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ESPN: Drafting Mahomes: How the Chiefs outmaneuvered the NFL

Jon C. in MD : 4/21/2019 5:04 pm
This is somewhat Giants related.

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We were also aware there were a number of other teams that liked him, teams like the Arizona Cardinals, the New York Giants, the New Orleans Saints, the Pittsburgh Steelers. There were teams that would try to make the move a year early to try to prepare their next starting QB.

"We're sitting there on the night of the draft, and there's communication going back and forth between teams and agents. It's not something you see, but we're on our phones talking with coaches and general managers. We were aware of certain teams that said they were trying to trade up. If Kansas City hadn't gone exactly where they went, he would have been gone. He would have been gone on the very next pick."

Dorsey had much the same sense. He identified the Cardinals, Giants and Saints as teams the Chiefs needed to maneuver in front of. The Saints picked 11th, the Cardinals 13th and the Giants 23rd.

"I know there were three teams that wanted this player very badly, and I got a text or two [afterward] asking, 'How'd you do that?’
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I love learning about the process....  
Giantsfanincuse : 4/21/2019 5:09 pm : link
I wish I could be a fly on the wall for all of the meetings and discussions etc
Sounds like the Giants  
FrankieR : 4/21/2019 5:13 pm : link
Had really absolutely no shot at getting Mahomes. So the cry babies here can just zip it now.as n
RE: Sounds like the Giants  
Big Blue '56 : 4/21/2019 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14396666 FrankieR said:
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Had really absolutely no shot at getting Mahomes. So the cry babies here can just zip it now.as n


No they didn’t. Not really
RE: Sounds like the Giants  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/21/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14396666 FrankieR said:
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Had really absolutely no shot at getting Mahomes. So the cry babies here can just zip it now.as n

MacAdoo was banging the table for Mahomes
RE: Sounds like the Giants  
bw in dc : 4/21/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14396666 FrankieR said:
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Had really absolutely no shot at getting Mahomes. So the cry babies here can just zip it now.as n


Why?

The Bills moved up from 27th. We were 23rd.
I think this story should help put things into perspective...  
EricJ : 4/21/2019 5:21 pm : link
for those here who are saying the Giants should not select "xyz" QB with the #6 pick and they should wait until the endo of round 1 to pick the guy.

First they obviously risk having someone grab the guy before he falls to them when they pick again.

Second, if you truly believe the guy will be your franchise QB for the next decade or more, then you take him with your first pick... period.

The league obviously did not think Mahomes was good enough to be selected towards the front of the draft. With 20-20 vision... he would potentially be selected with the first pick in the draft if we could run that draft over again.
RE: RE: Sounds like the Giants  
Jim in Tampa : 4/21/2019 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14396674 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14396666 FrankieR said:


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Had really absolutely no shot at getting Mahomes. So the cry babies here can just zip it now.as n



Why?

The Bills moved up from 27th. We were 23rd.

Exactly!

Looks like somebody is bad at math.
And Mahomes was tagged as a second round pick  
ZogZerg : 4/21/2019 5:37 pm : link
By the "experts". Until he moved up to late one late in process.
Comparing Bills situation last year to Giants  
ZogZerg : 4/21/2019 5:39 pm : link
2 years ago is just silly.
Revisionist history  
McNally's_Nuts : 4/21/2019 5:41 pm : link
would anyone have believed in Ben McAdoo to develop him the way Andy Reid has done?


Survey says?!?
Biggest difference  
Motley Two : 4/21/2019 5:48 pm : link
Is Andy Reid had been assembling that team for a couple of season and getting it ready to add the young QB. That's exactly how you get a franchise QB. They're not in the draft, they're made in the NFL.
Yeah, Mahomes comes out the one year....  
MOOPS : 4/21/2019 6:12 pm : link
we don't crap the bed.
no real mystery how  
fkap : 4/21/2019 7:39 pm : link
the Chiefs did it. They guessed at what spot they needed to go to get him, then they coughed up the trade price. Other teams guessed wrong, or didn't want to pony up the price of admission. It's not like the other teams were unaware of the Chiefs interest. They didn't think KC would jump that high or wouldn't outbid KC.

It was a great trade, in hindsight. But the road to the NFL is littered with trades that didn't turn out as expected.
What  
thomasa510 : 4/21/2019 8:05 pm : link
One of the best things about Gettleman is silence around who the Giants are taking.

Before he came there were rumors every year before the draft that turned out to be right. Seems as if there was a leaker in the Reese era. This could have kept the Giants from getting Mahomes
RE: Revisionist history  
bw in dc : 4/21/2019 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14396701 McNally's_Nuts said:
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would anyone have believed in Ben McAdoo to develop him the way Andy Reid has done?


Survey says?!?


Mahomes is a special talent. Reid can't teach him to roll right and then throw back across his body forty yards on a dime with a laser. Reid can't teach him roll left, against his natural right arm, and throw the ball fifty yards sidearm like he's skipping rocks across a pond. Reid can't teach the kid to throw a no-look pass twenty yards down the field right on the numbers.

Yes, Reid helped. But Mahomes would have been great everywhere. It may have taken longer but that talent is too brilliant.

In other words, McAdoo and Mahomes would have figured it out.

And McAdoo wouldn't have been the problem. Eli would have been because ownership doesn't/wouldn't let him relinquish his spot as the starter. So the point is moot...
the Eli fiasco  
fkap : 4/21/2019 8:49 pm : link
would have gone down differently. Management/owners would have been on board with the end of the Eli era, and fans would have been prepped for the end. Benching Eli for his obvious successor would not have elicited the backlash, and BM might still be coach.

But, a LOT has to change for the Giants to join BM in giving up on Eli

continued  
fkap : 4/21/2019 8:52 pm : link
giving up on Eli and doing what it took to move up and draft his successor two years ago.
The same thing has happened to the Giants in multiple drafts  
nowturnyourheadandcoughlin : 4/21/2019 10:07 pm : link
Remember in 2016 the Titans moved in front of the Giants to take Jack Conklin and the VERY next pick the Bears moved in front of the Giants to take Leonard Floyd? Because everyone and their grandmother knew those were two guys on the top of the Giant's big board. That was the buzz before the draft. Jerry Reach was never good at keeping secrets. Him and Marc Ross. Other scouts must have gotten Ross really drunk and had him spill the beans. lmao.
RE: The same thing has happened to the Giants in multiple drafts  
EricJ : 4/21/2019 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14396922 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:
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Other scouts must have gotten Ross really drunk and had him spill the beans. lmao.


It was as if Reese and Ross got drunk an hour before each draft
I love seeing McAdoo’s name abbreviated on here as BM  
eric2425ny : 4/21/2019 11:22 pm : link
very fitting.

That being said, he was right about Mahomes. But even if we got Mahomes do you think we would have ever been that great of a team? I envision a scenario where BM remains coach and we are this mediocre team for years because of A.) a culture problem and B.) a GM and his clown pal Marc Ross fucking up the offensive line year after year after year.
RE: Revisionist history  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 4/22/2019 7:35 am : link
In comment 14396701 McNally's_Nuts said:
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would anyone have believed in Ben McAdoo to develop him the way Andy Reid has done?


Survey says?!?


If they do, they are nuts. The first thing McAdoo would have done is correct Mahomes' "fundamentals" and prevented him from becoming the quarterback he has become.
I'm guessing it's Wormtongue Ross  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/22/2019 10:10 am : link
Who couldn't keep his mouth shut, seems like an idiot who loves hearing the sound of his own voice. King Theoden Reese seems a bit reserved.
good piece and great story on Mahomes  
ColHowPepper : 4/22/2019 10:29 am : link
Happy for the kid and Chiefs, too bad for Giants and BM. He certainly had his limitations, couldn't uncork himself out of the s..t roster he had inherited and adjust his approach, on and off the field.
When I first posted the Giants' interest in Mahomes here  
JonC : 4/22/2019 12:04 pm : link
they thought he'd be there at #23.

It wasn't long before they realized other teams were hot on his trail, but it sure seemed Reese didn't try hard to move up.
&  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2019 12:08 pm : link
who is to say if we drafted Mahomes, he'd be this good?
A lot goes into being a successful QB:  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2019 12:09 pm : link
A good coach, system, players around him...
Chiefs  
jestersdead : 4/22/2019 12:19 pm : link
had more pieces in place to make that trade than the Giants.
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They sent the 27th pick, a third-round selection and their first-round choice in 2018 to the Buffalo Bills for the right to draft Mahomes with the 10th pick.
Imagine trading a top 5 pick from last year? Unfortunately the Giants were not as close to the super bowl as many thought and the Chiefs were/are
RE: When I first posted the Giants' interest in Mahomes here  
bw in dc : 4/22/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14397517 JonC said:
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they thought he'd be there at #23.

It wasn't long before they realized other teams were hot on his trail, but it sure seemed Reese didn't try hard to move up.


So does that mean Mahomes would have been selected over Engram?
RE: RE: When I first posted the Giants' interest in Mahomes here  
JonC : 4/22/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14397542 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14397517 JonC said:


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they thought he'd be there at #23.

It wasn't long before they realized other teams were hot on his trail, but it sure seemed Reese didn't try hard to move up.



So does that mean Mahomes would have been selected over Engram?


Absolutely, yes.
Desire for Mahommes  
fkap : 4/22/2019 12:49 pm : link
would indicate they were not as high on Eli as many think (including myself).

One year on the bench is likely. Was the plan to part ways with Eli before this past season?
fkap  
ColHowPepper : 4/22/2019 2:02 pm : link
seems so, albeit as it turned out the torturous and totally botched process to sit him down had the Maras running for cover and reversisng course.

At the time of the 2017 draft, the 2017 season had not yet unfolded, so MacAdoo probably had some good will inside Mara Central. That didn't last.
With a legitimate replacement  
fkap : 4/22/2019 4:55 pm : link
on the bench, and Eli definitely nearing the end of his Giants career, the whole deal would have gone down differently. BM wasn't exactly wowing anyone with his coaching ability, but without that shit show storm to concentrate all the hatred on him, it's not out of the question he might have survived.
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