During my workout tonight I was listening to Sirius and their take on the QBs. For those who heard the program please feel free to add or correct anything I believe I heard:
Polian on Jones: Feels DJ has all the tools. His only concern is his body at 6’ 5” and 220
Brady Quinn: He’s the most pro ready QB coming out of this class
Pat Kirwan: Yes Jones had a 17-19 record, but he watched him live in several games and said he had no support, was getting killed but still makes all the throws
During my workout tonight I was listening to Sirius and their take on the QBs. For those who heard the program please feel free to add or correct anything I believe I heard:
Polian on Jones: Feels DJ has all the tools. His only concern is his body at 6’ 5” and 220
Brady Quinn: He’s the most pro ready QB coming out of this class
Pat Kirwan: Yes Jones had a 17-19 record, but he watched him live in several games and said he had no support, was getting killed but still makes all the throws
That’s all I got. Shower time.
What do these guys know? A 400-lb guy living in his mother's basement says Jones stinks.
that a qb only sucked in college bc his supporting cast sucked is such a stupid argument. You’re basically saying “maybe he’d be good if he had better player around him so let’s risk our future and waste a 1st rd pick on a hunch.” He was horrible in college. Horrible during senior bowl week. And average at best at the combine.
that a qb only sucked in college bc his supporting cast sucked is such a stupid argument. You’re basically saying “maybe he’d be good if he had better player around him so let’s risk our future and waste a 1st rd pick on a hunch.” He was horrible in college. Horrible during senior bowl week. And average at best at the combine.
He was so horrible they named him MVP of the Senior Bowl...
that a qb only sucked in college bc his supporting cast sucked is such a stupid argument. You’re basically saying “maybe he’d be good if he had better player around him so let’s risk our future and waste a 1st rd pick on a hunch.” He was horrible in college. Horrible during senior bowl week. And average at best at the combine.
This is just idiotic. Horrible in college? LOL. You're simply a clueless internet football fan. Stop drinking the anti Daniel Jones kool-aid. Oh and Daniel Jones won the Senior Bowl MVP award. Soooo, you are really clueless:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001013589/article/daniel-jones-claims-mvp-as-north-wins-senior-bowl
a concern in terms of body? As long as he's athletic, which as I understand he is, what does that mean? That body sounds like a prototypical QB with maybe 10 xtra lbs, if anything?
that a qb only sucked in college bc his supporting cast sucked is such a stupid argument. You’re basically saying “maybe he’d be good if he had better player around him so let’s risk our future and waste a 1st rd pick on a hunch.” He was horrible in college. Horrible during senior bowl week. And average at best at the combine.
Are you going to post this exact same take in every single Jones thread?
In comment 14394501 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:
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In comment 14394492 Josh in the City said:
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that a qb only sucked in college bc his supporting cast sucked is such a stupid argument. You’re basically saying “maybe he’d be good if he had better player around him so let’s risk our future and waste a 1st rd pick on a hunch.” He was horrible in college. Horrible during senior bowl week. And average at best at the combine.
This is just idiotic. Horrible in college? LOL. You're simply a clueless internet football fan. Stop drinking the anti Daniel Jones kool-aid. Oh and Daniel Jones won the Senior Bowl MVP award. Soooo, you are really clueless:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001013589/article/daniel-jones-claims-mvp-as-north-wins-senior-bowl
a concern in terms of body? As long as he's athletic, which as I understand he is, what does that mean? That body sounds like a prototypical QB with maybe 10 xtra lbs, if anything?
More nitpicky BS ... I saw something in another scouting report about his calves or some nonsense
He’ll sit behind Eli in an NFL weight lifting program and this will be a nonissue. He’s already becoming the media and half of BBI’s favorite whipping boy, so he sure looks on track to be Eli’s heir apparent on and off the field.
Fair enough. I'm not saying he is or isn't the guy Â
Like Kyler being a big Q at 5'9" but at 5'10" he's a top prospect. I feel like any teams that think this way are awful at scouting. He's a legit QB b/c of his talents & football IQ etc, or not. Of all things 1", especially at an extreme being so short, clearly cannot make THAT much difference. If 5'9" is such an issue, he should be off your list at that height. (In reality, I believe this to be a media creation, but still...)
So he's a little slighter than Peyton, with room to fill out his frame.
I think physically, he's the prototype. Maybe not the arm, but does he make all the throws? I'll wait to see Sy's QB analysis coming around Tuesday or Wednesday.
this piece of dog shit franchise would pick another fucking Duke quarterback.
What if we picked a trash QB from USC like Sam Darnold. Can you imagine that? After all of the trash USC QBs throughout their history. Can you imagine having the guts to take one?
that a qb only sucked in college bc his supporting cast sucked is such a stupid argument. You’re basically saying “maybe he’d be good if he had better player around him so let’s risk our future and waste a 1st rd pick on a hunch.” He was horrible in college. Horrible during senior bowl week. And average at best at the combine.
He was so horrible they named him MVP of the Senior Bowl...
You do realize that game is meaningless, right? It's on par with a high school JV football game.
The practices are the showcase. The coaches and scouts run the practices and then leave Friday or the Saturday morning before the game. And by many accounts, Jones wasn't very consistent or impressive in those. I actually watched a lot of the coverage by NFLN and found Jones to be what he typically is - a milquetoast QB.
However, isn’t what made Eli so great in college was that he had very little supporting cast and made everyone better. I know there is a difference between ole miss and duke level of no supporting cast but Eli had the “It” factor regardless of his supporting cast. I haven’t heard really if Jones has that special down 4, 2 min to go to win the game with a touchdown ability.
that a qb only sucked in college bc his supporting cast sucked is such a stupid argument. You’re basically saying “maybe he’d be good if he had better player around him so let’s risk our future and waste a 1st rd pick on a hunch.” He was horrible in college. Horrible during senior bowl week. And average at best at the combine.
He was so horrible they named him MVP of the Senior Bowl...
You do realize that game is meaningless, right? It's on par with a high school JV football game.
The practices are the showcase. The coaches and scouts run the practices and then leave Friday or the Saturday morning before the game. And by many accounts, Jones wasn't very consistent or impressive in those. I actually watched a lot of the coverage by NFLN and found Jones to be what he typically is - a milquetoast QB.
It makes no difference. Anyone who watched the game knows he didn't even play well in it. He could have been picked two or three times in it. I'm not treating that game as gospel, but he did not play well in the game.
If you watch him play, you know he can't spin it the way Haskins or Lock can. Now, Lock can't read Ds, so that's another story. But just watch the combine, and you can see the way Haskins throws the ball and the pop he generates. Jones just does not have that.
If the Giants believe this guy is the best QB in this class, they have no idea how to scout the position. I don't care if anyone values my opinion. Even more troubling may be the fact that the Giants do not care if anyone knows the information they should keep close to the vest. If JT's comments are really true - that they don't care about it - the front office should be fired in its entirety for incompetence.
And if the asshats are getting information this easily, it's probably spreading to people in the know as well. If the Giants really love Jones, someone is just going to leapfrog them for him if they feel the same way. I would not have a problem with that, because I do not like Jones. But the theory remains the same: the information should not be readily available to those outside the organization.
that a qb only sucked in college bc his supporting cast sucked is such a stupid argument. You’re basically saying “maybe he’d be good if he had better player around him so let’s risk our future and waste a 1st rd pick on a hunch.” He was horrible in college. Horrible during senior bowl week. And average at best at the combine.
He was so horrible they named him MVP of the Senior Bowl...
You do realize that game is meaningless, right? It's on par with a high school JV football game.
The practices are the showcase. The coaches and scouts run the practices and then leave Friday or the Saturday morning before the game. And by many accounts, Jones wasn't very consistent or impressive in those. I actually watched a lot of the coverage by NFLN and found Jones to be what he typically is - a milquetoast QB.
It makes no difference. Anyone who watched the game knows he didn't even play well in it. He could have been picked two or three times in it. I'm not treating that game as gospel, but he did not play well in the game.
If you watch him play, you know he can't spin it the way Haskins or Lock can. Now, Lock can't read Ds, so that's another story. But just watch the combine, and you can see the way Haskins throws the ball and the pop he generates. Jones just does not have that.
If the Giants believe this guy is the best QB in this class, they have no idea how to scout the position. I don't care if anyone values my opinion. Even more troubling may be the fact that the Giants do not care if anyone knows the information they should keep close to the vest. If JT's comments are really true - that they don't care about it - the front office should be fired in its entirety for incompetence.
And if the asshats are getting information this easily, it's probably spreading to people in the know as well. If the Giants really love Jones, someone is just going to leapfrog them for him if they feel the same way. I would not have a problem with that, because I do not like Jones. But the theory remains the same: the information should not be readily available to those outside the organization.
So he doesn't generate as many RPMs on the ball as Haskins? So what? The name of the game is accuracy, anticipation, and intelligence.
Here's the Wonderlic scores that were leaked out yesterday:
1. Ryan Finley 43
2. Gardner Minshew 42
3. Daniel Jones 37
4. Easton Stick 32
5. Clayton Thorson 32
6. Will Grier 30
7. Brett Rypien 28
8. Jarrett Stidham 27
9. Drew Lock 26
10. Tyree Jackson 25
11. Dwayne Haskins 25
12. Kyler Murray 20
These are the NFL players with the highest wonderlic scores in the NFL right now:
1) Ryan Fitzpatrick 48
2) Carson Wentz 40
3) Alex Smith 40
4) Eli Manning 39
5) Andrew Luck 37
6) Aaron Rodgers 35
7) Luke Kuechly 34
8) Kirk Cousins 33
9) Tom Brady 33
His intelligence is at an elite level. All that brain power to pick apart defenses. Dwayne Haskin's wonderlic score is mediocre. There's 3 Super bowl winners on that list (I won't include Carson Wentz).
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During my workout tonight I was listening to Sirius and their take on the QBs. For those who heard the program please feel free to add or correct anything I believe I heard:
Polian on Jones: Feels DJ has all the tools. His only concern is his body at 6’ 5” and 220
Brady Quinn: He’s the most pro ready QB coming out of this class
Pat Kirwan: Yes Jones had a 17-19 record, but he watched him live in several games and said he had no support, was getting killed but still makes all the throws
That’s all I got. Shower time.
Oh, I just remembered another point made by Kirwan, I believe. He said the 4.7 (?) timed speed at combine for Jones was BS, he felt he’s closer to 4.5
will be that once again the entire NFL knows who they want to pick. Is there no way to shut up Chris Mara?
I thought the whole NFL knows we are drafting Haskins? Wait no, its Allen. Wait no its Hockenson.
Come on man, we've been "mocked" to take about 5 different players in just the last week alone. Each day we have "leaks" about the different player the Giants like. This is complaining just to complain.
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will be that once again the entire NFL knows who they want to pick. Is there no way to shut up Chris Mara?
I thought the whole NFL knows we are drafting Haskins? Wait no, its Allen. Wait no its Hockenson.
Come on man, we've been "mocked" to take about 5 different players in just the last week alone. Each day we have "leaks" about the different player the Giants like. This is complaining just to complain.
However, isn’t what made Eli so great in college was that he had very little supporting cast and made everyone better. I know there is a difference between ole miss and duke level of no supporting cast but Eli had the “It” factor regardless of his supporting cast. I haven’t heard really if Jones has that special down 4, 2 min to go to win the game with a touchdown ability.
This is what I don't get. Yes, Eli elevated his team at Ole Miss. Duke won 8 games last year and made a Bowl. People talk like they went 0-12. They probably would've without DJ. And Josh - saying he sucked at Duke? You're exposing yourself as someone who shouldn't be taken seriously.
Anyone that has a basic understanding of statistics and standard deviation could have seen that right away, even taking into account they are football players. I think the average score is a 25.
Wonderlic scores are very misleading. There is no correlation between a player's score and his NFL success. Wonderlic tests book smarts. It is not an IQ test.
09/01/18 Missouri vs Tenn.-Martin W 51-14
Drew Lock,19-25 with 4 TD's against UT-Martin as Jerry blames it on Eli.
I think it's worth a few more spots on the draft board.
Polian on Jones: Feels DJ has all the tools. His only concern is his body at 6’ 5” and 220
Brady Quinn: He’s the most pro ready QB coming out of this class
Pat Kirwan: Yes Jones had a 17-19 record, but he watched him live in several games and said he had no support, was getting killed but still makes all the throws
That’s all I got. Shower time.
Polian on Jones: Feels DJ has all the tools. His only concern is his body at 6’ 5” and 220
Brady Quinn: He’s the most pro ready QB coming out of this class
Pat Kirwan: Yes Jones had a 17-19 record, but he watched him live in several games and said he had no support, was getting killed but still makes all the throws
That’s all I got. Shower time.
What do these guys know? A 400-lb guy living in his mother's basement says Jones stinks.
He was so horrible they named him MVP of the Senior Bowl...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001013589/article/daniel-jones-claims-mvp-as-north-wins-senior-bowl
Are you going to post this exact same take in every single Jones thread?
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that a qb only sucked in college bc his supporting cast sucked is such a stupid argument. You’re basically saying “maybe he’d be good if he had better player around him so let’s risk our future and waste a 1st rd pick on a hunch.” He was horrible in college. Horrible during senior bowl week. And average at best at the combine.
This is just idiotic. Horrible in college? LOL. You're simply a clueless internet football fan. Stop drinking the anti Daniel Jones kool-aid. Oh and Daniel Jones won the Senior Bowl MVP award. Soooo, you are really clueless:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001013589/article/daniel-jones-claims-mvp-as-north-wins-senior-bowl
Nooooope. Posted this in the other Daniel jones thread so I’ll just link it here. Senior bowl mvp means shit.
Daniel Jones sucked during senior bowl week - ( New Window )
More nitpicky BS ... I saw something in another scouting report about his calves or some nonsense
He’ll sit behind Eli in an NFL weight lifting program and this will be a nonissue. He’s already becoming the media and half of BBI’s favorite whipping boy, so he sure looks on track to be Eli’s heir apparent on and off the field.
Like Kyler being a big Q at 5'9" but at 5'10" he's a top prospect. I feel like any teams that think this way are awful at scouting. He's a legit QB b/c of his talents & football IQ etc, or not. Of all things 1", especially at an extreme being so short, clearly cannot make THAT much difference. If 5'9" is such an issue, he should be off your list at that height. (In reality, I believe this to be a media creation, but still...)
So he's a little slighter than Peyton, with room to fill out his frame.
I think physically, he's the prototype. Maybe not the arm, but does he make all the throws? I'll wait to see Sy's QB analysis coming around Tuesday or Wednesday.
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that a qb only sucked in college bc his supporting cast sucked is such a stupid argument. You’re basically saying “maybe he’d be good if he had better player around him so let’s risk our future and waste a 1st rd pick on a hunch.” He was horrible in college. Horrible during senior bowl week. And average at best at the combine.
He was so horrible they named him MVP of the Senior Bowl...
You do realize that game is meaningless, right? It's on par with a high school JV football game.
The practices are the showcase. The coaches and scouts run the practices and then leave Friday or the Saturday morning before the game. And by many accounts, Jones wasn't very consistent or impressive in those. I actually watched a lot of the coverage by NFLN and found Jones to be what he typically is - a milquetoast QB.
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In comment 14394492 Josh in the City said:
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that a qb only sucked in college bc his supporting cast sucked is such a stupid argument. You’re basically saying “maybe he’d be good if he had better player around him so let’s risk our future and waste a 1st rd pick on a hunch.” He was horrible in college. Horrible during senior bowl week. And average at best at the combine.
He was so horrible they named him MVP of the Senior Bowl...
You do realize that game is meaningless, right? It's on par with a high school JV football game.
The practices are the showcase. The coaches and scouts run the practices and then leave Friday or the Saturday morning before the game. And by many accounts, Jones wasn't very consistent or impressive in those. I actually watched a lot of the coverage by NFLN and found Jones to be what he typically is - a milquetoast QB.
It makes no difference. Anyone who watched the game knows he didn't even play well in it. He could have been picked two or three times in it. I'm not treating that game as gospel, but he did not play well in the game.
If you watch him play, you know he can't spin it the way Haskins or Lock can. Now, Lock can't read Ds, so that's another story. But just watch the combine, and you can see the way Haskins throws the ball and the pop he generates. Jones just does not have that.
If the Giants believe this guy is the best QB in this class, they have no idea how to scout the position. I don't care if anyone values my opinion. Even more troubling may be the fact that the Giants do not care if anyone knows the information they should keep close to the vest. If JT's comments are really true - that they don't care about it - the front office should be fired in its entirety for incompetence.
And if the asshats are getting information this easily, it's probably spreading to people in the know as well. If the Giants really love Jones, someone is just going to leapfrog them for him if they feel the same way. I would not have a problem with that, because I do not like Jones. But the theory remains the same: the information should not be readily available to those outside the organization.
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In comment 14394492 Josh in the City said:
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that a qb only sucked in college bc his supporting cast sucked is such a stupid argument. You’re basically saying “maybe he’d be good if he had better player around him so let’s risk our future and waste a 1st rd pick on a hunch.” He was horrible in college. Horrible during senior bowl week. And average at best at the combine.
He was so horrible they named him MVP of the Senior Bowl...
You do realize that game is meaningless, right? It's on par with a high school JV football game.
The practices are the showcase. The coaches and scouts run the practices and then leave Friday or the Saturday morning before the game. And by many accounts, Jones wasn't very consistent or impressive in those. I actually watched a lot of the coverage by NFLN and found Jones to be what he typically is - a milquetoast QB.
It makes no difference. Anyone who watched the game knows he didn't even play well in it. He could have been picked two or three times in it. I'm not treating that game as gospel, but he did not play well in the game.
If you watch him play, you know he can't spin it the way Haskins or Lock can. Now, Lock can't read Ds, so that's another story. But just watch the combine, and you can see the way Haskins throws the ball and the pop he generates. Jones just does not have that.
If the Giants believe this guy is the best QB in this class, they have no idea how to scout the position. I don't care if anyone values my opinion. Even more troubling may be the fact that the Giants do not care if anyone knows the information they should keep close to the vest. If JT's comments are really true - that they don't care about it - the front office should be fired in its entirety for incompetence.
And if the asshats are getting information this easily, it's probably spreading to people in the know as well. If the Giants really love Jones, someone is just going to leapfrog them for him if they feel the same way. I would not have a problem with that, because I do not like Jones. But the theory remains the same: the information should not be readily available to those outside the organization.
Here's the Wonderlic scores that were leaked out yesterday:
1. Ryan Finley 43
2. Gardner Minshew 42
3. Daniel Jones 37
4. Easton Stick 32
5. Clayton Thorson 32
6. Will Grier 30
7. Brett Rypien 28
8. Jarrett Stidham 27
9. Drew Lock 26
10. Tyree Jackson 25
11. Dwayne Haskins 25
12. Kyler Murray 20
These are the NFL players with the highest wonderlic scores in the NFL right now:
1) Ryan Fitzpatrick 48
2) Carson Wentz 40
3) Alex Smith 40
4) Eli Manning 39
5) Andrew Luck 37
6) Aaron Rodgers 35
7) Luke Kuechly 34
8) Kirk Cousins 33
9) Tom Brady 33
His intelligence is at an elite level. All that brain power to pick apart defenses. Dwayne Haskin's wonderlic score is mediocre. There's 3 Super bowl winners on that list (I won't include Carson Wentz).
Polian on Jones: Feels DJ has all the tools. His only concern is his body at 6’ 5” and 220
Brady Quinn: He’s the most pro ready QB coming out of this class
Pat Kirwan: Yes Jones had a 17-19 record, but he watched him live in several games and said he had no support, was getting killed but still makes all the throws
That’s all I got. Shower time.
Oh, I just remembered another point made by Kirwan, I believe. He said the 4.7 (?) timed speed at combine for Jones was BS, he felt he’s closer to 4.5
I thought the whole NFL knows we are drafting Haskins? Wait no, its Allen. Wait no its Hockenson.
Come on man, we've been "mocked" to take about 5 different players in just the last week alone. Each day we have "leaks" about the different player the Giants like. This is complaining just to complain.
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will be that once again the entire NFL knows who they want to pick. Is there no way to shut up Chris Mara?
I thought the whole NFL knows we are drafting Haskins? Wait no, its Allen. Wait no its Hockenson.
Come on man, we've been "mocked" to take about 5 different players in just the last week alone. Each day we have "leaks" about the different player the Giants like. This is complaining just to complain.
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This is what I don't get. Yes, Eli elevated his team at Ole Miss. Duke won 8 games last year and made a Bowl. People talk like they went 0-12. They probably would've without DJ. And Josh - saying he sucked at Duke? You're exposing yourself as someone who shouldn't be taken seriously.
Yale
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yea wasn't a former Yale or Harvard grad?
Yale
He played at Harvard
What? There's multiple articles every day claiming different players. It's a clusterfuck.
Wow. Who left the front door open?
We should avoid Penn State running backs too, especially after Blair Thomas and Ki-Jana Carter.