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NFT: Ad’s in the middle of threads

Hsilwek92 : 4/21/2019 2:31 pm
Anyone else seeing this? I hope this isn’t here to stay.
Per thread below  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 2:32 pm : link
I am running some tests.

Those ads may stay. I need the revenue.
RE: Per thread below  
AcidTest : 4/21/2019 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14396418 Eric from BBI said:
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I am running some tests.

Those ads may stay. I need the revenue.


Do whatever you have to do. I love BBI. Ads in threads won't change that.
I actually prefer them  
mattyblue : 4/21/2019 2:44 pm : link
to the ones along the side
RE: I actually prefer them  
mfsd : 4/21/2019 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14396441 mattyblue said:
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to the ones along the side


+1

Make sure you contribute to the annual fundraiser...  
DonQuixote : 4/21/2019 3:24 pm : link
...the topics are related.

it all helps
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christian : 4/21/2019 3:32 pm : link
Online ads are pretty normal for long format content.

One minor thing I've noticed on mobile for Android is the ads are showing in the quote box -- which is moderately disruptive and likely to decrease the click rate.

Cleaning up that targeting should be a pretty simple effort.
What christian said, in SPADES  
ColHowPepper : 4/21/2019 4:12 pm : link
ads in the middle of the quote box, i.e., in the body of the post itself, never mind in the thread, disrupts reading through the poster's content. It forces you to skip and look for where to pick up the poster's content and is more annoying than seeing a portion of the OS or posts at top of a page blocked out.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 4:19 pm : link
Placement may be out of our hands. This is an autoads feature and unlike traditional code, we can't influence placement.
Maybe if posters started editing their replies...  
Klaatu : 4/21/2019 4:39 pm : link
It wouldn't happen so much, or at least it wouldn't be as annoying.

Do we really need to see:

In comment, so-and-so said:

Quote:

In comment, so-and-so said:

Quote:

In comment, so-and-so said:

Etc., etc. It's pretty tedious.
I understand the need for revenue  
Hsilwek92 : 4/21/2019 4:54 pm : link
But it’s pretty annoying on a device with a touch screen when you’re scrolling through a thread and accidentally click one of the ads.
RE: I understand the need for revenue  
DonQuixote : 4/21/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14396645 Hsilwek92 said:
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But it’s pretty annoying on a device with a touch screen when you’re scrolling through a thread and accidentally click one of the ads.


I totally agree. But how is that germane to the fact that the site needs revenue?
I see this on other websites too  
Steve in ATL : 4/21/2019 5:44 pm : link
not just a BBI thing. Not unusual but is annoying.

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Nick in LA : 4/21/2019 6:50 pm : link
They are terrible.
Hope  
Eli owns all : 4/21/2019 7:11 pm : link
The revenues worth this shit. I’ve clicked on 3 ads already on this garbage.
RE: RE: I understand the need for revenue  
Hsilwek92 : 4/21/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14396703 DonQuixote said:
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In comment 14396645 Hsilwek92 said:


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But it’s pretty annoying on a device with a touch screen when you’re scrolling through a thread and accidentally click one of the ads.



I totally agree. But how is that germane to the fact that the site needs revenue?


Eric said so in this thread.
RE: Hope  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14396773 Eli owns all said:
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The revenues worth this shit. I’ve clicked on 3 ads already on this garbage.


With all due respect, it is not a given that BBI will survive.
RE: RE: Hope  
Eli owns all : 4/21/2019 8:22 pm : link
In comment 14396818 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14396773 Eli owns all said:


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The revenues worth this shit. I’ve clicked on 3 ads already on this garbage.

Okay, sorry now I feel like a dick. Sorry not a fan of the middle
Page ads. Do your thing Eric


With all due respect, it is not a given that BBI will survive.
RE: RE: RE: I understand the need for revenue  
DonQuixote : 4/21/2019 8:28 pm : link
In comment 14396782 Hsilwek92 said:
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In comment 14396703 DonQuixote said:


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In comment 14396645 Hsilwek92 said:


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But it’s pretty annoying on a device with a touch screen when you’re scrolling through a thread and accidentally click one of the ads.



I totally agree. But how is that germane to the fact that the site needs revenue?



Eric said so in this thread.


Perhaps you misunderstood me; I am sure I was not very clear. I meant to say that people can be annoyed by advertisements (though I would ask, on which site do they like the ads?). That annoyance isn't really relevant (germane) because the income is needed.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I understand the need for revenue  
Hsilwek92 : 4/21/2019 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14396840 DonQuixote said:
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In comment 14396703 DonQuixote said:


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In comment 14396645 Hsilwek92 said:


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But it’s pretty annoying on a device with a touch screen when you’re scrolling through a thread and accidentally click one of the ads.



I totally agree. But how is that germane to the fact that the site needs revenue?



Eric said so in this thread.



Perhaps you misunderstood me; I am sure I was not very clear. I meant to say that people can be annoyed by advertisements (though I would ask, on which site do they like the ads?). That annoyance isn't really relevant (germane) because the income is needed.


I disagree that the annoyance isn’t relevant. If it causes the site to lose traffic, it’s pretty relevant.
Hsilwek92  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 8:39 pm : link
I don't like it either, but go to the Daily News, Bergen Record, etc. sites... you're talking about overlay ads, pop-ups, etc.

I try to keep things at a minimum, no automatic sound play ads, overlays, pop-ups, etc.

Again, I am testing this. I need to find a way to increase revenue.

There is a reason why you see sportswriters fleeing the large media sites for pay sites like TheAthletic. Those other sites can't generate the revenue. Look at NJ.com, instead of consolidating their info into a few articles, they create 8-10 click-bait articles each day. It's almost impossible to sort through.
Eric...  
bw in dc : 4/21/2019 8:44 pm : link
I'm assuming you thought about charging for content...?
RE: Eric...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14396857 bw in dc said:
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I'm assuming you thought about charging for content...?


That's been suggested for years. I'm convinced that would kill the site. It would eventually wither away. (Case in point, TheAthletic is a huge site that covers all sports and there was a thread on it this week where a number of BBIers said they won't pay for content.

The internet was meant to be free. I try to keep ads to a minimum and supplement that with the contribution campaign where a few hundred volunteer to make donations.
RE: ...  
Chocco : 4/21/2019 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14396592 Eric from BBI said:
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Placement may be out of our hands. This is an autoads feature and unlike traditional code, we can't influence placement.

Hi Eric,
One observation, one opinion, and one question.

The ads appear ( at least on my Android phone) to be mainly at the beginning of the thread. On multi-page threads I have been using the show all feature. It's a little more scrolling, but once you get past the first 10 or so posts the ads pretty much stop. I usually use the show all feature for longer threads anyway. So for me I feel the ads are just a minor inconvenience, that I am happy to put up with.

Is there a place to donate while the campaign is not going on?
Chocco  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 8:57 pm : link
Weird thing on my home computer, the ads don't appear. They only appear on mobile devices.

But like you said, I only see two ads, within the first 1/3 of the top of a thread. It doesn't seem bad to me. But what I'm testing is what it generates. If it only creates $1 per day or something like that, forget it. If it generates $10 per day, I may have to keep it. We'll see.

The only time I accept contributions is during the campaign (for a variety of reasons).
Eric  
Hsilwek92 : 4/21/2019 9:01 pm : link
Totally get it. It sucks but, I get it.
Are there legal reasons why you cannot accept contributions  
Hsilwek92 : 4/21/2019 9:02 pm : link
year round?
RE: Are there legal reasons why you cannot accept contributions  
Joey from GlenCove : 4/21/2019 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14396880 Hsilwek92 said:
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year round?


I he has addressed this in the past. People are more motivated when there is a window to donate. And during training camp I’d venture to guess people are excited about the team and traffic maybe higher?
Sites like nj.com are  
Gregorio : 4/21/2019 9:58 pm : link
Almost in-navigable. Their pop up ads are debilitating.

So far, the in-thread ads are a minor annoyance, but not horrible to me. They’re a whole lot better than the large ads at the top-right of some threads, that overlay poster’s comments. Hey
Eric  
Chocco : 4/21/2019 10:28 pm : link
Thanks, I sent an email to the info address with some more observations if you are interested ( I was bored).



Don’t forget to donate...  
trueblueinpw : 4/21/2019 10:46 pm : link
People complain about ads? Okay, but don’t forget to donate at campaign time. Another idea we’ve kicked around in the past is to show on our handles if we donated or not. Might be cool to see who really gives and does not. Especially when these complaints come up.
RE: RE: Are there legal reasons why you cannot accept contributions  
Hsilwek92 : 4/21/2019 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14396914 Joey from GlenCove said:
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In comment 14396880 Hsilwek92 said:


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year round?



I he has addressed this in the past. People are more motivated when there is a window to donate. And during training camp I’d venture to guess people are excited about the team and traffic maybe higher?


If that’s the case, the donation campaign should be the time leading up to and during draft.

Also, IMO, if people love this site and know contributions help to keep it afloat, an artificial donating window shouldn’t be needed. Look at how many there are in this thread telling Eric to do what he needs to do because they love this site.
I would take an ad every 5 posts in place of that  
widmerseyebrow : 4/21/2019 11:12 pm : link
Horrible sidebar. Thats the main thing that makes these threads mobile unfriendly.
RE: I would take an ad every 5 posts in place of that  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14397031 widmerseyebrow said:
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Horrible sidebar. Thats the main thing that makes these threads mobile unfriendly.


Do you mean the ads on the right side within threads? I have asked Gary if there is a way to fix that. When USA Today pushed out new ad code last month, they got funky.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 11:18 pm : link
There are a number of reasons why I prefer the contribution campaign for a limited time. But the two main reasons are:

(1) I think if folks know if there is a deadline, they are more likely not to procrastinate. The deadline always spurs people to give at the end. Plus, to be frank, the campaign is active for 1/6 of the year (2 months).

(2) I personally hate doing this. It feels like begging. I can't tell you how happy I am each year when it's past me and I can completely focus on football again.
Eric  
Hsilwek92 : 4/21/2019 11:37 pm : link
Draft time brings in a ton of traffic. Moving the campaign may be beneficial.
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/21/2019 11:39 pm : link
In comment 14397064 Hsilwek92 said:
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Draft time brings in a ton of traffic. Moving the campaign may be beneficial.


It only brings huge traffic for a week.

Training camp/preseason traffic is sustained.
Makes sense  
Hsilwek92 : 4/21/2019 11:49 pm : link
Still, it’s a time of year where there’s a ton of traffic. No reason you couldn’t have some kind of mini contribution period. Just a thought.
Restoring this community would best be accomplished by  
Nitro : 4/22/2019 1:44 am : link
a broader NFT allowance which would increase people's time on the site. There's only so much to say about a given football topic in a day and while occasionally great threads to be found, and in order to facilitate those great football discussions, it helps to have others occurring here. This has been roundly been rejected. That's a choice chosen by the site's leadership but it has consequences. The basic calculus here is:

Compelling NFTs = greater time on site = greater traffic = greater ad revenue.

The fact is the unique role BBI could play has largely been subsumed by other forms of media - Twitter is faster and better suited for breaking news, there's other places to discuss the league writ large, and there's also other places to have conversations on topics verboten to BBI. Part of this was inevitable, but part of it was not. The advantage BBI has always had was community, but little has been done to foster that of late. In my view a part of that is because people cannot engage on contentious (but interesting) topics any longer - that was a key ingredient to the site's robust personality of the mid to late aughts. Big personalities, big opinions, and despite disagreement there was the unifying bond of the Giants. The culling of that (and I understand why it happened) killed the dynamic of the site, and pushed people away from it as there was frankly just less to do here. Rather than get really interesting discussions and conversations about a whole host of topics, things were narrowed down to oblivion. Honestly I think you can tie BBI's decline to the rise of Reddit - a place for eclectic interests to thrive.

Finally, it doesn't help that the team's been bad, and it also doesn't help that for me, at least personally (and judging by the numbers this is true for many) the NFL is losing some of it's luster.
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Dodge : 4/22/2019 6:46 am : link
Maybe you should use real forum software. There is no reason for this site to struggle. Maybe a modern web design on the front page and not something from 1999.
Ads appearing mid thread? Fine  
jlukes : 4/22/2019 12:23 pm : link
Ads appearing in the middle of posts, including quoted posts, is absolute garbage
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