A week before the draft......

but my GUESS is that we are getting Rosen and that the D and OL will be prioritized.

They would do just that.....

But an asshat said the Giants hope Qashington wins the Rosen lottery....as they would be one of the teams between 6 and 17 targeting a QB.

Denver Lock
Cincinnati Haskins
Washington Rosen

I’d offer 37 for Rosen easily OR 17 for Rosen and Haasan Ridick.

Gettleman listed offensive tackle, receiver, D-line and cornerback as the deepest positions in this draft.

It seems plausible to me if he likes one of these quarterbacks he d be inclined to take him early believing he could still get good quality at the other positions later.

To start.

So I sure hope the Remmers rumors are true

to the Giants? I don't see that happening before the draft.
I'm not sure I see that happening at all.

Scenario would be new OC/DC for a team that wants to implement a new Offense/Defense. Did San Fran change coordinators? If not, scratch them off your list.

Team trades up with the Giants for a player they want.
They send the Giants a player or pick or combo. I still think trade would be for picks and not players.

But we know they were willing to trade picks and players for OBJ.

Do they see a top WR available at 17?

In comment 14394640 Big Blue '56 said:

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but my GUESS is that we are getting Rosen and that the D and OL will be prioritized.

This is my guess as well.

two take-aways from Gettleman's press conference:

(1) Regardless of the first 5 picks, he said there will be a defensive player worthy of the #6 pick.

(2) He feels this is the deepest draft in rounds 1-4 that he has seen in seven years (he tenure as GM at two teams).


If the Giants trade away a 2nd, 3rd, and/or 4th round pick, Gettleman is going to lose a quality player.

within top four rounds.

So does that mean he should stand pat with all of our late round picks as this heavy volume of 3rd & 4th round value guys drop to later rounds?

OR

Use the extra late picks to move up into Rds 3 and 4 and scoop up what DG believes to be the highest quality middle round guys (albeit less of them)?

In comment 14394695 Eric from BBI said:

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two take-aways from Gettleman's press conference: (1) Regardless of the first 5 picks, he said there will be a defensive player worthy of the #6 pick. (2) He feels this is the deepest draft in rounds 1-4 that he has seen in seven years (he tenure as GM at two teams). If the Giants trade away a 2nd, 3rd, and/or 4th round pick, Gettleman is going to lose a quality player.

I’m expecting those extra 5th rounders to be used in a couple move ups (especially between picks 37-95, a lot of talent will be available)

In comment 14394699 Jimmy Googs said:

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within top four rounds. So does that mean he should stand pat with all of our late round picks as this heavy volume of 3rd & 4th round value guys drop to later rounds? OR Use the extra late picks to move up into Rds 3 and 4 and scoop up what DG believes to be the highest quality middle round guys (albeit less of them)?

He has shown throughout his entire career that he will aggressively pursue a targeted player via trade up. I expect a couple of these moves - highly doubt he ends up with 12 selects.

7th rounders are basically worthless in trade, so he’ll probably take some big freak OL/DL and try and coach them up. The extra 5th rounders should be the ammo needed to get an extra/higher 3rd or 4th

try to trade up ahead of the Redskins at #15 to get a QB, defense or OT at #37 ... and they've got ammo to try and move up in the 2nd/3rd rounds.

then I expect defense or OT.

moving up a few spots in Falcon spot in rd 1 from a friend of mine here in ATL. Have not heard its for a particular player as of yet...

depending on who's there, of course.

I'm not sure we are getting a picture of how things are going to happen. We've heard so many different things in the last few days.

Charles Robinson says Jones is QB1.

Peter Schrager said Lock is QB1.

Joey in VA says Jones is QB4 and we aren't taking a QB at 6.

JonC & JT have said Lock & Jones are their top 2 QBs, but they don't know which order.

Matt Miller says Haskins is QB1.
Both Miller & Rapoport say Haskins at 6 is a strong possibility.

Peppers has said he's heard more about Haskins then any other QB.

Stapleton & Ranaan have both said Lock is QB1.

We've heard it's going to be a Defender at 6 and a trade up for a QB is on the table.

Schefter said he believes we end up with Rosen.

So many different opinions/info. I know the Giants haven't been good at hiding their intentions in the past, but after looking at the past few months (Odell trade, Tate signing, Shep extension) and now all of this draft info. No disrespect to our asshats (I absolutely love reading their posts) it sure seems like the Giants are doing a good job at masking their intentions.

My worst case scenario is
Q Williams/Bosa/Allen/Oliver all off the board before 6.

I really like Sweat but with that heart condition I don’t think it’s great idea to draft him at 6. In this scenario, what defensive player you see as the pick?

In comment 14394710 JonC said:

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try to trade up ahead of the Redskins at #15 to get a QB, defense or OT at #37 ... and they've got ammo to try and move up in the 2nd/3rd rounds.

Jon, I disagree with the fact we have to trade ahead of the Redskins to take a QB. One, Jay Gruden and company have already said they need an immediate impact player at 15. Two, Jay Gruden's job is probably on the line if they have a bad year. Then you have these rumors that they love a certain QB. That just sounds like they want teams to draft QBs in front of them so it pushes a better player down. Could they go QB? Absolutely they could but I think that could lead to Gruden getting fired and then having the same problem all these other teams have when the QB is in place prior to the HC being in place.

I think Devin White goes top 5 and Oliver would be there for us. I wouldn't take the risk on Sweat either, he's not good enough against the run and the heart thing bugs me.

In comment 14394727 JonC said:

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depending on who's there, of course.

Yeah surmise same or security if lose out on a Rosen trade. But maybe they have a hard-on for an OT or an ER that falls.

lets see...

I'm just relaying what appears to be how teams are reading the tea leaves. Word is Skins are looking QB at #15, we shall see.

In comment 14394730 jayg5 said:

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My worst case scenario is Q Williams/Bosa/Allen/Oliver all off the board before 6. I really like Sweat but with that heart condition I don’t think it’s great idea to draft him at 6. In this scenario, what defensive player you see as the pick?

I'm not an insider by any means. I've had info given to me from people that work for other teams. From what I've heard if the board falls like that an AFC team thinks our pick would be Devin White.

Since February I've been saying Josh Allen will be on the board at 6. The more I hear and the more I read the more confident I feel in that statement.

If a team trades into the top 5 for a QB I think the first 5 picks will be Murray, Bosa, QB2, Quinnen & White.

If that doesn't happen I think the first 5 will be Murray, Bosa, Oliver, Quinnen & White.

I like White but don’t want an off ball LB as our pick

I’d hate that scenario

Again, I really don’t want White In that scenario. Ugh

In comment 14394739 jayg5 said:

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I like White but don’t want an off ball LB as our pick I’d hate that scenario

Why? We need help all over the place. Look at what Kuechly & Bobby Wagner have done for their teams. Look at what Darius Leonard did last year for the Colts.

footwork and tackling techniques are legit. Hard to pick an unfinished player at that spot, especially an ILB.

In comment 14394640 Big Blue '56 said:

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but my GUESS is that we are getting Rosen and that the D and OL will be prioritized.

Please let this be true.

I am expecting a trade up somewhere in rounds 2-4.

because I've not heard it one single time.

It’s just not ideal to me.

I don’t want this to turn into huge debate or making it like I don’t like
The players but picking 2 and 6 back to back years and drafting a RB
and off ball linebacker isn’t something I’d want.

In comment 14394737 JonC said:

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I'm just relaying what appears to be how teams are reading the tea leaves. Word is Skins are looking QB at #15, we shall see.

I think if the right guy falls to them then I agree but like last year I dont want to say QB as in they'll be happy with any QB. I think a name has to go with it. If I had to guess they'd be happy with one of the guys that fits what Gruden likes. I also don't think they want to give up future picks or current picks so not sure if they'll move up at all.

On a side note I just asked my buddy who is a Jets fan if there is any news on the Jets trading out of three so it increases our chances at getting one of the top 3 defenders (assuming the team is trading up for a QB). Here is his response:

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We're almost assuredly trading out of three. More talk about the Broncos trading up because Elway has his annual QB boner. But also a lot of talk about teams moving up for Q (Raiders). I did read this morning that if we can't get a good pick package we might try to trade with a team who has a unsigned Franchise guy like Grady, Clark, or Clooney.

and for a QB to go at #3, please let it happen.

That is for sure.....

I know people at Penn St. and Ohio St....and the Ohio St guy feel strongly, Haskins stays in State and goes to Cincinnati.

Exactly.

Jets trading out would give us better chance of Allen falling into our lap
Assuming team trading to 3 spot is for a QB

In comment 14394747 JonC said:

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footwork and tackling techniques are legit. Hard to pick an unfinished player at that spot, especially an ILB.

Every player in the Draft has flaws. Especially every guy that's going to be available at 6.

In comment 14394728 Big Rick in FL said:

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I'm not sure we are getting a picture of how things are going to happen. We've heard so many different things in the last few days. So many different opinions/info. I know the Giants haven't been good at hiding their intentions in the past, but after looking at the past few months (Odell trade, Tate signing, Shep extension) and now all of this draft info. No disrespect to our asshats (I absolutely love reading their posts) it sure seems like the Giants are doing a good job at masking their intentions.

EXACTLY. There are more stories on what the Giants are going to do at pick 6, then I can keep track of (nice job summarizing these BTW, this should be saved;))
The question is whether the Giants can keep this up next week or if folks zero in on their plans. They should leave the scouts at home until draft day;)

In comment 14394770 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 14394747 JonC said: Quote: footwork and tackling techniques are legit. Hard to pick an unfinished player at that spot, especially an ILB. Every player in the Draft has flaws. Especially every guy that's going to be available at 6.

That's a short-sighted approach.

In comment 14394765 George from PA said:

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That is for sure..... I know people at Penn St. and Ohio St....and the Ohio St guy feel strongly, Haskins stays in State and goes to Cincinnati.

A lot of people think they go QB. I read earlier this week that they only had one QB in for a private workout or visit. That was Ryan Finley.

Seems kinda hard to believe that they'd take their franchise QB in the top 11 without meeting with him or working him out. It's a possibility, but I'm a lot less sure now then I was.

Doesn't do Giants any good.

A nice summary of viewpoints on QB rankings from pundits and people in the know, but you left out the most recent bit of info in that Haskins is out.

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Doesn't do Giants any good.

Nope.

In comment 14394773 JonC said:

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In comment 14394770 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: In comment 14394747 JonC said: Quote: footwork and tackling techniques are legit. Hard to pick an unfinished player at that spot, especially an ILB. Every player in the Draft has flaws. Especially every guy that's going to be available at 6. That's a short-sighted approach.

Not really. It's just the truth. Ed Oliver doesn't have major flaws? Rashan Gary? Montez Sweat? Josh Allen? All of them have flaws just like Devin White does. We get it. You don't like him, but at least be realistic. All of these guys have their own flaws.

In comment 14394778 Diver_Down said:

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A nice summary of viewpoints on QB rankings from pundits and people in the know, but you left out the most recent bit of info in that Haskins is out.

Gidie said something last night about not posting about the deleted thread so I left it out on purpose.

I like White, but we build around pass rush especially picking #6. An ILB with instinct and technique questions is risky. Those instincts tend to not suddenly show up in the NFL.

In comment 14394728 Big Rick in FL said:

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I'm not sure we are getting a picture of how things are going to happen. We've heard so many different things in the last few days. Charles Robinson says Jones is QB1. Peter Schrager said Lock is QB1. Joey in VA says Jones is QB4 and we aren't taking a QB at 6. JonC & JT have said Lock & Jones are their top 2 QBs, but they don't know which order. Matt Miller says Haskins is QB1. Both Miller & Rapoport say Haskins at 6 is a strong possibility. Peppers has said he's heard more about Haskins then any other QB. Stapleton & Ranaan have both said Lock is QB1. We've heard it's going to be a Defender at 6 and a trade up for a QB is on the table. Schefter said he believes we end up with Rosen. So many different opinions/info. I know the Giants haven't been good at hiding their intentions in the past, but after looking at the past few months (Odell trade, Tate signing, Shep extension) and now all of this draft info. No disrespect to our asshats (I absolutely love reading their posts) it sure seems like the Giants are doing a good job at masking their intentions.

And out of all those guys , the ones with the best information /longest track record is Jtgiants and JonC.

Jones and Lock are very likely the top 2 and Jones is likely QB1 as the Giants love familiarity. Cutliffe connection, Manning connection etc. etc.

I think they really like Grier too but have no idea how close the grade is to Jones.

There could always be a last minute change of thinking but would still be very suprised if they went QB at 6.

Giants are a very big value and investment team. Itd be hard to play Eli in 2020 if they take a QB at 6. Don't know if they are ready to do that.

But if the big 3 defenders are gone. BPA gets alot more murky. What type of thought process will win out at that point?

I hope they somehow find a way to land Q.Williams. I think he is the #1 guy on their board.

If he or Josh Allen drop the value of the pass rush defender at 6 becomes super, super high.

In comment 14394738 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 14394730 jayg5 said: Quote: My worst case scenario is Q Williams/Bosa/Allen/Oliver all off the board before 6. I really like Sweat but with that heart condition I don’t think it’s great idea to draft him at 6. In this scenario, what defensive player you see as the pick? I'm not an insider by any means. I've had info given to me from people that work for other teams. From what I've heard if the board falls like that an AFC team thinks our pick would be Devin White. Since February I've been saying Josh Allen will be on the board at 6. The more I hear and the more I read the more confident I feel in that statement. If a team trades into the top 5 for a QB I think the first 5 picks will be Murray, Bosa, QB2, Quinnen & White. If that doesn't happen I think the first 5 will be Murray, Bosa, Oliver, Quinnen & White.

I’ll be pumped if the Giants get Allen at 6 — would be an awesome start.

In comment 14394788 JonC said:

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I like White, but we build around pass rush especially picking #6. An ILB with instinct and technique questions is risky. Those instincts tend to not suddenly show up in the NFL.

Yeah obviously the idea is to build around the pass rush. If Allen, Bosa, Quinnen & Oliver are off the board then White has to be considered as he's probably the top player left on the board.

and I'd rather not find out.