Wonderlic scores for 2019 quarterbacks

Has anyone ever seen any data that shows any correspondence between these scores and how the QB’s careers ended up in terms of seasons played, Super Bowls, etc.?

It would be kind of a cool thing to see a study of.

In comment 14394076 eric2425ny said:

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Has anyone ever seen any data that shows any correspondence between these scores and how the QB’s careers ended up in terms of seasons played, Super Bowls, etc.? It would be kind of a cool thing to see a study of.

I think there was something that said scores below a certain number had some level of correlation with failure. But higher than that point did not have any correlation with success.

Brady got a 33 ....

Eli 39
Peyton 28 ???

In comment 14394076 eric2425ny said:

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Has anyone ever seen any data that shows any correspondence between these scores and how the QB’s careers ended up in terms of seasons played, Super Bowls, etc.? It would be kind of a cool thing to see a study of.

I don't know if a study has been done, but correlation is still loose.

Guys like Vince Young and Jeff George had abysmal Wonderlic scores (10 or below). McNabb had a 14. Bradshaw, Jim Kelly, Randall Cunningham and McNair had a 15.

On the high end, guys like Baine Gabbert had a 42. Ryan Nassib a 41. Carson Wentz and Alex Smith had a 40.

A pretty complete list is linked. A punter got a perfect score....
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from way back when?

the wonderlic is not everything but it can be a scale tipper

I have no idea if they actually correlate to success or not, but I usually find it a little alarming when it's extremely low, like in the single digits.

Comparison to other top QBs:
Russel Wilson: 28
Eli: 39
Peyton: 28
Goff: 36
Brady: 33
Rodgers: 35
Big Ben: 25
Rivers: 25
Matt Ryan: 32
Luck: 37
Stafford: 38
Cam: 21
Drew Brees: 28

In comment 14394096 Steve in ATL said:

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from way back when?

already answered thanks

In comment 14394098 crackerjack465 said:

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I have no idea if they actually correlate to success or not, but I usually find it a little alarming when it's extremely low, like in the single digits. Comparison to other top QBs: Russel Wilson: 28 Eli: 39 Peyton: 28 Goff: 36 Brady: 33 Rodgers: 35 Big Ben: 25 Rivers: 25 Matt Ryan: 32 Luck: 37 Stafford: 38 Cam: 21 Drew Brees: 28

Apologies, Rivers was a 30.

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Drivers Ed three times.

Is a flat earther. I don’t trust these scores.

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Considering Eli's score was so close to Jones' it has to be reassuring to the front office that he checks the intelligence box.

there’s any proven direct correlation but there doesn’t seem to be many non-bust QBs below a 10. And there’s busts with very high scores.

In comment 14394131 eric2425ny said:

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Drivers Ed three times.

But his 3-cone (traffic cones that is) was fast.

was around 15. And Favre may have been around 20.

In comment 14394148 darren in pdx said:

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there’s any proven direct correlation but there doesn’t seem to be many non-bust QBs below a 10. And there’s busts with very high scores.

Vince Evans was below a 10. Not a bust. Not a star. In the middle

Not a mental midget, but below the threshold of what most NFL teams consider acceptable at the position.

even Kyler's 20 is good enough. The only red flags are guys with super low scores (I think Vince Young got like a 6?).

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was around 15. And Favre may have been around 20.

Marino, lol, did anyone ever see the outtake of him flipping out over a misread on Inside the NFL year’s ago?

Enjoy...
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In comment 14394076 eric2425ny said:

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Has anyone ever seen any data that shows any correspondence between these scores and how the QB’s careers ended up in terms of seasons played, Super Bowls, etc.? It would be kind of a cool thing to see a study of.

It's a baseline thing. It doesn't really matter past a certain point but I think 20 is the minimum. I think Marino and Bradshaw (shockers) are the only outliers below that threshold.

are a few below 20.

McNabb and David Garrard had a 14. McNair a 15. Vinny T had a 17 along with Jeff Blake. Culpepper had an 18

In comment 14394171 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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are a few below 20. McNabb and David Garrard had a 14. McNair a 15. Vinny T had a 17 along with Jeff Blake. Culpepper had an 18

It might be 15 then. Or it was that they were the only HOF QBs below 20. It's something I read in the past but my takeaway was that they use it to establish a minimum baseline before downgrading.

but another kick in the nuts about Cedric Jones. He scored a 19

In comment 14394189 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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but another kick in the nuts about Cedric Jones. He scored a 19

Name as infamous as R.... H.......

In comment 14394189 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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but another kick in the nuts about Cedric Jones. He scored a 19

There is a kid in the draft this year who is blind in one eye... Made me think of Cedric Jones.

I'd rather have a smart guy than a dumb guy.

In comment 14394169 AcesUp said:

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In comment 14394076 eric2425ny said: Quote: Has anyone ever seen any data that shows any correspondence between these scores and how the QB’s careers ended up in terms of seasons played, Super Bowls, etc.? It would be kind of a cool thing to see a study of. It's a baseline thing. It doesn't really matter past a certain point but I think 20 is the minimum. I think Marino and Bradshaw (shockers) are the only outliers below that threshold.

was the wonderlick treated the same way back then?

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is 26.

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Is a flat earther. I don’t trust these scores.

That’s fascinating if true. I would detest any Giants QB that publicly admitted to something so irreversibly stupid

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Penis size (in mm)

Jonah Williams got a 39
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In comment 14394098 crackerjack465 said:

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I have no idea if they actually correlate to success or not, but I usually find it a little alarming when it's extremely low, like in the single digits. Comparison to other top QBs: Russel Wilson: 28 Eli: 39 Peyton: 28 Goff: 36 Brady: 33 Rodgers: 35 Big Ben: 25 Rivers: 25 Matt Ryan: 32 Luck: 37 Stafford: 38 Cam: 21 Drew Brees: 28

Eli's score vs Peyton's is pretty interesting. The Wonderlic is saying Eli is significantly smarter than Peyton. In actual football though?

IIRC there was a story Eli told one time where he and Peyton were breaking down film of the 2011 NFC Championship - the game where Eli gutted out a win in the face of a ferocious Niners D to get us to the Superbowl. Eli said that Peyton pointed out 3 touchdowns that Eli missed in that game. He said "Peyton just sees the game differently from everyone else." That's right - put Peyton in that game and we actually blow the Niners out.

The Wonderlic doesn't mean a whole lot unless you score really low.

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In comment 14394098 crackerjack465 said:That's right - put Peyton in that game and we actually blow the Niners out.

Peyton doesn't make those throws getting hit like Eli was that game.

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He said "Peyton just sees the game differently from everyone else." That's right - put Peyton in that game and we actually blow the Niners out. The Wonderlic doesn't mean a whole lot unless you score really low.

ON film is one thing, on the field with those steroid fueled monsters chasing you down and beating you to death? Another thing altogether.

No one thought it was important

Including the players. They kind of half assed it. Today they prepare for it. A bad score today is a red flag given the increasing complexity of the pro game.

that determine how good you will be, it’s the front line that protects them is what matters, imo. Product of the system definitely helps. Any Qb with low scores would be successful with the Pats under BB..

Sebastian Janikowski got a 9

Smart, focused, accurate passer and good enough NFL arm. I think he's an after-thought for most teams. The only team that I fear grabbing him before the Giants is the Pats.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/acc/2018/06/22/nc-state-qb-ryan-finley-nfl-draft/722612002/

I understand he's the highest Wonderlic but you don't need your QB to be in MENSA, you just need him to not be a fucking idiot. Above the dummy threshold. We're not looking for him to get Aunt Becky's daughter into college, you just want him to know where to throw when the defense is showing Cover 3.

You can't take away anything from guys like Jim Kelly's score because back then they didn't take that seriously at all. Kelly is on record that he pretty much blew it off. He didn't want to get drafted high or to a cold weather team. Ended up in the worst cold weather football town of all, lol.

In comment 14394554 AcesUp said:

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I understand he's the highest Wonderlic but you don't need your QB to be in MENSA, you just need him to not be a fucking idiot. Above the dummy threshold. We're not looking for him to get Aunt Becky's daughter into college, you just want him to know where to throw when the defense is showing Cover 3.

Wonderlic is not just a measure of intelligence but on how quickly and accurately you think. For instance, they make sure to let you know its timed so that is another element to challenge you. The questions are mostly easy, but some can make you second guess the obvious answer and then stumble on the question. Conversely, if you rush to the answer on a question with tricky language, it can show that you are maybe too hasty a thinker and prone to mistakes.

The test is best described as a measurement of decisivness. They have a bar (I guess I heard its 20) that is generally viewed as poor and an average of 25. Finley's score and profile as a player intrigues me, but Jones athletic ability combined with his score has led me to feel he is a nice get with our 2nd pick in the 1st.

Didn't he score 100 % .....

In comment 14395731 Simms said:

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Didn't he score 100 % .....

Fitzgerald had an 18.

Ryan Fitzpatrick had a 48. But I think a perfect score is 50

Especially not a QB. Granted, maybe it wasn't authentic but I got a 41 without trying too hard. It's an incredibly easy test.

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Especially not a QB. Granted, maybe it wasn't authentic but I got a 41 without trying too hard. It's an incredibly easy test.

And it's not me bragging. I don't think I'm some sort of genius or anything.