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A week before the draft......

George from PA : 4/20/2019 8:01 am
We are getting a picture*....unless some last minute changes in thought

The 1st pick seems targeted to go BPA. All on defense...The top 3 guys, or Sweat or Oliver. Other then maybe the TE, which would be a long shot and the QB pressure is building

@17 fun begins...could be QB (Jones maybe Lock); could be a trade down if reasonable for the QBs; a trade back for a late 2nd/early 3rd and players; or even BPA like a D.Bush.


We should also expect:

OL help.
Tall WR.
Trades picks for young players with reasonable contracts.
Corners/Safeties

Engram might be in play as they prefer a better blocking TE

What peaks my curiosity is the possible trade back from 17 for pick(s) and/or "young, cap-friendly players, like peppers".


Possible teams:
SF for a top WR

NE for a top TE

What would they be willing to offer?



*various asshats

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RE: We want the Jets to trade down  
Giantz_comeback : 4/20/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14394763 JonC said:
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and for a QB to go at #3, please let it happen.


This is one of the key scenarios if we are hoping for one of the blue chip guys to make it to us.

Trading up to 4 with Oak could be another one.
RE: Hold your shorts  
GothamGiants : 4/20/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14394788 JonC said:
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I like White, but we build around pass rush especially picking #6. An ILB with instinct and technique questions is risky. Those instincts tend to not suddenly show up in the NFL.


I would actually prefer Bush to White, especially at 17 vs. 6. I think Bush would serve the “moneybacker” role beautifully ... White scares me. Outside of his measurables and “upside”, not a fan (at 6 anyway).
Giantz_comeback  
Big Rick in FL : 4/20/2019 10:08 am : link
Yeah they definitely do, but nobody has really had any info this offseason. Nobody thought Odell was getting trade this year. Nobody knew about the Golden Tate signing. Nobody knew about the Shepard extension. Or if they did know nobody posted about it. So IMO the Giants have done a much better job hiding their intentions.
RE: White is probably going to Tampa  
Big Rick in FL : 4/20/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14394800 JonC said:
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and I'd rather not find out.


I 100% agree that White is going to Tampa. There's also a strong possibility they take Oliver/Quinnen if they are on the board.
Q will be gone, Oliver will probably be there  
JonC : 4/20/2019 10:10 am : link
at #5.
JonC...I don't get the hype of White so high  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/20/2019 10:13 am : link
A pure lb with questionable instincts is worth a top ten pick? I get his upside is sky high, but I'm not taking a lb with questionable instincts there. I live in TB and was telling my buddy it would be the most Bucs pick ever because it seems they are locked in.
RE: Q will be gone, Oliver will probably be there  
Giantz_comeback : 4/20/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14394805 JonC said:
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at #5.


Jon have you heard anything with Oliver? Does the character stuff check out with them? We both know they want the super squeaky clean guy especially that high in the draft.
The most telling thing about the presser is it seems DG  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/20/2019 10:15 am : link
has a few more players in that top tier than the media does.
I think trading up to 9 makes sense..  
Sean : 4/20/2019 10:16 am : link
Gettleman has a relationship with the Bills GM, the Giants have plenty of picks & the Bills need to recoup some picks after trading up for Allen last year. This will allow the Giants to draft a defensive playmaker & secure a successor to Eli if any of the QB’s make the cut.
Ugh bbi dullards  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/20/2019 10:20 am : link
Who want to trade high picks for a coach killer literal trash QB in a deep draft. Some bbiers iq are as low as Rosen's qbr.
RE: I think trading up to 9 makes sense..  
GothamGiants : 4/20/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14394818 Sean said:
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Gettleman has a relationship with the Bills GM, the Giants have plenty of picks & the Bills need to recoup some picks after trading up for Allen last year. This will allow the Giants to draft a defensive playmaker & secure a successor to Eli if any of the QB’s make the cut.


They have 10 picks, 1-3 and 2 4’s ... 17 to 9 may be a bit pricey
Zeke  
JonC : 4/20/2019 10:20 am : link
That's the question, do you gamble on his upside and personality. Regarding Oliver, all I've heard is he's in the mix.
RE: RE: Hold your shorts  
Big Rick in FL : 4/20/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14394802 GothamGiants said:
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I like White, but we build around pass rush especially picking #6. An ILB with instinct and technique questions is risky. Those instincts tend to not suddenly show up in the NFL.



I would actually prefer Bush to White, especially at 17 vs. 6. I think Bush would serve the “moneybacker” role beautifully ... White scares me. Outside of his measurables and “upside”, not a fan (at 6 anyway).


I think saying he's only got measurables and upside is absurd. He's got great burst to find the ball carrier. Very good at shooting gaps. Very good change of direction. Has shown to be good in man & zone coverage.

Yes he definitely has flaws. Technique being one of them, but everything I've read is that he's very coachable and a student of the game. That's something that's coachable. Remember he was a RB out of HS and just about every scouting report says he got much better at diagnosing plays from 2017-2018. As he becomes more comfortable with the position that's most likely going to improve.
RE: Giantz_comeback  
Giantz_comeback : 4/20/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14394803 Big Rick in FL said:
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Yeah they definitely do, but nobody has really had any info this offseason. Nobody thought Odell was getting trade this year. Nobody knew about the Golden Tate signing. Nobody knew about the Shepard extension. Or if they did know nobody posted about it. So IMO the Giants have done a much better job hiding their intentions.


If you saw how ridiculosuly aggressive DG has been trading away big names and then Odell AGAIN pissing management off after his big contract you would not be surprised.

I was telling all my buddies DGs MO has been culture improvement as priority 1. Hitdog said Gaints wanted to see commitment from him and then theyd give him another chance (i.e the huge contract) after he pulled the Lil Wayne stuff it left them quite disappointed that he was never going to be the team player and or mature.

At that point knowing how DG operates the trade was not a surprise in the least.

Shepherd aside getting mixed up a bit with Odell is an excellent character guy. Excellent.

While no one knew for sure beforehand perhaps these moves are totally in line with Daves M.O.
RE: Zeke  
GothamGiants : 4/20/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14394826 JonC said:
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That's the question, do you gamble on his upside and personality. Regarding Oliver, all I've heard is he's in the mix.


Is Sweat’s heart condition a concern for them? I like his upside, but understand the hesitation. I really hate this idea of trading up for a QB in this class - especially doing so in between 2018/2020 classes.
Not heard a thing on Sweat  
JonC : 4/20/2019 10:25 am : link
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RE: Zeke  
section125 : 4/20/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14394826 JonC said:
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That's the question, do you gamble on his upside and personality. Regarding Oliver, all I've heard is he's in the mix.


At #6 you cannot gamble on upside. They need a starter without questions(reasonable questions). DG has stated repeatedly that they need to pressure the QB. If you could say D White was an NFL starting ILB at minimum, but could be a perennial All Pro with technique changes, then I could see him being picked, especially if he could blitz.
But I think they go with the bigger body because at worst they still have Ogletree. An at #17 the have a decent chance at D Bush....
RE: RE: RE: Hold your shorts  
GothamGiants : 4/20/2019 10:27 am : link
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I like White, but we build around pass rush especially picking #6. An ILB with instinct and technique questions is risky. Those instincts tend to not suddenly show up in the NFL.



I would actually prefer Bush to White, especially at 17 vs. 6. I think Bush would serve the “moneybacker” role beautifully ... White scares me. Outside of his measurables and “upside”, not a fan (at 6 anyway).



I think saying he's only got measurables and upside is absurd. He's got great burst to find the ball carrier. Very good at shooting gaps. Very good change of direction. Has shown to be good in man & zone coverage.

Yes he definitely has flaws. Technique being one of them, but everything I've read is that he's very coachable and a student of the game. That's something that's coachable. Remember he was a RB out of HS and just about every scouting report says he got much better at diagnosing plays from 2017-2018. As he becomes more comfortable with the position that's most likely going to improve.


So saying he’s only got measurables and upside is “absurd” ... but then you literally only list his positives that would be related to measurables and upside.

I am not taking a LB top 10 who can run fast and change direction but needs to learn how to play the position better and learn how to tackle properly.

Sounds a whole lot like a prospect with great measurables and “upside”, with potential flaws directly linked to playing the position itself. I don’t care if he can run fast when he’s out of position or can’t wrap up consistently when he gets there.
RE: Q will be gone, Oliver will probably be there  
Big Rick in FL : 4/20/2019 10:28 am : link
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at #5.


I think there is a lot higher possibility the Bucs take him then people think. The Bucs have one position set with Lavonte David. They just signed Deone Buchanon. It all depends on the health of Kendell Beckwith. He flashed big time in 2017. If they feel he will overcome his injury then I could see them passing on White.

Also McCoy is probably going to be cut so the Bucs will need someone who replaces him.
RE: Zeke  
Giantz_comeback : 4/20/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14394826 JonC said:
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That's the question, do you gamble on his upside and personality. Regarding Oliver, all I've heard is he's in the mix.


With Oak system,philosophy and current personnel Olivers grade may be closer to Quinnen's grade than our grades have them lined up. Quinnen is the best value for this team in my opinion and has the better character (its squeaky clean) over Oliver. Hes the perfect candidate for lead dog on the line that DG was referring to. He specifically mentioned Bethea a lead dog and Ogletree, yet no one on the DL.

Im not saying Oliver wouldnt be a good pick just that in terms of fit for what they are trying to do and establish here, Quinnen would be an amazing pick and in a tier all his own.
JonC....the thing I got from DG presser is he believes there are 5 top  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/20/2019 10:34 am : link
level D prospects as he didn't seem worried about landing a prospect in the same tier? I'm assuming Bosa, Q, Allen, but the other two? You said no Sweat so I'm thinking Oliver and Gary? Unless this truly is a smokescreen for Haskins.
The thing I got from DG's presser is Giants aren't going Rosen. He  
Blue21 : 4/20/2019 10:37 am : link
made it clear that it's important that whoever they get at QB will always be in the spotlight and under presser in the media capital of the world. Bingo...doesn't sound like a Rosen fit to me. Can't imagine giants holding onto that possible time bomb.
RE: JonC....the thing I got from DG presser is he believes there are 5 top  
GothamGiants : 4/20/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14394847 Zeke's Alibi said:
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level D prospects as he didn't seem worried about landing a prospect in the same tier? I'm assuming Bosa, Q, Allen, but the other two? You said no Sweat so I'm thinking Oliver and Gary? Unless this truly is a smokescreen for Haskins.


There is only 1 remote thrower for me ... and that is Haskins at 6. Gettleman didn’t mince words about his intent to build up this defense ... the problem is this draft’s depth may actually incline them to go QB early and still feel like they can land a quality d prospect at 17 or 37

Daniel Jones, Dexter Lawrence, Jaylon Ferguson? Wouldn’t be shocked if they went this route. There’s no clear cut D “must have” once Williams and Bosa and Allen go.
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Jimmy Googs : 4/20/2019 10:40 am : link










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Big Rick in FL : 4/20/2019 10:40 am : link
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I like White, but we build around pass rush especially picking #6. An ILB with instinct and technique questions is risky. Those instincts tend to not suddenly show up in the NFL.



I would actually prefer Bush to White, especially at 17 vs. 6. I think Bush would serve the “moneybacker” role beautifully ... White scares me. Outside of his measurables and “upside”, not a fan (at 6 anyway).



I think saying he's only got measurables and upside is absurd. He's got great burst to find the ball carrier. Very good at shooting gaps. Very good change of direction. Has shown to be good in man & zone coverage.

Yes he definitely has flaws. Technique being one of them, but everything I've read is that he's very coachable and a student of the game. That's something that's coachable. Remember he was a RB out of HS and just about every scouting report says he got much better at diagnosing plays from 2017-2018. As he becomes more comfortable with the position that's most likely going to improve.



So saying he’s only got measurables and upside is “absurd” ... but then you literally only list his positives that would be related to measurables and upside.

I am not taking a LB top 10 who can run fast and change direction but needs to learn how to play the position better and learn how to tackle properly.

Sounds a whole lot like a prospect with great measurables and “upside”, with potential flaws directly linked to playing the position itself. I don’t care if he can run fast when he’s out of position or can’t wrap up consistently when he gets there.


What? A LB that's good in coverage & good at shooting gaps isn't measurables or upside. Also being able to close on the ball carrier and change directions is very important for a LB.

It's not like he was some workout warrior. His production in the SEC was great. Especially since he's brand new at the position. The last 2 seasons he's played 26 games. He's got 256 tackles, 25.5 TFL, 7.5 sacks, 1 INT, 9 pass deflections, 5 forced fumbles and recoveries.

So he's got the measurables and upside while also being an extremely productive player in the best conference in college football.
RE: The thing I got from DG's presser is Giants aren't going Rosen. He  
GothamGiants : 4/20/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14394850 Blue21 said:
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made it clear that it's important that whoever they get at QB will always be in the spotlight and under presser in the media capital of the world. Bingo...doesn't sound like a Rosen fit to me. Can't imagine giants holding onto that possible time bomb.


Said a lot about “Adversity” too when it comes to evaluating players ... I don’t know his life story, but he seems more like a trust fund brat then someone who struggled to get to this point (he doesn’t exactly “need” football, similar to Manziel in that regard)
RE: JonC....the thing I got from DG presser is he believes there are 5 top  
JonC : 4/20/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14394847 Zeke's Alibi said:
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level D prospects as he didn't seem worried about landing a prospect in the same tier? I'm assuming Bosa, Q, Allen, but the other two? You said no Sweat so I'm thinking Oliver and Gary? Unless this truly is a smokescreen for Haskins.


I haven't heard specifically other than they've got six top grades. My educated guess would be Oliver and White ... and they might have higher grades on Wilkins and Lawrence than expected.
RE: JonC....the thing I got from DG presser is he believes there are 5 top  
Giantz_comeback : 4/20/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14394847 Zeke's Alibi said:
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level D prospects as he didn't seem worried about landing a prospect in the same tier? I'm assuming Bosa, Q, Allen, but the other two? You said no Sweat so I'm thinking Oliver and Gary? Unless this truly is a smokescreen for Haskins.


That doesn't necessarily mean that a couple of the guys have a moderately higher grade than the other ones. Like Q.Williams at 92, Bosa and Allen at 87 but the other few at 83-84 or so. 83 is still a strong grade but not quite the stellar grade of Q.
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GothamGiants : 4/20/2019 10:44 am : link
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I like White, but we build around pass rush especially picking #6. An ILB with instinct and technique questions is risky. Those instincts tend to not suddenly show up in the NFL.



I would actually prefer Bush to White, especially at 17 vs. 6. I think Bush would serve the “moneybacker” role beautifully ... White scares me. Outside of his measurables and “upside”, not a fan (at 6 anyway).



I think saying he's only got measurables and upside is absurd. He's got great burst to find the ball carrier. Very good at shooting gaps. Very good change of direction. Has shown to be good in man & zone coverage.

Yes he definitely has flaws. Technique being one of them, but everything I've read is that he's very coachable and a student of the game. That's something that's coachable. Remember he was a RB out of HS and just about every scouting report says he got much better at diagnosing plays from 2017-2018. As he becomes more comfortable with the position that's most likely going to improve.



So saying he’s only got measurables and upside is “absurd” ... but then you literally only list his positives that would be related to measurables and upside.

I am not taking a LB top 10 who can run fast and change direction but needs to learn how to play the position better and learn how to tackle properly.

Sounds a whole lot like a prospect with great measurables and “upside”, with potential flaws directly linked to playing the position itself. I don’t care if he can run fast when he’s out of position or can’t wrap up consistently when he gets there.



What? A LB that's good in coverage & good at shooting gaps isn't measurables or upside. Also being able to close on the ball carrier and change directions is very important for a LB.

It's not like he was some workout warrior. His production in the SEC was great. Especially since he's brand new at the position. The last 2 seasons he's played 26 games. He's got 256 tackles, 25.5 TFL, 7.5 sacks, 1 INT, 9 pass deflections, 5 forced fumbles and recoveries.

So he's got the measurables and upside while also being an extremely productive player in the best conference in college football.


Coverage and “shooting gaps” requires what exactly? Athleticism? Measurables? Changing direction? Not agility? Not included in measurables?

He can move, he’s very athletic, that’s what “measurables” are. When his flaws include instincts to play the position and tackling technique, I have a big problem taking that LB top 10. He’s a great athlete with great measurables and great upside.

His flaws just actually happen to be 2 of the most important aspects of playing the position. That is not a top 5 pick in my eyes. Agree to disagree.

RE: RE: JonC....the thing I got from DG presser is he believes there are 5 top  
Giantz_comeback : 4/20/2019 10:45 am : link
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level D prospects as he didn't seem worried about landing a prospect in the same tier? I'm assuming Bosa, Q, Allen, but the other two? You said no Sweat so I'm thinking Oliver and Gary? Unless this truly is a smokescreen for Haskins.



I haven't heard specifically other than they've got six top grades. My educated guess would be Oliver and White ... and they might have higher grades on Wilkins and Lawrence than expected.


If they dont get a guy with some beef and has versatility to play the interior at 6, those guys would be very much in play for 17 I would think.
RE: RE: JonC....the thing I got from DG presser is he believes there are 5 top  
GothamGiants : 4/20/2019 10:47 am : link
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level D prospects as he didn't seem worried about landing a prospect in the same tier? I'm assuming Bosa, Q, Allen, but the other two? You said no Sweat so I'm thinking Oliver and Gary? Unless this truly is a smokescreen for Haskins.



I haven't heard specifically other than they've got six top grades. My educated guess would be Oliver and White ... and they might have higher grades on Wilkins and Lawrence than expected.


Lawrence is exactly what this team needs, Snacks 2.0. I could see Wilkins versatility being the tie breaker v Lawrence ... I’d be happy with either Clemson DT though.
RE: RE: The thing I got from DG's presser is Giants aren't going Rosen. He  
Giantz_comeback : 4/20/2019 10:47 am : link
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made it clear that it's important that whoever they get at QB will always be in the spotlight and under presser in the media capital of the world. Bingo...doesn't sound like a Rosen fit to me. Can't imagine giants holding onto that possible time bomb.



Said a lot about “Adversity” too when it comes to evaluating players ... I don’t know his life story, but he seems more like a trust fund brat then someone who struggled to get to this point (he doesn’t exactly “need” football, similar to Manziel in that regard)


Do Giants want Josh Rosen as face of the franchise? I can't see it regardless of how beautiful a football he throws.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hold your shorts  
section125 : 4/20/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14394856 Big Rick in FL said:
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It's not like he was some workout warrior. His production in the SEC was great. Especially since he's brand new at the position. The last 2 seasons he's played 26 games. He's got 256 tackles, 25.5 TFL, 7.5 sacks, 1 INT, 9 pass deflections, 5 forced fumbles and recoveries.

So he's got the measurables and upside while also being an extremely productive player in the best conference in college football.


So, I can see who you want in the draft. Sometimes a player is so obvious it is hard to understand how he was passed over. Other times he seems so obvious to the standard fan that they don't see the obvious faults. Remember Rolando McClain or Ryan Leaf?
Just speculation, as to why he isn't a can't miss top 5 player.
I know this is a deep  
Fast Eddie : 4/20/2019 10:52 am : link
Defensive draft but wouldn’t the highest rated tackle be on par with the sixth rated defensive player? I can only imagine what Saquon can do behind a good o line. I mean he ran for 1300 last year behind our really bad line.
Can’t wait till Thursday so I can stop flip flopping. Change my mind daily it seems
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hold your shorts  
Big Rick in FL : 4/20/2019 11:01 am : link
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It's not like he was some workout warrior. His production in the SEC was great. Especially since he's brand new at the position. The last 2 seasons he's played 26 games. He's got 256 tackles, 25.5 TFL, 7.5 sacks, 1 INT, 9 pass deflections, 5 forced fumbles and recoveries.

So he's got the measurables and upside while also being an extremely productive player in the best conference in college football.



So, I can see who you want in the draft. Sometimes a player is so obvious it is hard to understand how he was passed over. Other times he seems so obvious to the standard fan that they don't see the obvious faults. Remember Rolando McClain or Ryan Leaf?
Just speculation, as to why he isn't a can't miss top 5 player.


There are rarely any can't miss players. I'd be happy with Devin White. We haven't had a good LB in forever. He's definitely not my top choice though. I like Bosa, Allen, Quinnen & Oliver more. If those 4 are gone I definitely think he's a better option then Lawrence, Wilkins, Sweat and Gary.
I feel  
Mark from Jersey : 4/20/2019 11:03 am : link
we need defense at 6 & 17. Our 2nd rounder should be BPA but hoping for WR or an OL that slipped a bit. I hope we take a center at some point in the draft as well. I also believe we trade up a few times. No way we use all 12 picks.
RE: I feel  
Giantz_comeback : 4/20/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14394887 Mark from Jersey said:
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we need defense at 6 & 17. Our 2nd rounder should be BPA but hoping for WR or an OL that slipped a bit. I hope we take a center at some point in the draft as well. I also believe we trade up a few times. No way we use all 12 picks.


Gettleman said something to the effect that 12 picks is a ridiculous amount of picks and we dont want to have to cut too many players. Given his propensity for trade ups regardless, expect quite a few jumps maybe even moving up from 6.
RE: I know this is a deep  
GothamGiants : 4/20/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14394874 Fast Eddie said:
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Defensive draft but wouldn’t the highest rated tackle be on par with the sixth rated defensive player? I can only imagine what Saquon can do behind a good o line. I mean he ran for 1300 last year behind our really bad line.
Can’t wait till Thursday so I can stop flip flopping. Change my mind daily it seems


Gettleman mentioned OT as “thick” (deep w/ prospects) in addition to DL ... I wouldn’t mind Jonah or Jawaan Taylor @ 6 if they chose to go D at 17.

I love Risner in round 2 (C/RT starter day 1). QB seems like a high probability round 1 these days ... I’d have a hard time going OL/QB with both picks in a draft so loaded on defense.
My dream scenario remain the same: best player available each pick  
SGMen : 4/20/2019 11:46 am : link
in what DG calls "the deepest draft he's seen as a GM", rounds 1-4.

Since the draft is deep, if we are at #6 and one of the "Big 3" QB's is there; HOWEVER, he isn't high on our draft board despite our need for a young QB to groom, does DG consider any trade down offers? I say "Why Not???" if its a deep draft, right?

I am still holding out hope we get Denver's #1 (10th pick) and #2 which we in turn convert to #10 - OL; and #17, hopefully a DL of merit who falls. We need both positions.

And, in the 2nd round, we get two chances to fix the defense more as the draft is defense heavy.

Thoughts? Hopes?? Dreams???
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Giantz_comeback : 4/20/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14394928 GothamGiants said:
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Defensive draft but wouldn’t the highest rated tackle be on par with the sixth rated defensive player? I can only imagine what Saquon can do behind a good o line. I mean he ran for 1300 last year behind our really bad line.
Can’t wait till Thursday so I can stop flip flopping. Change my mind daily it seems



Gettleman mentioned OT as “thick” (deep w/ prospects) in addition to DL ... I wouldn’t mind Jonah or Jawaan Taylor @ 6 if they chose to go D at 17.

I love Risner in round 2 (C/RT starter day 1). QB seems like a high probability round 1 these days ... I’d have a hard time going OL/QB with both picks in a draft so loaded on defense.


And then he said thankfully secondary (as if for emphasis)
I dont expect a CB until pick 95 earliest (unless obvious BPA)
RE: My  
Giants38 : 4/20/2019 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14394695 Eric from BBI said:
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two take-aways from Gettleman's press conference:

(1) Regardless of the first 5 picks, he said there will be a defensive player worthy of the #6 pick.

(2) He feels this is the deepest draft in rounds 1-4 that he has seen in seven years (he tenure as GM at two teams).


If the Giants trade away a 2nd, 3rd, and/or 4th round pick, Gettleman is going to lose a quality player.


If the Giants really want a QB and don't want to give up a premium pick to get one, they will have to pick a QB at 6.

If all the information leaking out is true, I maintain the Giants have a huge, huge issue in their front office and need to get it fixed immediately.
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GothamGiants : 4/20/2019 12:40 pm : link
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Defensive draft but wouldn’t the highest rated tackle be on par with the sixth rated defensive player? I can only imagine what Saquon can do behind a good o line. I mean he ran for 1300 last year behind our really bad line.
Can’t wait till Thursday so I can stop flip flopping. Change my mind daily it seems



Gettleman mentioned OT as “thick” (deep w/ prospects) in addition to DL ... I wouldn’t mind Jonah or Jawaan Taylor @ 6 if they chose to go D at 17.

I love Risner in round 2 (C/RT starter day 1). QB seems like a high probability round 1 these days ... I’d have a hard time going OL/QB with both picks in a draft so loaded on defense.



And then he said thankfully secondary (as if for emphasis)
I dont expect a CB until pick 95 earliest (unless obvious BPA)


If they don’t trade up, i expect a “cluster” of DBs drafted 3-5th round
RE: RE: Q will be gone, Oliver will probably be there  
GiantGrit : 4/20/2019 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14394816 Giantz_comeback said:
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at #5.



Jon have you heard anything with Oliver? Does the character stuff check out with them? We both know they want the super squeaky clean guy especially that high in the draft.


Ed Oliver scares the shit out of me. He looks like a stud on film, but i was told he was "entitled and lazy" at Houston.
'We are getting a picture*'...  
Torrag : 4/20/2019 12:46 pm : link
I disagree. I have no clue what they are doing.
RE: RE: My  
section125 : 4/20/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14395027 Giants38 said:
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If all the information leaking out is true, I maintain the Giants have a huge, huge issue in their front office and need to get it fixed immediately.


What is leaking? They have been linked with 3 QBs, 2 DTs, 3 ER/DEs, 2 LBs...
Nothing leads to anything.

Only thing we have is JonC and jt think they want to go DL at #6 and even they aren't sure...
'They have been linked with 3 QBs, 2 DTs, 3 ER/DEs, 2 LBs'...  
Torrag : 4/20/2019 1:12 pm : link
LOL yep. As I've iterated before I'd be leery if I was sitting with Gettelman at a Hold'em table. For all his purported 'honesty' he oozes sneaky to me. You gotta watch out for those guys when the stakes are high.
RE: My  
AcidTest : 4/20/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14394695 Eric from BBI said:
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two take-aways from Gettleman's press conference:

(1) Regardless of the first 5 picks, he said there will be a defensive player worthy of the #6 pick.

(2) He feels this is the deepest draft in rounds 1-4 that he has seen in seven years (he tenure as GM at two teams).


If the Giants trade away a 2nd, 3rd, and/or 4th round pick, Gettleman is going to lose a quality player.


One solution to that problem is to trade down from #6. This is a deep defensive draft. Move down from six to maybe 10 or 11, and take Burns. Then you have the ammunition to trade back up from #37 without suffering a net loss of day two draft picks.

I don't want to trade up for Jones, even to say, #15. I wouldn't even take him at #17. But I think the issue is moot, because the Giants will have to trade up to at least #9 to guarantee they get him. And the cost to do that will be exorbitant unless they have extra capital from a prior trade down. The problem of course is that it is very unlikely the Giants will trade down from #6.

I do think the Giants will draft a QB early, and my guess is that it will be Grier. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Giants trade down from #17, and then trade up again into the third round using some of their day three picks.
RE: I'd love to know who keeps Rosen's name out  
Danny80 : 4/20/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14394750 JonC said:
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because I've not heard it one single time.


My ideal situation is Rosen for 37 and/or trading some of the extra picks to get another second round or early third round pick to go after more of that early round depth.

I'll never understand how the value of Rosen at 37 wouldn't exceed the value of any other player the Giants could get at 37.
RE: RE: I'd love to know who keeps Rosen's name out  
JonC : 4/22/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14395324 Danny80 said:
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because I've not heard it one single time.



My ideal situation is Rosen for 37 and/or trading some of the extra picks to get another second round or early third round pick to go after more of that early round depth.

I'll never understand how the value of Rosen at 37 wouldn't exceed the value of any other player the Giants could get at 37.


The reported issue with Rosen is based on personality.
Jon  
Sean : 4/22/2019 10:48 am : link
I know you don’t want a QB this year, do you not like any? I just think if DG has a 1st round grade on any of these guys it would make sense.

I think waiting until next year is risky & a lot of teams will be in on QB next year.
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