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Daniel Jones May Be the QB Prospect You Love to Hate but...

Emil : 4/20/2019 12:39 pm
Also the One You Need.

Good article. Not saying the Giants should pick him. But as I posted last night, there are many reasons nfl scouts are higher on him than draft prognosticators.

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Old-school NFL types hear "safe" prospect and think, oh good, he'll show up for practice on time, throw spirals and not get me fired for selecting him.

Cool-kid draftniks hear "safe" and think, ugh, another mediocre quarterback who will get a bunch of chances because he "looks the part" and will max out as, at best, another Kirk Cousins or Andy Dalton.

Danielle Jones is the Quesadilla of the draft - ( New Window )
Pass on Danielle Jones...  
GFAN52 : 4/20/2019 12:42 pm : link
and Daniel Jones as well.
Ha  
santacruzom : 4/20/2019 12:43 pm : link
The "chicken quesadilla" of the draft... that's a perfectly universal comparison.
Dalton and Cousins Suck  
Giants38 : 4/20/2019 12:49 pm : link
They are not successful. They have no playoff wins. They choke in big games. Is that really the guy you're looking to lead your franchise?
I was orginally very down on Jones  
SirYesSir : 4/20/2019 12:51 pm : link
he looks the part, but his completion numbers were bad, mediocre arm etc...

But here's the deal, he's growing on me because
--he's more athletic/mobile than I thought
--he's a competitor that got Duke to 8 wins in the ACC with little talent around him
--Speaking of talent, those completion numbers would look a lot better with a halfway decent line and wr's with better hands
--very few qb's come out of college as sure things ala John Elway or Andrew Luck. Everyone has issues.

if the team likes him, I'm on board. 6 seems high but only because we've been reading rankings by people for 4 months that have no idea how the league is really thinking. They are generally correct, but will have huge mistakes in their "consensus" rankings. Same thing every year.

IF THEY LOVE HIM, I would guess they would take their favorite defensive player at 6 and trade up from 17 to get ahead of Washington and Miami just in case
The amount  
Josh in the City : 4/20/2019 12:56 pm : link
Of people trying to convince themselves that Daniel Jones is going to be a good QB is truly pathetic.
Interesting and entertaining post.  
TMS : 4/20/2019 12:57 pm : link
would like to see Jones be a Giants pick. But do not think they will take him at #6. It seems he would fit very well as ELI's replacement when the time comes.. DG is after defense at #6 as he should be. Think Jones will be gone by #17.
Is Jones that safe?  
AdamBrag : 4/20/2019 12:58 pm : link
He wasn't that good in college.

I get it if you're talking about Ryan Finley, but Jones is a closer prospect to Josh Allen was last year. You need to try to look past his low completion percentage, his low adjusted completion percentage, and how he looked under pressure (terrible) and hope he's a much better NFL QB.
RE: The amount  
SirYesSir : 4/20/2019 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14395066 Josh in the City said:
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Of people trying to convince themselves that Daniel Jones is going to be a good QB is truly pathetic.


Josh, you'll excuse me for not bowing down to your knowledge of the future, and I'm sure you can provide evidence of your accurate predictions of nfl qb prospects over the last 10 years...otherwise, one might think you were just a dork on the internet with an opinion who speaks like they know everything...
RE: The amount  
Giants38 : 4/20/2019 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14395066 Josh in the City said:
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Of people trying to convince themselves that Daniel Jones is going to be a good QB is truly pathetic.


This is what happens when people think a player is going to be the selection. Last year, people were split between QB and Barkley 50/50. Once it became apparent Barkley was going to be the pick, the vote jumped to 75/25 in favor of Barkley.

When the Redskins traded up for RG3, fans were worried the Colts might select him and they would get Luck. It's how it works. Fans get on board with the narrative.
My apologies to Daniel Jones  
Emil : 4/20/2019 1:09 pm : link
That was not a Bill Parcels vs Terry Glenn moment
RE: The amount  
Emil : 4/20/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14395066 Josh in the City said:
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Of people trying to convince themselves that Daniel Jones is going to be a good QB is truly pathetic.


So you are entitled to your opinion, even if you show a complete unwillingness to change it, even slightly. But if I understand you correctly, you are effectively calling Gil Brandt pathetic? Different opinions doesnít equal pathetic my friend.
I think this article was a cold dose of reality.....  
Reb8thVA : 4/20/2019 1:17 pm : link
That the odds of finding another Eli Manning or franchise QB are against us unless we finish poorly in a year that is a QB rich class like 2004. Itís just not that easy.

I think one of the more insightful ideas in this article and perhaps the most applicable is this

ďthe Bears built a smart offense and great defense around him, and now they are legitimate Super Bowl contenders. (Although, come to think of it, the Bears were wild-card disappointments last year. But you get the idea.)Ē

In the absence of a true franchise talent the best strategy may be to pick someone you believe is the best leader and positions you to succeed. Build an offense around the teamís strengths and minimize the weaknesses. Build a solid defense and go from there. Not exactly earth shattering but it is reality.

As for Jones, I donít know what to think. Iíve always thought evaluating a QB is a crapshoot because the deciding factors between greatness and mediocrity are often mental not physical. Those things are always hard to measure.
If Shurmur likey,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/20/2019 1:19 pm : link
I likey
RE: RE: The amount  
Emil : 4/20/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14395081 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14395066 Josh in the City said:


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Of people trying to convince themselves that Daniel Jones is going to be a good QB is truly pathetic.



This is what happens when people think a player is going to be the selection. Last year, people were split between QB and Barkley 50/50. Once it became apparent Barkley was going to be the pick, the vote jumped to 75/25 in favor of Barkley.

When the Redskins traded up for RG3, fans were worried the Colts might select him and they would get Luck. It's how it works. Fans get on board with the narrative.


Iím not buying into any narrative but what I believe is this.

- there are two sides to every coin and QB is such a nuanced evaluation that many takes become valid.

- fit matters. Drew Brees fits Sean Payton but would not fit Bruce Arians

- Playing in NY is a different beast, so demeanor matters a great deal here.

- As important as QB is in this league, it gets over rated by fans. Case Keenum had a better record with the Vikings than Kirk Cousins. No one thinks Keenum is better. The Eagles lone super bowl winning QB is Nick Files who despite his heroics is limited. Brady won last year but it was his worst statistical year since his early years in the league. You donít need the next Andrew Luck to win (who still has not made a super bowl) you need the guy who can lead your team, execute what you want to do, and makes the right decisions at the right times.

This is still a team game. QB just happens to be the most important piece.
RE: The amount  
djm : 4/20/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14395066 Josh in the City said:
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Of people trying to convince themselves that Daniel Jones is going to be a good QB is truly pathetic.


Oh pipe down. There are real life scouts and nfl people who (probably) love jones. But because you read some bs online rag and watched YouTube clips in between youporn dalliances we are supposed to believe your bullshit?
ESPN guys take  
UberAlias : 4/20/2019 1:23 pm : link
On Jones
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RE: RE: The amount  
pjcas18 : 4/20/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14395081 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14395066 Josh in the City said:


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Of people trying to convince themselves that Daniel Jones is going to be a good QB is truly pathetic.



This is what happens when people think a player is going to be the selection. Last year, people were split between QB and Barkley 50/50. Once it became apparent Barkley was going to be the pick, the vote jumped to 75/25 in favor of Barkley.

When the Redskins traded up for RG3, fans were worried the Colts might select him and they would get Luck. It's how it works. Fans get on board with the narrative.


this is not true, not even revisionist history.

nearly everyone who had an opinion thought Barkley would be a star RB for a long time.

Only some people didn't want the Giants to draft him because they preferred a QB or the mythical "trade down and fill a lot of holes"

there was no change in people who thought Barkley would be good. It was practically unanimous.
I don't hate Jones...  
bw in dc : 4/20/2019 1:35 pm : link
I think he's an interesting prospect that's going to take 2-3 years to groom. And he'd be better suited for a southeast or west based team with a warm climate. Or indoors.

So, to me, he's more project than a guarantee. And that equals a second day value.
RE: My apologies to Daniel Jones  
ColHowPepper : 4/20/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14395090 Emil said:
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That was not a Bill Parcels vs Terry Glenn moment
Ha I see what you did there, you took it back from Bill. Did you mean to? (:
I think the Giants  
FrankieR : 4/20/2019 1:48 pm : link
would take him at 6 if Quinnen and Allen are gone. I think those are the only automatics at that draft slot. A lot would have to happen for either to slip. This also obviously assumes that Bosa is gone there. I really think they like Jones and want Eli's successor. There are other players that can make an impact at 17 and 37. 95 can be packaged with 4ths and 5ths to move up.

The only way I would be cool with the Giants trading up is if Allen or Q fall to us. But if what has been predicted to happen 1-5 (Murray, Bosa, Allen, Q, White) happens, I think the Giants should take their QB at 6. There will be a ton of very good players at 17 like Bush, Ferrell, Wilkins, Lawrence, Bradbury, several of the OTs, Ferguson...no reason to burn picks unless you can get an absolute star at 6. And I have a feeling the only player that fits that bill is Q.
RE: RE: The amount  
PatersonPlank : 4/20/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14395112 djm said:
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In comment 14395066 Josh in the City said:


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Of people trying to convince themselves that Daniel Jones is going to be a good QB is truly pathetic.



Oh pipe down. There are real life scouts and nfl people who (probably) love jones. But because you read some bs online rag and watched YouTube clips in between youporn dalliances we are supposed to believe your bullshit?


LOL
Dave Brown part deux  
micky : 4/20/2019 1:59 pm : link
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RE: Dave Brown part deux  
FrankieR : 4/20/2019 2:14 pm : link
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I don't know about Jones,  
DonQuixote : 4/20/2019 2:26 pm : link
but that was one hell of an annoying article.
I think Jones is going to be better than many here expect  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2019 2:32 pm : link
I am not saying he will be the next Rodgers but I am confident that he will be much better than Dalton. I see a more mobile Eli but playing with a Barkley will make him look even better.
Theres some merit to the article  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/20/2019 2:44 pm : link
In that it correctly hits on the viewpoint of NFL teams being highly risk averse.

But the theme of the article seem to be no different than the general opinion of Jones: hes not especially good.
RE: If Shurmur likey,  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/20/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14395109 Big Blue '56 said:
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I likey


You must have been the driving instructor that gave Lauletta his license in the first place
Very depressing  
oldutican : 4/20/2019 3:01 pm : link
Most convicing thing Iíve seen that Giants will take Jones. Had my doubts all along they would want a black QB, so take the safe white guy.
RE: I think Jones is going to be better than many here expect  
FrankieR : 4/20/2019 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14395224 Jay on the Island said:
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I am not saying he will be the next Rodgers but I am confident that he will be much better than Dalton. I see a more mobile Eli but playing with a Barkley will make him look even better.


The Eli comparison is valid and why I picked him as my favorite mid season last year. He has that exact same calmness about him that Eli has that the fans all hate, but that we will love in big games. He wont throw up shocking regular seadon numbers most likely, but when you need drives and a steely presence down the stretch, he will do that. He looks more engaging with teammates than Eli, and that trumps any knock on his arm to me. He also is a threat to take off for more than 10 yards. He has quicks, size and toughness.

I really hope they draft him and cant wait to read the backpedaling on BBI.
RE: Very depressing  
FrankieR : 4/20/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14395282 oldutican said:
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Most convicing thing Iíve seen that Giants will take Jones. Had my doubts all along they would want a black QB, so take the safe white guy.


You sould like an old fucking racist jerk from Utica.
RE: RE: If Shurmur likey,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/20/2019 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14395281 CromartiesKid21 said:
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In comment 14395109 Big Blue '56 said:


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I likey



You must have been the driving instructor that gave Lauletta his license in the first place


Huge difference between a 4th round project pick and a projected high first rounder.
RE: Dave Brown part deux  
djm : 4/20/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14395163 micky said:
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Face down our fears. What better way than to draft another #17 from Duke...

Christ, even just saying it out loud gives me the heeby jeebies...

That said, jones is no Brown. Although even the names are strikingly similar....
RE: RE: The amount  
FranchiseQB : 4/20/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14395112 djm said:
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Of people trying to convince themselves that Daniel Jones is going to be a good QB is truly pathetic.



Oh pipe down. There are real life scouts and nfl people who (probably) love jones. But because you read some bs online rag and watched YouTube clips in between youporn dalliances we are supposed to believe your bullshit?


hahaha.. that's pretty good. If the Giants love Jones they're taking him with #6. Beats the hell out of me too whether this kid is good or not. I haven't even seen him play. We all want a QB that can sling it deep with accuracy and authority but who is to say this kid can't be the next superstar? If the Giants love him then obviously they think so. It would be exciting if they drafted the kid with conviction thinking he could be great.
RE: Very depressing  
GiantGrit : 4/20/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14395282 oldutican said:
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Most convicing thing Iíve seen that Giants will take Jones. Had my doubts all along they would want a black QB, so take the safe white guy.


Considering the Giants had a black GM who had the responsibility of bringing in the players, which is kind of a big fucking job, i highly doubt skin color will be a determining factor for choosing the next quarterback. Also look up the Giants roster from 2007, you'll find Anthony Wright was on it. This was a horrible post. Be better.
RE: Dave Brown part deux  
PetesHereNow : 4/20/2019 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14395163 micky said:
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Literally all that Daniel Jones has in common with Dave Brown is the initial of their first name, a last name that is common in this country, his position and his alma mater.

Is Saquan Barkley the same as Blair Thomas or KiJana Carter?
RE: RE: Very depressing  
oldutican : 4/20/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14395350 GiantGrit said:
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Most convicing thing Iíve seen that Giants will take Jones. Had my doubts all along they would want a black QB, so take the safe white guy.



Considering the Giants had a black GM who had the responsibility of bringing in the players, which is kind of a big fucking job, i highly doubt skin color will be a determining factor for choosing the next quarterback. Also look up the Giants roster from 2007, you'll find Anthony Wright was on it. This was a horrible post. Be better.


Sorry, but there is a big difference between being GM and a backup QB and being the successor to Eli as QB and face of the Giants. I think it is naive to believe race is no factor in whether to take Haskins. I hope it wonít be, but from everything Iíve read about these QB prospects, I am dumbfounded they would take Jones over Haskins. This article, though somewhat tongue in cheek, is a good take on the Giant mgt and fan culture. Again, hope I am proved wrong and they take Haskins.
This stuff about NFL Scouts is partially BS  
giantstock : 4/20/2019 4:13 pm : link
OFc there are some have him higher but do we know the qty? No. And other NFL Scouts not as high on Jones as some BBI posters are.

Further, as I pointed out in another thread -- Rosen was loved by many scouts last year and went 12th. Yet possibly because some BBI posters dont; like him they want to quote as if Jones is so high on boards yet ignore that Rosen is probably higher with those same analysts.
Rosen is not wanted by the Giants  
TMS : 4/20/2019 5:29 pm : link
it appears. But the beat goes on. Talk about a lobby in action. Glad when it is over draft day.
RE: Rosen is not wanted by the Giants  
giantstock : 4/20/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14395505 TMS said:
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it appears. But the beat goes on. Talk about a lobby in action. Glad when it is over draft day.


It doesn't matter if the GMEn don;t want him or not. It;s the point of "should they" vs Jones?

Just drawing a comparison between he and Jones. You can;t go saying in one breath that you got to trust the experts such "Gil Brandt's analysis" of Jones then in the other dismiss it when it comes to Rosen when it's for example the same "Gil Brandt" telling you Rosen was a stud.

I'm fine wiht Jones as a 2nd rd pick (I wouldn;t do it. Though IMO Jones is being over-hyped on here vs other QB's - INCLUDING Rosen. That's all.
RE: Rosen is not wanted by the Giants  
giantstock : 4/20/2019 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14395505 TMS said:
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it appears. But the beat goes on. Talk about a lobby in action. Glad when it is over draft day.


I didn't mean "you" personally or anyone in particular.
RE: RE: RE: Very depressing  
GiantGrit : 4/20/2019 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14395385 oldutican said:
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I think it is naive to believe race is no factor in whether to take Haskins.


please watch and take notes
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bw  
BigBlueCane : 4/20/2019 7:32 pm : link
Jackson is a project, Jones is not.
RE: RE: Very depressing  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/20/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14395289 FrankieR said:
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Most convicing thing Iíve seen that Giants will take Jones. Had my doubts all along they would want a black QB, so take the safe white guy.



You sould like an old fucking racist jerk from Utica.


I think you have misread his comment. He is suggesting that the Maras are racist.
Bottom line is the the guys we hired to make these decisions  
TMS : 4/20/2019 9:38 pm : link
make those decisions period. You want to call them racists or dumb or what ever . Think about it and get a life. MO.
# 17 jersey  
Simms : 4/20/2019 9:54 pm : link
I cringe at the thought of that number. Ken Graham almost did it for me for jersey # 10 .... wanted eli to wear # 8.
Emil  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/20/2019 10:05 pm : link
Regardless of how one feels about Jones, that is an OUTSTANDING article.

Thanks for sharing.
RE: Emil  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/20/2019 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14395744 Eric from BBI said:
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Regardless of how one feels about Jones, that is an OUTSTANDING article.

Thanks for sharing.


I can't call this an "outstanding article" when it includes this quote... "For all his limitations, Jones would provide a quick upgrade over the desiccating husks of Joe Flacco in Denver or Eli Manning in New York. That's just an asinine hyperbolic statement. And that's coming from someone who didn't care at all when Geno Smith replaced Eli.

Oh, and I'd like to compete for championships, so Andy Dalton-like competence isn't exactly the ceiling I'm looking for from a first round draft pick.
RE: Emil  
Emil : 4/21/2019 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14395744 Eric from BBI said:
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Regardless of how one feels about Jones, that is an OUTSTANDING article.

Thanks for sharing.


Thanks Eric. Iím a sucker for anything that uses food as an analogy.
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