Charles Robinson: Giants have Daniel Jones as #1 QB

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NYG need to go Gruden on their scouts. Should never get out of the building.

In comment 14393802 Klaatu said:

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Just googled him. Glad to see he is still alive and kicking. He was also in the Black Gestapo.

if it is I was set to be depressed about it, but then I started looking at all the gifs in response to that tweet and I laughed.

no worry about leaking that because NO ONE will jump the Giants at 6 to take him.

And I all likelihood they are indeed selecting a defender at 6...

how low the Giants rank the QBs in this draft.

but not their #! player that will be on defense MO. We will see.

cant get here soon enough ,how did we last till the second week of May in 2014 for the draft to come ? lol .This speculation is crazy

In comment 14393828 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:

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how low the Giants rank the QBs in this draft.

That's how I view it.

After Baker, Darnold, Rosen, Murray, and probably Haskins. Yep, I’m 100% confident in how they scout QB’s.

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Nice...

In comment 14393835 JonC said:

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In comment 14393828 Nomad Crow on the Madison said: Quote: how low the Giants rank the QBs in this draft. That's how I view it.

If I'm not mistaken, you said Lock was the top QB, as have other local beat guys. Has anything changed?

David's brother?

JPP of tight ends?

In comment 14393842 Nine-Tails said:

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In comment 14393835 JonC said: Quote: In comment 14393828 Nomad Crow on the Madison said: Quote: how low the Giants rank the QBs in this draft. That's how I view it. If I'm not mistaken, you said Lock was the top QB, as have other local beat guys. Has anything changed?

Lock info was a few weeks ago, I've heard nothing new. With their board now or close to it, rankings could change.

Patriots... please?

... the only possible positive is that the Giants have decided "all these QBs suck, the best one is Daniel Jones, so let's go ahead and get Josh Rosen."

with a third round grade, I'm good with this.

has to post on it.

and draft pundits ranked Mayfield 4th last year; now he's the consensus #1. A lot can change

In comment 14394016 csb said:

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and draft pundits ranked Mayfield 4th last year; now he's the consensus #1. A lot can change

I was a Mayfield guy and I'm pretty sick of this still being bandied about. The majority of NFL teams had Mayfield and Darnold as their top qb last year. Just because the dipshits in the media wanted to play up his "character concerns" and compare him to Johnny Football doesn't mean anything.

In comment 14393845 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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David's brother?

Wasn’t he that wow referee?

I haven't heard of Jones being connected strongly to any one team.. A lot of guessing/connecting the dots being done with Jones-Cutcliffe-Eli-Giants but nothing concrete.

Something to keep in mind, outside of the lies most are being fed, a lot of these beats like to make safe guesses this time of year to make it sound as if they are in the loop. And if you're guessing a QB for the Giants, Jones is the safe bet.

But again, I haven't heard his name tied strongly to any team. Only thing coming back on Jones is that he's the most scheme diverse and the safest of the QBs. That makes him a wildcard.

We all know what the narrative in the media will be.

The Eli comfort level.

In comment 14394147 Peppers said:

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I haven't heard of Jones being connected strongly to any one team.. A lot of guessing/connecting the dots being done with Jones-Cutcliffe-Eli-Giants but nothing concrete. Something to keep in mind, outside of the lies most are being fed, a lot of these beats like to make safe guesses this time of year to make it sound as if they are in the loop. And if you're guessing a QB for the Giants, Jones is the safe bet. But again, I haven't heard his name tied strongly to any team. Only thing coming back on Jones is that he's the most scheme diverse and the safest of the QBs. That makes him a wildcard.

Peppers, what have you heard about their interest in Lock?

In comment 14394180 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14394147 Peppers said: Quote: I haven't heard of Jones being connected strongly to any one team.. A lot of guessing/connecting the dots being done with Jones-Cutcliffe-Eli-Giants but nothing concrete. Something to keep in mind, outside of the lies most are being fed, a lot of these beats like to make safe guesses this time of year to make it sound as if they are in the loop. And if you're guessing a QB for the Giants, Jones is the safe bet. But again, I haven't heard his name tied strongly to any team. Only thing coming back on Jones is that he's the most scheme diverse and the safest of the QBs. That makes him a wildcard. Peppers, what have you heard about their interest in Lock?

I really don't hear his name all that much with the Giants. Denver seems to love him.

Wrong and wrong. He's 4th.

In comment 14394387 Joey in VA said:

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Wrong and wrong. He's 4th.

Murray, Lock, Haskins, Jones?

Especially not Charles Robinson. There probably 3 people in the entire org who know who the target is at 6 and that’s if they’ve even made a decision.

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In comment 14394016 csb said:

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and draft pundits ranked Mayfield 4th last year; now he's the consensus #1. A lot can change

Last year I had Mayfield as the clear cut #1 guy and deserving of a top 3 pick, months before the draft. My only concern was his personality in NYC could be combustible...

To me Darnold was a 15 - 20 pick, Rosen 25-32, Josh Allen a low #2, and Jackson not a premium pick.

This year I see Murray as a 20-25 pick, Haskins a 35-45, Lock a low #2, Jones a high 3 low 2...

We will see how their careers pan out, but as of now, I am sticking with my original impressions (perhaps dropping Rosen a round)...

I put him in the same category as Jones, high 3 low 2...

And I’m not saying I want the Giants to take him, but some of this Daniel Jones is the second coming of Dave Brown needs to stop. I’d easily take a chance on him in the latter half of round one. There is a lot to like.

- by all accounts he is a cerebral QB
- he might be the best pre snap read QB in the draft
- he has mobility but is not a scrambler
- good in the play action game
- has overcome adversity. Walked on to Duke
- played hurt this year
- probably had one of the worst supporting casts in college football

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Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB I don't think Daniel Jones is a Day 1 guy. And I get why a lot of "stats guys" are down on him, but I think they're being a little too hard on him and are missing some important pieces of context. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 1) Last season, among all 64 Power-5 teams, Duke ranked 20th in passing grade, 7th-worst in receiving grade, and 2nd-worst in pass-blocking grade. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 2) Last season Jones' receivers dropped 36 of his passes, which ranked third-worst in the Power-5. No QB lost more yards in air on dropped passes last year (525, 100+ more than the next-closest QB.) Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 3) Last season, among all Combine-invite QBs, Jones was pressured on 25.2% of his dropbacks (most), despite having the shortest time to throw on average (2.37s). For perspective, Murray was pressured on only 13.2% of his dropbacks while averaging 3.06 seconds to throw. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB Jones had brutal pass blocking - no time to throw, heavy and intense pressure in spite of that. He had receivers who dropped a lot of passes and struggled to get separation. With those factors accounted for, I actually like him as a late Day 2 guy. (Behind Grier, ahead of Lock.)

In comment 14394442 Emil said:

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And I’m not saying I want the Giants to take him, but some of this Daniel Jones is the second coming of Dave Brown needs to stop. I’d easily take a chance on him in the latter half of round one. There is a lot to like. - by all accounts he is a cerebral QB - he might be the best pre snap read QB in the draft - he has mobility but is not a scrambler - good in the play action game - has overcome adversity. Walked on to Duke - played hurt this year - probably had one of the worst supporting casts in college football Quote: Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB I don't think Daniel Jones is a Day 1 guy. And I get why a lot of "stats guys" are down on him, but I think they're being a little too hard on him and are missing some important pieces of context. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 1) Last season, among all 64 Power-5 teams, Duke ranked 20th in passing grade, 7th-worst in receiving grade, and 2nd-worst in pass-blocking grade. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 2) Last season Jones' receivers dropped 36 of his passes, which ranked third-worst in the Power-5. No QB lost more yards in air on dropped passes last year (525, 100+ more than the next-closest QB.) Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 3) Last season, among all Combine-invite QBs, Jones was pressured on 25.2% of his dropbacks (most), despite having the shortest time to throw on average (2.37s). For perspective, Murray was pressured on only 13.2% of his dropbacks while averaging 3.06 seconds to throw. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB Jones had brutal pass blocking - no time to throw, heavy and intense pressure in spite of that. He had receivers who dropped a lot of passes and struggled to get separation. With those factors accounted for, I actually like him as a late Day 2 guy. (Behind Grier, ahead of Lock.)

Gettleman spoke a lot about “adversity” in his presser with regards to QBs.

Jones experiences a heavy dose of adversity every time he dropped back to pass ... his OL/WRs were truly pathetic

In comment 14394442 Emil said:

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And I’m not saying I want the Giants to take him, but some of this Daniel Jones is the second coming of Dave Brown needs to stop. I’d easily take a chance on him in the latter half of round one. There is a lot to like. - by all accounts he is a cerebral QB - he might be the best pre snap read QB in the draft - he has mobility but is not a scrambler - good in the play action game - has overcome adversity. Walked on to Duke - played hurt this year - probably had one of the worst supporting casts in college football Quote: Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB I don't think Daniel Jones is a Day 1 guy. And I get why a lot of "stats guys" are down on him, but I think they're being a little too hard on him and are missing some important pieces of context. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 1) Last season, among all 64 Power-5 teams, Duke ranked 20th in passing grade, 7th-worst in receiving grade, and 2nd-worst in pass-blocking grade. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 2) Last season Jones' receivers dropped 36 of his passes, which ranked third-worst in the Power-5. No QB lost more yards in air on dropped passes last year (525, 100+ more than the next-closest QB.) Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 3) Last season, among all Combine-invite QBs, Jones was pressured on 25.2% of his dropbacks (most), despite having the shortest time to throw on average (2.37s). For perspective, Murray was pressured on only 13.2% of his dropbacks while averaging 3.06 seconds to throw. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB Jones had brutal pass blocking - no time to throw, heavy and intense pressure in spite of that. He had receivers who dropped a lot of passes and struggled to get separation. With those factors accounted for, I actually like him as a late Day 2 guy. (Behind Grier, ahead of Lock.)

Great post Emil. This deserves it's own thread. I would be happy with Jones but I would prefer with a trade up from 17 rather than at 6.

In comment 14394468 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14394442 Emil said: Quote: And I’m not saying I want the Giants to take him, but some of this Daniel Jones is the second coming of Dave Brown needs to stop. I’d easily take a chance on him in the latter half of round one. There is a lot to like. - by all accounts he is a cerebral QB - he might be the best pre snap read QB in the draft - he has mobility but is not a scrambler - good in the play action game - has overcome adversity. Walked on to Duke - played hurt this year - probably had one of the worst supporting casts in college football Quote: Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB I don't think Daniel Jones is a Day 1 guy. And I get why a lot of "stats guys" are down on him, but I think they're being a little too hard on him and are missing some important pieces of context. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 1) Last season, among all 64 Power-5 teams, Duke ranked 20th in passing grade, 7th-worst in receiving grade, and 2nd-worst in pass-blocking grade. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 2) Last season Jones' receivers dropped 36 of his passes, which ranked third-worst in the Power-5. No QB lost more yards in air on dropped passes last year (525, 100+ more than the next-closest QB.) Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 3) Last season, among all Combine-invite QBs, Jones was pressured on 25.2% of his dropbacks (most), despite having the shortest time to throw on average (2.37s). For perspective, Murray was pressured on only 13.2% of his dropbacks while averaging 3.06 seconds to throw. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB Jones had brutal pass blocking - no time to throw, heavy and intense pressure in spite of that. He had receivers who dropped a lot of passes and struggled to get separation. With those factors accounted for, I actually like him as a late Day 2 guy. (Behind Grier, ahead of Lock.) Great post Emil. This deserves it's own thread. I would be happy with Jones but I would prefer with a trade up from 17 rather than at 6.

Jay, I don’t disagree with the points in this points. However it should be noted that the person making the points still doesn’t view Jones as a 1st round prospect. Trading up from 17 for him seems steep

In comment 14394442 Emil said:

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And I’m not saying I want the Giants to take him, but some of this Daniel Jones is the second coming of Dave Brown needs to stop. I’d easily take a chance on him in the latter half of round one. There is a lot to like. - by all accounts he is a cerebral QB - he might be the best pre snap read QB in the draft - he has mobility but is not a scrambler - good in the play action game - has overcome adversity. Walked on to Duke - played hurt this year - probably had one of the worst supporting casts in college football Quote: Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB I don't think Daniel Jones is a Day 1 guy. And I get why a lot of "stats guys" are down on him, but I think they're being a little too hard on him and are missing some important pieces of context. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 1) Last season, among all 64 Power-5 teams, Duke ranked 20th in passing grade, 7th-worst in receiving grade, and 2nd-worst in pass-blocking grade. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 2) Last season Jones' receivers dropped 36 of his passes, which ranked third-worst in the Power-5. No QB lost more yards in air on dropped passes last year (525, 100+ more than the next-closest QB.) Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 3) Last season, among all Combine-invite QBs, Jones was pressured on 25.2% of his dropbacks (most), despite having the shortest time to throw on average (2.37s). For perspective, Murray was pressured on only 13.2% of his dropbacks while averaging 3.06 seconds to throw. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB Jones had brutal pass blocking - no time to throw, heavy and intense pressure in spite of that. He had receivers who dropped a lot of passes and struggled to get separation. With those factors accounted for, I actually like him as a late Day 2 guy. (Behind Grier, ahead of Lock.)

Stop with facts. I watched a youtube video 2 months ago, I know what I'm talking about.

In comment 14394442 Emil said:

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And I’m not saying I want the Giants to take him, but some of this Daniel Jones is the second coming of Dave Brown needs to stop. I’d easily take a chance on him in the latter half of round one. There is a lot to like. - by all accounts he is a cerebral QB - he might be the best pre snap read QB in the draft - he has mobility but is not a scrambler - good in the play action game - has overcome adversity. Walked on to Duke - played hurt this year - probably had one of the worst supporting casts in college football Quote: Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB I don't think Daniel Jones is a Day 1 guy. And I get why a lot of "stats guys" are down on him, but I think they're being a little too hard on him and are missing some important pieces of context. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 1) Last season, among all 64 Power-5 teams, Duke ranked 20th in passing grade, 7th-worst in receiving grade, and 2nd-worst in pass-blocking grade. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 2) Last season Jones' receivers dropped 36 of his passes, which ranked third-worst in the Power-5. No QB lost more yards in air on dropped passes last year (525, 100+ more than the next-closest QB.) Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 3) Last season, among all Combine-invite QBs, Jones was pressured on 25.2% of his dropbacks (most), despite having the shortest time to throw on average (2.37s). For perspective, Murray was pressured on only 13.2% of his dropbacks while averaging 3.06 seconds to throw. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB Jones had brutal pass blocking - no time to throw, heavy and intense pressure in spite of that. He had receivers who dropped a lot of passes and struggled to get separation. With those factors accounted for, I actually like him as a late Day 2 guy. (Behind Grier, ahead of Lock.)

Omg we’re already starting with the talent level excuses for his shitty performance? This really is the past 6 yrs all over again.

Haskins had too good of a team, Jones did not....

Haskin has no speed and Jones suprisingly has more than I expected.

But as arms go.....neither are special. Lock is only one with a special arm. Not thrilled with their windup

I would go Lock....but will understand Jones. Concern about Haskins

My posts last year were pretty clear. I don’t have Jones a number one either this year and I highly doubt the Giants do either. Believe it when you see it.

In comment 14394507 Josh in the City said:

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In comment 14394442 Emil said: Quote: And I’m not saying I want the Giants to take him, but some of this Daniel Jones is the second coming of Dave Brown needs to stop. I’d easily take a chance on him in the latter half of round one. There is a lot to like. - by all accounts he is a cerebral QB - he might be the best pre snap read QB in the draft - he has mobility but is not a scrambler - good in the play action game - has overcome adversity. Walked on to Duke - played hurt this year - probably had one of the worst supporting casts in college football Quote: Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB I don't think Daniel Jones is a Day 1 guy. And I get why a lot of "stats guys" are down on him, but I think they're being a little too hard on him and are missing some important pieces of context. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 1) Last season, among all 64 Power-5 teams, Duke ranked 20th in passing grade, 7th-worst in receiving grade, and 2nd-worst in pass-blocking grade. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 2) Last season Jones' receivers dropped 36 of his passes, which ranked third-worst in the Power-5. No QB lost more yards in air on dropped passes last year (525, 100+ more than the next-closest QB.) Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 3) Last season, among all Combine-invite QBs, Jones was pressured on 25.2% of his dropbacks (most), despite having the shortest time to throw on average (2.37s). For perspective, Murray was pressured on only 13.2% of his dropbacks while averaging 3.06 seconds to throw. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB Jones had brutal pass blocking - no time to throw, heavy and intense pressure in spite of that. He had receivers who dropped a lot of passes and struggled to get separation. With those factors accounted for, I actually like him as a late Day 2 guy. (Behind Grier, ahead of Lock.) Omg we’re already starting with the talent level excuses for his shitty performance? This really is the past 6 yrs all over again.

Do you ever stop whining?

In comment 14394602 McNally's_Nuts said:

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In comment 14394507 Josh in the City said: Quote: In comment 14394442 Emil said: Quote: And I’m not saying I want the Giants to take him, but some of this Daniel Jones is the second coming of Dave Brown needs to stop. I’d easily take a chance on him in the latter half of round one. There is a lot to like. - by all accounts he is a cerebral QB - he might be the best pre snap read QB in the draft - he has mobility but is not a scrambler - good in the play action game - has overcome adversity. Walked on to Duke - played hurt this year - probably had one of the worst supporting casts in college football Quote: Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB I don't think Daniel Jones is a Day 1 guy. And I get why a lot of "stats guys" are down on him, but I think they're being a little too hard on him and are missing some important pieces of context. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 1) Last season, among all 64 Power-5 teams, Duke ranked 20th in passing grade, 7th-worst in receiving grade, and 2nd-worst in pass-blocking grade. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 2) Last season Jones' receivers dropped 36 of his passes, which ranked third-worst in the Power-5. No QB lost more yards in air on dropped passes last year (525, 100+ more than the next-closest QB.) Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB 3) Last season, among all Combine-invite QBs, Jones was pressured on 25.2% of his dropbacks (most), despite having the shortest time to throw on average (2.37s). For perspective, Murray was pressured on only 13.2% of his dropbacks while averaging 3.06 seconds to throw. Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB Jones had brutal pass blocking - no time to throw, heavy and intense pressure in spite of that. He had receivers who dropped a lot of passes and struggled to get separation. With those factors accounted for, I actually like him as a late Day 2 guy. (Behind Grier, ahead of Lock.) Omg we’re already starting with the talent level excuses for his shitty performance? This really is the past 6 yrs all over again. Do you ever stop whining?

+1

Whining when this team stop making decisions worth whining about. Not all of us are just going to pretend the last 6 yrs have been roses and sunshine. And taking Jones in the first round would be even dumber than passing on Darnold last yr for a RB.

At #17 let alone #6.

Haskins has a quick release and a powerful arm. Dwayne has impeccable timing with his receivers and he is remarkably accurate. Haskins can throw the ball into tight windows. Dwayne is a natural passer and he usually reads defenses superbly.

There are questions about Haskins. He ran poorly at the NFL Combine, and Dwayne struggled against Penn State and Michigan State when he didn't have a clean pocket.

Haskins played 1 year of college football and he was extraordinary. I think he will improve his conditioning and mobility. Dwayne is a pure passer and he has a high ceiling.

To draft a QB at SIX ....