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IF Jones is the pick at 6..

GGGmen : 4/20/2019 9:52 pm
Can we assume that a top defender(Sweat, White, etc) will be on board as well as Haskins and Lock?

DG has to make every attempt to trade down. I Know you need a partner..surely one of Denver, Cincy or Miami could be inticed into moving up..even if we don’t get great value and extra 2 or 3 would help.

We all want the Giants to love the QB they take..take him at 6 and not 17. In this scenario take the risk and move down.I just don’t want to hear ‘you don’t get cute’, ‘or ‘no guts no glory’, etc.

If those two QBs are on the board there is a very minimal chance of Jones going before them. At 10-13 you should be able to land him. The extra draft capital can be flipped into another 1st with our 2nd or for Future picks.

Do you take Jones at 6 if he is our guy or roll the dice? I see the extra draft pick(s) plus a consolation prize of Bush, Burns or someone dropping would be enough for me to move.

I still think the value is in Haskins or D at 6.
Jones  
AcidTest : 4/20/2019 10:15 pm : link
could easily go before Haskins and Lock, certainly the former.

If the Giants want Jones, they won't risk losing him just to get an extra draft pick. Aside from Allen or Q. Williams, there isn't a single player I wouldn't risk losing at #6 to get an extra #2. That extra #2 could then be used to trade up from #17 for Jones, although I hope they don't.

I'd be stunned if the Giants took a QB at #6. It's defense or a trade down.
RE: Jones  
JohnB : 4/20/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14395747 AcidTest said:
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I'd be stunned if the Giants took a QB at #6. It's defense or a trade down.


So would I. The defense is SO bad, they need someone on the DLine far more than they need someone to back up Eli. This defense is going to be brutally bad if they don't get a truck load of talent real soon.
RE: RE: Jones  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2019 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14395750 JohnB said:
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In comment 14395747 AcidTest said:


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I'd be stunned if the Giants took a QB at #6. It's defense or a trade down.



So would I. The defense is SO bad, they need someone on the DLine far more than they need someone to back up Eli. This defense is going to be brutally bad if they don't get a truck load of talent real soon.

You do not draft for need. Now obviously they won't take a RB if he is BPA but if the Giants feel that Jones is the long term answer at QB then they would be foolish to not take him unless a player like Quinnen Williams, Josh Allen, or Nick Bosa fall to 6. Then they should grab one of them and then trade up from 17 to get Jones.
if jones  
FranchiseQB : 4/21/2019 12:29 am : link
is the pick at 6 it must be because they think he has a chance to become a superstar. So yea, you don't get cute with a kid you feel can be a superstar. It is likely another team feels the same way. He may not even be there at 6 if the Giants are right about him.

Me? I have no idea whether Jones is or not.
My thoughts  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 12:29 am : link
This draft is loaded with defense. Absolutely loaded - and deep. This is not a top heavy class (obviously I’d love a shot at Allen or Q Williams ... this is why I root for losses during meaningless wins - draft position/long term success).

If they are “sold” on a future QB, this draft is so deep that a QB at 6 could still land them a stud day-1 starter on defense at 17.

I hope QB isn’t even in play in the 1st round, but I’m preparing myself for a Daniel Jones @ 6 pick followed by the inevitable meltdown on here and media vitriol.

Once Allen/Bosa/Williams are off the board, the D prospects plateau and OL/TE also come into play. They’ll have a shot at a great player at 17, hopefully they don’t reach on a QB at 6. I have a bad feeling it’s Jones at 6 - followed by the inevitable ridicule we have to take while hoping for the best

There is no QB worth the 6th overall pick. None.
RE: My thoughts  
Giants38 : 4/21/2019 1:06 am : link
In comment 14395803 GothamGiants said:
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This draft is loaded with defense. Absolutely loaded - and deep. This is not a top heavy class (obviously I’d love a shot at Allen or Q Williams ... this is why I root for losses during meaningless wins - draft position/long term success).

If they are “sold” on a future QB, this draft is so deep that a QB at 6 could still land them a stud day-1 starter on defense at 17.

I hope QB isn’t even in play in the 1st round, but I’m preparing myself for a Daniel Jones @ 6 pick followed by the inevitable meltdown on here and media vitriol.

Once Allen/Bosa/Williams are off the board, the D prospects plateau and OL/TE also come into play. They’ll have a shot at a great player at 17, hopefully they don’t reach on a QB at 6. I have a bad feeling it’s Jones at 6 - followed by the inevitable ridicule we have to take while hoping for the best

There is no QB worth the 6th overall pick. None.


Well, I agree with you on Jones. I do think Haskins and Murray are well worth it at 6, but to each his own. What’s clear is this is a very divisive draft, just as last year was. Going to be interested to see how it turns out.

I will say this: I wholeheartedly believe 4 QBs will go in the top 15. It’s not rocket science. If the Giants want a QB and don’t take one at 6, they are going to have to give up a pick - or picks - to get one. Our third rounder is very late in the third and may not be enough to get it done.

All that is to say that if the Giants want a QB, they better pick the guy at 6.
RE: My thoughts  
Giants38 : 4/21/2019 1:08 am : link
In comment 14395803 GothamGiants said:
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This draft is loaded with defense. Absolutely loaded - and deep. This is not a top heavy class (obviously I’d love a shot at Allen or Q Williams ... this is why I root for losses during meaningless wins - draft position/long term success).

If they are “sold” on a future QB, this draft is so deep that a QB at 6 could still land them a stud day-1 starter on defense at 17.

I hope QB isn’t even in play in the 1st round, but I’m preparing myself for a Daniel Jones @ 6 pick followed by the inevitable meltdown on here and media vitriol.

Once Allen/Bosa/Williams are off the board, the D prospects plateau and OL/TE also come into play. They’ll have a shot at a great player at 17, hopefully they don’t reach on a QB at 6. I have a bad feeling it’s Jones at 6 - followed by the inevitable ridicule we have to take while hoping for the best

There is no QB worth the 6th overall pick. None.


Well, I agree with you on Jones. I do think Haskins and Murray are well worth it at 6, but to each his own. What’s clear is this is a very divisive draft, just as last year was. Going to be interested to see how it turns out.

I will say this: I wholeheartedly believe 4 QBs will go in the top 15. It’s not rocket science. If the Giants want a QB and don’t take one at 6, they are going to have to give up a pick - or picks - to get one. Our third rounder is very late in the third and may not be enough to get it done.

All that is to say that if the Giants want a QB, they better pick the guy at 6.
Bengals apparently love Haskins(played in their backyard at Ohio St)  
Torrag : 4/21/2019 1:44 am : link
A trade down to #11 would make sense IF we don't covet a QB at #6 ourselves. The concern is we already have 12 picks including multiples in Rounds 4(2)/5(3)/7(2). I'd target their 2nd Round pick(#42 overall) we'd have to return #95/180 to get that slot but it would be worth it. I'd settle for their 3rd(#72) this year and their 3rd next year.

First scenario we'd have 11 picks at:

11
17
37
42
108
132
142
143
171
2- 7th's

**2nd scenario 13 picks in 2019/2020 3rd rounder
11
17
37
72
95
108
132
142
142
171
180
2- 7th's
Do people really believe that a top 5 percent defensive lineman  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 4/21/2019 2:46 am : link
is worth just as much as a top 5 percent quarterback?

Assuming that you have neither, the QB is always a higher priority since he's the player who has the most effect on winning or losing the game and he is supposed to be your starter for 10-12 years.
RE: Do people really believe that a top 5 percent defensive lineman  
JohnB : 4/21/2019 3:33 am : link
In comment 14395829 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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is worth just as much as a top 5 percent quarterback?

Assuming that you have neither, the QB is always a higher priority since he's the player who has the most effect on winning or losing the game and he is supposed to be your starter for 10-12 years.


"Assuming you have neither"..... The Giants have a decent QB and no defense at all.
Around and around, we go  
George from PA : 4/21/2019 3:43 am : link
Thursday, can't come soon enough.

I rather not spend the 6th pick for a QB, as defense is where they will find bpa.

But if they do

He must be a franchise QB, who lead 4th qtr comebacks, drive for winning TDs in Super Bowls
I can't believe we have 12 picks this year .....  
short lease : 4/21/2019 3:46 am : link
I just read an article that said something like - the teams who have success draft well and they draft well because they stock-pile picks. It said that EVERY team makes bad picks (busts) - so the more picks you have, the more you increase your chances of getting good players - no matter what round.

"The smart teams have figured that out".
If they take a QB ....  
short lease : 4/21/2019 4:09 am : link
which I DO NOT THINK they will, I think I like Jones the best. Not into those great athlete/scramblers. That style just doesn't seem to work well in the NFL imo anyway. There is a couple of guys you can bring up to prove me wrong but, not on the average.

Give me a 6'4" or 6'5" 215 - 225 lbs pocket passer with ice water in his veins any day.


Some highlights - - ( New Window )
Jones at 6  
Joey in VA : 4/21/2019 6:13 am : link
Would shock me based on what I have heard.
RE: Jones at 6  
aimrocky : 4/21/2019 7:05 am : link
In comment 14395848 Joey in VA said:
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Would shock me based on what I have heard.


Have you heard anything else on Rosen? You had mentioned the Giants were looking into him.
RE: RE: Jones at 6  
Big Blue '56 : 4/21/2019 7:40 am : link
In comment 14395851 aimrocky said:
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In comment 14395848 Joey in VA said:


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Would shock me based on what I have heard.



Have you heard anything else on Rosen? You had mentioned the Giants were looking into him.


I’ll say this, if DG and Shurmur feel Rosen is a solid fit, that would sure as hell free us up to do some serious “damage” in round 1, imv
RE: Bengals apparently love Haskins(played in their backyard at Ohio St)  
Blue21 : 4/21/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14395825 Torrag said:
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A trade down to #11 would make sense IF we don't covet a QB at #6 ourselves. The concern is we already have 12 picks including multiples in Rounds 4(2)/5(3)/7(2). I'd target their 2nd Round pick(#42 overall) we'd have to return #95/180 to get that slot but it would be worth it. I'd settle for their 3rd(#72) this year and their 3rd next year.

First scenario we'd have 11 picks at:

11
17
37
42
108
132
142
143
171
2- 7th's

**2nd scenario 13 picks in 2019/2020 3rd rounder
11
17
37
72
95
108
132
142
142
171
180
2- 7th's



This would be interesting. They would probably take Jones at 11 and go D and O line with next three picks.
Oh and I think I'd prefer option #2  
Blue21 : 4/21/2019 9:59 am : link
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RE: Bengals apparently love Haskins(played in their backyard at Ohio St)  
CGiants07 : 4/21/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14395825 Torrag said:
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A trade down to #11 would make sense IF we don't covet a QB at #6 ourselves. The concern is we already have 12 picks including multiples in Rounds 4(2)/5(3)/7(2). I'd target their 2nd Round pick(#42 overall) we'd have to return #95/180 to get that slot but it would be worth it. I'd settle for their 3rd(#72) this year and their 3rd next year.

First scenario we'd have 11 picks at:

11
17
37
42
108
132
142
143
171
2- 7th's

**2nd scenario 13 picks in 2019/2020 3rd rounder
11
17
37
72
95
108
132
142
142
171
180
2- 7th's


for me any trade down at 6 has to start with picks next year so for cincinnati to move to 6 from a 11 id want there 2 next year plus there 3 this year
Nope reading again option #1 please  
Blue21 : 4/21/2019 10:05 am : link
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RE: I can't believe we have 12 picks this year .....  
Johnny5 : 4/21/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14395837 short lease said:
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I just read an article that said something like - the teams who have success draft well and they draft well because they stock-pile picks. It said that EVERY team makes bad picks (busts) - so the more picks you have, the more you increase your chances of getting good players - no matter what round.

"The smart teams have figured that out".

For sure. Tough not to agree with this logic.
I'll be shocked  
JonC : 4/22/2019 7:38 am : link
if they pick Jones at #6.
Its clear to anyone really watching we are going defense at #6  
PatersonPlank : 4/22/2019 10:24 am : link
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RE: I'll be shocked  
GFAN52 : 4/22/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14397149 JonC said:
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if they pick Jones at #6.


Exactly! More likely the Giants fans would view it this way:

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