Christian Wilkins is getting high consideration at 6. Like his leadership, personality, and play. getting comparisons to Eagles Fletcher Cox. Passing Gary and Sweat.
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
Or D lawrence at 17. Which is the better value here?
You just mentioned 2 of my favorite players in this draft ... I may get flamed for this, but I wouldn’t mind them selecting both.
You need talent, and depth, along the DL to keep everyone fresh and operating at peak performance. Both could be seen as “luxury” picks, but I’m all about BPA and they could both qualify at those spots.
Hill, Tomlinson, Wilkins, Lawrence ... yes please.
If I had to choose 1, Wilkins. His athleticism and pass rush ability and versatility make him an excellent choice. Lawrence is in my top 10, but he’s more of a run stuffer - which you can get later in drafts
Yes, I would take both if they were available (unless D.Bush was there).
...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
Yes as a collective there would and should be concern, but look what they did without Lawrence..did not slow them one bit.
Sometimes you just need football players and to me, Wilkins is a football player.
...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
Dexter Lawrence was suspended for the Alabama game and Wilkins shined.
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0
Could use a power forward type receiver for Eli, something basketball on grass Reese never bothered with ironically. Receiving is very similar to rebounding.
Exciting and ascending, Warring is still a relative newcomer to the game, but he has the size, speed and athleticism to become a versatile, high-impact player on the pro level. He has the competitiveness to handle run-blocking duties and the talent to line up in the slot. While his production won't catch your eye, his tape does with quickness and ball skills that should make him a more productive target in the NFL than he was in college.
- Lance Zierlein, NFL.com.
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"He's exciting to project because he hasn't played that much football and he still has big-time flashes. He's one of those guys who was good at everything in high school athletics, and that usually translates out on the field." -- West Coast scout for NFC team
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0
Could use a power forward type receiver for Eli, something basketball on grass Reese never bothered with ironically. Receiving is very similar to rebounding.
Thankfully this draft class is loaded with big targets, some nice values come into play @ 37. Offensive talent available + “needs” aligns pretty nice at 37 (Risner, Hakeem Butler, etc.)
I'm happy for him, but it doesn't change the analysis. He also had weeks to rest between games so if his motor wasn't ramped up and ready to go for that one...
No doubt about it
The other 3 Clemson d lineman should be kissing his ass for the pay day they are about to get
I want Lawrence, badly. You’re selling Wilkins a little short, he’s a force himself and may be a better fit in this scheme.
I would be thrilled with Lawrence at 6, I think he instantly steps in and could transform a team’s run defense. Wilkins you can do a little bit more with schematically, so I could see his versatility appealing to Bettcher
Sign me up for both (6, 17) should the draft fall that way. They are both in my top 10
I'm liking this pick. He's actually a great scheme fit and his character and natural talent make it hard to think he will bust. Someone posted the historical picks at 6 and it is very far from a sure thing you'll get a ten year pro. Wilkins seems to be a guy that will have a long productive career.
Locker room leader with character that is off the charts
Face of the franchise personality
Experience as base end and defensive tackle
Instant snap reaction with fast hands into contact
Highly efficient in his movement
Stays under opponent's pads throughout the rep
Lateral quickness to disrupt in gaps
Can contort and slither around blocker's pads
Rare flexibility creates functional balance at awkward angles
Short area agility of a linebacker
Active to improve rush positioning
Shifts hips for optimal cornering inside the pocket
Can drop into space on zone-blitz calls
Batted down 15 passes during career
Weaknesses:
Initial quickness gives way to fatigue as rep continues
Overall play strength can improve
Not enough extension/separation after initial punch
Thick lower half missing quality anchor
Struggles with contact balance on down blocks
Lacks length and power to excel in two-gap scheme
Folded and collapsed when facing powerful double teams
Can do a better job of defeating reach blocks against him
Offensive linemen with length can bother him
Lacks length to pry off blocks
Average strength in playing through redirect blocks in pass rush
Scheme dependent
got to get better on defense or this team won't get better.
I’m beating a dead horse, but if we don’t get better at QB, we won’t get better either. This front office may think Eli is the answer until he’s 45, but he’s not.
It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.
got to get better on defense or this team won't get better.
I’m beating a dead horse, but if we don’t get better at QB, we won’t get better either. This front office may think Eli is the answer until he’s 45, but he’s not.
and yet they managed to lead the division in scoring and could’ve had a winning record if his defense didn’t give away half of their games.
* I want a new QB. I do not want a reach just to take 1. Build the defense, with the strength of this draft, and make life easier for whoever the QB is.
It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.
This pleases me. Wilkins & Lawrence would be amazing ... and would go along way towards beating Dallas. No more gaping holes for Zeke, Dak’s gonna actually have to play QB.
It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.
Not to be a curmudgeon, but if your guy is telling you this, how many other people are learning of this info? Gotta love the Giants, if they are allowing this information to leak out.
This is why the Raiders don’t trust anyone, by the way. So when people make fun of the Raiders for doing what they did, maybe people should look at the Giants when we get leapfrogged for players we like.
In any event, I’m going to continue to Hope For Haskins. I acknowledge that the sheer number of people reporting no on him make it unlikely. But no one can take my hope away.
Tampa is looking for a DT & drafts 5th,could be a problem.....
If the Jets trade out and a quarterback is taken at 3 and Tampa takes Wilkins, it appears a guy like Allen will be available. That would be an ideal situation.
RE: Dexter Lawrence was suspended for the Alabama game and Wilkins shined. Â
I'm happy for him, but it doesn't change the analysis. He also had weeks to rest between games so if his motor wasn't ramped up and ready to go for that one...
Doesn’t change the analysis? He was a big reason why Clemson won both playoff games — games where Lawrence was suspended.
Tampa is looking for a DT & drafts 5th,could be a problem.....
If the Jets trade out and a quarterback is taken at 3 and Tampa takes Wilkins, it appears a guy like Allen will be available. That would be an ideal situation.
I think Q is the best player in the draft, but Allen may actually be the best fit ... I love the idea of Carter/Allen at OLB in this scheme
Allen and Dexter Lawrence ... I’d stop caring about the draft if those 2 fell into our laps (I’d definitely still care, that would just be a dream start)
would be a fine pick at #6. White, Oliver, Sweat, and Gary all have one or more problems with health, fit, scheme, or character.
Wilkins is not a premier run stuffer, and will not be able to handle double teams in the NFL. But he is certainly strong enough to hold at the point of attack, especially as a 5T. He is also incredibly light on his feet, nimble, agile, quick, has excellent balance, and can drop into coverage on zone blitzes. He can play all over the line. He is extremely disruptive. His character is unquestioned.
the Giants want Waring, they will have to take him at #37. If they do, then I assume it's because they have acquired another second or third round pick, possibly by trading Engram.
the Giants want Waring, they will have to take him at #37. If they do, then I assume it's because they have acquired another second or third round pick, possibly by trading Engram.
It’s almost inevitable that they trade up from 95 with all those extra 4/5th rounders available.
I wouldn’t mind Warring at 37, I think the offensive talent at 37 fits nicely with our needs (Risner, WR, TE).
is extremely versatile, which is extremely valuable. But does that make him a classic "jack of all trades, master of none." I don't think so, because he's not only versatile, he's extremely good at many of those "trades." But I understand the criticism that he's not truly outstanding at anything.
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Kiper said either yesterday or this morning that he's rising up boards.
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.
But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.
Isn't it better value to trade back a few spots; (acquire a second or a third) and draft him. The additional pick can net us a high-end WR/OT/Edge/CB/S?
No offense, but most mock drafts are bupkis, even mine.
And haven't we seen every year that some team is going to take a player much earlier than all of the "experts" predicted and vice versa?
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keep a track on the name Kahale Warring. TE out of San Diego
Fuckin' A!
Lol was just going to say that he was summoning you with that post.
Sign me up for this
Shit, you just knocked it out the park there
8: Kahale Warring – San Diego State – 6’5/251
Grade: 74
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one.
Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
Sign me up for this
+1
You just mentioned 2 of my favorite players in this draft ... I may get flamed for this, but I wouldn’t mind them selecting both.
You need talent, and depth, along the DL to keep everyone fresh and operating at peak performance. Both could be seen as “luxury” picks, but I’m all about BPA and they could both qualify at those spots.
Hill, Tomlinson, Wilkins, Lawrence ... yes please.
If I had to choose 1, Wilkins. His athleticism and pass rush ability and versatility make him an excellent choice. Lawrence is in my top 10, but he’s more of a run stuffer - which you can get later in drafts
Yes, I would take both if they were available (unless D.Bush was there).
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
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keep a track on the name Kahale Warring. TE out of San Diego
Fuckin' A!
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Lol was just going to say that he was summoning you with that post.
It's like the Bat Signal.
8: Kahale Warring – San Diego State – 6’5/251
Grade: 74
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0
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...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
Yes as a collective there would and should be concern, but look what they did without Lawrence..did not slow them one bit.
Sometimes you just need football players and to me, Wilkins is a football player.
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...power isn't his forte. His overall athletic profile is solid but not elite. He thrived surrounded by incredible talent and imo benefitted greatly from it because when he saw doubles, etc it stifled him. Those are my concerns. I like Wilkins but I don't have him in the Top 10. There's so much depth with this group of DL that some very good prospects are outside the Top 10 looking in. That said the Giants will love his combination of disruptive traits, intelligence, character and production.
I linked a profile for him from NFL.com. I don't always agree with scouting snippets on players but I think Zierlein nailed this one. Wilkins profile - ( New Window )
That's my only concern with the Clemson guys... they were loaded so it's sometimes tough to tell.
Dexter Lawrence was suspended for the Alabama game and Wilkins shined.
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8: Kahale Warring – San Diego State – 6’5/251
Grade: 74
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0
Could use a power forward type receiver for Eli, something basketball on grass Reese never bothered with ironically. Receiving is very similar to rebounding.
- Lance Zierlein, NFL.com.
The other 3 Clemson d lineman should be kissing his ass for the pay day they are about to get
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From Sy’s positional breakdown:
8: Kahale Warring – San Diego State – 6’5/251
Grade: 74
Summary: Fourth year junior entry. Late comer to the game, as he played football for just one year in high school. A preferred walk on, Warring developed nicely in his time at San Diego State and ended up Honorable Mention All Mountain West in 2018. He is very much a projection-type prospect but there is so much natural talent oozing out of his nicely developed frame that he could end up going a lot higher than people think. Warring has size, speed, ball skills, and a really hungry approach as a blocker. There is still a little ways to go when it comes to skill set, but he can be a starter within 2-3 years.
*A surprise declaration turned into a prospect who has the high ceiling label with a higher-than-initially-perceived floor. This kid is so raw and new to the game but there are traits here that raise eyebrows. I bet if Warring went back to school in 2019, he would be in the top 60 overall discussion next draft. Like Oliver, a guy who I could see going much higher than this.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Griffin / HOU
If it all comes together, Kelce 2.0
Could use a power forward type receiver for Eli, something basketball on grass Reese never bothered with ironically. Receiving is very similar to rebounding.
Thankfully this draft class is loaded with big targets, some nice values come into play @ 37. Offensive talent available + “needs” aligns pretty nice at 37 (Risner, Hakeem Butler, etc.)
The other 3 Clemson d lineman should be kissing his ass for the pay day they are about to get
I want Lawrence, badly. You’re selling Wilkins a little short, he’s a force himself and may be a better fit in this scheme.
I would be thrilled with Lawrence at 6, I think he instantly steps in and could transform a team’s run defense. Wilkins you can do a little bit more with schematically, so I could see his versatility appealing to Bettcher
Sign me up for both (6, 17) should the draft fall that way. They are both in my top 10
Happens every draft. But, he stood out to me in the playoffs. In a sea of talent, Wilkins was one that I recognized as talented.
Locker room leader with character that is off the charts
Face of the franchise personality
Experience as base end and defensive tackle
Instant snap reaction with fast hands into contact
Highly efficient in his movement
Stays under opponent's pads throughout the rep
Lateral quickness to disrupt in gaps
Can contort and slither around blocker's pads
Rare flexibility creates functional balance at awkward angles
Short area agility of a linebacker
Active to improve rush positioning
Shifts hips for optimal cornering inside the pocket
Can drop into space on zone-blitz calls
Batted down 15 passes during career
Weaknesses:
Initial quickness gives way to fatigue as rep continues
Overall play strength can improve
Not enough extension/separation after initial punch
Thick lower half missing quality anchor
Struggles with contact balance on down blocks
Lacks length and power to excel in two-gap scheme
Folded and collapsed when facing powerful double teams
Can do a better job of defeating reach blocks against him
Offensive linemen with length can bother him
Lacks length to pry off blocks
Average strength in playing through redirect blocks in pass rush
Scheme dependent
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Hope so...
The Giants pick 17th...
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
I’m beating a dead horse, but if we don’t get better at QB, we won’t get better either. This front office may think Eli is the answer until he’s 45, but he’s not.
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Hope so...
The Giants pick 17th...
Thanks wise ass. I thought it was clear in my post that I was assuming we would trade up a spot... ;)
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got to get better on defense or this team won't get better.
I’m beating a dead horse, but if we don’t get better at QB, we won’t get better either. This front office may think Eli is the answer until he’s 45, but he’s not.
and yet they managed to lead the division in scoring and could’ve had a winning record if his defense didn’t give away half of their games.
* I want a new QB. I do not want a reach just to take 1. Build the defense, with the strength of this draft, and make life easier for whoever the QB is.
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Hope so...
The Giants pick 17th...
Thanks wise ass. I thought it was clear in my post that I was assuming we would trade up a spot... ;)
Trade up a spot? Why would you trade from 17 to 16 for Jones?
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Hope so...
The Giants pick 17th...
Thanks wise ass. I thought it was clear in my post that I was assuming we would trade up a spot... ;)
Trade up a spot? Why would you trade from 17 to 16 for Jones?
I'm kidding.
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.
This pleases me. Wilkins & Lawrence would be amazing ... and would go along way towards beating Dallas. No more gaping holes for Zeke, Dak’s gonna actually have to play QB.
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It seems that you have laid low since your last post. Is Haskins still off the board?
Yes Haskins is off.
Jones definitely in play at 16...?
Ideally. Giants don't want to trade up in the first though. Third round is the trade up round because the 5th round picks carry more value then.
Also. If Jones does go before 17 the Giants aren't against double dipping into the Clemson pool. Giants have a number of Clemson guys rated highly. Mullen and Hyatt are others.
Not to be a curmudgeon, but if your guy is telling you this, how many other people are learning of this info? Gotta love the Giants, if they are allowing this information to leak out.
This is why the Raiders don’t trust anyone, by the way. So when people make fun of the Raiders for doing what they did, maybe people should look at the Giants when we get leapfrogged for players we like.
In any event, I’m going to continue to Hope For Haskins. I acknowledge that the sheer number of people reporting no on him make it unlikely. But no one can take my hope away.
If the Jets trade out and a quarterback is taken at 3 and Tampa takes Wilkins, it appears a guy like Allen will be available. That would be an ideal situation.
Doesn’t change the analysis? He was a big reason why Clemson won both playoff games — games where Lawrence was suspended.
Wilkins was the star of the defense.
We should be able to pick one of Allen, QWill, and Wilkins.
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Tampa is looking for a DT & drafts 5th,could be a problem.....
If the Jets trade out and a quarterback is taken at 3 and Tampa takes Wilkins, it appears a guy like Allen will be available. That would be an ideal situation.
I think Q is the best player in the draft, but Allen may actually be the best fit ... I love the idea of Carter/Allen at OLB in this scheme
Allen and Dexter Lawrence ... I’d stop caring about the draft if those 2 fell into our laps (I’d definitely still care, that would just be a dream start)
Wilkins is not a premier run stuffer, and will not be able to handle double teams in the NFL. But he is certainly strong enough to hold at the point of attack, especially as a 5T. He is also incredibly light on his feet, nimble, agile, quick, has excellent balance, and can drop into coverage on zone blitzes. He can play all over the line. He is extremely disruptive. His character is unquestioned.
It’s almost inevitable that they trade up from 95 with all those extra 4/5th rounders available.
I wouldn’t mind Warring at 37, I think the offensive talent at 37 fits nicely with our needs (Risner, WR, TE).
Kiper said either yesterday or this morning that he's rising up boards.
Aside from Allen and Q. Williams, I am not sure there is any player at #6 I would take rather than trading down to #10 or #11 for an extra second round pick.
But theI Giants won't risk losing a player they really want just to get an extra pick, which is certainly defensible. 'Don't get cute." There are also other ways to get an extra day two pick, namely by trading down from #17, or using day three picks to trade up back into the third round.
No offense, but most mock drafts are bupkis, even mine.
And haven't we seen every year that some team is going to take a player much earlier than all of the "experts" predicted and vice versa?