Christian Wilkins is getting high consideration at 6. Like his leadership, personality, and play. getting comparisons to Eagles Fletcher Cox. Passing Gary and Sweat.
Summary: One of the best defenders in Clemson history that has been a dominant force since 2015, where he was a Freshman All American. The three time All-American and two time Nagurski Award finalist was moved around the defensive line over the years but what never changed was his impact on the game. The sheer volume of plays made from the trenches over the years is incredibly rare. The coach’s favorite, when all is said and done, can be put anywhere along the line and it is as close to a guarantee as it gets that he will produce. He is a winning football player that makes others better and will be a defensive coordinators favorite, most versatile toy.
*My initial grade on Wilkins was one of the top 2 overall grades in the entire class. I have a thing for this kid and while I will stick to my board when draft time rolls around, I’d be ecstatic if he ended up in blue. And you know what? His best role in college was at the 5-technique and that is the gaping hole on this defensive line. While further scouting exposed some power-deficiencies, Wilkins is a true gamer that will wear several hats for a defense. A scheme that likes to switch things up and move guys around, Wilkins can be a stud. Top notch kid and a true culture-builder.
Summary: One of the best defenders in Clemson history that has been a dominant force since 2015, where he was a Freshman All American. The three time All-American and two time Nagurski Award finalist was moved around the defensive line over the years but what never changed was his impact on the game. The sheer volume of plays made from the trenches over the years is incredibly rare. The coach’s favorite, when all is said and done, can be put anywhere along the line and it is as close to a guarantee as it gets that he will produce. He is a winning football player that makes others better and will be a defensive coordinators favorite, most versatile toy.
*My initial grade on Wilkins was one of the top 2 overall grades in the entire class. I have a thing for this kid and while I will stick to my board when draft time rolls around, I’d be ecstatic if he ended up in blue. And you know what? His best role in college was at the 5-technique and that is the gaping hole on this defensive line. While further scouting exposed some power-deficiencies, Wilkins is a true gamer that will wear several hats for a defense. A scheme that likes to switch things up and move guys around, Wilkins can be a stud. Top notch kid and a true culture-builder.
NFL Comparison: Gerald McCoy / TB
Sy said very early he was very high on Wilkins. Said he compared favorably to Q. Williams.
Wilkins had a very good pro-day workout. At the combine, he ran a 5.04 40 at 315 pounds. The very disruptive player won the William Campbell Trophy, a.k.a. the academic Heisman. The very high-character person has very good quickness for his size and is extremely flexible. He's a better pass rusher than run stopper. Random fact: Wilkins has seven siblings.
Wilkins has solid size (6-foot-3, 315 pounds) for the position, and he's been a disruptive presence along the Clemson line throughout his career. Against the pass, he has quick feet and hands, which allow him to routinely win early in the down. He's at his best when slanting and working through the edges of blockers. He isn't a powerful bull rusher. Against the run, he is much better on the back side. He relies on quickness to slip blocks and does a good job of avoiding cut blocks. On the front side, he'll occasionally get too high -- and consequently get turned and dumped. Overall, Wilkins has upside as a pass rusher and penetrator, but you'll have to live with some deficiencies at the point of attack.
I'd be happy with D Jones or D Bush at 17. If we go QB i'd like to see another Defensive guy at 37. If we go Defense at 17, OT or QB at 37. But would not complain if all 3 top picks were defense. Long term we need a QB. Short term Defense was out black eye! I think we will still get a quality player at 95 and 108....deep draft!
With the health concerns with Sweat and some other issues that JonC eluded too I would rather go with Wilkins if those are the top two options. Wilkins would step in as the starting DE opposite Hill. The Giants need to draft at least two DL in the draft. Even if they do draft Wilkins at 6 I hope they draft a NT and another DE on day 3.
A behemoth like Dexter Lawrence next to him along with another likely 1st rounder Ferrell on the line with Huggins (early Day 3 pick) coming off the bench helped Wilkins
Wilkins is a very fine player and person. He'd be a great addition Â
A behemoth like Dexter Lawrence next to him along with another likely 1st rounder Ferrell on the line with Huggins (early Day 3 pick) coming off the bench helped Wilkins
If the big 3 are gone, wouldn't mind Wilkins and his intangibles, build a proper locker room culture around Barkley, Hernandez and him akin to Yankees Core Four. 6 spot is looking very juicy.
RE: RE: This is like the 15th different player linked to the Giants at 6 Â
like a sore thumb in the CFB playoffs. He reminded me of a slightly smaller, faster Snacks Harrison..Can move side to side quickly.
Of all the DL, I'd like him best after Q....
My only issue with him is he will turn 24 during his rookie season. He is 2-3 years older than most rookies and will be 28 by the time his first contract expires
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
Or D lawrence at 17. Which is the better value here?
You just mentioned 2 of my favorite players in this draft ... I may get flamed for this, but I wouldn’t mind them selecting both.
You need talent, and depth, along the DL to keep everyone fresh and operating at peak performance. Both could be seen as “luxury” picks, but I’m all about BPA and they could both qualify at those spots.
Hill, Tomlinson, Wilkins, Lawrence ... yes please.
If I had to choose 1, Wilkins. His athleticism and pass rush ability and versatility make him an excellent choice. Lawrence is in my top 10, but he’s more of a run stuffer - which you can get later in drafts
Yes, I would take both if they were available (unless D.Bush was there).
...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
Yes as a collective there would and should be concern, but look what they did without Lawrence..did not slow them one bit.
Sometimes you just need football players and to me, Wilkins is a football player.
...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
Dexter Lawrence was suspended for the Alabama game and Wilkins shined.
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0
Could use a power forward type receiver for Eli, something basketball on grass Reese never bothered with ironically. Receiving is very similar to rebounding.
Exciting and ascending, Warring is still a relative newcomer to the game, but he has the size, speed and athleticism to become a versatile, high-impact player on the pro level. He has the competitiveness to handle run-blocking duties and the talent to line up in the slot. While his production won't catch your eye, his tape does with quickness and ball skills that should make him a more productive target in the NFL than he was in college.
- Lance Zierlein, NFL.com.
Quote:
"He's exciting to project because he hasn't played that much football and he still has big-time flashes. He's one of those guys who was good at everything in high school athletics, and that usually translates out on the field." -- West Coast scout for NFC team
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0
Could use a power forward type receiver for Eli, something basketball on grass Reese never bothered with ironically. Receiving is very similar to rebounding.
Thankfully this draft class is loaded with big targets, some nice values come into play @ 37. Offensive talent available + “needs” aligns pretty nice at 37 (Risner, Hakeem Butler, etc.)
I'm happy for him, but it doesn't change the analysis. He also had weeks to rest between games so if his motor wasn't ramped up and ready to go for that one...
No doubt about it
The other 3 Clemson d lineman should be kissing his ass for the pay day they are about to get
I want Lawrence, badly. You’re selling Wilkins a little short, he’s a force himself and may be a better fit in this scheme.
I would be thrilled with Lawrence at 6, I think he instantly steps in and could transform a team’s run defense. Wilkins you can do a little bit more with schematically, so I could see his versatility appealing to Bettcher
Sign me up for both (6, 17) should the draft fall that way. They are both in my top 10
I'm liking this pick. He's actually a great scheme fit and his character and natural talent make it hard to think he will bust. Someone posted the historical picks at 6 and it is very far from a sure thing you'll get a ten year pro. Wilkins seems to be a guy that will have a long productive career.
Locker room leader with character that is off the charts
Face of the franchise personality
Experience as base end and defensive tackle
Instant snap reaction with fast hands into contact
Highly efficient in his movement
Stays under opponent's pads throughout the rep
Lateral quickness to disrupt in gaps
Can contort and slither around blocker's pads
Rare flexibility creates functional balance at awkward angles
Short area agility of a linebacker
Active to improve rush positioning
Shifts hips for optimal cornering inside the pocket
Can drop into space on zone-blitz calls
Batted down 15 passes during career
Weaknesses:
Initial quickness gives way to fatigue as rep continues
Overall play strength can improve
Not enough extension/separation after initial punch
Thick lower half missing quality anchor
Struggles with contact balance on down blocks
Lacks length and power to excel in two-gap scheme
Folded and collapsed when facing powerful double teams
Can do a better job of defeating reach blocks against him
Offensive linemen with length can bother him
Lacks length to pry off blocks
Average strength in playing through redirect blocks in pass rush
Scheme dependent
got to get better on defense or this team won't get better.
I’m beating a dead horse, but if we don’t get better at QB, we won’t get better either. This front office may think Eli is the answer until he’s 45, but he’s not.
It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.
got to get better on defense or this team won't get better.
I’m beating a dead horse, but if we don’t get better at QB, we won’t get better either. This front office may think Eli is the answer until he’s 45, but he’s not.
and yet they managed to lead the division in scoring and could’ve had a winning record if his defense didn’t give away half of their games.
* I want a new QB. I do not want a reach just to take 1. Build the defense, with the strength of this draft, and make life easier for whoever the QB is.
It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.
This pleases me. Wilkins & Lawrence would be amazing ... and would go along way towards beating Dallas. No more gaping holes for Zeke, Dak’s gonna actually have to play QB.
It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.
Not to be a curmudgeon, but if your guy is telling you this, how many other people are learning of this info? Gotta love the Giants, if they are allowing this information to leak out.
This is why the Raiders don’t trust anyone, by the way. So when people make fun of the Raiders for doing what they did, maybe people should look at the Giants when we get leapfrogged for players we like.
In any event, I’m going to continue to Hope For Haskins. I acknowledge that the sheer number of people reporting no on him make it unlikely. But no one can take my hope away.
Tampa is looking for a DT & drafts 5th,could be a problem.....
If the Jets trade out and a quarterback is taken at 3 and Tampa takes Wilkins, it appears a guy like Allen will be available. That would be an ideal situation.
RE: Dexter Lawrence was suspended for the Alabama game and Wilkins shined. Â
I'm happy for him, but it doesn't change the analysis. He also had weeks to rest between games so if his motor wasn't ramped up and ready to go for that one...
Doesn’t change the analysis? He was a big reason why Clemson won both playoff games — games where Lawrence was suspended.
Tampa is looking for a DT & drafts 5th,could be a problem.....
If the Jets trade out and a quarterback is taken at 3 and Tampa takes Wilkins, it appears a guy like Allen will be available. That would be an ideal situation.
I think Q is the best player in the draft, but Allen may actually be the best fit ... I love the idea of Carter/Allen at OLB in this scheme
Allen and Dexter Lawrence ... I’d stop caring about the draft if those 2 fell into our laps (I’d definitely still care, that would just be a dream start)
would be a fine pick at #6. White, Oliver, Sweat, and Gary all have one or more problems with health, fit, scheme, or character.
Wilkins is not a premier run stuffer, and will not be able to handle double teams in the NFL. But he is certainly strong enough to hold at the point of attack, especially as a 5T. He is also incredibly light on his feet, nimble, agile, quick, has excellent balance, and can drop into coverage on zone blitzes. He can play all over the line. He is extremely disruptive. His character is unquestioned.
the Giants want Waring, they will have to take him at #37. If they do, then I assume it's because they have acquired another second or third round pick, possibly by trading Engram.
the Giants want Waring, they will have to take him at #37. If they do, then I assume it's because they have acquired another second or third round pick, possibly by trading Engram.
It’s almost inevitable that they trade up from 95 with all those extra 4/5th rounders available.
I wouldn’t mind Warring at 37, I think the offensive talent at 37 fits nicely with our needs (Risner, WR, TE).
is extremely versatile, which is extremely valuable. But does that make him a classic "jack of all trades, master of none." I don't think so, because he's not only versatile, he's extremely good at many of those "trades." But I understand the criticism that he's not truly outstanding at anything.
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Kiper said either yesterday or this morning that he's rising up boards.
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.
But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
No offense, but most mock drafts are bupkis, even mine.
And haven't we seen every year that some team is going to take a player much earlier than all of the "experts" predicted and vice versa?
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.
But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.
The problem is you can want to trade down, but if there’s no player another team sees worthy of trading up for, it’s irrelevant. I’d love to “trade down” a few spots and land a Wilkins, Lawrence, Bush, Burns with some extra picks - but it also takes another team willing to sacrifice picks to move up.
I love the D talent in this draft, and yes you’ll get a similar graded player at 6 and 10 in this draft ... but that team at 10 may also feel the same way and not offer anything worth trading down for.
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.
But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.
The problem is you can want to trade down, but if there’s no player another team sees worthy of trading up for, it’s irrelevant. I’d love to “trade down” a few spots and land a Wilkins, Lawrence, Bush, Burns with some extra picks - but it also takes another team willing to sacrifice picks to move up.
I love the D talent in this draft, and yes you’ll get a similar graded player at 6 and 10 in this draft ... but that team at 10 may also feel the same way and not offer anything worth trading down for.
Agreed. You need a partner. My hope is that someone would trade up for a QB. But I don't think the Giants will trade down, and am fine if they don't. I typically don't favor trading down out of the top 10 unless someone makes an incredible offer.
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.
But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.
After Gettleman’s press conference I’m expecting them to trade up into round 3 or 4 at least once to get someone they like.
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Kiper said either yesterday or this morning that he's rising up boards.
I’m not buying that he’s moving up boards. I think he was high up on the real boards from the start and the draft community is just now catching on.
And it seems obvious at the point the Giants want a versatile 3-4 DL guy vs. Edge as their top priority to address. He is a better pass rusher than Christian is. His hand technique is one of the best Ive ever seen.
With that said Id do all I could to trade up for Q.
But Wilkins is still pretty good.
Obviously Sy likes him , he was effective his freshamn uear (always a good sign) . Had one of Boyleharts highest grades this year:
STRENGTHS
Christian is a uniquely, talented and athletic football player. He can play multiple positions in multiple fronts on your defensive line and impact at all of them. He shows excellent leadership skills and is a coach on the field. He is smart and uses excellent techniques when defending against the run or when he is used to rush the passer. Christian has the athletic talent and the quick explosion off the line of scrimmage that makes it hard for offensive lineman to get set before he engages with them. He gains leverage because of his pad level and natural strength at just about any position you play him at on the defensive line or against any one of the offensive linemen immediately off the snap of the ball. On passing downs, when put over the center, he requires a double team or he will beat that center off the line and disrupt or sack the quarterback almost every time. Christian has the potential to be as good a football player as former Eagles and Packers Hall of Fame defensive lineman Reggie White. For you young Draftniks think of Christian as a bigger version of the Rams Aaron Darnold.
TALENT BOARD ROUND 1.32
Christian has made impacting plays on defense, on offense and on special teams. He can play defensive line at any position or become a dominating complete blocking and catching the ball Tight End on offense or…he can be and outstanding Christian Okoye style running back (look him up, I can’t do everything for you), if that is how you want to use him. That’s how his college team used him so why not? What is the most outstanding attribute that Christian will bring to the team that selects him, his character and that alone is worth the signing money this kid should receive. He is a leader who understands that the team concept is more important than just one person doing their job. His college team will struggle to replace this kid’s impact on and off the field for this program. So, if you need to add a multi-talented, athletic big man who can play multiple position for you on defense or offense and will be a coach on the field and a leader in the locker room and… has the character to make the community and team he plays for proud, then it would be smart to select Christian. I know I would if I’m in the top ten trying to build a team… for sure. I call him Christian (The Answer) Wilkins because he is the type of player who will be the answer to a team’s prayers.
On the Dline and he is certainly a character guy that Getts would love.
But so is Q. Williams. Can ALSO be the lead dog , stellar character. Man make the trade up!!!
Trading up with Jets to secure Williams or Allen makes so much sense for both teams. Jets drop 3 spots, get some extra picks, and land Oliver/Burns.
Not at all. I’m not trading our 2 and a bevy of other picks likely including a 2 or 3 next year to move up a few spots. This team needs multiple quality players.
Not sure he'll ever reach the dominant level of Fletcher Cox, but that's the upside with a pretty high floor. At minimum he's a better Sheldon Rankins. Would be my favorite pick at 6, but wouldn't mind it and at 17 he'd be great. There are a lot of highly talented defensive players in this draft so if they have conviction in 1 of the lesser talked about guys (Burns, Wilkins, etc) I'd have no issue.
Gary is the only guy who's a throw the remote pick for me - just seems like he has bust potential.
On the Dline and he is certainly a character guy that Getts would love.
But so is Q. Williams. Can ALSO be the lead dog , stellar character. Man make the trade up!!!
Trading up with Jets to secure Williams or Allen makes so much sense for both teams. Jets drop 3 spots, get some extra picks, and land Oliver/Burns.
Not at all. I’m not trading our 2 and a bevy of other picks likely including a 2 or 3 next year to move up a few spots. This team needs multiple quality players.
I agree. I wouldn't trade any of our top 3 picks unless it's for a QB.
Just for shits and giggles, any idea of what the Giants think of Kyler Murray? Not that anything is likely to happen that way, but what do they think of him?
That Wilkins supporting cast is so good that he might be a bit overrated? I mean... who do you double team between Wilkins, Lawrence, Farrell and Bryant? Very possible im way off base though.
That Wilkins supporting cast is so good that he might be a bit overrated? I mean... who do you double team between Wilkins, Lawrence, Farrell and Bryant? Very possible im way off base though.
Its also possible that Ferrell is overrated because Wilkins is so good
That Wilkins supporting cast is so good that he might be a bit overrated? I mean... who do you double team between Wilkins, Lawrence, Farrell and Bryant? Very possible im way off base though.
Wilkins is legit, Lawrence is 1 of my favorite players in this draft, and Farrell is the 1 I’m skeptical of
they will mst likely be drafting a right tackle, possibly in 1st 3 rounds, possibly as early as 17
If so, there is little need for Remmers. I don't want them to rely on Remmers only to punt on picking a capable RT. Putting any eggs in Remmers basket is a losing strategy.
Cox came in the league at 298. And, looking back, It was a knock against Cox too. I just looked at Walter football’s scouting report on Wilkins and even they compare him to Cox.
Draft a starter early and late rounder for depth. I don't want Remmers at all. I've been clear in the past. The OL needs to be fixed. Drafting Jonah fixes RT in the short term and pushes Nate off the roster in 2 years the latest. We still need to draft some depth across the line to develop, but we shouldn't expect to fix it with late rounders.
Speaking of Jonah, here is a recent story on his prep. Joe Thomas approves.
they will mst likely be drafting a right tackle, possibly in 1st 3 rounds, possibly as early as 17
If so, there is little need for Remmers. I don't want them to rely on Remmers only to punt on picking a capable RT. Putting any eggs in Remmers basket is a losing strategy.
Signing Remmers doesn’t mean no rookie RT
It means Wheeler is likely cut. Remmers is a no brainer signing at the right price - he’s a decent vet RT to plug in while a young guy develops
Grade: 84
Summary: One of the best defenders in Clemson history that has been a dominant force since 2015, where he was a Freshman All American. The three time All-American and two time Nagurski Award finalist was moved around the defensive line over the years but what never changed was his impact on the game. The sheer volume of plays made from the trenches over the years is incredibly rare. The coach’s favorite, when all is said and done, can be put anywhere along the line and it is as close to a guarantee as it gets that he will produce. He is a winning football player that makes others better and will be a defensive coordinators favorite, most versatile toy.
*My initial grade on Wilkins was one of the top 2 overall grades in the entire class. I have a thing for this kid and while I will stick to my board when draft time rolls around, I’d be ecstatic if he ended up in blue. And you know what? His best role in college was at the 5-technique and that is the gaping hole on this defensive line. While further scouting exposed some power-deficiencies, Wilkins is a true gamer that will wear several hats for a defense. A scheme that likes to switch things up and move guys around, Wilkins can be a stud. Top notch kid and a true culture-builder.
NFL Comparison: Gerald McCoy / TB
Thanks for the info
Shhhh ... we want a stupid team to trade up for him
Grade: 84
Summary: One of the best defenders in Clemson history that has been a dominant force since 2015, where he was a Freshman All American. The three time All-American and two time Nagurski Award finalist was moved around the defensive line over the years but what never changed was his impact on the game. The sheer volume of plays made from the trenches over the years is incredibly rare. The coach’s favorite, when all is said and done, can be put anywhere along the line and it is as close to a guarantee as it gets that he will produce. He is a winning football player that makes others better and will be a defensive coordinators favorite, most versatile toy.
*My initial grade on Wilkins was one of the top 2 overall grades in the entire class. I have a thing for this kid and while I will stick to my board when draft time rolls around, I’d be ecstatic if he ended up in blue. And you know what? His best role in college was at the 5-technique and that is the gaping hole on this defensive line. While further scouting exposed some power-deficiencies, Wilkins is a true gamer that will wear several hats for a defense. A scheme that likes to switch things up and move guys around, Wilkins can be a stud. Top notch kid and a true culture-builder.
NFL Comparison: Gerald McCoy / TB
Sy said very early he was very high on Wilkins. Said he compared favorably to Q. Williams.
He didnt go anywhere....he was just a lil bit too revealing of his source.
I love all this info flying around.
Would love him and Jones in round 1.
Previous rank: 4
Wilkins has solid size (6-foot-3, 315 pounds) for the position, and he's been a disruptive presence along the Clemson line throughout his career. Against the pass, he has quick feet and hands, which allow him to routinely win early in the down. He's at his best when slanting and working through the edges of blockers. He isn't a powerful bull rusher. Against the run, he is much better on the back side. He relies on quickness to slip blocks and does a good job of avoiding cut blocks. On the front side, he'll occasionally get too high -- and consequently get turned and dumped. Overall, Wilkins has upside as a pass rusher and penetrator, but you'll have to live with some deficiencies at the point of attack.
Was passed up by White and Ed Oliver!
I would not be upset with the pick.
Also he played great in the 'Ship.
Character, and athleticism
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Or how much Wilkins helped them
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
One down. One (Jones) to go.
And yet, no matter who they pick we will have posters freaking out because they tipped their hand...
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What does that tell you.
And yet, no matter who they pick we will have posters freaking out because they tipped their hand...
If one person guessed right it must have been a leak!
Of all the DL, I'd like him best after Q....
My only issue with him is he will turn 24 during his rookie season. He is 2-3 years older than most rookies and will be 28 by the time his first contract expires
With the 37th pick in the 2019 NFL draft ... (shhhh)
I love the idea of a 315 pound freak athlete lining up all over the LOS
Trade Engram to NE for 32 + 2020 pick
I wouldn’t be upset with this TE at 37. I see Kelce 2.0 potential, thanks for the info
Wilkins is one of those guys who has been a domimant player virtually his whole career too. There is no bullshit there.
He is absolutely one of those clean prospects (complete) you are ok taking at 6.
Sign me up for this
Fuckin' A!
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keep a track on the name Kahale Warring. TE out of San Diego
Fuckin' A!
Lol was just going to say that he was summoning you with that post.
Sign me up for this
Shit, you just knocked it out the park there
8: Kahale Warring – San Diego State – 6’5/251
Grade: 74
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one.
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Sign me up for this
+1
You just mentioned 2 of my favorite players in this draft ... I may get flamed for this, but I wouldn’t mind them selecting both.
You need talent, and depth, along the DL to keep everyone fresh and operating at peak performance. Both could be seen as “luxury” picks, but I’m all about BPA and they could both qualify at those spots.
Hill, Tomlinson, Wilkins, Lawrence ... yes please.
If I had to choose 1, Wilkins. His athleticism and pass rush ability and versatility make him an excellent choice. Lawrence is in my top 10, but he’s more of a run stuffer - which you can get later in drafts
Yes, I would take both if they were available (unless D.Bush was there).
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
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keep a track on the name Kahale Warring. TE out of San Diego
Fuckin' A!
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Lol was just going to say that he was summoning you with that post.
It's like the Bat Signal.
8: Kahale Warring – San Diego State – 6’5/251
Grade: 74
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0
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...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
Yes as a collective there would and should be concern, but look what they did without Lawrence..did not slow them one bit.
Sometimes you just need football players and to me, Wilkins is a football player.
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...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
Dexter Lawrence was suspended for the Alabama game and Wilkins shined.
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8: Kahale Warring – San Diego State – 6’5/251
Grade: 74
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0
Could use a power forward type receiver for Eli, something basketball on grass Reese never bothered with ironically. Receiving is very similar to rebounding.
- Lance Zierlein, NFL.com.
The other 3 Clemson d lineman should be kissing his ass for the pay day they are about to get
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From Sy’s positional breakdown:
8: Kahale Warring – San Diego State – 6’5/251
Grade: 74
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0
Could use a power forward type receiver for Eli, something basketball on grass Reese never bothered with ironically. Receiving is very similar to rebounding.
Thankfully this draft class is loaded with big targets, some nice values come into play @ 37. Offensive talent available + “needs” aligns pretty nice at 37 (Risner, Hakeem Butler, etc.)
The other 3 Clemson d lineman should be kissing his ass for the pay day they are about to get
I want Lawrence, badly. You’re selling Wilkins a little short, he’s a force himself and may be a better fit in this scheme.
I would be thrilled with Lawrence at 6, I think he instantly steps in and could transform a team’s run defense. Wilkins you can do a little bit more with schematically, so I could see his versatility appealing to Bettcher
Sign me up for both (6, 17) should the draft fall that way. They are both in my top 10
Happens every draft. But, he stood out to me in the playoffs. In a sea of talent, Wilkins was one that I recognized as talented.
Locker room leader with character that is off the charts
Face of the franchise personality
Experience as base end and defensive tackle
Instant snap reaction with fast hands into contact
Highly efficient in his movement
Stays under opponent's pads throughout the rep
Lateral quickness to disrupt in gaps
Can contort and slither around blocker's pads
Rare flexibility creates functional balance at awkward angles
Short area agility of a linebacker
Active to improve rush positioning
Shifts hips for optimal cornering inside the pocket
Can drop into space on zone-blitz calls
Batted down 15 passes during career
Weaknesses:
Initial quickness gives way to fatigue as rep continues
Overall play strength can improve
Not enough extension/separation after initial punch
Thick lower half missing quality anchor
Struggles with contact balance on down blocks
Lacks length and power to excel in two-gap scheme
Folded and collapsed when facing powerful double teams
Can do a better job of defeating reach blocks against him
Offensive linemen with length can bother him
Lacks length to pry off blocks
Average strength in playing through redirect blocks in pass rush
Scheme dependent
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Hope so...
The Giants pick 17th...
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
I’m beating a dead horse, but if we don’t get better at QB, we won’t get better either. This front office may think Eli is the answer until he’s 45, but he’s not.
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Hope so...
The Giants pick 17th...
Thanks wise ass. I thought it was clear in my post that I was assuming we would trade up a spot... ;)
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got to get better on defense or this team won't get better.
I’m beating a dead horse, but if we don’t get better at QB, we won’t get better either. This front office may think Eli is the answer until he’s 45, but he’s not.
and yet they managed to lead the division in scoring and could’ve had a winning record if his defense didn’t give away half of their games.
* I want a new QB. I do not want a reach just to take 1. Build the defense, with the strength of this draft, and make life easier for whoever the QB is.
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Hope so...
The Giants pick 17th...
Thanks wise ass. I thought it was clear in my post that I was assuming we would trade up a spot... ;)
Trade up a spot? Why would you trade from 17 to 16 for Jones?
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Hope so...
The Giants pick 17th...
Thanks wise ass. I thought it was clear in my post that I was assuming we would trade up a spot... ;)
Trade up a spot? Why would you trade from 17 to 16 for Jones?
I'm kidding.
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.
This pleases me. Wilkins & Lawrence would be amazing ... and would go along way towards beating Dallas. No more gaping holes for Zeke, Dak’s gonna actually have to play QB.
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.
Not to be a curmudgeon, but if your guy is telling you this, how many other people are learning of this info? Gotta love the Giants, if they are allowing this information to leak out.
This is why the Raiders don’t trust anyone, by the way. So when people make fun of the Raiders for doing what they did, maybe people should look at the Giants when we get leapfrogged for players we like.
In any event, I’m going to continue to Hope For Haskins. I acknowledge that the sheer number of people reporting no on him make it unlikely. But no one can take my hope away.
If the Jets trade out and a quarterback is taken at 3 and Tampa takes Wilkins, it appears a guy like Allen will be available. That would be an ideal situation.
Doesn’t change the analysis? He was a big reason why Clemson won both playoff games — games where Lawrence was suspended.
Wilkins was the star of the defense.
We should be able to pick one of Allen, QWill, and Wilkins.
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If the Jets trade out and a quarterback is taken at 3 and Tampa takes Wilkins, it appears a guy like Allen will be available. That would be an ideal situation.
I think Q is the best player in the draft, but Allen may actually be the best fit ... I love the idea of Carter/Allen at OLB in this scheme
Allen and Dexter Lawrence ... I’d stop caring about the draft if those 2 fell into our laps (I’d definitely still care, that would just be a dream start)
Wilkins is not a premier run stuffer, and will not be able to handle double teams in the NFL. But he is certainly strong enough to hold at the point of attack, especially as a 5T. He is also incredibly light on his feet, nimble, agile, quick, has excellent balance, and can drop into coverage on zone blitzes. He can play all over the line. He is extremely disruptive. His character is unquestioned.
It’s almost inevitable that they trade up from 95 with all those extra 4/5th rounders available.
I wouldn’t mind Warring at 37, I think the offensive talent at 37 fits nicely with our needs (Risner, WR, TE).
Kiper said either yesterday or this morning that he's rising up boards.
Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.
But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.
No offense, but most mock drafts are bupkis, even mine.
And haven't we seen every year that some team is going to take a player much earlier than all of the "experts" predicted and vice versa?
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Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.
But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.
The problem is you can want to trade down, but if there’s no player another team sees worthy of trading up for, it’s irrelevant. I’d love to “trade down” a few spots and land a Wilkins, Lawrence, Bush, Burns with some extra picks - but it also takes another team willing to sacrifice picks to move up.
I love the D talent in this draft, and yes you’ll get a similar graded player at 6 and 10 in this draft ... but that team at 10 may also feel the same way and not offer anything worth trading down for.
Ed Oliver may still be on the board. A lot of team will pay a premium to grab him. We need to maximize our draft capital. Just saying.....
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Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.
But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.
The problem is you can want to trade down, but if there’s no player another team sees worthy of trading up for, it’s irrelevant. I’d love to “trade down” a few spots and land a Wilkins, Lawrence, Bush, Burns with some extra picks - but it also takes another team willing to sacrifice picks to move up.
I love the D talent in this draft, and yes you’ll get a similar graded player at 6 and 10 in this draft ... but that team at 10 may also feel the same way and not offer anything worth trading down for.
Agreed. You need a partner. My hope is that someone would trade up for a QB. But I don't think the Giants will trade down, and am fine if they don't. I typically don't favor trading down out of the top 10 unless someone makes an incredible offer.
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Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.
But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.
After Gettleman’s press conference I’m expecting them to trade up into round 3 or 4 at least once to get someone they like.
I'd rather go with Oliver if we go with an inside dlineman.
I never have the greatest confidence in their next level play. They seem to peak at Death Valley.
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I don't like him at #6, but know they really like him.
I'd rather go with Oliver if we go with an inside dlineman.
I never have the greatest confidence in their next level play. They seem to peak at Death Valley.
Clemson DLs that is...
Atlanta is rumoured to want Ed Oliver badly. They have the 14th pick, though.
I expect a whole lot of Haskins smoke this week ... force the Bengals hand in a trade up (Jets).
Miami is apparently trying to move up with the Jets with a blockbuster package as well ... despite the Tank for Tua mantra often associated with them
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Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Kiper said either yesterday or this morning that he's rising up boards.
I’m not buying that he’s moving up boards. I think he was high up on the real boards from the start and the draft community is just now catching on.
With that said Id do all I could to trade up for Q.
But Wilkins is still pretty good.
Obviously Sy likes him , he was effective his freshamn uear (always a good sign) . Had one of Boyleharts highest grades this year:
STRENGTHS
Christian is a uniquely, talented and athletic football player. He can play multiple positions in multiple fronts on your defensive line and impact at all of them. He shows excellent leadership skills and is a coach on the field. He is smart and uses excellent techniques when defending against the run or when he is used to rush the passer. Christian has the athletic talent and the quick explosion off the line of scrimmage that makes it hard for offensive lineman to get set before he engages with them. He gains leverage because of his pad level and natural strength at just about any position you play him at on the defensive line or against any one of the offensive linemen immediately off the snap of the ball. On passing downs, when put over the center, he requires a double team or he will beat that center off the line and disrupt or sack the quarterback almost every time. Christian has the potential to be as good a football player as former Eagles and Packers Hall of Fame defensive lineman Reggie White. For you young Draftniks think of Christian as a bigger version of the Rams Aaron Darnold.
TALENT BOARD ROUND 1.32
Christian has made impacting plays on defense, on offense and on special teams. He can play defensive line at any position or become a dominating complete blocking and catching the ball Tight End on offense or…he can be and outstanding Christian Okoye style running back (look him up, I can’t do everything for you), if that is how you want to use him. That’s how his college team used him so why not? What is the most outstanding attribute that Christian will bring to the team that selects him, his character and that alone is worth the signing money this kid should receive. He is a leader who understands that the team concept is more important than just one person doing their job. His college team will struggle to replace this kid’s impact on and off the field for this program. So, if you need to add a multi-talented, athletic big man who can play multiple position for you on defense or offense and will be a coach on the field and a leader in the locker room and… has the character to make the community and team he plays for proud, then it would be smart to select Christian. I know I would if I’m in the top ten trying to build a team… for sure. I call him Christian (The Answer) Wilkins because he is the type of player who will be the answer to a team’s prayers.
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I’m still laughing.
But so is Q. Williams. Can ALSO be the lead dog , stellar character. Man make the trade up!!!
I’m still laughing.
WHO said that?
But so is Q. Williams. Can ALSO be the lead dog , stellar character. Man make the trade up!!!
Trading up with Jets to secure Williams or Allen makes so much sense for both teams. Jets drop 3 spots, get some extra picks, and land Oliver/Burns.
Lol Boylehart gets carried away with hyperbole. Q has the chance to be a generational guy, Wilkins is not quite at the skill level.
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Lol Boylehart gets carried away with hyperbole. Q has the chance to be a generational guy, Wilkins is not quite at the skill level.
Honestly I don’t see a ton of difference between Williams and all of the other Bama DL that have come out before him. High floor low ceiling.
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that would be the idea trade partner
I expect a whole lot of Haskins smoke this week ... force the Bengals hand in a trade up (Jets).
Miami is apparently trying to move up with the Jets with a blockbuster package as well ... despite the Tank for Tua mantra often associated with them
Dolphins want one of the pass rushers, either Bosa or Allen.
People need to check themselves if they think teams are going to give away a draft haul for mediocre QB prospects.
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On the Dline and he is certainly a character guy that Getts would love.
But so is Q. Williams. Can ALSO be the lead dog , stellar character. Man make the trade up!!!
Trading up with Jets to secure Williams or Allen makes so much sense for both teams. Jets drop 3 spots, get some extra picks, and land Oliver/Burns.
Not at all. I’m not trading our 2 and a bevy of other picks likely including a 2 or 3 next year to move up a few spots. This team needs multiple quality players.
Fletcher Cox
6'4 310
Christian Wilkins
6'3 315
Gary is the only guy who's a throw the remote pick for me - just seems like he has bust potential.
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On the Dline and he is certainly a character guy that Getts would love.
But so is Q. Williams. Can ALSO be the lead dog , stellar character. Man make the trade up!!!
Trading up with Jets to secure Williams or Allen makes so much sense for both teams. Jets drop 3 spots, get some extra picks, and land Oliver/Burns.
Not at all. I’m not trading our 2 and a bevy of other picks likely including a 2 or 3 next year to move up a few spots. This team needs multiple quality players.
I agree. I wouldn't trade any of our top 3 picks unless it's for a QB.
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Doesn’t have the size of a Fletcher Cox.
Fletcher Cox
6'4 310
Christian Wilkins
6'3 315
Cox looks or plays a lot taller than one inch. Don’t get me wrong, I like Wilkins. But I don’t think he has the ceiling of a Cox.
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Its also possible that Ferrell is overrated because Wilkins is so good
Wilkins is legit, Lawrence is 1 of my favorite players in this draft, and Farrell is the 1 I’m skeptical of
I have no concerns with Wilkins - he’s great
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Any word on Remmers deal?
after draft.
I hate hearing this. Don't want to rely on a big guy with a bad back.
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Any word on Remmers deal?
after draft.
I hate hearing this. Don't want to rely on a big guy with a bad back.
Remmers + a guy like Risner/Little/Howard/Scharping makes sense to me
If so, there is little need for Remmers. I don't want them to rely on Remmers only to punt on picking a capable RT. Putting any eggs in Remmers basket is a losing strategy.
Draft a starter early and late rounder for depth. I don't want Remmers at all. I've been clear in the past. The OL needs to be fixed. Drafting Jonah fixes RT in the short term and pushes Nate off the roster in 2 years the latest. We still need to draft some depth across the line to develop, but we shouldn't expect to fix it with late rounders.
Speaking of Jonah, here is a recent story on his prep. Joe Thomas approves.
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they will mst likely be drafting a right tackle, possibly in 1st 3 rounds, possibly as early as 17
If so, there is little need for Remmers. I don't want them to rely on Remmers only to punt on picking a capable RT. Putting any eggs in Remmers basket is a losing strategy.
Signing Remmers doesn’t mean no rookie RT
It means Wheeler is likely cut. Remmers is a no brainer signing at the right price - he’s a decent vet RT to plug in while a young guy develops
Sign me up for this
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Any word on Remmers deal?
after draft.
Thanks.
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