Does John tell Dany she’s been doodling her nephew Aegon Targaryen?
The inquisition of Jammie Lannister who saves him? Bran? Brienne?
The continuation of the Sansa bitchfest 2019.
Tormund and company arrive at winterfell and let everyone know the shit is about to hit the fan.
Remember no matter where you are or what your doing he’s watching
I believe so to a little more action than just reunions then as the NK arrives the episode ends.
Pretty sure
It has to be, this seasons battle scene is much larger than the battle of the bastards. There is no way they are fitting in Jaimes arrival, the setup, and the battle in 58 minutes. I think the episode will end with the arrival of the walkers at winterfell.
Kind of figured it would be. I’ve been avoiding it all day so far
Yeah this was great, much better than last week.
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Pretty damn good imo. Next week cant come fast enough
Yeah this was great, much better than last week.
Next week I suspect we’ll be looking for a breather lol. Kinda sucks knowing any number of them will be dead next week
Next Sunday can't come fast enough
Next Sunday can't come fast enough
My problem is this episode should have been last weeks. We didn’t need a full episode reunion, we aren’t stupid, we all know what happened last season. They could have hit the ground running and didn’t. It is what it is.
Meanwhile, I love Emilia Clark as a person, but she is an awful actress.
LOL at Tormund still trying to get with Brienne. Also "The things I do for love".
Next week's episode should really move things along.
Cmon. It's been a decade of watching these character arcs. They are building towards a climax next week - I appreciated the send off for so many of these characters. You can wait a week for blood and an Action Jackson movie.
Brienne being knighted assures her death for example. The crypts by the way is not going to be a safe place for these poor souls - first to die next week I'm guessing.
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the GOT version of As the World Turns. Everybody getting together in different groups for sentimental good byes. Most of this was sappy to me. I hope next week we get back to what made GOT great.
Cmon. It's been a decade of watching these character arcs. They are building towards a climax next week - I appreciated the send off for so many of these characters. You can wait a week for blood and an Action Jackson movie.
Brienne being knighted assures her death for example. The crypts by the way is not going to be a safe place for these poor souls - first to die next week I'm guessing.
I liked Jon telling Dany who he is, and I liked the knighting of Brienne. Thats about it. I'll bet $1 that Brienne dies saving Jaime's life next episode.
LOL at Tormund still trying to get with Brienne. Also "The things I do for love".
Next week's episode should really move things along.
I disagree about Arya with how many girls there first time is through rape she chose on her terms plus it shows she has finally reclaimed who she was.
And yes tormond should Knight Brienne many times lol
Very underwhelming so far
Thought the same thing
Meanwhile, I love Emilia Clark as a person, but she is an awful actress.
Both should have been 1 episode. Last week was fun because it was finally back, but it was a waste. This week should have been 80 minutes with 20 minutes of last episode tied into it.
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uncomfortable and unnecessary.
LOL at Tormund still trying to get with Brienne. Also "The things I do for love".
Next week's episode should really move things along.
I disagree about Arya with how many girls there first time is through rape she chose on her terms plus it shows she has finally reclaimed who she was.
And yes tormond should Knight Brienne many times lol
Went into thinking the Jon / Dany baby assumes the throne when this is over but maybe it now ends up Arya / Gendry kid. Though there were no deaths this episode im guessing vegas odds (which have been out there for months) moved a bit tonight.
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But I think Dany is going to meet the same fate as her father. Power corrupted her and she's not going to relinquish it. I think Tyrion will be the queenslayer.
Meanwhile, I love Emilia Clark as a person, but she is an awful actress.
Both should have been 1 episode. Last week was fun because it was finally back, but it was a waste. This week should have been 80 minutes with 20 minutes of last episode tied into it.
They could have handled everything they wanted to get across in half of the last episode and used the rest of it for this slow ass episode.
People complaining about these episodes being too sentimental, try sitting thru all of those seasons of the Walking Dead. That show has no idea how to get it right, GOT was right on the money for me.
People complaining about these episodes being too sentimental, try sitting thru all of those seasons of the Walking Dead. That show has no idea how to get it right, GOT was right on the money for me.
That's why TWD lost half of their audience
I don’t agree at all. Sure, I want to know what happens next. But we don’t need two recap episodes, it was a giant waste. I really liked this episode but it didn’t push anything forward. They should have been combined, it was basically telling us what we already knew, but twice.
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We are all frothing at the mouth to find out what happens after at least a decade now (readers and tv watchers). I suspect when it’s all over this episode is looked back on even more fondly. But right now everyone is just impatient and dying to know what we’ve been building towards.
I don’t agree at all. Sure, I want to know what happens next. But we don’t need two recap episodes, it was a giant waste. I really liked this episode but it didn’t push anything forward. They should have been combined, it was basically telling us what we already knew, but twice.
Outside of a minute and a half dragon ride, last weeks episode wasn’t very wasteful. There are a massive amount of characters that all deserve their moments before the conclusion. 8 seasons now I wouldn’t want that part rushed. Yeah they were slow-ish but this episode particularly was fine. Again, once we know the conclusion I expect season 8 episode 2 to be looked back on as being even better.
These two eps were always going to be appetizers to the main course that will be these next 4 eps. Like I said I enjoyed the appetizers but I’m ready to eat for real. Can’t wait for this next month of epic tv.
People complaining about these episodes being too sentimental, try sitting thru all of those seasons of the Walking Dead. That show has no idea how to get it right, GOT was right on the money for me.
I loved it too those complaining saying all this should of been done last week I’d agree if it was a longer episode but it wasn’t so if they did that it would be like 20 seconds for each thing and people would bitch about that
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Moments, but also some very tense moments. Loved the scene with Dany and Sansa, didn’t see that coming toward the end of their conversation.
People complaining about these episodes being too sentimental, try sitting thru all of those seasons of the Walking Dead. That show has no idea how to get it right, GOT was right on the money for me.
I loved it too those complaining saying all this should of been done last week I’d agree if it was a longer episode but it wasn’t so if they did that it would be like 20 seconds for each thing and people would bitch about that
Yup. There’s just a group of people that insist on being critical every single week and it’s always the same posters. Some sort of hipster coolest guy in the room type stuff to be able to bash the greatest show in television history. I’m guessing by the time it’s all over we’ll be grateful we had these slower moments.
No one cares about incest in the story. It made sense that she cared about him being a threat. Something else needs to come of the story, it can’t just be humans vs walkers then defeating Cersei. Someone will be getting fucked over, something else big has to happen.
Don’t know have a gut feeling she makes it her and pod
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We are all frothing at the mouth to find out what happens after at least a decade now (readers and tv watchers). I suspect when it’s all over this episode is looked back on even more fondly. But right now everyone is just impatient and dying to know what we’ve been building towards.
I don’t agree at all. Sure, I want to know what happens next. But we don’t need two recap episodes, it was a giant waste. I really liked this episode but it didn’t push anything forward. They should have been combined, it was basically telling us what we already knew, but twice.
I disagree, there is so much of a rich history, that I enjoyed most of the conversations and the tense moments before the battle begins. I usually hate that sorta thing, but for me, it works with this show.
Not every conversation was a recap or a reunion, if the writing and acting is good, then I’m okay with it.
LOL at Tormund still trying to get with Brienne. Also "The things I do for love".
Next week's episode should really move things along.
On the contrary, I thought the Arya/Gendry scene was well done. Arya doesn’t want to die a virgin.
My only complaint is that Emilia Clarke can’t act. And it’s painfully obvious in the scene with Sansa. Sooo wooden.
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She's dying next episode
Don’t know have a gut feeling she makes it her and pod
If anything, it tells me Jaimie gets it. Maybe him and Tyrion same ep. It would be too poetic if the same guy who knights her gets killed, made a wigt and then fights her..
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Moments, but also some very tense moments. Loved the scene with Dany and Sansa, didn’t see that coming toward the end of their conversation.
People complaining about these episodes being too sentimental, try sitting thru all of those seasons of the Walking Dead. That show has no idea how to get it right, GOT was right on the money for me.
I loved it too those complaining saying all this should of been done last week I’d agree if it was a longer episode but it wasn’t so if they did that it would be like 20 seconds for each thing and people would bitch about that
Yup. There’s just a group of people that insist on being critical every single week and it’s always the same posters. Some sort of hipster coolest guy in the room type stuff to be able to bash the greatest show in television history. I’m guessing by the time it’s all over we’ll be grateful we had these slower moments.
You need to really get a grip dude. I said I really liked the episode, what else do you want? Yes I’m critical, I think the two should have been combined, shoot me for that opinion. No idea why it bothers you so much. Every week you go to battle with anyone that has a single bad word to say about the show, why do you care?
I gave this episode it’s due, it was really good. So sorry my opinion of the show as of late differs from yours. I can both think a show is great (GoT is) and think they are making some poor choices. It’s not flawless.
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She's dying next episode
Don’t know have a gut feeling she makes it her and pod
If anything, it tells me Jaimie gets it. Maybe him and Tyrion same ep. It would be too poetic if the same guy who knights her gets killed, made a wigt and then fights her..
I don’t know it it’s while the battle is going on or not, but Tyrion’s conversation about death with Jamie made me 100% certain the Bronn is going to ice him with the crossbow.
My father was pissed. He sarcastically blurted out: "What? You don't want to sing another song?"
I nearly spit my mouthful of wine out at how infuriated my 74 year old Dad got. Lol
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Moments, but also some very tense moments. Loved the scene with Dany and Sansa, didn’t see that coming toward the end of their conversation.
People complaining about these episodes being too sentimental, try sitting thru all of those seasons of the Walking Dead. That show has no idea how to get it right, GOT was right on the money for me.
I loved it too those complaining saying all this should of been done last week I’d agree if it was a longer episode but it wasn’t so if they did that it would be like 20 seconds for each thing and people would bitch about that
Yup. There’s just a group of people that insist on being critical every single week and it’s always the same posters. Some sort of hipster coolest guy in the room type stuff to be able to bash the greatest show in television history. I’m guessing by the time it’s all over we’ll be grateful we had these slower moments.
You need to really get a grip dude. I said I really liked the episode, what else do you want? Yes I’m critical, I think the two should have been combined, shoot me for that opinion. No idea why it bothers you so much. Every week you go to battle with anyone that has a single bad word to say about the show, why do you care?
I gave this episode it’s due, it was really good. So sorry my opinion of the show as of late differs from yours. I can both think a show is great (GoT is) and think they are making some poor choices. It’s not flawless.
Fair enough.
What if she turns into an insatiable little skank for the last four? I might never watch tv again.
Really? The plan is to "hold them off" while Bran is a sitting duck? Think of the warfare intelligence in that room. No one had any better ideas? At least have some people argue back and forth on strategy before Bran puts them in their place. And even his part was disappointing. He wants an endless night? We're at season 8, the big battle, and no one even knows what the night king wants? Either we're in for a big twist or its weak writing.
I liked last week too. I get the need for fillers. I didn't even expect death tonight. Just a weird, choppy episode for me.
- noticed Sam & Giddy's kid mentioned a few times tonight. They did send a white walker general after him. Maybe he's important to the story.
(On a side note, how f'ing stupid is it for John to tell Daenerys the truth right before the f'ing battle???)
Haha....Melisandre as an old broad wudnt so fun.
There is a lot of meat on the backstories of these characters, especially for those who have read the books. This isn’t the walking dead, with cliched, one-note characters created or maneuvered just to serve cynical plot points.
Seriously I don’t know that some of you will ever be happy. I would have hated tho watch The Wire with some of you miserable fucks!
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She's dying next episode
Don’t know have a gut feeling she makes it her and pod
If anything, it tells me Jaimie gets it. Maybe him and Tyrion same ep. It would be too poetic if the same guy who knights her gets killed, made a wigt and then fights her..
I don’t know it it’s while the battle is going on or not, but Tyrion’s conversation about death with Jamie made me 100% certain the Bronn is going to ice him with the crossbow.
I don’t see that happening at all. Jamie needs to complete more of the story...
People complaining about these episodes being too sentimental, try sitting thru all of those seasons of the Walking Dead. That show has no idea how to get it right, GOT was right on the money for me.
I really enjoyed the scene with Dany and Sansa too.
I was surprised Jon revealed the secret to Dany before the battle. Why not wait to see if they are still alive.
This episode had no action at all and I didn’t mind. Good dialogue trumps fight scenes for me just about every time.
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She's dying next episode
Don’t know have a gut feeling she makes it her and pod
I think she lives and is the one to add to jammies page that he is more than just a kingslayer
She chugged wine on screen at a Rangers game, I like her
She had an ass like Joeffry, a 14 yr old boy
And if they do a fucking romance between Sansa and Theon...
And who cares if the acting was a little weird in the scene - Arya’s been a brilliant character for 7+ seasons, seeing her get some was awesome.
Perfect spot for Jon’s reveal to Danaerys to get interrupted, but as usual frustrating how he blunders into everything. Also notable how emotionless she was about everything except having competition for the crown.
To be fair, the Targaryens are into inbreeding and incest. They consider themselves superior than everyone else and only fellow Targaryens are worthy mates.
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She's dying next episode
Don’t know have a gut feeling she makes it her and pod
If anything, it tells me Jaimie gets it. Maybe him and Tyrion same ep. It would be too poetic if the same guy who knights her gets killed, made a wigt and then fights her..
I don’t know it it’s while the battle is going on or not, but Tyrion’s conversation about death with Jamie made me 100% certain the Bronn is going to ice him with the crossbow.
I don’t see that happening at all. Jamie needs to complete more of the story...
Sorry. I meant Tyrion is going down at Bronn’s hand (arrow). (Eventually).
I can't imagine Bran will simply serve as bait - he's got a big moment coming.
- noticed Sam & Giddy's kid mentioned a few times tonight. They did send a white walker general after him. Maybe he's important to the story.
If memory serves, at the end of one episode, Gilly's kid's eyes turned light blue to indicate that he was a white walker, but I don't think it was ever followed up on.
The last episode for many....
The big question to me is what happens with Jon and Dany, and who rules.
The big question to me is what happens with Jon and Dany, and who rules.
Really? How else would he go out other than fighting for Winterfell in a battle? I think he was brought back to do just that.
And who cares if the acting was a little weird in the scene - Arya’s been a brilliant character for 7+ seasons, seeing her get some was awesome.
Perfect spot for Jon’s reveal to Danaerys to get interrupted, but as usual frustrating how he blunders into everything. Also notable how emotionless she was about everything except having competition for the crown.
You said it better than I did... it hit on some of the emotional notes episode one whiffed on.
Theon is clearly going to sacrifice himself for the Starks. That's been obvious for a long time.
And I can only think of a few offhand, but the GoT guys aren't shy about having nude scenes with girls that aren't even 21 yet.
And I can only think of a few offhand, but the GoT guys aren't shy about having nude scenes with girls that aren't even 21 yet.
We finally found an area that you're an expert in!
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It's a bit cliche', but I can see it happening.
And I can only think of a few offhand, but the GoT guys aren't shy about having nude scenes with girls that aren't even 21 yet.
We finally found an area that you're an expert in!
I do have a thing for that Sand Snake, a.k.a. the most beautiful girl in the world
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It's a bit cliche', but I can see it happening.
And I can only think of a few offhand, but the GoT guys aren't shy about having nude scenes with girls that aren't even 21 yet.
We finally found an area that you're an expert in!
Im surprised there is a chick he might not j/o to.
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It's a bit cliche', but I can see it happening.
And I can only think of a few offhand, but the GoT guys aren't shy about having nude scenes with girls that aren't even 21 yet.
We finally found an area that you're an expert in!
I do have a thing for that Sand Snake, a.k.a. the most beautiful girl in the world
I too would grant that little minx a mustache ride.
I actually think that's a reasonable theory. The whole plan is to lure the Night King into the Godswood - maybe it all goes to hell because he doesn't show up yet.
I think the night king splitting his army may make sense, the mountain goes full zombie mode, the only way the hound can kill him is if he overcomes his fear and burns him...
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That was another great moment.. Sansa and him reuniting.
Theon is clearly going to sacrifice himself for the Starks. That's been obvious for a long time.
Definitely!
I think the common held belief is that the night king battle is won before the battle for the iron throne. I’ve always felt the final battle will be for both.
I also think many of the characters are toast. I wonder if we will see any of them undead.
Exactly, don't just call out Emily, Kit is every bit as bad. he plays his role one way with zero depth
I also think many of the characters are toast. I wonder if we will see any of them undead.
Oddly I hope the girl with the burnt face don’t die. Would be fitting if Davis lives and adopts her.
And I’d love for lady Mormont go preteen batshit crazy on some wights
I have a prediction one that I leaned towards awhile ago, but can see where it is heading now. Bran will be kidnapped by the Night King, I don’t know how they think the dead In The crypts won’t be reanimated, but it will lead to a huge blunder on there planning. They won’t be able to protect Bran and the Night King will take him on that Ice Dragon. I think this is what the three eyed raven meant when he said you will fly. Bran will warg into Viserion and fuck shit up against the dead saving many lives.
Bran has abilities similar to the Night King ( not in raising the dead but Incredible mage like powers, it’s about time we see what he is capable of).
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She's about to be involved in some of the biggest scenes in TV history - hope she doesn't ruin them. Kit Harington isn't exactly Daniel Day-Lewis either, but at least he doesn't get in the way of the story.
Exactly, don't just call out Emily, Kit is every bit as bad. he plays his role one way with zero depth
Most of it I can overlook remember most of these actors had zero or very little to minimum experience when it started.
Side note kit gets props just found out today he married Ygritte last year
I do too but want to see her take some out first
Hope Brienne lives, but many characters arcs make sense to end here. If Brienne dies it makes sense for Tormund to go with her, he wouldn’t have much to live for anymore. Haha. As much as I’d love to see them have monster babies in there future, this will end on a sadder note.
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She's about to be involved in some of the biggest scenes in TV history - hope she doesn't ruin them. Kit Harington isn't exactly Daniel Day-Lewis either, but at least he doesn't get in the way of the story.
Exactly, don't just call out Emily, Kit is every bit as bad. he plays his role one way with zero depth
Side note kit gets props just found out today he married Ygritte last year
She looks 50x better in real life than she did on the show
Hope Brienne lives, but many characters arcs make sense to end here. If Brienne dies it makes sense for Tormund to go with her, he wouldn’t have much to live for anymore. Haha. As much as I’d love to see them have monster babies in there future, this will end on a sadder note.
Still think she lives to restore Jammie’s legacy as much as they made a point of the kings guard book several times its fitting she fills out his page
I have a prediction one that I leaned towards awhile ago, but can see where it is heading now. Bran will be kidnapped by the Night King, I don’t know how they think the dead In The crypts won’t be reanimated, but it will lead to a huge blunder on there planning. They won’t be able to protect Bran and the Night King will take him on that Ice Dragon. I think this is what the three eyed raven meant when he said you will fly. Bran will warg into Viserion and fuck shit up against the dead saving many lives.
Bran has abilities similar to the Night King ( not in raising the dead but Incredible mage like powers, it’s about time we see what he is capable of).
Think this is as good a possibility as any. Imagine a general retreat by several key characters back to Kings Landing and Cersei ultimately In a three way battle ending out the series.
There needs to be a better understanding of who the Night King is for this series to make any sense and hold water.
Agree with everyone that was a pretty great episode. Perfectly set up the next episode as a literal movie. A lot of familiar faces won't come out of it but hopefully the last couple episodes can still deliver a surprise or two nobody sees coming - like the S6 finale.
On the flip side it would be pretty funny if the night king wins the battle of winterfell, re-animates everyone, and marches on KL. Would be a real unexpected turn.
I'd honestly rather see the Night King there than her.
(On a side note, how f'ing stupid is it for John to tell Daenerys the truth right before the f'ing battle???)
True, but that I think that was pretty consistent with how he roles. Similar to his refusal to bend the knee to Cersai, instead informing her that he could not because he already pledged himself and the North to Dany.
Do it. I was thinking the same thing.
Flying overhead on the dragon maybe?
Also each time we saw white walkers there was what, 3-4? Now he's got hundreds?
Good question, they are notably absent. And considering their role in bringing characters back to life, you’d think they’d show up for the epic final good vs evil battle
Seems a little 12-step-ish to me.
but it's setting things up nicely for the ending. It really separates the good from the bad, if you believe people like Jaime and Tyrion are being forthright with their intentions.
I also felt like being in front of Dany gave Jaime the perfect opportunity to explain and set straight the kingslayer moniker. yes, he killed Aerys, but it was necessary to save millions of people, based on the wild fire onslaught Aerys was about to let loose (plus Aerys wanted Jaime to kill his own father).
Lastly, Dany is the product of incest. Her parents are brother and sister, so no idea why anyone expects her to react shockingly, or otherwise, when she learns there is a chance she has been sleeping with her nephew.
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Pull an end around...take his dragon to kings landing, create a “southern” dead army, Cersei flees north, survivors of winterfell flee south and they all meet in the middle.
I have believed that to be the case for a long time. I think he ditches his army at Winter fell, they draw it in and the dragons burn it all down and the NK goes to where he has a million bodies to make an army out of.
My one question on this is whether he needs "winter" to be with him to survive. In other words, how will he make King's Landing cold? Maybe I'm making that up but its how its seemed so far. Very slow moving, methodical, and as they conquer winter spreads.
Lol. And Maisie Williams is now 22...so we don’t need to feel like total creeps for enjoying her semi-nude turn a little bit
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Pull an end around...take his dragon to kings landing, create a “southern” dead army, Cersei flees north, survivors of winterfell flee south and they all meet in the middle.
I have believed that to be the case for a long time. I think he ditches his army at Winter fell, they draw it in and the dragons burn it all down and the NK goes to where he has a million bodies to make an army out of.
My one question on this is whether he needs "winter" to be with him to survive. In other words, how will he make King's Landing cold? Maybe I'm making that up but its how its seemed so far. Very slow moving, methodical, and as they conquer winter spreads.
When Jamie was leaving KL in the s7 finale it was snowing there. So maybe it's cold enough now? I don't buy them diverting from Winterfell since they've built up so much prelude at this point, but I guess it wouldn't be completely shocking if the NK pulled his version of a whispering wood elsewhere - so there's a battle at WF but also something that happens elsewhere that's the true objective right now. It does stand up to some logic that he uses some of his force to pursue another objective and not spend his entire force at WF - though I suppose Bran would be clued in on that?
For example, with the whole discussion of 'the memory of man' last night, I wonder if that was foreshadowing an attack on the citadel or some other undefended part of the realm like that (just like Jamie's march on highgarden).
He also said that he was going to tear Cersei apart as a dead man. I've had a feeling for a while Tyrion was definitely not going to live
Littlefinger and Tyrion are Martin's two favorite characters.
wouldn't be surprised with anything from either of them.
I know Melissandre still has to make an appearance this season, but I don't see an entry for Littlefinger in the final four.
I'm starting to think a semi-outlandish theory is Gendry/Arya are the main survivors and their child, a Stark/Baratheon, "inherits" the throne sort of bringing the story back full circle to when some people felt like Sansa/Joffrey would yield Stark/Baratheon children.
why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
Littlefinger and Tyrion are Martin's two favorite characters.
wouldn't be surprised with anything from either of them.
I know Melissandre still has to make an appearance this season, but I don't see an entry for Littlefinger in the final four.
I'm starting to think a semi-outlandish theory is Gendry/Arya are the main survivors and their child, a Stark/Baratheon, "inherits" the throne sort of bringing the story back full circle to when some people felt like Sansa/Joffrey would yield Stark/Baratheon children.
why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
I don't see any way Littlefinger comes back. His story in the show diverted completely away from where it is in the novels. The showrunners seemed like they had no idea what to do with him after that so they just gradually started giving him less screen time and then killed him off the show. One of my biggest issues with the last couple of seasons is how they wasted such an interesting character.
Littlefinger and Tyrion are Martin's two favorite characters.
wouldn't be surprised with anything from either of them.
I know Melissandre still has to make an appearance this season, but I don't see an entry for Littlefinger in the final four.
I'm starting to think a semi-outlandish theory is Gendry/Arya are the main survivors and their child, a Stark/Baratheon, "inherits" the throne sort of bringing the story back full circle to when some people felt like Sansa/Joffrey would yield Stark/Baratheon children.
why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
Not bad. So everyone else dies, Arya gets pregnant because of last nights "romp", and this ends with them on the throne and the baby the heir. Great, looking forward to more Arya sex scenes (no, not really)
why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
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why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
Only if no one with a better claim is alive
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why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
A king or queen can legitimize a bastard. Remember when Stannis offered to make Jon Snow a Stark?
So, yes, he'd need to be legitimized first, but the title of king or queen floats around for a lot of people in the realm so there could be many people who can legitimize him - maybe as a dying act.
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why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
A king or queen can legitimize a bastard. Remember when Stannis offered to make Jon Snow a Stark?
So, yes, he'd need to be legitimized first, but the title of king or queen floats around for a lot of people in the realm so there could be many people who can legitimize him - maybe as a dying act.
And Roos legitimized Ramsay
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why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
A king or queen can legitimize a bastard. Remember when Stannis offered to make Jon Snow a Stark?
So, yes, he'd need to be legitimized first, but the title of king or queen floats around for a lot of people in the realm so there could be many people who can legitimize him - maybe as a dying act.
And Roos legitimized Ramsay
I think Roos had Cersei/tommen do it for him since he was their pawn or so they thought
I'm betting half that room doesn't survive next week.
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even though Masie Williams is I believe in her 20's.
Lol. And Maisie Williams is now 22...so we don’t need to feel like total creeps for enjoying her semi-nude turn a little bit
She's 22. Good God she looks like she's 14
Probably dead but would love to see him live and and up taking care of the little girl with the burnt face he deserves a happy ending
it was probably burnt.
Speaking of which. Lyanna Mormont actress Bella Ramsey is 16. She looks like she's 12
I hope he makes it, one of my favorites.
Semi-related, but it’s a shame how Varys has been relegated to following Tyrion and Davos around, with very little left to contribute. No need to little birds to figure out what the army of the dead is up to.
Much like Littlefinger, I feel like once they passed the source material in the books, the show writers ran out of ideas to keep the character interesting.
I am still curious to see if we find out what the voice in the fire said when his “man parts” were roasted years ago. But I figure he’s history soon.
I could be wrong but I think only knights can update it but not 100% on that
Davos is one of my absolute favorites though. He nailed the "Maybe I will have that drink" line after Tormund told his story about giant's milk. I was cracking up.
I could be wrong but I think only knights can update it but not 100% on that
Speaking of...I find it hard to believe Jamie is just going to turn on Cersei after the war with the dead is all said and done. Anyone else think he has something else up his sleeve? Or is that relationship done with?
I could be wrong but I think only knights can update it but not 100% on that
I believe its only Kingsguard that can make edits.
I could be wrong but I think only knights can update it but not 100% on that
The story of being a king slayer is really a heroic one, not a heinous one. I don't know how his page is written, but if it were an honest account of the events that led up to that day Jaime would not shun the King Slayer moniker, he'd wear it proudly.
If the truth were known Ned Stark would be thought less of for immediately judging Jaime and suggesting he take the black as an oath breaker.
So you think all cards have been played and that nothing surprising will happen? I doubt it. Something out of left field will be happening.
Not being a dick at all. What I mean to say is, given the choice between taking one side vs the other, would Jamie truly choose against Cersei who is his sister, love of his life, and mother of his children?
Exactly! And then Tyrion is the only one by the fire who is optimistic about their changes...immediately after speaking to Bran....
No one in the entire realm knows more about the dead than Qyburn, his experiments got him kicked out of and banned from the Citadel.
I don't think it's beyond speculation that he has invented some way to manipulate wights and white walkers.
He did bring the Mountain back to life and he's obedient.
Stopping with the major surprises would be a real departure from the DNA of the show. I can't see it going out like that. It's a simpleton take, I know, but I think it's pretty compelling.
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But wtf secret plot could there be made that involves fighting the dead? Most likely youre going to die so what plot could come of it? Cersei threatened to kill jamie with the mountain. There are no secret plots here anymore. The secret plot was Euron getting the Golden Company and fighting for Kings Landing against whoever wins. There wont be anymore red wedding type oh shits.
So you think all cards have been played and that nothing surprising will happen? I doubt it. Something out of left field will be happening.
As far as secret plots with Cersei, yea I do. I think the surprises will involve Bran and what he can actually do. I could see the Red Priestesses showing up to help bring back the fallen(like Melisandre did with jon snow)
If so, I'm assuming Dany is going to be waiting with her dragon to take him out when he takes the "bait".....now that she knows the truth about Jon Snow, wouldn't it make sense for her to take Bran out as well so no one knows the truth???
If so, I'm assuming Dany is going to be waiting with her dragon to take him out when he takes the "bait".....now that she knows the truth about Jon Snow, wouldn't it make sense for her to take Bran out as well so no one knows the truth???
She would also have to take out Sam too.
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to lure the Night King in with Bran and kill him with dragon fire correct? Isn't that what they were asking Bran about and he didn't know because it's never been attempted?
If so, I'm assuming Dany is going to be waiting with her dragon to take him out when he takes the "bait".....now that she knows the truth about Jon Snow, wouldn't it make sense for her to take Bran out as well so no one knows the truth???
She would also have to take out Sam too.
Exactly....I think both of them are definitely targets....maybe Bran sees this and does some kind of end around with the Night King and forms the connection (whatever it may be) as theorized by some.
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But wtf secret plot could there be made that involves fighting the dead? Most likely youre going to die so what plot could come of it? Cersei threatened to kill jamie with the mountain. There are no secret plots here anymore. The secret plot was Euron getting the Golden Company and fighting for Kings Landing against whoever wins. There wont be anymore red wedding type oh shits.
So you think all cards have been played and that nothing surprising will happen? I doubt it. Something out of left field will be happening.
As far as secret plots with Cersei, yea I do. I think the surprises will involve Bran and what he can actually do. I could see the Red Priestesses showing up to help bring back the fallen(like Melisandre did with jon snow)
Completely agree regarding the red priestesses and Melisandre. Volantis is the hub of the lord of light religion, have a 1k army...she's on the cast list and said in season 7 she must die in Westeros. She's coming back in a big way.
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But wtf secret plot could there be made that involves fighting the dead? Most likely youre going to die so what plot could come of it? Cersei threatened to kill jamie with the mountain. There are no secret plots here anymore. The secret plot was Euron getting the Golden Company and fighting for Kings Landing against whoever wins. There wont be anymore red wedding type oh shits.
Not being a dick at all. What I mean to say is, given the choice between taking one side vs the other, would Jamie truly choose against Cersei who is his sister, love of his life, and mother of his children?
She's the mother of his children, and at minimum one of them is dead because of her. She threatened to kill him. She is sleeping with others. Jamie's arc has always been toward redemption. And I won't get into the prophecy that is talked about more in the books than the show, but I think he has to turn on her.
If so, I'm assuming Dany is going to be waiting with her dragon to take him out when he takes the "bait".....now that she knows the truth about Jon Snow, wouldn't it make sense for her to take Bran out as well so no one knows the truth???
I wonder if Valyrian Steel or Dragon Glass would kill the Night King.
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to lure the Night King in with Bran and kill him with dragon fire correct? Isn't that what they were asking Bran about and he didn't know because it's never been attempted?
If so, I'm assuming Dany is going to be waiting with her dragon to take him out when he takes the "bait".....now that she knows the truth about Jon Snow, wouldn't it make sense for her to take Bran out as well so no one knows the truth???
I wonder if Valyrian Steel or Dragon Glass would kill the Night King.
Don’t want to veer too far into the theory/possible spoiler realm, but in the book the much discussed prophecy also goes into how the Night King can/will be killed, which would involve a shocking twist related to major characters. Curious to see if the show goes there - getting the feeling they might.
Though, I suspect this is exactly what is going to happen.
So we will get the Jon Snow and Lyanna Stark reunion. Awww that will be so sweet to have his mother hold him.
Rickard (Ned's father) and Brandon (Ned's brother) (both murdered by Aerys - I believe burned alive) and Lyanna are all there - plus more back throughout their lineage. Even all the way back to Bran the Builder (who I believe was the first Stark) is down there.
Ned has a stone down there at least.
I don't hate the theory, but reality is there could be what 100 dead Starks down there AT MOST, you're fighting armies in the hundreds of thousands, adding some dead Starks to your army is a wasted plot line IMO, though it would be cool
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Did Ned bring Lyanna back from Dorne? That would've been a rough journey. Ned's head isn't down there either. I don't think Cat or Robb were sent back to Winterfell - just Rickon of the immediate family members. If there's gonna be shit going down in the crypts, it'd be cool of the Starks - dead and alive - were fighting on the same side.
Rickard (Ned's father) and Brandon (Ned's brother) (both murdered by Aerys - I believe burned alive) and Lyanna are all there - plus more back throughout their lineage. Even all the way back to Bran the Builder (who I believe was the first Stark) is down there.
Ned has a stone down there at least.
I don't hate the theory, but reality is there could be what 100 dead Starks down there AT MOST, you're fighting armies in the hundreds of thousands, adding some dead Starks to your army is a wasted plot line IMO, though it would be cool
You can't be brought back if you are burnt so that leaves Rickard and Brandon. Ned was just bones I believe that was given to them including the head. Having Lyanna come alive to fight Jon Snow would be completely messed up.
They telegraphed this bigtime with Benjen last season, whose condition the writers basically handwaved at the time - Benjen, if I understand correctly, was brought back by the Night King like other wights, but instead retained agency his mind.
Though, I suspect this is exactly what is going to happen.
IMO they will win the battle with the white walkers and suffer heavy losses but the Night King will almost certainly not be defeated.
The Jon Snow / Dany army will need reinforcements so whether that is Grey Worm or Messandei or someone from across the Narrow Sea or the Iron Islands helping them win and reinforcing them. I think all are in play there. Maybe even the Golden Company changing sides.
If prior theatrical battles play out as they have before we will have to see some kind of insane one in episode 6 or 7 that almost definitely has to involve whats left of the North plus the reinforcements I've alluded to v. Cersei v. the Night King. Lots of dragon fighting. I'd expect at least 2 if not all of the dragons to die in this battle.
They telegraphed this bigtime with Benjen last season, whose condition the writers basically handwaved at the time - Benjen, if I understand correctly, was brought back by the Night King like other wights, but instead retained agency his mind.
Benjen was not "brought back" by the Night King, he was saved from becoming a wight by the Children of the Forest.
I think there is a difference.
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there's a good chance they are somewhat conscience and fighting back on the side of good.
They telegraphed this bigtime with Benjen last season, whose condition the writers basically handwaved at the time - Benjen, if I understand correctly, was brought back by the Night King like other wights, but instead retained agency his mind.
Benjen was not "brought back" by the Night King, he was saved from becoming a wight by the Children of the Forest.
I think there is a difference.
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even though Masie Williams is I believe in her 20's.
Speaking of which. Lyanna Mormont actress Bella Ramsey is 16. She looks like she's 12
She is a spitfire (her character)
Also, a few cannon with grapeshot or chains would devastate that undead army. Or, at least shred them up enough for the foot soldiers and cavalry to make short work of the scattered remnants.
Davos is one of my absolute favorites though. He nailed the "Maybe I will have that drink" line after Tormund told his story about giant's milk. I was cracking up.
Lots of humor in this episode. I think it's going to be tough to find moving forward. The culling starts next week.
Also, a few cannon with grapeshot or chains would devastate that undead army. Or, at least shred them up enough for the foot soldiers and cavalry to make short work of the scattered remnants.
Valerian steel is a rare metal. There are only a handful of valerian steel swords, let alone a suit of armor.
And, I don't think gun powder has been introduced to Westeros yet
I liked the episode a lot but I think we are going to lose several characters next week including Lyanna Mormont, Brienne, Tormund, Ed, Theon, and Jorah. It is going to be sad to see Brienne go as she is such a great noble character but we all know after last nights episode she is going to die soon.
I am really hoping that the Night King is splitting his army up that would be awesome to see Cersei get what she deserves but I doubt that happens. I don't think the Night King is going to strategize I just think he is going to work his way down south killing everyone in his way and adding to his army.
One thing to consider, now that the Night King has a dragon he can easily fly over the oceans to spread his armies everywhere. Nowhere is safe anymore.
Additionally, there's also a bit of a personal vendetta against Jon Snow after he eliminated one of the "generals" beyond the wall. Recall that the last scene of last season showed the army of the white walkers forming the crest of the Starks.
I think the clear focus of the Night King will be on Winterfell only. I predict that the white walkers will be defeated (with heavy casualties to the North) but the Night King will survive and retreat. I think that he will play a role in the final conflict with Cersei.
I wonder if the dragons are going to be held back during most of the battle until they figure out where the night king is positioned. The last thing they can afford is for one or both of them to be taken out as well. I think Arya is going to be the one to kill the night kings dragon with the spear that Gendry made her. I'm not sure if she will survive it.
Also, a few cannon with grapeshot or chains would devastate that undead army. Or, at least shred them up enough for the foot soldiers and cavalry to make short work of the scattered remnants.
Gunpowder isn't a thing, and humankind doesn't have the ability to make more valyrian steel. The swords that are made of it are all that's left. Recall back to earlier in the show, they made Joffrey a sword of Valyrian steel, by melting down Ned Stark's old blade.
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I'd imagine a knight decked out in Valyrian plate armor and sword would be pretty damn formidable?
Also, a few cannon with grapeshot or chains would devastate that undead army. Or, at least shred them up enough for the foot soldiers and cavalry to make short work of the scattered remnants.
Valerian steel is a rare metal. There are only a handful of valerian steel swords, let alone a suit of armor.
And, I don't think gun powder has been introduced to Westeros yet
Yes but Cersei's green wildfire that blew up the sept would have been helpful (assuming the dragons are neutralized by the ice dragon anyway)
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I'd imagine a knight decked out in Valyrian plate armor and sword would be pretty damn formidable?
Also, a few cannon with grapeshot or chains would devastate that undead army. Or, at least shred them up enough for the foot soldiers and cavalry to make short work of the scattered remnants.
Valerian steel is a rare metal. There are only a handful of valerian steel swords, let alone a suit of armor.
And, I don't think gun powder has been introduced to Westeros yet
Yes but Cersei's green wildfire that blew up the sept would have been helpful (assuming the dragons are neutralized by the ice dragon anyway)
She has plenty more. Qyburn mentions the other sites in season 6 or 7.
Because his character always does that. He may have the worst timing evar.
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why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
Why would Tyrion do that?
Arya running through the crypts in the trailers. She's being chased by Walkers, those same Walkers are being chased by wolves.
I found that interesting, and somewhat puzzling based on the way we've seen Bran speak -- I wouldn't say that his words or tone have generally inspired much optimism.
Of course, the optimism that I'm noting from Tyrion could just be the wine. Who knows if Bran even gave him the time of day when he tried to spark up that conversation.
Cersei?
It's far more likely IMO Tyrion fulfills Cersei's prophecy and chokes the life out of her than joins her.
I kind of think the story ends this way - with Tyrion choking Cersei to death, and you see Cersei die, but Qyburn still delivers her baby and when the baby is born it opens it's eyes and they're ice blue, like a wight and then the ending credits roll.
Dany
Jon
Sansa
Tyrion
Sam
The Hound
Bran
One Dragon
I'm guessing the dead will include:
The Night King
Brienne
Jaime
Sir Davos
The Mormunds
Arya
Thereon
Gray Worm
Basically all of the Wildlings
Two Dragons
Brienn, Tormund, Pod probably all screwed.
Lanister Bros. 33.33% chance one of three things happens. Both die. Both live. One dies.
Gendry I'll put at 50/50. Him being the last Baratheon is really it's own story line at this point. 50/50 He survives or House Baratheon is gone forever.
Grey Worm, lol he dead.
*Dothraki & Unsullied White Walkers are going to be awesome!
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Turning to the dark side if you will. I still don’t think it’s anything like trying to destroy Dany and the north. I think he got Cersei to lie that she was sending her army north because he knows that’s where the real war is. His intentions were correct but will result in a lot of people getting killed
Why would Tyrion do that?
Because it’s the right thing to do. The only war that matters right now is the war with the dead. He knew if Cersei wasn’t going agree to their little cease fire and agree to send her troops north to help then Dany wasn’t going north to fight the NK. I doubt he knew about the golden company and her plans to mop up what’s left but I bet the main plan was all him.
She’s already frustrated with his mistakes and when she learns it was his idea especially if she loses Grey worm missendei and Jorah that will be his final mistake and he will hear that word drakaris
this one is the white walkers, then you have a set-up episode before the kings landing battle, then the kings landing battle episode, and then a concluding episode
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why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
I'm not sure of that. Robert had no legitimate children. His brothers are dead and they have no legitimate children. Wouldn't his bastard(s) have claim to the throne ? Queen Elizabeth I of England was Henry VIII's bastard. Henry's legitimate children, Edward VI and then Mary succeeded him. They both died without children and then Elizabeth succeeded them
Elizabeth wasn't a bastard. Her mother, Anne Boleyn was married to Henry at the time of her birth. (It looks like they cut it close as far as conception goes, however). Edward (the youngest child) was king first because he was male and Mary preceded Elizabeth because she was older.
All Gendry needs is any monarch to legitimize him as Robert's heir and his claim becomes as strong as Dany or Jon's.
All Gendry needs is any monarch to legitimize him as Robert's heir and his claim becomes as strong as Dany or Jon's.
I don't think that's realistic. What monarch would legitimize him so that he can take the monarch's job? I suppose a dying one...but Cercei hated ARobert and it would seem out of character anyway. To Danys, a Baratheon would not be seen as a legitimate crown-holder. Jon was kept in the dark his whole life because a Baratheon would have killed him. A monarch of a different country would have no standing to legitimize him.
this one is the white walkers, then you have a set-up episode before the kings landing battle, then the kings landing battle episode, and then a concluding episode
i'm not a fan of the White Walkers, just so much being made of them for nothing, really. So part of me wants it to be over with episode 3, but it would essentially be an 8 season tease for 1 battle. Not really sure what route they will take but this wouldn't surprise me.
this one is the white walkers, then you have a set-up episode before the kings landing battle, then the kings landing battle episode, and then a concluding episode
I don't think they will finish the Night King & the Walkers this episode.
The remaining episodes are all bonus sized. 1 hour & 20 minutes each. I think the North is gonna take a bit of a beating this week, then some gamesmanship & scrambling is gonna have to take place to seize power from Cersei & Euron Greyjoy. Take control of the Lannister Army, Iron Fleet & Golden Company...then defeat the Night King. That's my guess.
But which monarch would legitimize Gendry? Certainly not Cersei or Dany. I guess, maybe Jon, if he is declared King, but what purpose would that serve? If they wanted to go that route I think they would have had Jon legitimize him while he was still King in the North.
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i mentioned this before, any "monarch" can legitimize a bastard.
All Gendry needs is any monarch to legitimize him as Robert's heir and his claim becomes as strong as Dany or Jon's.
I don't think that's realistic. What monarch would legitimize him so that he can take the monarch's job? I suppose a dying one...but Cercei hated ARobert and it would seem out of character anyway. To Danys, a Baratheon would not be seen as a legitimate crown-holder. Jon was kept in the dark his whole life because a Baratheon would have killed him. A monarch of a different country would have no standing to legitimize him.
There could be many reasons and it's not just to claim the throne. Leigitimization is done to make a bastard essentially trueborn and they get the social status and "honor" and rights of being true born.
Stannis offered to legitimize Jon Snow as a Stark so he'd be the legitimate heir to Winterfell and Warden of the North in exchange for his allegiance taking back the North from the Bolton's.
Gendry can be legitimized for many reasons and it's not always by someone to take their job.
I think Dany might die next week also. I could see her dragon being taken down when they attempt to kill the night king in Bran's trap. If the lightbringer sword is going to arrive this season it could be at this moment after Dany turns into a walker and Jon drives his sword through her heart.
What I was hoping to see was that the Night King does serious damage at Winterfell but then heads south without killing everyone and leaving Rhaegal and Drogon alive. Then he attacks Kings Landing while the North regroups. As Cersei's army is being decimated The remaining members of Jon and Dany's army heads south and attacks the night kings army from the south. The two armies defeat the Night King but Cersei being Cersei she immediately orders her army to attack the North. Then we immediately have the second huge battle for the Iron Throne.
I think the unsullied and dothraki could go home if Dany is killed. That scene with Grey Worm sort of set that up IMO.
I think the unsullied and dothraki could go home if Dany is killed. That scene with Grey Worm sort of set that up IMO.
I think that most of them will be wiped out next week. If she is killed I think Jon will win the remaining fighters over with his bravery in the battle against the Night King.
Depends who you ask. Robert has Targaryan blood and he personally killed Rhaegar and the Mountain killed Rhaegars children. Ned and Jon Arryn both viewed Robert as having the best claim.
Sure, Viserion and Dany called Robert a userper, but he doesn't view it that way.
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Jon Snow aka Aegon and then Dany would have a higher claim than Gendry even if Gendry was legitimized. They were next in line after the Mad King, Rhaegar, and Viserys were killed. Robert technically didn't really have a claim while Dany and Aegon are alive.
Depends who you ask. Robert has Targaryan blood and he personally killed Rhaegar and the Mountain killed Rhaegars children. Ned and Jon Arryn both viewed Robert as having the best claim.
Sure, Viserion and Dany called Robert a userper, but he doesn't view it that way.
Viserys
Don't worry, the crypts are the safest place to be! They remind us every 10 minutes! I may head down there to watch the show.
Not sure if I expect a red wedding type of event - maybe something more along the lines of Cersei blowing up the Sept. The Army of the Dead gets in and - poof - everyone down there is gone.
Yeah it makes no sense. Huge swing and miss from the showrunners here.
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There is a dead army on the way with a leader that can raise the dead and they think it’s wise to put the women, children, and the helpless in a crypt surrounded by 1000 years worth of dead Starks? How have they not figured this out? I’m fully expecting a red wedding scene next week in the crypt.
Yeah it makes no sense. Huge swing and miss from the showrunners here.
I think I might be misunderstanding your point.
How is it a swing and miss yet at this point. I feel like the continued assumptions of the crypts being safe must have some foreshadowing...
Maybe the wildcard is Tyrion knowing it ahead of time (and the reason for why he wants to fight instead of go down there). We will see.
I think this story is shaping up to be a tragedy, that tragedy being Jon Snow. Craster's Keep? The father was partly Targaryen. Why has the NK always looked at Jon fondly?
Jon is the supposed leader of the "good side" but what is more tragic than realizing as much as you want to play one team, you have to play for another? What if the prince who was promised is actually the NK's prince? Ned and Jon have had many dreams of angry statues in the crypts, and we know there is going to be a big reveal down there.
Jon's lineage has in many ways been a handicap to him, and now once he has the right to the "iron throne" its actually his destiny to be the next night king. Thinking the mixture of old gods blood (northerners) with new gods blood (targaryen's blood, not even from Westeros) disrupted a "balance in the force" if you wanna call it that...
Anyway, i could see this NK dying, but his goal was really to wake the original who lies deep within the crypts of WInterfell. Everyone assumes the NK is going straight for Bran, i think he might throw them a curveball and head for the crypts.
Not impressed with the first 2 episodes given how long they had to write them. Do we really need several minutes of dragons flying around or a musical number? That is just lazy writing
Not impressed with the first 2 episodes given how long they had to write them. Do we really need several minutes of dragons flying around or a musical number? That is just lazy writing
Agreed, i thought the writing last episode was trash. The Bran-Jamie and Bran-Tyrion scenes were cut short, and overall i feel the dialogue is way off for certain characters. Arya scene felt forced, she's concerned with getting laid now? Is Bran not human? Then whats up with the cheesy one liners he spews out? If you're going to make him cold, commit to it 100%. Some character arcs seem off.
Since we've met Arya she's rebelled being a princess, didn't want to be a lady, learned to fight under Syrio, faught along side the Hound, and became no one under Jaquen. SHe's never once cared about love, or romance. Her sex scene was messy story telling, plain and simple.
Which is why I don't buy (or shouldn't by given how he's been sold), Sam of all people, not telling everyone the plan at Winterfell is trash, they need to find somewhere else for the women and children.
Since we've met Arya she's rebelled being a princess, didn't want to be a lady, learned to fight under Syrio, faught along side the Hound, and became no one under Jaquen. SHe's never once cared about love, or romance. Her sex scene was messy story telling, plain and simple.
Which is why I don't buy (or shouldn't by given how he's been sold), Sam of all people, not telling everyone the plan at Winterfell is trash, they need to find somewhere else for the women and children.
Weird to think that Arya is the only badass on this show that can't also want to get laid occasionally.
I also think it's possible that she had another motive that hasn't been made clear to us yet. I agree that a sudden bout of D-thirst would be an odd use of airtime as well as change in character....I trust that there's more to it than that.
From the trailer Arya is running from something and it's scary enough to actually frighten her. I am expecting either Gendry, a friend who was just killed and turned, A family member(Ned, Rickon, etc), or the Night King is after her. Perhaps she is the one who kills Viserys but the Night King sends several of his men after her.
The directors confirmed that scene never takes place and it was just shot as a teaser.
I would think most of the dead in the crypts would be decomposed (even bones turned to dust)? I'm no expert but I think it has to do with the soil etc.
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the scene in a trailer before the season started, where Arya, Jon and Sansa are deep in the crypts and "winter" has finally set in? Not only are going to see some dead Starks, i'm thinking we may see the OG night king. It's becoming more and more obvious the bottom depts of the crypts were tombs but more so prisons, built after the last long night.
The directors confirmed that scene never takes place and it was just shot as a teaser.
Gotcha well maybe some foreshadowing with it then idk
Since we've met Arya she's rebelled being a princess, didn't want to be a lady, learned to fight under Syrio, faught along side the Hound, and became no one under Jaquen. SHe's never once cared about love, or romance. Her sex scene was messy story telling, plain and simple.
She's become her own person, she thinks she's probably dying in a day. I'm missing the issue there. There wasn't a hint of love or romance. And, much like her recent actions, she did it on her own terms.
She's always wanted to do her own thing and experience important stuff and especially stuff that goes against norms. I don't know why it would be out of line, knowing it was her last night on earth to want to do another adult or even taboo thing that she would otherwise never experience.
Heck, if I only had moments to live, sex wouldn't be a bad thing to try one last time (please don't take that "moments" part as indicative of anything).
She is facing death as a virgin, and the only person outside of her family she ever had feelings for is there and can take her virginity.
while I found the scene awkward (I think we were supposed to) it in no way leads me to believe it's not Arya or that it's out of character for Arya.
no idea how it turns out, but that did not seem far fetched to me.
I read earlier at first she thought it was a practical joke when they got the script they were like no it shows she gets her humanity back and she had full control of what and how much gets shown. She said she stayed on the cautious side I thought they did it perfectly with showing her scars and not just flashing her toys and ass like the girls in the whore house.
Cersei?
It's far more likely IMO Tyrion fulfills Cersei's prophecy and chokes the life out of her than joins her.
I kind of think the story ends this way - with Tyrion choking Cersei to death, and you see Cersei die, but Qyburn still delivers her baby and when the baby is born it opens it's eyes and they're ice blue, like a wight and then the ending credits roll.
I expect something like this. Or someone we absolutely hate sitting down on the throne for all of us to be enraged.
No, they made no mention of it on the show but the actress is reportedly pregnant but she hasn't confirmed.
Am I missing it?
Not impressed with the first 2 episodes given how long they had to write them. Do we really need several minutes of dragons flying around or a musical number? That is just lazy writing
The dragon flying was 1 minute, 50 seconds and was necessary for a number of reasons articulated in prior threads on this site. I'm not defending the first episode, but many of the complaints are just whining by folks with unrealistic, impossible to achieve expectations going in.
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Anyone who thinks the crypts are the safest place to be when the Night King attacks deserves to die.
Not impressed with the first 2 episodes given how long they had to write them. Do we really need several minutes of dragons flying around or a musical number? That is just lazy writing
The dragon flying was 1 minute, 50 seconds and was necessary for a number of reasons articulated in prior threads on this site. I'm not defending the first episode, but many of the complaints are just whining by folks with unrealistic, impossible to achieve expectations going in.
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Anyone who thinks the crypts are the safest place to be when the Night King attacks deserves to die.
Not impressed with the first 2 episodes given how long they had to write them. Do we really need several minutes of dragons flying around or a musical number? That is just lazy writing
The dragon flying was 1 minute, 50 seconds and was necessary for a number of reasons articulated in prior threads on this site. I'm not defending the first episode, but many of the complaints are just whining by folks with unrealistic, impossible to achieve expectations going in.
Well you have to include the rest of that scene in it also. The Dragon flying was the best part the rest not so much
But during the course of the show she grew from being a pre-teen to becoming a woman. A lot of time has passed by. I think that was part of the reason why they showed her disrobing - to emphasize that she has grown physically as well as in age.
But that aside, it's not like she's fawning over Gendry. Her wanting sex at that moment actually seemed very transactional. I don't think there was ever even a moment that she cracked a smile.
I think it's pretty consistent with where her character is at this point - she's been through a lot and is very distrusting of most people, especially men. But as best as possible she continues to try to cling to her own humanity. Her having that moment with Gendry was a natural progression.
Does that indicate both Tyrion and Jaime survive the war only to face Bronn?
Does that indicate both Tyrion and Jaime survive the war only to face Bronn?
Not sure if he shows up this week but if I had to guess it will look like he’s going to carry out Cersei’s wishes then bow down at the last second.
#brosbeforemaniacalhos
Side note how gratifying would it be for him if he got to kill off Cersei since they can’t even be on screen together since they hate each other so much