You say that it's irrelevant whether or not the LF would have caught the ball: once the fan interferes in any way, it's a dead ball and the batter is out. End of story.
Let's assume we aren't talking about a wall-scraper, but the ball is a no-doubter headed to the upper deck. The LFer, figuring he has nothing to lose, leaps with his glove in the air nonetheless before the ball crosses the invisible plane some 30ft above him. The elbow of a cheering fan inadvertently scrapes the LFer's glove in the process, which by definition, is fan interference.
or an idiot. I’d like to think I wouldn’t do it but if the ball is hit right at me, I’m probably making a play for it, how often does that even happen for someone? A lot of it is just gut reaction, you simply want to catch it.
If the stadiums are going to be designed to allow possible fan interference, than that’s on the MLB/owners.
Putting seats back is an idea, since I guess it is too much to ask an idiot not to interfere with a live play, that is too much to ask from an asshole for sure.
Of course this is also true. Have to say up until that play, the fans have not been reaching on those wall scrapers.
You say that it's irrelevant whether or not the LF would have caught the ball: once the fan interferes in any way, it's a dead ball and the batter is out. End of story.
Let's assume we aren't talking about a wall-scraper, but the ball is a no-doubter headed to the upper deck. The LFer, figuring he has nothing to lose, leaps with his glove in the air nonetheless before the ball crosses the invisible plane some 30ft above him. The elbow of a cheering fan inadvertently scrapes the LFer's glove in the process, which by definition, is fan interference.
Do we call the batter out in this situation?
How did the fan interfere with that play in your example? Ball was in the upper deck.
if true, this is what one of the medical sites say about recovery " very mild muscle pull can heal in just a few days when rested, but most muscle strains may take four to six weeks to heal, and a very severe muscle pull could take up to ten weeks".
The LFer leaps for the ball 30ft over his head, and by chance, the elbow of a celebrating fan grazes the LFer's glove. It's technically interference, because the player's glove has been hit before the ball breaks the imaginary plane.
My point is that you have to take into account whether or not the ball would have been caught. In this case the LFer was at the top of his leap when the fan interfered. It was close, but that ball was just out of his reach. Considering the ruling on the field was a HR, I think they were wrong to overturn it.
returns Wednesday. Article this morning said he is ready for a rehab game tomorrow, but SWB doesn't play, so he will rehab Monday, if all goes well he will fly west to meet up with the team Tuesday, and play Wednesday. Stanton and Tulo sound like they are still a couple of weeks away, Hicks may be restarting Spring Training soon, and Florial had his cast remove Wednesday and should resume baseball activities after next weekend. Migi is a wild card, sounds like he is hitting and throwing some, but with his injury how long can he hold up if activated?
- we may be seeing Wade in the outfield now. Sanchez is supposedly back mid-week but that will only help at DH and C. We need Stanton back. Hicks apparently isn't close yet.
The LFer leaps for the ball 30ft over his head, and by chance, the elbow of a celebrating fan grazes the LFer's glove. It's technically interference, because the player's glove has been hit before the ball breaks the imaginary plane.
My point is that you have to take into account whether or not the ball would have been caught. In this case the LFer was at the top of his leap when the fan interfered. It was close, but that ball was just out of his reach. Considering the ruling on the field was a HR, I think they were wrong to overturn it.
Now you are being obstinate. Clearly proximity to the play is important.
I don't think Gordon would have missed that and if he did it was a homer as he was over the wall. But the fan not only touched the ball in the field of play (reached over the wall) but hit Gordon's glove. If you don't think that is interference, then you you will never be convinced.
I also think fatboy West was wrong last year in the ALCS calling Altuve out when the fan only touched the ball after it passed the boundary of the wall.
The LFer leaps for the ball 30ft over his head, and by chance, the elbow of a celebrating fan grazes the LFer's glove. It's technically interference, because the player's glove has been hit before the ball breaks the imaginary plane.
My point is that you have to take into account whether or not the ball would have been caught. In this case the LFer was at the top of his leap when the fan interfered. It was close, but that ball was just out of his reach. Considering the ruling on the field was a HR, I think they were wrong to overturn it.
You CANNOT assume Gordon doesnt make that play. That is absurd. Yes, I think the ball goes over his mitt, but the fan prevented Gordon from a legit chance at a play.
Now, if you wanted to say that it did not fulfill the indisputable evidence requirement for reversing the call, sure.
returns Wednesday. Article this morning said he is ready for a rehab game tomorrow, but SWB doesn't play, so he will rehab Monday, if all goes well he will fly west to meet up with the team Tuesday, and play Wednesday. Stanton and Tulo sound like they are still a couple of weeks away, Hicks may be restarting Spring Training soon, and Florial had his cast remove Wednesday and should resume baseball activities after next weekend. Migi is a wild card, sounds like he is hitting and throwing some, but with his injury how long can he hold up if activated?
They should forget the rehab game. He is either ready to play or he isn't. Just activate him tomorrow.
You say that it's irrelevant whether or not the LF would have caught the ball: once the fan interferes in any way, it's a dead ball and the batter is out. End of story.
Let's assume we aren't talking about a wall-scraper, but the ball is a no-doubter headed to the upper deck. The LFer, figuring he has nothing to lose, leaps with his glove in the air nonetheless before the ball crosses the invisible plane some 30ft above him. The elbow of a cheering fan inadvertently scrapes the LFer's glove in the process, which by definition, is fan interference.
Do we call the batter out in this situation?
Umm no, your premise and definition are wrong. The fielder has to be making a play on the ball for there to be any chance of interference being called. He's not making a play on a ball hit in the upper deck.
Now the fan might get tossed for making contact with a player depending on security and the home team's policies but that's about it.
returns Wednesday. Article this morning said he is ready for a rehab game tomorrow, but SWB doesn't play, so he will rehab Monday, if all goes well he will fly west to meet up with the team Tuesday, and play Wednesday. Stanton and Tulo sound like they are still a couple of weeks away, Hicks may be restarting Spring Training soon, and Florial had his cast remove Wednesday and should resume baseball activities after next weekend. Migi is a wild card, sounds like he is hitting and throwing some, but with his injury how long can he hold up if activated?
They should forget the rehab game. He is either ready to play or he isn't. Just activate him tomorrow.
The advantage of a rehab game is also for those playing in place of Gary. I know today won’t always happen but these backups are getting a ton of experience and that matters. It also mitigates having to pull Sanchez after 1 at bat for not feeling right and having to go to your bench in the first inning.
I’m fine letting the backups get another crack whole Gary makes a quick rehab stint.
The LFer leaps for the ball 30ft over his head, and by chance, the elbow of a celebrating fan grazes the LFer's glove. It's technically interference, because the player's glove has been hit before the ball breaks the imaginary plane.
My point is that you have to take into account whether or not the ball would have been caught. In this case the LFer was at the top of his leap when the fan interfered. It was close, but that ball was just out of his reach. Considering the ruling on the field was a HR, I think they were wrong to overturn it.
You CANNOT assume Gordon doesnt make that play. That is absurd. Yes, I think the ball goes over his mitt, but the fan prevented Gordon from a legit chance at a play.
Now, if you wanted to say that it did not fulfill the indisputable evidence requirement for reversing the call, sure.
He didn't just touch the ball while it was in the field of play, he hit the LFer's glove; that is fan interference. Sucks, and cost Gleybor a HR.
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The advantage of a rehab game is also for those playing in place of Gary. I know today won’t always happen but these backups are getting a ton of experience and that matters. It also mitigates having to pull Sanchez after 1 at bat for not feeling right and having to go to your bench in the first inning.
I’m fine letting the backups get another crack whole Gary makes a quick rehab stint.
The only backup getting experience in place of Gary is Higgy and we know what he can do.
You are right of course it is just to see if Gary can play a full game before sending Higgy down. If Gary wasn't right and Higgy had been sent down they wouldn't be ablet to recall him for 10 days, I think.
The LFer leaps for the ball 30ft over his head, and by chance, the elbow of a celebrating fan grazes the LFer's glove. It's technically interference, because the player's glove has been hit before the ball breaks the imaginary plane.
My point is that you have to take into account whether or not the ball would have been caught. In this case the LFer was at the top of his leap when the fan interfered. It was close, but that ball was just out of his reach. Considering the ruling on the field was a HR, I think they were wrong to overturn it.
In that case, what reason would a fan have for reaching over the wall? The interference must come in the field of play. I understand your point and agree it probably would have been a HR, but today's play was close enough it didn't matter.
While a couple of these injuries have been of the freak occurrence Â
variety (Andujar), or injury prone guys getting predictably injured (Tulo, Bird), at what point does it become reasonable to question what’s going on with the Yanks strength and conditioning program?
Maybe I have tunnel vision as a Yankee fan, but I can’t ever recall a team having more guys go down with muscle pull type injuries within spring training and April only before.
Suzyn mentioned the injuries and said if you put Tulo at 2B, the Yanks have almost heir whole starting team injured or on IL ( Gleyber being the exception)
1B - Bird
2B - Tulo
SS - Didi
3B - Andujar
LF - Stanton
CF - Hicks
RF - Judge
C - Sanchez
P - Severino
Plus one of their better relievers in Betances.
That's a helluva lineup and I've never seen so many starters go down at the same theme.
They need to just somehow stay within striking distance until guys start coming back. A lot is gonna fall on the pitching staff for now but if they all hang tough, hopefully we can stay afloat and not lose the season before it even gets going.
RE: While a couple of these injuries have been of the freak occurrence Â
variety (Andujar), or injury prone guys getting predictably injured (Tulo, Bird), at what point does it become reasonable to question what’s going on with the Yanks strength and conditioning program?
Maybe I have tunnel vision as a Yankee fan, but I can’t ever recall a team having more guys go down with muscle pull type injuries within spring training and April only before.
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I would say that is a fair point, inordinate amount
of injuries for one baseball team. I can't recall this many either.
variety (Andujar), or injury prone guys getting predictably injured (Tulo, Bird), at what point does it become reasonable to question what’s going on with the Yanks strength and conditioning program?
Maybe I have tunnel vision as a Yankee fan, but I can’t ever recall a team having more guys go down with muscle pull type injuries within spring training and April only before.
That point was probably last week. But on we go
Is it my imagination or do the Yankees play better... Â
variety (Andujar), or injury prone guys getting predictably injured (Tulo, Bird), at what point does it become reasonable to question what’s going on with the Yanks strength and conditioning program?
Maybe I have tunnel vision as a Yankee fan, but I can’t ever recall a team having more guys go down with muscle pull type injuries within spring training and April only before.
That point was probably last week. But on we go
God bless guys like Frazier and Tauchman making the most of getting their shot
RE: Is it my imagination or do the Yankees play better... Â
-We are 10-10 despite all the injuries
-The Sox are having a terrible year
-The injuries have allowed Frazier to show his stuff
-Sanchez and Stanton should hopefully be back soon
Let's assume we aren't talking about a wall-scraper, but the ball is a no-doubter headed to the upper deck. The LFer, figuring he has nothing to lose, leaps with his glove in the air nonetheless before the ball crosses the invisible plane some 30ft above him. The elbow of a cheering fan inadvertently scrapes the LFer's glove in the process, which by definition, is fan interference.
Do we call the batter out in this situation?
If the stadiums are going to be designed to allow possible fan interference, than that’s on the MLB/owners.
Of course this is also true. Have to say up until that play, the fans have not been reaching on those wall scrapers.
Let's assume we aren't talking about a wall-scraper, but the ball is a no-doubter headed to the upper deck. The LFer, figuring he has nothing to lose, leaps with his glove in the air nonetheless before the ball crosses the invisible plane some 30ft above him. The elbow of a cheering fan inadvertently scrapes the LFer's glove in the process, which by definition, is fan interference.
Do we call the batter out in this situation?
How did the fan interfere with that play in your example? Ball was in the upper deck.
I said the same exact thing. The fun continues...
Brutal.
Talk me off the ledge here.
Talk me off the ledge here.
Take your parachute....does not look good - even if idle speculation.
Only way we can stay afloat is we get continued success out of Torres, Tauch and Frazier.
Just nauseating. Most teams would be looking to pack it up. Might need to play some small ball right now.
My point is that you have to take into account whether or not the ball would have been caught. In this case the LFer was at the top of his leap when the fan interfered. It was close, but that ball was just out of his reach. Considering the ruling on the field was a HR, I think they were wrong to overturn it.
My point is that you have to take into account whether or not the ball would have been caught. In this case the LFer was at the top of his leap when the fan interfered. It was close, but that ball was just out of his reach. Considering the ruling on the field was a HR, I think they were wrong to overturn it.
Now you are being obstinate. Clearly proximity to the play is important.
I don't think Gordon would have missed that and if he did it was a homer as he was over the wall. But the fan not only touched the ball in the field of play (reached over the wall) but hit Gordon's glove. If you don't think that is interference, then you you will never be convinced.
I also think fatboy West was wrong last year in the ALCS calling Altuve out when the fan only touched the ball after it passed the boundary of the wall.
Nasty, but true. In both cases they are excused by their hoped-for value as hitters. They shouldn't be IMHO.
My point is that you have to take into account whether or not the ball would have been caught. In this case the LFer was at the top of his leap when the fan interfered. It was close, but that ball was just out of his reach. Considering the ruling on the field was a HR, I think they were wrong to overturn it.
You CANNOT assume Gordon doesnt make that play. That is absurd. Yes, I think the ball goes over his mitt, but the fan prevented Gordon from a legit chance at a play.
Now, if you wanted to say that it did not fulfill the indisputable evidence requirement for reversing the call, sure.
They should forget the rehab game. He is either ready to play or he isn't. Just activate him tomorrow.
Let's assume we aren't talking about a wall-scraper, but the ball is a no-doubter headed to the upper deck. The LFer, figuring he has nothing to lose, leaps with his glove in the air nonetheless before the ball crosses the invisible plane some 30ft above him. The elbow of a cheering fan inadvertently scrapes the LFer's glove in the process, which by definition, is fan interference.
Do we call the batter out in this situation?
Umm no, your premise and definition are wrong. The fielder has to be making a play on the ball for there to be any chance of interference being called. He's not making a play on a ball hit in the upper deck.
Now the fan might get tossed for making contact with a player depending on security and the home team's policies but that's about it.
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returns Wednesday. Article this morning said he is ready for a rehab game tomorrow, but SWB doesn't play, so he will rehab Monday, if all goes well he will fly west to meet up with the team Tuesday, and play Wednesday. Stanton and Tulo sound like they are still a couple of weeks away, Hicks may be restarting Spring Training soon, and Florial had his cast remove Wednesday and should resume baseball activities after next weekend. Migi is a wild card, sounds like he is hitting and throwing some, but with his injury how long can he hold up if activated?
They should forget the rehab game. He is either ready to play or he isn't. Just activate him tomorrow.
The advantage of a rehab game is also for those playing in place of Gary. I know today won’t always happen but these backups are getting a ton of experience and that matters. It also mitigates having to pull Sanchez after 1 at bat for not feeling right and having to go to your bench in the first inning.
I’m fine letting the backups get another crack whole Gary makes a quick rehab stint.
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The LFer leaps for the ball 30ft over his head, and by chance, the elbow of a celebrating fan grazes the LFer's glove. It's technically interference, because the player's glove has been hit before the ball breaks the imaginary plane.
My point is that you have to take into account whether or not the ball would have been caught. In this case the LFer was at the top of his leap when the fan interfered. It was close, but that ball was just out of his reach. Considering the ruling on the field was a HR, I think they were wrong to overturn it.
You CANNOT assume Gordon doesnt make that play. That is absurd. Yes, I think the ball goes over his mitt, but the fan prevented Gordon from a legit chance at a play.
Now, if you wanted to say that it did not fulfill the indisputable evidence requirement for reversing the call, sure.
The advantage of a rehab game is also for those playing in place of Gary. I know today won’t always happen but these backups are getting a ton of experience and that matters. It also mitigates having to pull Sanchez after 1 at bat for not feeling right and having to go to your bench in the first inning.
I’m fine letting the backups get another crack whole Gary makes a quick rehab stint.
The only backup getting experience in place of Gary is Higgy and we know what he can do.
You are right of course it is just to see if Gary can play a full game before sending Higgy down. If Gary wasn't right and Higgy had been sent down they wouldn't be ablet to recall him for 10 days, I think.
My point is that you have to take into account whether or not the ball would have been caught. In this case the LFer was at the top of his leap when the fan interfered. It was close, but that ball was just out of his reach. Considering the ruling on the field was a HR, I think they were wrong to overturn it.
Maybe I have tunnel vision as a Yankee fan, but I can’t ever recall a team having more guys go down with muscle pull type injuries within spring training and April only before.
1B - Bird
2B - Tulo
SS - Didi
3B - Andujar
LF - Stanton
CF - Hicks
RF - Judge
C - Sanchez
P - Severino
Plus one of their better relievers in Betances.
That's a helluva lineup and I've never seen so many starters go down at the same theme.
They need to just somehow stay within striking distance until guys start coming back. A lot is gonna fall on the pitching staff for now but if they all hang tough, hopefully we can stay afloat and not lose the season before it even gets going.
Maybe I have tunnel vision as a Yankee fan, but I can’t ever recall a team having more guys go down with muscle pull type injuries within spring training and April only before.
I would say that is a fair point, inordinate amount
of injuries for one baseball team. I can't recall this many either.
Maybe I have tunnel vision as a Yankee fan, but I can’t ever recall a team having more guys go down with muscle pull type injuries within spring training and April only before.
That point was probably last week. But on we go
...when someone else NOT named Gary Sanchez is behind the plate?
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variety (Andujar), or injury prone guys getting predictably injured (Tulo, Bird), at what point does it become reasonable to question what’s going on with the Yanks strength and conditioning program?
Maybe I have tunnel vision as a Yankee fan, but I can’t ever recall a team having more guys go down with muscle pull type injuries within spring training and April only before.
That point was probably last week. But on we go
God bless guys like Frazier and Tauchman making the most of getting their shot
...when someone else NOT named Gary Sanchez is behind the plate?
meh, your imagination me thinks....
...when someone else NOT named Gary Sanchez is behind the plate?
He was producing when healthy so, yeah, imagination.
Maybe they never got the Red Sox jersey out of the concrete when the stadiums was being built?
-The Sox are having a terrible year
-The injuries have allowed Frazier to show his stuff
-Sanchez and Stanton should hopefully be back soon
He was hit on his hand with a pitch last year....
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Judge getting injured two seasons in a row isn't something I like, either. Hope that doesn't become a thing for him.
He was hit on his hand with a pitch last year....
best to ignore this...