Does John tell Dany she’s been doodling her nephew Aegon Targaryen?
The inquisition of Jammie Lannister who saves him? Bran? Brienne?
The continuation of the Sansa bitchfest 2019.
Tormund and company arrive at winterfell and let everyone know the shit is about to hit the fan.
Remember no matter where you are or what your doing he’s watching
I liked the episode a lot but I think we are going to lose several characters next week including Lyanna Mormont, Brienne, Tormund, Ed, Theon, and Jorah. It is going to be sad to see Brienne go as she is such a great noble character but we all know after last nights episode she is going to die soon.
I am really hoping that the Night King is splitting his army up that would be awesome to see Cersei get what she deserves but I doubt that happens. I don't think the Night King is going to strategize I just think he is going to work his way down south killing everyone in his way and adding to his army.
One thing to consider, now that the Night King has a dragon he can easily fly over the oceans to spread his armies everywhere. Nowhere is safe anymore.
Additionally, there's also a bit of a personal vendetta against Jon Snow after he eliminated one of the "generals" beyond the wall. Recall that the last scene of last season showed the army of the white walkers forming the crest of the Starks.
I think the clear focus of the Night King will be on Winterfell only. I predict that the white walkers will be defeated (with heavy casualties to the North) but the Night King will survive and retreat. I think that he will play a role in the final conflict with Cersei.
I wonder if the dragons are going to be held back during most of the battle until they figure out where the night king is positioned. The last thing they can afford is for one or both of them to be taken out as well. I think Arya is going to be the one to kill the night kings dragon with the spear that Gendry made her. I'm not sure if she will survive it.
Also, a few cannon with grapeshot or chains would devastate that undead army. Or, at least shred them up enough for the foot soldiers and cavalry to make short work of the scattered remnants.
Gunpowder isn't a thing, and humankind doesn't have the ability to make more valyrian steel. The swords that are made of it are all that's left. Recall back to earlier in the show, they made Joffrey a sword of Valyrian steel, by melting down Ned Stark's old blade.
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I'd imagine a knight decked out in Valyrian plate armor and sword would be pretty damn formidable?
Also, a few cannon with grapeshot or chains would devastate that undead army. Or, at least shred them up enough for the foot soldiers and cavalry to make short work of the scattered remnants.
Valerian steel is a rare metal. There are only a handful of valerian steel swords, let alone a suit of armor.
And, I don't think gun powder has been introduced to Westeros yet
Yes but Cersei's green wildfire that blew up the sept would have been helpful (assuming the dragons are neutralized by the ice dragon anyway)
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I'd imagine a knight decked out in Valyrian plate armor and sword would be pretty damn formidable?
Also, a few cannon with grapeshot or chains would devastate that undead army. Or, at least shred them up enough for the foot soldiers and cavalry to make short work of the scattered remnants.
Valerian steel is a rare metal. There are only a handful of valerian steel swords, let alone a suit of armor.
And, I don't think gun powder has been introduced to Westeros yet
Yes but Cersei's green wildfire that blew up the sept would have been helpful (assuming the dragons are neutralized by the ice dragon anyway)
She has plenty more. Qyburn mentions the other sites in season 6 or 7.
Because his character always does that. He may have the worst timing evar.
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why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
Why would Tyrion do that?
Arya running through the crypts in the trailers. She's being chased by Walkers, those same Walkers are being chased by wolves.
I found that interesting, and somewhat puzzling based on the way we've seen Bran speak -- I wouldn't say that his words or tone have generally inspired much optimism.
Of course, the optimism that I'm noting from Tyrion could just be the wine. Who knows if Bran even gave him the time of day when he tried to spark up that conversation.
Cersei?
It's far more likely IMO Tyrion fulfills Cersei's prophecy and chokes the life out of her than joins her.
I kind of think the story ends this way - with Tyrion choking Cersei to death, and you see Cersei die, but Qyburn still delivers her baby and when the baby is born it opens it's eyes and they're ice blue, like a wight and then the ending credits roll.
Dany
Jon
Sansa
Tyrion
Sam
The Hound
Bran
One Dragon
I'm guessing the dead will include:
The Night King
Brienne
Jaime
Sir Davos
The Mormunds
Arya
Thereon
Gray Worm
Basically all of the Wildlings
Two Dragons
Brienn, Tormund, Pod probably all screwed.
Lanister Bros. 33.33% chance one of three things happens. Both die. Both live. One dies.
Gendry I'll put at 50/50. Him being the last Baratheon is really it's own story line at this point. 50/50 He survives or House Baratheon is gone forever.
Grey Worm, lol he dead.
*Dothraki & Unsullied White Walkers are going to be awesome!
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Turning to the dark side if you will. I still don’t think it’s anything like trying to destroy Dany and the north. I think he got Cersei to lie that she was sending her army north because he knows that’s where the real war is. His intentions were correct but will result in a lot of people getting killed
Why would Tyrion do that?
Because it’s the right thing to do. The only war that matters right now is the war with the dead. He knew if Cersei wasn’t going agree to their little cease fire and agree to send her troops north to help then Dany wasn’t going north to fight the NK. I doubt he knew about the golden company and her plans to mop up what’s left but I bet the main plan was all him.
She’s already frustrated with his mistakes and when she learns it was his idea especially if she loses Grey worm missendei and Jorah that will be his final mistake and he will hear that word drakaris
this one is the white walkers, then you have a set-up episode before the kings landing battle, then the kings landing battle episode, and then a concluding episode
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why else bring up the leeching and the red priestess other than to remind people Gendry has a claim to the throne (and to move on to Gendry's sexual experiences, but I think it could have been more than that).
As a bastard, wouldn’t he have no claim to the throne?
I'm not sure of that. Robert had no legitimate children. His brothers are dead and they have no legitimate children. Wouldn't his bastard(s) have claim to the throne ? Queen Elizabeth I of England was Henry VIII's bastard. Henry's legitimate children, Edward VI and then Mary succeeded him. They both died without children and then Elizabeth succeeded them
Elizabeth wasn't a bastard. Her mother, Anne Boleyn was married to Henry at the time of her birth. (It looks like they cut it close as far as conception goes, however). Edward (the youngest child) was king first because he was male and Mary preceded Elizabeth because she was older.
All Gendry needs is any monarch to legitimize him as Robert's heir and his claim becomes as strong as Dany or Jon's.
All Gendry needs is any monarch to legitimize him as Robert's heir and his claim becomes as strong as Dany or Jon's.
I don't think that's realistic. What monarch would legitimize him so that he can take the monarch's job? I suppose a dying one...but Cercei hated ARobert and it would seem out of character anyway. To Danys, a Baratheon would not be seen as a legitimate crown-holder. Jon was kept in the dark his whole life because a Baratheon would have killed him. A monarch of a different country would have no standing to legitimize him.
this one is the white walkers, then you have a set-up episode before the kings landing battle, then the kings landing battle episode, and then a concluding episode
i'm not a fan of the White Walkers, just so much being made of them for nothing, really. So part of me wants it to be over with episode 3, but it would essentially be an 8 season tease for 1 battle. Not really sure what route they will take but this wouldn't surprise me.
this one is the white walkers, then you have a set-up episode before the kings landing battle, then the kings landing battle episode, and then a concluding episode
I don't think they will finish the Night King & the Walkers this episode.
The remaining episodes are all bonus sized. 1 hour & 20 minutes each. I think the North is gonna take a bit of a beating this week, then some gamesmanship & scrambling is gonna have to take place to seize power from Cersei & Euron Greyjoy. Take control of the Lannister Army, Iron Fleet & Golden Company...then defeat the Night King. That's my guess.
But which monarch would legitimize Gendry? Certainly not Cersei or Dany. I guess, maybe Jon, if he is declared King, but what purpose would that serve? If they wanted to go that route I think they would have had Jon legitimize him while he was still King in the North.
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i mentioned this before, any "monarch" can legitimize a bastard.
All Gendry needs is any monarch to legitimize him as Robert's heir and his claim becomes as strong as Dany or Jon's.
I don't think that's realistic. What monarch would legitimize him so that he can take the monarch's job? I suppose a dying one...but Cercei hated ARobert and it would seem out of character anyway. To Danys, a Baratheon would not be seen as a legitimate crown-holder. Jon was kept in the dark his whole life because a Baratheon would have killed him. A monarch of a different country would have no standing to legitimize him.
There could be many reasons and it's not just to claim the throne. Leigitimization is done to make a bastard essentially trueborn and they get the social status and "honor" and rights of being true born.
Stannis offered to legitimize Jon Snow as a Stark so he'd be the legitimate heir to Winterfell and Warden of the North in exchange for his allegiance taking back the North from the Bolton's.
Gendry can be legitimized for many reasons and it's not always by someone to take their job.
I think Dany might die next week also. I could see her dragon being taken down when they attempt to kill the night king in Bran's trap. If the lightbringer sword is going to arrive this season it could be at this moment after Dany turns into a walker and Jon drives his sword through her heart.
What I was hoping to see was that the Night King does serious damage at Winterfell but then heads south without killing everyone and leaving Rhaegal and Drogon alive. Then he attacks Kings Landing while the North regroups. As Cersei's army is being decimated The remaining members of Jon and Dany's army heads south and attacks the night kings army from the south. The two armies defeat the Night King but Cersei being Cersei she immediately orders her army to attack the North. Then we immediately have the second huge battle for the Iron Throne.
I think the unsullied and dothraki could go home if Dany is killed. That scene with Grey Worm sort of set that up IMO.
I think the unsullied and dothraki could go home if Dany is killed. That scene with Grey Worm sort of set that up IMO.
I think that most of them will be wiped out next week. If she is killed I think Jon will win the remaining fighters over with his bravery in the battle against the Night King.
Depends who you ask. Robert has Targaryan blood and he personally killed Rhaegar and the Mountain killed Rhaegars children. Ned and Jon Arryn both viewed Robert as having the best claim.
Sure, Viserion and Dany called Robert a userper, but he doesn't view it that way.
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Jon Snow aka Aegon and then Dany would have a higher claim than Gendry even if Gendry was legitimized. They were next in line after the Mad King, Rhaegar, and Viserys were killed. Robert technically didn't really have a claim while Dany and Aegon are alive.
Depends who you ask. Robert has Targaryan blood and he personally killed Rhaegar and the Mountain killed Rhaegars children. Ned and Jon Arryn both viewed Robert as having the best claim.
Sure, Viserion and Dany called Robert a userper, but he doesn't view it that way.
Viserys
Don't worry, the crypts are the safest place to be! They remind us every 10 minutes! I may head down there to watch the show.
Not sure if I expect a red wedding type of event - maybe something more along the lines of Cersei blowing up the Sept. The Army of the Dead gets in and - poof - everyone down there is gone.
Yeah it makes no sense. Huge swing and miss from the showrunners here.
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There is a dead army on the way with a leader that can raise the dead and they think it’s wise to put the women, children, and the helpless in a crypt surrounded by 1000 years worth of dead Starks? How have they not figured this out? I’m fully expecting a red wedding scene next week in the crypt.
Yeah it makes no sense. Huge swing and miss from the showrunners here.
I think I might be misunderstanding your point.
How is it a swing and miss yet at this point. I feel like the continued assumptions of the crypts being safe must have some foreshadowing...
Maybe the wildcard is Tyrion knowing it ahead of time (and the reason for why he wants to fight instead of go down there). We will see.
I think this story is shaping up to be a tragedy, that tragedy being Jon Snow. Craster's Keep? The father was partly Targaryen. Why has the NK always looked at Jon fondly?
Jon is the supposed leader of the "good side" but what is more tragic than realizing as much as you want to play one team, you have to play for another? What if the prince who was promised is actually the NK's prince? Ned and Jon have had many dreams of angry statues in the crypts, and we know there is going to be a big reveal down there.
Jon's lineage has in many ways been a handicap to him, and now once he has the right to the "iron throne" its actually his destiny to be the next night king. Thinking the mixture of old gods blood (northerners) with new gods blood (targaryen's blood, not even from Westeros) disrupted a "balance in the force" if you wanna call it that...
Anyway, i could see this NK dying, but his goal was really to wake the original who lies deep within the crypts of WInterfell. Everyone assumes the NK is going straight for Bran, i think he might throw them a curveball and head for the crypts.
Not impressed with the first 2 episodes given how long they had to write them. Do we really need several minutes of dragons flying around or a musical number? That is just lazy writing
Not impressed with the first 2 episodes given how long they had to write them. Do we really need several minutes of dragons flying around or a musical number? That is just lazy writing
Agreed, i thought the writing last episode was trash. The Bran-Jamie and Bran-Tyrion scenes were cut short, and overall i feel the dialogue is way off for certain characters. Arya scene felt forced, she's concerned with getting laid now? Is Bran not human? Then whats up with the cheesy one liners he spews out? If you're going to make him cold, commit to it 100%. Some character arcs seem off.
Since we've met Arya she's rebelled being a princess, didn't want to be a lady, learned to fight under Syrio, faught along side the Hound, and became no one under Jaquen. SHe's never once cared about love, or romance. Her sex scene was messy story telling, plain and simple.
Which is why I don't buy (or shouldn't by given how he's been sold), Sam of all people, not telling everyone the plan at Winterfell is trash, they need to find somewhere else for the women and children.
Since we've met Arya she's rebelled being a princess, didn't want to be a lady, learned to fight under Syrio, faught along side the Hound, and became no one under Jaquen. SHe's never once cared about love, or romance. Her sex scene was messy story telling, plain and simple.
Which is why I don't buy (or shouldn't by given how he's been sold), Sam of all people, not telling everyone the plan at Winterfell is trash, they need to find somewhere else for the women and children.
Weird to think that Arya is the only badass on this show that can't also want to get laid occasionally.
I also think it's possible that she had another motive that hasn't been made clear to us yet. I agree that a sudden bout of D-thirst would be an odd use of airtime as well as change in character....I trust that there's more to it than that.