Say that the interest in Christian Wilkins is very much true and they take him at #6. Between their two first round picks, all the top 4 quarterbacks are gone and you have on the board for #17, Andre Dillard, Dexter Lawrence, Devin Bush, and Montez Sweat who could drop due to concerns of his health. Who do you select?
I’d rather have Risner @ 37 than Dillard @ 17.
2-- Make Barkley better.
3-- Make ELi better
4-- Make the new Qb better.
2-- Make Barkley better.
3-- Make ELi better
4-- Make the new Qb better.
This is misguided anger towards the former GM.
Since taking over, Gettleman has stabilized LT - drafted a roadgrading LG and just traded for 1 of the best guards in the league.
I would love Risner at 37, not saying this line is perfect but it has not been ignored or “put off” by those in charge now. Gettleman has done an excellent job towards rebuilding that disgrace of an OL.
Bush, Dexter Lawrence, trade down for some 2020 draft capital are my ideal scenarios
Plus you can easily move Dillard to LT when Solder stops playing in a couple of years. Focus on ER at number 37 or WR.
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1-- How long have we been putting off the OL?
2-- Make Barkley better.
3-- Make ELi better
4-- Make the new Qb better.
This is misguided anger towards the former GM.
Since taking over, Gettleman has stabilized LT - drafted a roadgrading LG and just traded for 1 of the best guards in the league.
I would love Risner at 37, not saying this line is perfect but it has not been ignored or “put off” by those in charge now. Gettleman has done an excellent job towards rebuilding that disgrace of an OL.
We have various-sized tomato cans at Center, and a turnstile at Right Tackle (not to mention no quality depth). The job of fixing the O-Line is incomplete, at best.
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In comment 14396296 giantstock said:
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1-- How long have we been putting off the OL?
2-- Make Barkley better.
3-- Make ELi better
4-- Make the new Qb better.
This is misguided anger towards the former GM.
Since taking over, Gettleman has stabilized LT - drafted a roadgrading LG and just traded for 1 of the best guards in the league.
I would love Risner at 37, not saying this line is perfect but it has not been ignored or “put off” by those in charge now. Gettleman has done an excellent job towards rebuilding that disgrace of an OL.
We have various-sized tomato cans at Center, and a turnstile at Right Tackle (not to mention no quality depth). The job of fixing the O-Line is incomplete, at best.
And this is Gettleman’s fault? Because its realistic to expect a complete overhaul of an offensive line in 1 offseason? All he’s done so far is turn 60% of the OL into quality and/or pro-bowl caliber players ... I also just suggested Risner as an ideal round 2 target, because I’m well aware it’s not complete.
Can’t fix Reese’s shitshow of an OL in 1 year ... but he sure has done a great job up to this point.
DG will not mess up picks 6+17+37
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In comment 14396296 giantstock said:
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1-- How long have we been putting off the OL?
2-- Make Barkley better.
3-- Make ELi better
4-- Make the new Qb better.
This is misguided anger towards the former GM.
Since taking over, Gettleman has stabilized LT - drafted a roadgrading LG and just traded for 1 of the best guards in the league.
I would love Risner at 37, not saying this line is perfect but it has not been ignored or “put off” by those in charge now. Gettleman has done an excellent job towards rebuilding that disgrace of an OL.
We have various-sized tomato cans at Center, and a turnstile at Right Tackle (not to mention no quality depth). The job of fixing the O-Line is incomplete, at best.
And this is Gettleman’s fault? Because its realistic to expect a complete overhaul of an offensive line in 1 offseason? All he’s done so far is turn 60% of the OL into quality and/or pro-bowl caliber players ... I also just suggested Risner as an ideal round 2 target, because I’m well aware it’s not complete.
Can’t fix Reese’s shitshow of an OL in 1 year ... but he sure has done a great job up to this point.
Where did I say it was Gettleman's fault?
The question was...out of the four players listed, which one would you take at #17 if you'd already taken Wilkins at #6? I chose Dillard for the reason I stated. There was no follow-up question about Round 2.
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In comment 14396296 giantstock said:
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1-- How long have we been putting off the OL?
2-- Make Barkley better.
3-- Make ELi better
4-- Make the new Qb better.
This is misguided anger towards the former GM.
Since taking over, Gettleman has stabilized LT - drafted a roadgrading LG and just traded for 1 of the best guards in the league.
I would love Risner at 37, not saying this line is perfect but it has not been ignored or “put off” by those in charge now. Gettleman has done an excellent job towards rebuilding that disgrace of an OL.
We have various-sized tomato cans at Center, and a turnstile at Right Tackle (not to mention no quality depth). The job of fixing the O-Line is incomplete, at best.
And this is Gettleman’s fault? Because its realistic to expect a complete overhaul of an offensive line in 1 offseason? All he’s done so far is turn 60% of the OL into quality and/or pro-bowl caliber players ... I also just suggested Risner as an ideal round 2 target, because I’m well aware it’s not complete.
Can’t fix Reese’s shitshow of an OL in 1 year ... but he sure has done a great job up to this point.
Where did I say it was Gettleman's fault?
The question was...out of the four players listed, which one would you take at #17 if you'd already taken Wilkins at #6? I chose Dillard for the reason I stated. There was no follow-up question about Round 2.
My response was towards the notion of “putting off” the OL - which is the exact opposite of what Gettleman has done since he took over, and he’s done a great job in my opinion with Solder, Hernandez, and Zeitler. More work to be done ... sorry for the miscommunication, I think we’re actually in agreement [I would prefer a later pick on Risner vs using the top 20 pick on Dillard as Risner plugs in either hole you just mentioned day 1]
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1-- How long have we been putting off the OL?
2-- Make Barkley better.
3-- Make ELi better
4-- Make the new Qb better.
This is misguided anger towards the former GM.
Since taking over, Gettleman has stabilized LT - drafted a roadgrading LG and just traded for 1 of the best guards in the league.
I would love Risner at 37, not saying this line is perfect but it has not been ignored or “put off” by those in charge now. Gettleman has done an excellent job towards rebuilding that disgrace of an OL.
No it's not misguided anger. You took my 1st point and just threw out the rest.
Barkley is an unusual talent unlike anything we have ever seen in a LONG TIME. I don;t want him to be stuck in mediocrity o an OLINE. What people naturally assume is that if your defense is bad it means you will always lose 35-34.
I understand your point about Risner and i like him too but there ARE questions if he can be a RT. Frankly I have Risner in rd 2 too. ANd I dont think Dilard will be available so at 17 I consider him an awesome pickup.
I posted 4 reasons because the COMBINed SUM of all 4 make it imo sense to go after Dillard at 17 vs the options.
I hear stuff about "Qb whisperers" and DG's draft last year. But the "whisperer stuff is horseshit" and so is the assumption that just because DG likes hog mollies and had a successful draft last year there is an assumption he'll find terrific players in later rounds. That's a myht otherwise he;d still be a GM in Carolina.
***The Giants potentially have a limited window with Barkley. You don;t put off helping a potential all-time great by seeking "value" in later rounds if you can get it early with similar ratings on a posiiton of need.
******And where did I blast DG on this? Please tell me? Isaid we put it off for years. Yes DG has built it up (TO A CEWRTAIN POINT BUT THE JOB TO BUILDTHE OL IS NOT DONE< IS IT?) and I want him to contine. You would love Risner but the way SY and David Te spoke of Dillard I love Dillard a ton. If SY is right (and I think David Te is questioning him being a RT) and we go with your view of Risner (For the record I like Risner at RT too) and he is more of a guard --- then isn't that yet again putting off the OL when you could have had Dillard?
Look at SY's rankings on Dillard. See what David Te had to say about him. I was not blasting DG on this thread. DOn't know why you felt that way. You don't think the other three reasons I gave were good to support getting a RT?????????????? ANd Sy and David Te are telling us he's a stud yet your blasting my combined reasons all because you didn;t like point number 1?
I don't feel we should put it off as we did in 2016-2017.
I want the best for Barkley, ELi and the new QB.
I was not blasting DG on this thread just making a point which I think we all agree we need at least one more OLineman and frankly I think two.
Bypassing Dillard at 17 is in a way "putting off he;ping the OL" because he is such a damned good talent. Hey-- look at what SY and David Te said about Dillard. You can;t argue that he has really good value at 17 can you?
And what if you think SY and David Te are right about Dillard?
I don't feel we should put it off as we did in 2016-2017.
I want the best for Barkley, ELi and the new QB.
I was not blasting DG on this thread just making a point which I think we all agree we need at least one more OLineman and frankly I think two.
Bypassing Dillard at 17 is in a way "putting off he;ping the OL" because he is such a damned good talent. Hey-- look at what SY and David Te said about Dillard. You can;t argue that he has really good value at 17 can you?
And what if you think SY and David Te are right about Dillard?
Hey, I'm with you on the O-Line, dude. I've been banging that drum for weeks.
I'm not angry. I asked that;s all. I'm not angry. I put the CAPS for point of emphasis. Not meant to be anything more than that. I'm okay if anyone disagrees and the poster who disagreed iwht me was respectful.
Hey if the GMEn get Wilkins and Bush or Sweat or Oliver or Lawrence and tow or even dream 3 of these guys and don't address the OL -- I'd still be fine with it.
Frankly I think Jones would be a disaster at 17 but even then I'm actually fine with what they do. You never know and DG and staff are the experts.
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You're going to give yourself an ulcer.
I'm not angry. I asked that;s all. I'm not angry. I put the CAPS for point of emphasis. Not meant to be anything more than that. I'm okay if anyone disagrees and the poster who disagreed iwht me was respectful.
Hey if the GMEn get Wilkins and Bush or Sweat or Oliver or Lawrence and tow or even dream 3 of these guys and don't address the OL -- I'd still be fine with it.
Frankly I think Jones would be a disaster at 17 but even then I'm actually fine with what they do. You never know and DG and staff are the experts.
Cool.
The thing with the Giants is that they have so many holes, they really can't make a wrong move in terms of positions as long as they get good players. Can't afford any busts in the early rounds, need to strike a little gold, get a steal or two later on.
I think we could pick up a decent RT at 37
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1-- How long have we been putting off the OL?
2-- Make Barkley better.
3-- Make ELi better
4-- Make the new Qb better.
This is misguided anger towards the former GM.
Since taking over, Gettleman has stabilized LT - drafted a roadgrading LG and just traded for 1 of the best guards in the league.
I would love Risner at 37, not saying this line is perfect but it has not been ignored or “put off” by those in charge now. Gettleman has done an excellent job towards rebuilding that disgrace of an OL.
No it's not misguided anger. You took my 1st point and just threw out the rest.
Barkley is an unusual talent unlike anything we have ever seen in a LONG TIME. I don;t want him to be stuck in mediocrity o an OLINE. What people naturally assume is that if your defense is bad it means you will always lose 35-34.
I understand your point about Risner and i like him too but there ARE questions if he can be a RT. Frankly I have Risner in rd 2 too. ANd I dont think Dilard will be available so at 17 I consider him an awesome pickup.
I posted 4 reasons because the COMBINed SUM of all 4 make it imo sense to go after Dillard at 17 vs the options.
I hear stuff about "Qb whisperers" and DG's draft last year. But the "whisperer stuff is horseshit" and so is the assumption that just because DG likes hog mollies and had a successful draft last year there is an assumption he'll find terrific players in later rounds. That's a myht otherwise he;d still be a GM in Carolina.
***The Giants potentially have a limited window with Barkley. You don;t put off helping a potential all-time great by seeking "value" in later rounds if you can get it early with similar ratings on a posiiton of need.
******And where did I blast DG on this? Please tell me? Isaid we put it off for years. Yes DG has built it up (TO A CEWRTAIN POINT BUT THE JOB TO BUILDTHE OL IS NOT DONE< IS IT?) and I want him to contine. You would love Risner but the way SY and David Te spoke of Dillard I love Dillard a ton. If SY is right (and I think David Te is questioning him being a RT) and we go with your view of Risner (For the record I like Risner at RT too) and he is more of a guard --- then isn't that yet again putting off the OL when you could have had Dillard?
Look at SY's rankings on Dillard. See what David Te had to say about him. I was not blasting DG on this thread. DOn't know why you felt that way. You don't think the other three reasons I gave were good to support getting a RT?????????????? ANd Sy and David Te are telling us he's a stud yet your blasting my combined reasons all because you didn;t like point number 1?
I didn’t throw out the rest - they just all said the same thing. I’m in complete agreement on OL benefits , I just don’t love Dillard vs the D prospects I expect to be available (a good defense indirectly helps the QB too).
I wouldn’t be upset with Dillard, just not over a prospect like Burns/Lawrence/Bush - but who knows how this draft unfolds. 17 could go a million ways, all I know is it won’t be a kicker or RB.
I like Risner, a lot. He could return to C and give Saquon gaping holes up the middle.
Solder, Hernandez, Risner, Zietler, Remmers ... with 2 top 20 picks on defense. Playoff push.
I think we could pick up a decent RT at 37
I don't want a "decent RT." I want the motherlovin' Juggernaut.
DOnnie--
IMO Guys like Gulden, Martin, the two draft picks of Hill and Carter and the safety in Peppers are Bettcher guys. Sam Beal might even be a Bettcher guy.
And I do know if we go with defense that will also be a Bettcher guy. SO I don't see why not giving Bettcher too is going away from what he's trying to do. The 2nd rd pick you could also drat a Bettcher guy. And the 3rd too etc.
I know you'll come back at me with you could do the same with the line but as cited on minor points that ELi desperately needs a good OLINe as will our eventual new QB. Don’t "settle."
**I think most important reason though is that this team is built around Barkley not Bettcher. To get Barkley to fully utilize his impact you should focus on giving him the greatest chance to succeed and at 17 imo you aren’t helping Bettcher that much helping Barkley and Eli a ton.
Eli is incompetent without a good OLINE. Give him a good OLINE he is okay. Barkley is very good without a good OLINE. Give him a good OLINE imo he'll perform at an unbelievable level - imo more of an impact than what the G-men will get on defense with the 17th pick.
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You have a very compelling argument and I do agree; however, we hired a defensive coordinator whom we have not yet given the type of players to fit his scheme in order for it to work. How long do we have to wait for that? I think there is no right answer to whether to go DL or OL but to go with best available player that you have rated on your board. Dillard would be an excellent pick a #17 and I have no doubt. I also believe putting in a player like Bush at ILB or Lawrence NT would be of significant help to the defense. I have come to the conclusion that you really can’t go wrong at #17.
DOnnie--
IMO Guys like Gulden, Martin, the two draft picks of Hill and Carter and the safety in Peppers are Bettcher guys. Sam Beal might even be a Bettcher guy.
And I do know if we go with defense that will also be a Bettcher guy. SO I don't see why not giving Bettcher too is going away from what he's trying to do. The 2nd rd pick you could also drat a Bettcher guy. And the 3rd too etc.
I know you'll come back at me with you could do the same with the line but as cited on minor points that ELi desperately needs a good OLINe as will our eventual new QB. Don’t "settle."
**I think most important reason though is that this team is built around Barkley not Bettcher. To get Barkley to fully utilize his impact you should focus on giving him the greatest chance to succeed and at 17 imo you aren’t helping Bettcher that much helping Barkley and Eli a ton.
Eli is incompetent without a good OLINE. Give him a good OLINE he is okay. Barkley is very good without a good OLINE. Give him a good OLINE imo he'll perform at an unbelievable level - imo more of an impact than what the G-men will get on defense with the 17th pick.
I meant ot sya if we go with 6th pick on D it will be a Bettcher guy.
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1-- How long have we been putting off the OL?
2-- Make Barkley better.
3-- Make ELi better
4-- Make the new Qb better.
This is misguided anger towards the former GM.
Since taking over, Gettleman has stabilized LT - drafted a roadgrading LG and just traded for 1 of the best guards in the league.
I would love Risner at 37, not saying this line is perfect but it has not been ignored or “put off” by those in charge now. Gettleman has done an excellent job towards rebuilding that disgrace of an OL.
I’m not sure Risner makes it to 37. If he was guaranteed then defense would make sense at 17.
Dillard looks good — moves very well and technically sound. Very much the anti Flowers. There’s merit to locking up the OL w quality across the board for the next 5+ years.
It’s an interesting question. I wouldn’t hate any of these options at 17.
SO while the defense helped indirectly, I think if David Te and SY are right -- I htink the offense is helped directly immensely.
So we're just disagreeing on Dillard, not that I have anger lingering over the past regime in this case, right?
And as far as Remmers-- I don't think much of him at all. And I asked SY what he felt was the 2nd most important position on the OLINe and he said he felt it to be RT. I think remmers is a bad bet to perform much here at potentially the 2nd most important position on the OLINE. IMO that is "settling."
I have vacillated back-and-forth on addressing the defense and offense, but tickly the whole line for the past few months. Dillard definitely falls within the value range and I would be elated if he is selected. I also would be elated if Bush, Lawrence or Sweat would be the selection. Again, I don’t think the Giants can actually go wrong.
Regarding trading down, it’s a great opportunity to pick up that third round pick; however, this talent is very deep and maybe of clustered value from #17 to #25. I just don’t know what player would motivate a team to move up to #17, if all the QBs are gone.
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In comment 14396296 giantstock said:
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1-- How long have we been putting off the OL?
2-- Make Barkley better.
3-- Make ELi better
4-- Make the new Qb better.
This is misguided anger towards the former GM.
Since taking over, Gettleman has stabilized LT - drafted a roadgrading LG and just traded for 1 of the best guards in the league.
I would love Risner at 37, not saying this line is perfect but it has not been ignored or “put off” by those in charge now. Gettleman has done an excellent job towards rebuilding that disgrace of an OL.
We have various-sized tomato cans at Center, and a turnstile at Right Tackle (not to mention no quality depth). The job of fixing the O-Line is incomplete, at best.
I think we could pick up a decent RT at 37
Who said Bettcher loves Lawrence?
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they need playmakers on D and I believe he is one. Betcher loves Lawrence, apparently, so it may be a close call.
I think we could pick up a decent RT at 37
Who said Bettcher loves Lawrence?
I have heard word of that too. I can’t remember who stated as a source.
SO while the defense helped indirectly, I think if David Te and SY are right -- I htink the offense is helped directly immensely.
So we're just disagreeing on Dillard, not that I have anger lingering over the past regime in this case, right?
And as far as Remmers-- I don't think much of him at all. And I asked SY what he felt was the 2nd most important position on the OLINe and he said he felt it to be RT. I think remmers is a bad bet to perform much here at potentially the 2nd most important position on the OLINE. IMO that is "settling."
I’m fine with Dillard, don’t “hate” the pick and if the draft falls a certain way he’s a fine selection.
Now, I’d much rather have Dexter Lawrence and Risner than Dillard and ___, all I’m saying.
We want the OL to get better, couldn’t agree more. I want this draft to emphasize both lines and get back to beating up opponents, no more “basketball on grass” BS
Gimme an OL and 2 D prospects with the top 3 picks, feed Saquon, and get out of his way.
If the asshats are to be believed remmers is in the bag for righttackle
The only asshat who said that was outed as a dupe.
Regardless, I wouldn't count on a guy coming off back surgery who may or may not be able to pass a physical, and may or may not sign with the Giants even if he does.
I'd hedge my bets with a plug-and-play RT in the draft.
1. Run the football.
2 stop the run.
3. Rush the passer
In my view you put Lawrence next to his teammate and nobody is going to run the ball on us.
The are pass rushers all over the first 4 rounds.
DG has a history of finding his hog mollies on day 3 .
I love Bush for our defense but taking CW is duplicating Tomlinson and BJ
Taking Lawrence at 6 is a wiser selection if the goal is the shutdown the run getting Bush at 17 would make it a HR 1st round.
1. Run the football.
2 stop the run.
3. Rush the passer
In my view you put Lawrence next to his teammate and nobody is going to run the ball on us.
The are pass rushers all over the first 4 rounds.
DG has a history of finding his hog mollies on day 3 .
I love Bush for our defense but taking CW is duplicating Tomlinson and BJ
Taking Lawrence at 6 is a wiser selection if the goal is the shutdown the run getting Bush at 17 would make it a HR 1st round.
If you wanted the draft to go in that direction, your best bet is to take Bush at #6 and Lawrence at #17. However, I think Dave Gettleman is looking to replace Thomlinson. Christian would be an upgrade.