Does John tell Dany she’s been doodling her nephew Aegon Targaryen?
The inquisition of Jammie Lannister who saves him? Bran? Brienne?
The continuation of the Sansa bitchfest 2019.
Tormund and company arrive at winterfell and let everyone know the shit is about to hit the fan.
Remember no matter where you are or what your doing he’s watching
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why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
Only if no one with a better claim is alive
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why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
A king or queen can legitimize a bastard. Remember when Stannis offered to make Jon Snow a Stark?
So, yes, he'd need to be legitimized first, but the title of king or queen floats around for a lot of people in the realm so there could be many people who can legitimize him - maybe as a dying act.
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why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
A king or queen can legitimize a bastard. Remember when Stannis offered to make Jon Snow a Stark?
So, yes, he'd need to be legitimized first, but the title of king or queen floats around for a lot of people in the realm so there could be many people who can legitimize him - maybe as a dying act.
And Roos legitimized Ramsay
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why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
A king or queen can legitimize a bastard. Remember when Stannis offered to make Jon Snow a Stark?
So, yes, he'd need to be legitimized first, but the title of king or queen floats around for a lot of people in the realm so there could be many people who can legitimize him - maybe as a dying act.
And Roos legitimized Ramsay
I think Roos had Cersei/tommen do it for him since he was their pawn or so they thought
I'm betting half that room doesn't survive next week.
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even though Masie Williams is I believe in her 20's.
Lol. And Maisie Williams is now 22...so we don’t need to feel like total creeps for enjoying her semi-nude turn a little bit
She's 22. Good God she looks like she's 14
Probably dead but would love to see him live and and up taking care of the little girl with the burnt face he deserves a happy ending
it was probably burnt.
Speaking of which. Lyanna Mormont actress Bella Ramsey is 16. She looks like she's 12
I hope he makes it, one of my favorites.
Semi-related, but it’s a shame how Varys has been relegated to following Tyrion and Davos around, with very little left to contribute. No need to little birds to figure out what the army of the dead is up to.
Much like Littlefinger, I feel like once they passed the source material in the books, the show writers ran out of ideas to keep the character interesting.
I am still curious to see if we find out what the voice in the fire said when his “man parts” were roasted years ago. But I figure he’s history soon.
I could be wrong but I think only knights can update it but not 100% on that
Davos is one of my absolute favorites though. He nailed the "Maybe I will have that drink" line after Tormund told his story about giant's milk. I was cracking up.
I could be wrong but I think only knights can update it but not 100% on that
Speaking of...I find it hard to believe Jamie is just going to turn on Cersei after the war with the dead is all said and done. Anyone else think he has something else up his sleeve? Or is that relationship done with?
I could be wrong but I think only knights can update it but not 100% on that
I believe its only Kingsguard that can make edits.
I could be wrong but I think only knights can update it but not 100% on that
The story of being a king slayer is really a heroic one, not a heinous one. I don't know how his page is written, but if it were an honest account of the events that led up to that day Jaime would not shun the King Slayer moniker, he'd wear it proudly.
If the truth were known Ned Stark would be thought less of for immediately judging Jaime and suggesting he take the black as an oath breaker.
So you think all cards have been played and that nothing surprising will happen? I doubt it. Something out of left field will be happening.
Not being a dick at all. What I mean to say is, given the choice between taking one side vs the other, would Jamie truly choose against Cersei who is his sister, love of his life, and mother of his children?
Exactly! And then Tyrion is the only one by the fire who is optimistic about their changes...immediately after speaking to Bran....
No one in the entire realm knows more about the dead than Qyburn, his experiments got him kicked out of and banned from the Citadel.
I don't think it's beyond speculation that he has invented some way to manipulate wights and white walkers.
He did bring the Mountain back to life and he's obedient.
Stopping with the major surprises would be a real departure from the DNA of the show. I can't see it going out like that. It's a simpleton take, I know, but I think it's pretty compelling.
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But wtf secret plot could there be made that involves fighting the dead? Most likely youre going to die so what plot could come of it? Cersei threatened to kill jamie with the mountain. There are no secret plots here anymore. The secret plot was Euron getting the Golden Company and fighting for Kings Landing against whoever wins. There wont be anymore red wedding type oh shits.
So you think all cards have been played and that nothing surprising will happen? I doubt it. Something out of left field will be happening.
As far as secret plots with Cersei, yea I do. I think the surprises will involve Bran and what he can actually do. I could see the Red Priestesses showing up to help bring back the fallen(like Melisandre did with jon snow)
If so, I'm assuming Dany is going to be waiting with her dragon to take him out when he takes the "bait".....now that she knows the truth about Jon Snow, wouldn't it make sense for her to take Bran out as well so no one knows the truth???
If so, I'm assuming Dany is going to be waiting with her dragon to take him out when he takes the "bait".....now that she knows the truth about Jon Snow, wouldn't it make sense for her to take Bran out as well so no one knows the truth???
She would also have to take out Sam too.
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to lure the Night King in with Bran and kill him with dragon fire correct? Isn't that what they were asking Bran about and he didn't know because it's never been attempted?
If so, I'm assuming Dany is going to be waiting with her dragon to take him out when he takes the "bait".....now that she knows the truth about Jon Snow, wouldn't it make sense for her to take Bran out as well so no one knows the truth???
She would also have to take out Sam too.
Exactly....I think both of them are definitely targets....maybe Bran sees this and does some kind of end around with the Night King and forms the connection (whatever it may be) as theorized by some.
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But wtf secret plot could there be made that involves fighting the dead? Most likely youre going to die so what plot could come of it? Cersei threatened to kill jamie with the mountain. There are no secret plots here anymore. The secret plot was Euron getting the Golden Company and fighting for Kings Landing against whoever wins. There wont be anymore red wedding type oh shits.
So you think all cards have been played and that nothing surprising will happen? I doubt it. Something out of left field will be happening.
As far as secret plots with Cersei, yea I do. I think the surprises will involve Bran and what he can actually do. I could see the Red Priestesses showing up to help bring back the fallen(like Melisandre did with jon snow)
Completely agree regarding the red priestesses and Melisandre. Volantis is the hub of the lord of light religion, have a 1k army...she's on the cast list and said in season 7 she must die in Westeros. She's coming back in a big way.
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But wtf secret plot could there be made that involves fighting the dead? Most likely youre going to die so what plot could come of it? Cersei threatened to kill jamie with the mountain. There are no secret plots here anymore. The secret plot was Euron getting the Golden Company and fighting for Kings Landing against whoever wins. There wont be anymore red wedding type oh shits.
Not being a dick at all. What I mean to say is, given the choice between taking one side vs the other, would Jamie truly choose against Cersei who is his sister, love of his life, and mother of his children?
She's the mother of his children, and at minimum one of them is dead because of her. She threatened to kill him. She is sleeping with others. Jamie's arc has always been toward redemption. And I won't get into the prophecy that is talked about more in the books than the show, but I think he has to turn on her.
If so, I'm assuming Dany is going to be waiting with her dragon to take him out when he takes the "bait".....now that she knows the truth about Jon Snow, wouldn't it make sense for her to take Bran out as well so no one knows the truth???
I wonder if Valyrian Steel or Dragon Glass would kill the Night King.
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to lure the Night King in with Bran and kill him with dragon fire correct? Isn't that what they were asking Bran about and he didn't know because it's never been attempted?
If so, I'm assuming Dany is going to be waiting with her dragon to take him out when he takes the "bait".....now that she knows the truth about Jon Snow, wouldn't it make sense for her to take Bran out as well so no one knows the truth???
I wonder if Valyrian Steel or Dragon Glass would kill the Night King.
Don’t want to veer too far into the theory/possible spoiler realm, but in the book the much discussed prophecy also goes into how the Night King can/will be killed, which would involve a shocking twist related to major characters. Curious to see if the show goes there - getting the feeling they might.
Though, I suspect this is exactly what is going to happen.
So we will get the Jon Snow and Lyanna Stark reunion. Awww that will be so sweet to have his mother hold him.
Rickard (Ned's father) and Brandon (Ned's brother) (both murdered by Aerys - I believe burned alive) and Lyanna are all there - plus more back throughout their lineage. Even all the way back to Bran the Builder (who I believe was the first Stark) is down there.
Ned has a stone down there at least.
I don't hate the theory, but reality is there could be what 100 dead Starks down there AT MOST, you're fighting armies in the hundreds of thousands, adding some dead Starks to your army is a wasted plot line IMO, though it would be cool
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Did Ned bring Lyanna back from Dorne? That would've been a rough journey. Ned's head isn't down there either. I don't think Cat or Robb were sent back to Winterfell - just Rickon of the immediate family members. If there's gonna be shit going down in the crypts, it'd be cool of the Starks - dead and alive - were fighting on the same side.
Rickard (Ned's father) and Brandon (Ned's brother) (both murdered by Aerys - I believe burned alive) and Lyanna are all there - plus more back throughout their lineage. Even all the way back to Bran the Builder (who I believe was the first Stark) is down there.
Ned has a stone down there at least.
I don't hate the theory, but reality is there could be what 100 dead Starks down there AT MOST, you're fighting armies in the hundreds of thousands, adding some dead Starks to your army is a wasted plot line IMO, though it would be cool
You can't be brought back if you are burnt so that leaves Rickard and Brandon. Ned was just bones I believe that was given to them including the head. Having Lyanna come alive to fight Jon Snow would be completely messed up.
They telegraphed this bigtime with Benjen last season, whose condition the writers basically handwaved at the time - Benjen, if I understand correctly, was brought back by the Night King like other wights, but instead retained agency his mind.
Though, I suspect this is exactly what is going to happen.
IMO they will win the battle with the white walkers and suffer heavy losses but the Night King will almost certainly not be defeated.
The Jon Snow / Dany army will need reinforcements so whether that is Grey Worm or Messandei or someone from across the Narrow Sea or the Iron Islands helping them win and reinforcing them. I think all are in play there. Maybe even the Golden Company changing sides.
If prior theatrical battles play out as they have before we will have to see some kind of insane one in episode 6 or 7 that almost definitely has to involve whats left of the North plus the reinforcements I've alluded to v. Cersei v. the Night King. Lots of dragon fighting. I'd expect at least 2 if not all of the dragons to die in this battle.
They telegraphed this bigtime with Benjen last season, whose condition the writers basically handwaved at the time - Benjen, if I understand correctly, was brought back by the Night King like other wights, but instead retained agency his mind.
Benjen was not "brought back" by the Night King, he was saved from becoming a wight by the Children of the Forest.
I think there is a difference.
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there's a good chance they are somewhat conscience and fighting back on the side of good.
They telegraphed this bigtime with Benjen last season, whose condition the writers basically handwaved at the time - Benjen, if I understand correctly, was brought back by the Night King like other wights, but instead retained agency his mind.
Benjen was not "brought back" by the Night King, he was saved from becoming a wight by the Children of the Forest.
I think there is a difference.
Ah, thank you.
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even though Masie Williams is I believe in her 20's.
Speaking of which. Lyanna Mormont actress Bella Ramsey is 16. She looks like she's 12
She is a spitfire (her character)
Also, a few cannon with grapeshot or chains would devastate that undead army. Or, at least shred them up enough for the foot soldiers and cavalry to make short work of the scattered remnants.
Davos is one of my absolute favorites though. He nailed the "Maybe I will have that drink" line after Tormund told his story about giant's milk. I was cracking up.
Lots of humor in this episode. I think it's going to be tough to find moving forward. The culling starts next week.
Also, a few cannon with grapeshot or chains would devastate that undead army. Or, at least shred them up enough for the foot soldiers and cavalry to make short work of the scattered remnants.
Valerian steel is a rare metal. There are only a handful of valerian steel swords, let alone a suit of armor.
And, I don't think gun powder has been introduced to Westeros yet