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GoDeep13 : 4/21/2019 10:13 am
Christian Wilkins is getting high consideration at 6. Like his leadership, personality, and play. getting comparisons to Eagles Fletcher Cox. Passing Gary and Sweat.
I was  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 10:14 am : link
wondering if we were underselling Wilkins.
Welcome back.  
Diver_Down : 4/21/2019 10:15 am : link
It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
sy'56  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 10:16 am : link
3: Christian Wilkins – Clemson – 6’3/315

Grade: 84

Summary: One of the best defenders in Clemson history that has been a dominant force since 2015, where he was a Freshman All American. The three time All-American and two time Nagurski Award finalist was moved around the defensive line over the years but what never changed was his impact on the game. The sheer volume of plays made from the trenches over the years is incredibly rare. The coach’s favorite, when all is said and done, can be put anywhere along the line and it is as close to a guarantee as it gets that he will produce. He is a winning football player that makes others better and will be a defensive coordinators favorite, most versatile toy.

*My initial grade on Wilkins was one of the top 2 overall grades in the entire class. I have a thing for this kid and while I will stick to my board when draft time rolls around, I’d be ecstatic if he ended up in blue. And you know what? His best role in college was at the 5-technique and that is the gaping hole on this defensive line. While further scouting exposed some power-deficiencies, Wilkins is a true gamer that will wear several hats for a defense. A scheme that likes to switch things up and move guys around, Wilkins can be a stud. Top notch kid and a true culture-builder.

NFL Comparison: Gerald McCoy / TB
I like it  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 10:16 am : link
Thought he’d be in play at 17, but can’t argue with this. Certainly fits the bill for what kind of player, on and off the field, they want.

Thanks for the info
Many teams have Sweat off their board  
Diver_Down : 4/21/2019 10:16 am : link
due to concerns regarding the heart condition. Is that true with the Giants?
RE: Welcome back.  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14396070 Diver_Down said:
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?


Shhhh ... we want a stupid team to trade up for him
RE: sy'56  
The_Boss : 4/21/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14396073 Eric from BBI said:
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3: Christian Wilkins – Clemson – 6’3/315

Grade: 84

Summary: One of the best defenders in Clemson history that has been a dominant force since 2015, where he was a Freshman All American. The three time All-American and two time Nagurski Award finalist was moved around the defensive line over the years but what never changed was his impact on the game. The sheer volume of plays made from the trenches over the years is incredibly rare. The coach’s favorite, when all is said and done, can be put anywhere along the line and it is as close to a guarantee as it gets that he will produce. He is a winning football player that makes others better and will be a defensive coordinators favorite, most versatile toy.

*My initial grade on Wilkins was one of the top 2 overall grades in the entire class. I have a thing for this kid and while I will stick to my board when draft time rolls around, I’d be ecstatic if he ended up in blue. And you know what? His best role in college was at the 5-technique and that is the gaping hole on this defensive line. While further scouting exposed some power-deficiencies, Wilkins is a true gamer that will wear several hats for a defense. A scheme that likes to switch things up and move guys around, Wilkins can be a stud. Top notch kid and a true culture-builder.

NFL Comparison: Gerald McCoy / TB


Sy said very early he was very high on Wilkins. Said he compared favorably to Q. Williams.
RE: Welcome back.  
FrankieR : 4/21/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14396070 Diver_Down said:
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?


He didnt go anywhere....he was just a lil bit too revealing of his source.
Eric, you beat me to it  
ZogZerg : 4/21/2019 10:18 am : link
I had to look him up.

I love all this info flying around.
NE kid from Springfield MA...Locker Room A+  
edavisiii : 4/21/2019 10:18 am : link
Extremely Smart, overcame adversity as a youth, might need some weight room work. Can't complain, will add pass rush and speed
Wilkins always  
XBRONX : 4/21/2019 10:19 am : link
finds the ball or is it balls?
And I would not mind  
FrankieR : 4/21/2019 10:20 am : link
Wilkins at 6. Reminds me of Cam Hayward.

Would love him and Jones in round 1.
Gil Brandt - #10  
edavisiii : 4/21/2019 10:20 am : link
Wilkins had a very good pro-day workout. At the combine, he ran a 5.04 40 at 315 pounds. The very disruptive player won the William Campbell Trophy, a.k.a. the academic Heisman. The very high-character person has very good quickness for his size and is extremely flexible. He's a better pass rusher than run stopper. Random fact: Wilkins has seven siblings.
Great locker room guy too...  
Capt. Don : 4/21/2019 10:22 am : link
I'd love him in blue. I'd also love Tillery at 37
Track covering??  
Ryan : 4/21/2019 10:22 am : link
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Give me Wilkins & Daniel Jones  
Sean : 4/21/2019 10:23 am : link
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Daniel Jeremiah's #7...was #4  
edavisiii : 4/21/2019 10:23 am : link
School: Clemson | Year: Senior
Previous rank: 4

Wilkins has solid size (6-foot-3, 315 pounds) for the position, and he's been a disruptive presence along the Clemson line throughout his career. Against the pass, he has quick feet and hands, which allow him to routinely win early in the down. He's at his best when slanting and working through the edges of blockers. He isn't a powerful bull rusher. Against the run, he is much better on the back side. He relies on quickness to slip blocks and does a good job of avoiding cut blocks. On the front side, he'll occasionally get too high -- and consequently get turned and dumped. Overall, Wilkins has upside as a pass rusher and penetrator, but you'll have to live with some deficiencies at the point of attack.

Was passed up by White and Ed Oliver!
we  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 10:23 am : link
got to get better on defense or this team won't get better.
He does seem like someone that Gettleman and the owners would  
Anakim : 4/21/2019 10:24 am : link
absolutely love. His character is through the roof.
If we take Wilkins at #6  
edavisiii : 4/21/2019 10:26 am : link
I'd be happy with D Jones or D Bush at 17. If we go QB i'd like to see another Defensive guy at 37. If we go Defense at 17, OT or QB at 37. But would not complain if all 3 top picks were defense. Long term we need a QB. Short term Defense was out black eye! I think we will still get a quality player at 95 and 108....deep draft!
This is not surprising  
WillVAB : 4/21/2019 10:26 am : link
Some here talked about him as an option at 6 after the national championship game.

I would not be upset with the pick.

RE: He does seem like someone that Gettleman and the owners would  
FrankieR : 4/21/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14396097 Anakim said:
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absolutely love. His character is through the roof.


Also he played great in the 'Ship.
RE: He does seem like someone that Gettleman and the owners would  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14396097 Anakim said:
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absolutely love. His character is through the roof.


Character, and athleticism
Wilkins - ( New Window )
I like Wilkins  
Jay on the Island : 4/21/2019 10:27 am : link
With the health concerns with Sweat and some other issues that JonC eluded too I would rather go with Wilkins if those are the top two options. Wilkins would step in as the starting DE opposite Hill. The Giants need to draft at least two DL in the draft. Even if they do draft Wilkins at 6 I hope they draft a NT and another DE on day 3.
Wilkens  
ChicagoMarty : 4/21/2019 10:28 am : link
would look really good in Blue!
If Giants go with him at 6, you would think a top Edge  
ZogZerg : 4/21/2019 10:30 am : link
or QB would still be on the board at 17.

RE: Welcome back.  
GoDeep13 : 4/21/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14396070 Diver_Down said:
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Also  
GoDeep13 : 4/21/2019 10:34 am : link
keep a track on the name Kahale Warring. TE out of San Diego
I wonder how much of a role  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/21/2019 10:34 am : link
A behemoth like Dexter Lawrence next to him along with another likely 1st rounder Ferrell on the line with Huggins (early Day 3 pick) coming off the bench helped Wilkins
Wilkins is a very fine player and person. He'd be a great addition  
Ira : 4/21/2019 10:35 am : link
who would be worth the 6th pick but could be had somewhat later.
This is like the 15th different player linked to the Giants at 6  
BillT : 4/21/2019 10:37 am : link
What does that tell you.
Any player compared to Gerald McCoy is ok by me  
PatersonPlank : 4/21/2019 10:38 am : link
Sounds like a great player. No wonder Clemson was so good, look at all these dominant defensive players
RE: I wonder how much of a role  
PatersonPlank : 4/21/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14396118 CromartiesKid21 said:
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A behemoth like Dexter Lawrence next to him along with another likely 1st rounder Ferrell on the line with Huggins (early Day 3 pick) coming off the bench helped Wilkins


Or how much Wilkins helped them
RE: RE: Welcome back.  
The_Boss : 4/21/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14396115 GoDeep13 said:
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In comment 14396070 Diver_Down said:


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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?

Yes Haskins is off.


One down. One (Jones) to go.
RE: This is like the 15th different player linked to the Giants at 6  
BigBlueShock : 4/21/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14396125 BillT said:
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What does that tell you.

And yet, no matter who they pick we will have posters freaking out because they tipped their hand...
Me love him long time  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/21/2019 10:43 am : link
If the big 3 are gone, wouldn't mind Wilkins and his intangibles, build a proper locker room culture around Barkley, Hernandez and him akin to Yankees Core Four. 6 spot is looking very juicy.
RE: RE: This is like the 15th different player linked to the Giants at 6  
BillT : 4/21/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14396136 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14396125 BillT said:


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What does that tell you.


And yet, no matter who they pick we will have posters freaking out because they tipped their hand...

If one person guessed right it must have been a leak!
I like Wilkens. Stood out  
section125 : 4/21/2019 10:47 am : link
like a sore thumb in the CFB playoffs. He reminded me of a slightly smaller, faster Snacks Harrison..Can move side to side quickly.
Of all the DL, I'd like him best after Q....
Best player in the draft  
Brian in SI : 4/21/2019 10:51 am : link
IMO. Has been a stud since his freshman year.
I really like Wilkins  
Breeze_94 : 4/21/2019 10:52 am : link
but I was hoping at 17.

My only issue with him is he will turn 24 during his rookie season. He is 2-3 years older than most rookies and will be 28 by the time his first contract expires
Although not my first choice  
cokeduplt : 4/21/2019 10:54 am : link
I would definitely be happy with Wilkins
I read it as Risner  
jayg5 : 4/21/2019 10:54 am : link
And was curious why no mention of him in post. I need more coffee
This one makes sense  
Dave on the UWS : 4/21/2019 10:58 am : link
for Bettcher’s D. Quickness, not brute force to one gap, is what JB wants. That’s Wilken’s game. Also Gary’s.
RE: I read it as Risner  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14396146 jayg5 said:
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And was curious why no mention of him in post. I need more coffee


With the 37th pick in the 2019 NFL draft ... (shhhh)
Wilkins > Oliver  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 11:00 am : link
In my eyes, especially for this scheme.

I love the idea of a 315 pound freak athlete lining up all over the LOS
RE: Also  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14396117 GoDeep13 said:
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keep a track on the name Kahale Warring. TE out of San Diego


Trade Engram to NE for 32 + 2020 pick

I wouldn’t be upset with this TE at 37. I see Kelce 2.0 potential, thanks for the info
he was my "gut feeling" pick @6  
Jim Bur(n)t : 4/21/2019 11:02 am : link
Weeks ago - He fits the mold on/off the field...
Great comparison  
mittenedman : 4/21/2019 11:03 am : link
to Cox.

Wilkins is one of those guys who has been a domimant player virtually his whole career too. There is no bullshit there.

He is absolutely one of those clean prospects (complete) you are ok taking at 6.
Wilkins at 6  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 11:06 am : link
Bush at 17 ... Risner at 37 ... trade up from 95 for Warring or WR ...

Sign me up for this
RE: Also  
Klaatu : 4/21/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14396117 GoDeep13 said:
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keep a track on the name Kahale Warring. TE out of San Diego


Fuckin' A!
RE: RE: Also  
Festina Lente : 4/21/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14396161 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14396117 GoDeep13 said:


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keep a track on the name Kahale Warring. TE out of San Diego



Fuckin' A!
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Lol was just going to say that he was summoning you with that post.
RE: Wilkins at 6  
Festina Lente : 4/21/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14396158 GothamGiants said:
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Bush at 17 ... Risner at 37 ... trade up from 95 for Warring or WR ...

Sign me up for this


Shit, you just knocked it out the park there
Wilkins at 6  
Festina Lente : 4/21/2019 11:16 am : link
Or D lawrence at 17. Which is the better value here?
Regarding the SD State TE  
The_Boss : 4/21/2019 11:16 am : link
From Sy’s positional breakdown:

8: Kahale Warring – San Diego State – 6’5/251

Grade: 74

Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.

*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.

NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
Only issue is Wilkins plays 'light'...  
Torrag : 4/21/2019 11:21 am : link
...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.

I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one.
Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
RE: Wilkins at 6  
Brown_Hornet : 4/21/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14396158 GothamGiants said:
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Bush at 17 ... Risner at 37 ... trade up from 95 for Warring or WR ...

Sign me up for this

+1
RE: Wilkins at 6  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14396177 Festina Lente said:
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Or D lawrence at 17. Which is the better value here?


You just mentioned 2 of my favorite players in this draft ... I may get flamed for this, but I wouldn’t mind them selecting both.

You need talent, and depth, along the DL to keep everyone fresh and operating at peak performance. Both could be seen as “luxury” picks, but I’m all about BPA and they could both qualify at those spots.

Hill, Tomlinson, Wilkins, Lawrence ... yes please.

If I had to choose 1, Wilkins. His athleticism and pass rush ability and versatility make him an excellent choice. Lawrence is in my top 10, but he’s more of a run stuffer - which you can get later in drafts

Yes, I would take both if they were available (unless D.Bush was there).
RE: Only issue is Wilkins plays 'light'...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14396182 Torrag said:
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...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.

I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )


That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
RE: RE: RE: Also  
Klaatu : 4/21/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14396166 Festina Lente said:
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In comment 14396161 Klaatu said:


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In comment 14396117 GoDeep13 said:


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keep a track on the name Kahale Warring. TE out of San Diego



Fuckin' A!

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Lol was just going to say that he was summoning you with that post.


It's like the Bat Signal.
Gotham  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 11:25 am : link
Both guys would be awesome.
RE: Regarding the SD State TE  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14396178 The_Boss said:
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From Sy’s positional breakdown:

8: Kahale Warring – San Diego State – 6’5/251

Grade: 74

Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.

*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.

NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU


If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0
RE: RE: Only issue is Wilkins plays 'light'...  
section125 : 4/21/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14396186 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14396182 Torrag said:


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...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.

I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )



That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.


Yes as a collective there would and should be concern, but look what they did without Lawrence..did not slow them one bit.
Sometimes you just need football players and to me, Wilkins is a football player.
RE: RE: Only issue is Wilkins plays 'light'...  
WillVAB : 4/21/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14396186 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14396182 Torrag said:


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...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.

I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )



That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.



Dexter Lawrence was suspended for the Alabama game and Wilkins shined.
RE: RE: Regarding the SD State TE  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/21/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14396190 GothamGiants said:
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In comment 14396178 The_Boss said:


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From Sy’s positional breakdown:

8: Kahale Warring – San Diego State – 6’5/251

Grade: 74

Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.

*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.

NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU



If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0

Could use a power forward type receiver for Eli, something basketball on grass Reese never bothered with ironically. Receiving is very similar to rebounding.
Remember that name!  
Klaatu : 4/21/2019 11:37 am : link
Kahale Kuio Kalani Michael Wodehouse Warring

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Exciting and ascending, Warring is still a relative newcomer to the game, but he has the size, speed and athleticism to become a versatile, high-impact player on the pro level. He has the competitiveness to handle run-blocking duties and the talent to line up in the slot. While his production won't catch your eye, his tape does with quickness and ball skills that should make him a more productive target in the NFL than he was in college.

- Lance Zierlein, NFL.com.

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"He's exciting to project because he hasn't played that much football and he still has big-time flashes. He's one of those guys who was good at everything in high school athletics, and that usually translates out on the field." -- West Coast scout for NFC team
Dexter Lawrence is the better player  
Earl the goat : 4/21/2019 11:37 am : link
No doubt about it
The other 3 Clemson d lineman should be kissing his ass for the pay day they are about to get
Wilkins got his Bachelors and Masters in 3.5 years  
Anakim : 4/21/2019 11:38 am : link
He's a really impressive young man. He wouldn't be my first choice at 6, but he wouldn't be a bad pick by any means.
RE: RE: RE: Regarding the SD State TE  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14396198 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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In comment 14396190 GothamGiants said:


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In comment 14396178 The_Boss said:


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From Sy’s positional breakdown:

8: Kahale Warring – San Diego State – 6’5/251

Grade: 74

Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.

*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.

NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU



If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0


Could use a power forward type receiver for Eli, something basketball on grass Reese never bothered with ironically. Receiving is very similar to rebounding.


Thankfully this draft class is loaded with big targets, some nice values come into play @ 37. Offensive talent available + “needs” aligns pretty nice at 37 (Risner, Hakeem Butler, etc.)
Wilkins  
XBRONX : 4/21/2019 11:40 am : link
hasn't played in four months but he continues to rise.
Dexter Lawrence was suspended for the Alabama game and Wilkins shined.  
Torrag : 4/21/2019 11:41 am : link
I'm happy for him, but it doesn't change the analysis. He also had weeks to rest between games so if his motor wasn't ramped up and ready to go for that one...
RE: Dexter Lawrence is the better player  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14396202 Earl the goat said:
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No doubt about it
The other 3 Clemson d lineman should be kissing his ass for the pay day they are about to get


I want Lawrence, badly. You’re selling Wilkins a little short, he’s a force himself and may be a better fit in this scheme.

I would be thrilled with Lawrence at 6, I think he instantly steps in and could transform a team’s run defense. Wilkins you can do a little bit more with schematically, so I could see his versatility appealing to Bettcher

Sign me up for both (6, 17) should the draft fall that way. They are both in my top 10
RE: Wilkins  
section125 : 4/21/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14396208 XBRONX said:
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hasn't played in four months but he continues to rise.


Happens every draft. But, he stood out to me in the playoffs. In a sea of talent, Wilkins was one that I recognized as talented.
Well this is much better news than them going Gary at 6.  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/21/2019 11:48 am : link
I'm liking this pick. He's actually a great scheme fit and his character and natural talent make it hard to think he will bust. Someone posted the historical picks at 6 and it is very far from a sure thing you'll get a ten year pro. Wilkins seems to be a guy that will have a long productive career.
Wilkins  
Stan in LA : 4/21/2019 11:52 am : link
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Strengths:

Locker room leader with character that is off the charts
Face of the franchise personality
Experience as base end and defensive tackle
Instant snap reaction with fast hands into contact
Highly efficient in his movement
Stays under opponent's pads throughout the rep
Lateral quickness to disrupt in gaps
Can contort and slither around blocker's pads
Rare flexibility creates functional balance at awkward angles
Short area agility of a linebacker
Active to improve rush positioning
Shifts hips for optimal cornering inside the pocket
Can drop into space on zone-blitz calls
Batted down 15 passes during career

Weaknesses:

Initial quickness gives way to fatigue as rep continues
Overall play strength can improve
Not enough extension/separation after initial punch
Thick lower half missing quality anchor
Struggles with contact balance on down blocks
Lacks length and power to excel in two-gap scheme
Folded and collapsed when facing powerful double teams
Can do a better job of defeating reach blocks against him
Offensive linemen with length can bother him
Lacks length to pry off blocks
Average strength in playing through redirect blocks in pass rush
Scheme dependent

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Very good friend  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/21/2019 11:56 am : link
Who is an alum and a booster felt he was their best defensive player. Liked Lawrence but that Wilkins was the better player over him and Farrel
RE: RE: Welcome back.  
bw in dc : 4/21/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14396115 GoDeep13 said:
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?

Yes Haskins is off.


Jones definitely in play at 16...?
RE: RE: RE: Welcome back.  
section125 : 4/21/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14396227 bw in dc said:
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?

Yes Haskins is off.



Jones definitely in play at 16...?


Hope so...

The Giants pick 17th...
RE: RE: RE: Welcome back.  
GoDeep13 : 4/21/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14396227 bw in dc said:
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?

Yes Haskins is off.



Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
RE: we  
Giants38 : 4/21/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14396096 Eric from BBI said:
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got to get better on defense or this team won't get better.


I’m beating a dead horse, but if we don’t get better at QB, we won’t get better either. This front office may think Eli is the answer until he’s 45, but he’s not.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Welcome back.  
GoDeep13 : 4/21/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14396232 GoDeep13 said:
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?

Yes Haskins is off.



Jones definitely in play at 16...?

Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Welcome back.  
bw in dc : 4/21/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14396230 section125 said:
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Hope so...

The Giants pick 17th...


Thanks wise ass. I thought it was clear in my post that I was assuming we would trade up a spot... ;)
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GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14396236 Giants38 said:
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got to get better on defense or this team won't get better.



I’m beating a dead horse, but if we don’t get better at QB, we won’t get better either. This front office may think Eli is the answer until he’s 45, but he’s not.


and yet they managed to lead the division in scoring and could’ve had a winning record if his defense didn’t give away half of their games.

* I want a new QB. I do not want a reach just to take 1. Build the defense, with the strength of this draft, and make life easier for whoever the QB is.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Welcome back.  
section125 : 4/21/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14396239 bw in dc said:
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Hope so...

The Giants pick 17th...



Thanks wise ass. I thought it was clear in my post that I was assuming we would trade up a spot... ;)


Trade up a spot? Why would you trade from 17 to 16 for Jones?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Welcome back.  
bw in dc : 4/21/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14396244 section125 said:
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Hope so...

The Giants pick 17th...



Thanks wise ass. I thought it was clear in my post that I was assuming we would trade up a spot... ;)



Trade up a spot? Why would you trade from 17 to 16 for Jones?


I'm kidding.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Welcome back.  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14396238 GoDeep13 said:
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?

Yes Haskins is off.



Jones definitely in play at 16...?

Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.

Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.


This pleases me. Wilkins & Lawrence would be amazing ... and would go along way towards beating Dallas. No more gaping holes for Zeke, Dak’s gonna actually have to play QB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Welcome back.  
Giants38 : 4/21/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14396238 GoDeep13 said:
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?

Yes Haskins is off.



Jones definitely in play at 16...?

Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.

Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.


Not to be a curmudgeon, but if your guy is telling you this, how many other people are learning of this info? Gotta love the Giants, if they are allowing this information to leak out.

This is why the Raiders don’t trust anyone, by the way. So when people make fun of the Raiders for doing what they did, maybe people should look at the Giants when we get leapfrogged for players we like.

In any event, I’m going to continue to Hope For Haskins. I acknowledge that the sheer number of people reporting no on him make it unlikely. But no one can take my hope away.
If he's part of the consideration for #6,  
TheMick7 : 4/21/2019 12:26 pm : link
Tampa is looking for a DT & drafts 5th,could be a problem.....
RE: If he's part of the consideration for #6,  
DonnieD89 : 4/21/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14396268 TheMick7 said:
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Tampa is looking for a DT & drafts 5th,could be a problem.....


If the Jets trade out and a quarterback is taken at 3 and Tampa takes Wilkins, it appears a guy like Allen will be available. That would be an ideal situation.
RE: Dexter Lawrence was suspended for the Alabama game and Wilkins shined.  
WillVAB : 4/21/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14396209 Torrag said:
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I'm happy for him, but it doesn't change the analysis. He also had weeks to rest between games so if his motor wasn't ramped up and ready to go for that one...


Doesn’t change the analysis? He was a big reason why Clemson won both playoff games — games where Lawrence was suspended.

Wilkins was the star of the defense.
RE: If he's part of the consideration for #6,  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/21/2019 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14396268 TheMick7 said:
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Tampa is looking for a DT & drafts 5th,could be a problem.....

We should be able to pick one of Allen, QWill, and Wilkins.
RE: RE: If he's part of the consideration for #6,  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14396271 DonnieD89 said:
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Tampa is looking for a DT & drafts 5th,could be a problem.....



If the Jets trade out and a quarterback is taken at 3 and Tampa takes Wilkins, it appears a guy like Allen will be available. That would be an ideal situation.


I think Q is the best player in the draft, but Allen may actually be the best fit ... I love the idea of Carter/Allen at OLB in this scheme


Allen and Dexter Lawrence ... I’d stop caring about the draft if those 2 fell into our laps (I’d definitely still care, that would just be a dream start)
Wilkins  
AcidTest : 4/21/2019 1:00 pm : link
would be a fine pick at #6. White, Oliver, Sweat, and Gary all have one or more problems with health, fit, scheme, or character.

Wilkins is not a premier run stuffer, and will not be able to handle double teams in the NFL. But he is certainly strong enough to hold at the point of attack, especially as a 5T. He is also incredibly light on his feet, nimble, agile, quick, has excellent balance, and can drop into coverage on zone blitzes. He can play all over the line. He is extremely disruptive. His character is unquestioned.
If  
AcidTest : 4/21/2019 1:04 pm : link
the Giants want Waring, they will have to take him at #37. If they do, then I assume it's because they have acquired another second or third round pick, possibly by trading Engram.
RE: If  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14396305 AcidTest said:
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the Giants want Waring, they will have to take him at #37. If they do, then I assume it's because they have acquired another second or third round pick, possibly by trading Engram.


It’s almost inevitable that they trade up from 95 with all those extra 4/5th rounders available.

I wouldn’t mind Warring at 37, I think the offensive talent at 37 fits nicely with our needs (Risner, WR, TE).
Wilkins  
AcidTest : 4/21/2019 1:17 pm : link
is extremely versatile, which is extremely valuable. But does that make him a classic "jack of all trades, master of none." I don't think so, because he's not only versatile, he's extremely good at many of those "trades." But I understand the criticism that he's not truly outstanding at anything.
Most Mock Drafts have him outside top ten  
dk in TX : 4/21/2019 1:23 pm : link
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
RE: Most Mock Drafts have him outside top ten  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14396323 dk in TX said:
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Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?


Kiper said either yesterday or this morning that he's rising up boards.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 1:29 pm : link
Kiper also mentioned him with the Giants at #6.
RE: Most Mock Drafts have him outside top ten  
AcidTest : 4/21/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14396323 dk in TX said:
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Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?


Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.

But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.
RE: Most Mock Drafts have him outside top ten  
Klaatu : 4/21/2019 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14396323 dk in TX said:
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Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?


No offense, but most mock drafts are bupkis, even mine.

And haven't we seen every year that some team is going to take a player much earlier than all of the "experts" predicted and vice versa?
the giants never trade down  
GiantsFan84 : 4/21/2019 1:34 pm : link
i've given up getting my hopes up that they will
RE: RE: Most Mock Drafts have him outside top ten  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14396332 AcidTest said:
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Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?



Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.

But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.


The problem is you can want to trade down, but if there’s no player another team sees worthy of trading up for, it’s irrelevant. I’d love to “trade down” a few spots and land a Wilkins, Lawrence, Bush, Burns with some extra picks - but it also takes another team willing to sacrifice picks to move up.

I love the D talent in this draft, and yes you’ll get a similar graded player at 6 and 10 in this draft ... but that team at 10 may also feel the same way and not offer anything worth trading down for.
His leadership is a big plus  
dk in TX : 4/21/2019 1:40 pm : link
He is a "dog" in the feild and helps in the culture rebuild the Giants have been emphasizing recently.

Ed Oliver may still be on the board. A lot of team will pay a premium to grab him. We need to maximize our draft capital. Just saying.....
God BLESTO America...  
Ryan : 4/21/2019 1:47 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Most Mock Drafts have him outside top ten  
AcidTest : 4/21/2019 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14396340 GothamGiants said:
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Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?



Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.

But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.



The problem is you can want to trade down, but if there’s no player another team sees worthy of trading up for, it’s irrelevant. I’d love to “trade down” a few spots and land a Wilkins, Lawrence, Bush, Burns with some extra picks - but it also takes another team willing to sacrifice picks to move up.

I love the D talent in this draft, and yes you’ll get a similar graded player at 6 and 10 in this draft ... but that team at 10 may also feel the same way and not offer anything worth trading down for.


Agreed. You need a partner. My hope is that someone would trade up for a QB. But I don't think the Giants will trade down, and am fine if they don't. I typically don't favor trading down out of the top 10 unless someone makes an incredible offer.
Eh  
JonC : 4/21/2019 2:06 pm : link
I don't like him at #6, but know they really like him.
RE: RE: Most Mock Drafts have him outside top ten  
darren in pdx : 4/21/2019 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14396332 AcidTest said:
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Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?



Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.

But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.


After Gettleman’s press conference I’m expecting them to trade up into round 3 or 4 at least once to get someone they like.
RE: Eh  
bw in dc : 4/21/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14396375 JonC said:
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I don't like him at #6, but know they really like him.


I'd rather go with Oliver if we go with an inside dlineman.

I never have the greatest confidence in their next level play. They seem to peak at Death Valley.
a lot of reports are out there about the bengals trying to move up  
GiantsFan84 : 4/21/2019 2:17 pm : link
that would be the idea trade partner
RE: RE: Eh  
bw in dc : 4/21/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14396392 bw in dc said:
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I don't like him at #6, but know they really like him.



I'd rather go with Oliver if we go with an inside dlineman.

I never have the greatest confidence in their next level play. They seem to peak at Death Valley.


Clemson DLs that is...
RE: a lot of reports are out there about the bengals trying to move up  
dk in TX : 4/21/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14396396 GiantsFan84 said:
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that would be the idea trade partner


Atlanta is rumoured to want Ed Oliver badly. They have the 14th pick, though.
RE: a lot of reports are out there about the bengals trying to move up  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14396396 GiantsFan84 said:
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that would be the idea trade partner


I expect a whole lot of Haskins smoke this week ... force the Bengals hand in a trade up (Jets).

Miami is apparently trying to move up with the Jets with a blockbuster package as well ... despite the Tank for Tua mantra often associated with them
I'd rather one of the other D players at 6  
adamg : 4/21/2019 2:26 pm : link
We've seen DTs like Wilkins drop in recent years. I think it's possible he makes it to 17.
RE: RE: Most Mock Drafts have him outside top ten  
WillVAB : 4/21/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14396328 Eric from BBI said:
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Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?



Kiper said either yesterday or this morning that he's rising up boards.


I’m not buying that he’s moving up boards. I think he was high up on the real boards from the start and the draft community is just now catching on.
This guy is not in the same tier as Q. Williams  
Giantz_comeback : 4/21/2019 2:46 pm : link
And it seems obvious at the point the Giants want a versatile 3-4 DL guy vs. Edge as their top priority to address. He is a better pass rusher than Christian is. His hand technique is one of the best Ive ever seen.

With that said Id do all I could to trade up for Q.

But Wilkins is still pretty good.

Obviously Sy likes him , he was effective his freshamn uear (always a good sign) . Had one of Boyleharts highest grades this year:

STRENGTHS
Christian is a uniquely, talented and athletic football player. He can play multiple positions in multiple fronts on your defensive line and impact at all of them. He shows excellent leadership skills and is a coach on the field. He is smart and uses excellent techniques when defending against the run or when he is used to rush the passer. Christian has the athletic talent and the quick explosion off the line of scrimmage that makes it hard for offensive lineman to get set before he engages with them. He gains leverage because of his pad level and natural strength at just about any position you play him at on the defensive line or against any one of the offensive linemen immediately off the snap of the ball. On passing downs, when put over the center, he requires a double team or he will beat that center off the line and disrupt or sack the quarterback almost every time. Christian has the potential to be as good a football player as former Eagles and Packers Hall of Fame defensive lineman Reggie White. For you young Draftniks think of Christian as a bigger version of the Rams Aaron Darnold.


TALENT BOARD ROUND 1.32
Christian has made impacting plays on defense, on offense and on special teams. He can play defensive line at any position or become a dominating complete blocking and catching the ball Tight End on offense or…he can be and outstanding Christian Okoye style running back (look him up, I can’t do everything for you), if that is how you want to use him. That’s how his college team used him so why not? What is the most outstanding attribute that Christian will bring to the team that selects him, his character and that alone is worth the signing money this kid should receive. He is a leader who understands that the team concept is more important than just one person doing their job. His college team will struggle to replace this kid’s impact on and off the field for this program. So, if you need to add a multi-talented, athletic big man who can play multiple position for you on defense or offense and will be a coach on the field and a leader in the locker room and… has the character to make the community and team he plays for proud, then it would be smart to select Christian. I know I would if I’m in the top ten trying to build a team… for sure. I call him Christian (The Answer) Wilkins because he is the type of player who will be the answer to a team’s prayers.


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Did I read that right?  
jayg5 : 4/21/2019 2:49 pm : link
Thinks he has potential to be as good as Reggie White?

I’m still laughing.
They want the LEAD DOG  
Giantz_comeback : 4/21/2019 2:53 pm : link
On the Dline and he is certainly a character guy that Getts would love.

But so is Q. Williams. Can ALSO be the lead dog , stellar character. Man make the trade up!!!
RE: Did I read that right?  
Giantz_comeback : 4/21/2019 2:55 pm : link
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Thinks he has potential to be as good as Reggie White?

I’m still laughing.


WHO said that?
RE: They want the LEAD DOG  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14396456 Giantz_comeback said:
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On the Dline and he is certainly a character guy that Getts would love.

But so is Q. Williams. Can ALSO be the lead dog , stellar character. Man make the trade up!!!


Trading up with Jets to secure Williams or Allen makes so much sense for both teams. Jets drop 3 spots, get some extra picks, and land Oliver/Burns.
Boylehart - write up on Wilkins  
jayg5 : 4/21/2019 2:58 pm : link
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Giants  
jayg5 : 4/21/2019 3:00 pm : link
You’re the one that posted boylehart write up on Wilkins
RE: Giants  
Giantz_comeback : 4/21/2019 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14396465 jayg5 said:
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You’re the one that posted boylehart write up on Wilkins


Lol Boylehart gets carried away with hyperbole. Q has the chance to be a generational guy, Wilkins is not quite at the skill level.
RE: RE: Giants  
WillVAB : 4/21/2019 3:42 pm : link
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You’re the one that posted boylehart write up on Wilkins



Lol Boylehart gets carried away with hyperbole. Q has the chance to be a generational guy, Wilkins is not quite at the skill level.


Honestly I don’t see a ton of difference between Williams and all of the other Bama DL that have come out before him. High floor low ceiling.
Too high  
jeff57 : 4/21/2019 3:52 pm : link
Doesn’t have the size of a Fletcher Cox.
RE: RE: a lot of reports are out there about the bengals trying to move up  
Sammo85 : 4/21/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14396407 GothamGiants said:
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that would be the idea trade partner



I expect a whole lot of Haskins smoke this week ... force the Bengals hand in a trade up (Jets).

Miami is apparently trying to move up with the Jets with a blockbuster package as well ... despite the Tank for Tua mantra often associated with them


Dolphins want one of the pass rushers, either Bosa or Allen.

People need to check themselves if they think teams are going to give away a draft haul for mediocre QB prospects.
RE: RE: They want the LEAD DOG  
Sammo85 : 4/21/2019 3:57 pm : link
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On the Dline and he is certainly a character guy that Getts would love.

But so is Q. Williams. Can ALSO be the lead dog , stellar character. Man make the trade up!!!



Trading up with Jets to secure Williams or Allen makes so much sense for both teams. Jets drop 3 spots, get some extra picks, and land Oliver/Burns.


Not at all. I’m not trading our 2 and a bevy of other picks likely including a 2 or 3 next year to move up a few spots. This team needs multiple quality players.
RE: Too high  
GoDeep13 : 4/21/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14396565 jeff57 said:
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Doesn’t have the size of a Fletcher Cox.


Fletcher Cox

6'4 310

Christian Wilkins

6'3 315

He's a stud - also awesome at knocking down passes at the line  
Eric on Li : 4/21/2019 4:06 pm : link
Not sure he'll ever reach the dominant level of Fletcher Cox, but that's the upside with a pretty high floor. At minimum he's a better Sheldon Rankins. Would be my favorite pick at 6, but wouldn't mind it and at 17 he'd be great. There are a lot of highly talented defensive players in this draft so if they have conviction in 1 of the lesser talked about guys (Burns, Wilkins, etc) I'd have no issue.

Gary is the only guy who's a throw the remote pick for me - just seems like he has bust potential.
RE: RE: RE: They want the LEAD DOG  
adamg : 4/21/2019 4:17 pm : link
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On the Dline and he is certainly a character guy that Getts would love.

But so is Q. Williams. Can ALSO be the lead dog , stellar character. Man make the trade up!!!



Trading up with Jets to secure Williams or Allen makes so much sense for both teams. Jets drop 3 spots, get some extra picks, and land Oliver/Burns.



Not at all. I’m not trading our 2 and a bevy of other picks likely including a 2 or 3 next year to move up a few spots. This team needs multiple quality players.


I agree. I wouldn't trade any of our top 3 picks unless it's for a QB.
GoDeep13  
Mike in Prescott : 4/21/2019 4:20 pm : link
Just for shits and giggles, any idea of what the Giants think of Kyler Murray? Not that anything is likely to happen that way, but what do they think of him?
GoDeep  
adamg : 4/21/2019 4:22 pm : link
Any word on Remmers deal?
RE: GoDeep  
GoDeep13 : 4/21/2019 5:01 pm : link
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Any word on Remmers deal?
after draft.
RE: RE: Too high  
jeff57 : 4/21/2019 5:33 pm : link
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Doesn’t have the size of a Fletcher Cox.



Fletcher Cox

6'4 310

Christian Wilkins

6'3 315


Cox looks or plays a lot taller than one inch. Don’t get me wrong, I like Wilkins. But I don’t think he has the ceiling of a Cox.
Is it possible  
BlueManCrew : 4/21/2019 6:03 pm : link
That Wilkins supporting cast is so good that he might be a bit overrated? I mean... who do you double team between Wilkins, Lawrence, Farrell and Bryant? Very possible im way off base though.
Wilkins Breakdown  
Giantz_comeback : 4/21/2019 6:04 pm : link
Quite positive. 3 min.
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RE: Is it possible  
PatersonPlank : 4/21/2019 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14396723 BlueManCrew said:
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That Wilkins supporting cast is so good that he might be a bit overrated? I mean... who do you double team between Wilkins, Lawrence, Farrell and Bryant? Very possible im way off base though.


Its also possible that Ferrell is overrated because Wilkins is so good
RE: Is it possible  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14396723 BlueManCrew said:
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That Wilkins supporting cast is so good that he might be a bit overrated? I mean... who do you double team between Wilkins, Lawrence, Farrell and Bryant? Very possible im way off base though.


Wilkins is legit, Lawrence is 1 of my favorite players in this draft, and Farrell is the 1 I’m skeptical of

I have no concerns with Wilkins - he’s great
RE: RE: GoDeep  
Diver_Down : 4/21/2019 6:20 pm : link
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Any word on Remmers deal?

after draft.


I hate hearing this. Don't want to rely on a big guy with a bad back.
if playing light  
bc4life : 4/21/2019 6:56 pm : link
is a concern - then the Cox comparisons are off
RE: RE: RE: GoDeep  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14396739 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14396597 adamg said:


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Any word on Remmers deal?

after draft.



I hate hearing this. Don't want to rely on a big guy with a bad back.


Remmers + a guy like Risner/Little/Howard/Scharping makes sense to me
Diver Down  
bc4life : 4/21/2019 7:00 pm : link
they will mst likely be drafting a right tackle, possibly in 1st 3 rounds, possibly as early as 17
RE: Diver Down  
Diver_Down : 4/21/2019 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14396771 bc4life said:
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they will mst likely be drafting a right tackle, possibly in 1st 3 rounds, possibly as early as 17


If so, there is little need for Remmers. I don't want them to rely on Remmers only to punt on picking a capable RT. Putting any eggs in Remmers basket is a losing strategy.
they don't have a solid reserve RT  
bc4life : 4/21/2019 7:11 pm : link
So, they really need two
RE: if playing light  
GoDeep13 : 4/21/2019 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14396766 bc4life said:
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is a concern - then the Cox comparisons are off
Cox came in the league at 298. And, looking back, It was a knock against Cox too. I just looked at Walter football’s scouting report on Wilkins and even they compare him to Cox.
RE: they don't have a solid reserve RT  
Diver_Down : 4/21/2019 7:17 pm : link
In comment 14396774 bc4life said:
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So, they really need two


Draft a starter early and late rounder for depth. I don't want Remmers at all. I've been clear in the past. The OL needs to be fixed. Drafting Jonah fixes RT in the short term and pushes Nate off the roster in 2 years the latest. We still need to draft some depth across the line to develop, but we shouldn't expect to fix it with late rounders.

Speaking of Jonah, here is a recent story on his prep. Joe Thomas approves.
RE: RE: Diver Down  
GothamGiants : 4/21/2019 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14396772 Diver_Down said:
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they will mst likely be drafting a right tackle, possibly in 1st 3 rounds, possibly as early as 17



If so, there is little need for Remmers. I don't want them to rely on Remmers only to punt on picking a capable RT. Putting any eggs in Remmers basket is a losing strategy.


Signing Remmers doesn’t mean no rookie RT

It means Wheeler is likely cut. Remmers is a no brainer signing at the right price - he’s a decent vet RT to plug in while a young guy develops
+ for sure  
SCGiantsFan : 4/21/2019 7:34 pm : link
Bush at 17 ... Risner at 37 ... trade up from 95 for Warring or WR ...

Sign me up for this
RE: RE: GoDeep  
adamg : 4/21/2019 7:56 pm : link
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Any word on Remmers deal?

after draft.


Thanks.
Wilkins ....  
ryanmkeane : 4/21/2019 8:29 pm : link
the guy has an extremely high floor, not guaranteed to not be a bust but it’s close. That’s why I’d highly consider him at 6
Reggie White?  
rasbutant : 4/21/2019 9:12 pm : link
Drew Boylhart thinks so...
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