It's not three trades. Just one. Not a given it happens but I'm hearing that if the right offer comes for 17 it's on the table it's moved in package for a player similar to peppers and picks. From what I'm told the Giants will move heaven and eartth to make sure they have picks between 37 and 95.
It's not three trades. Just one. Not a given it happens but I'm hearing that if the right offer comes for 17 it's on the table it's moved in package for a player similar to peppers and picks. From what I'm told the Giants will move heaven and eartth to make sure they have picks between 37 and 95.
This is good news. Need to maneuver all around the draft with the capital they have, trade down and then move up from 95.
I apologize to that one poster that said it sounded like 1 trade with Â
It's not three trades. Just one. Not a given it happens but I'm hearing that if the right offer comes for 17 it's on the table it's moved in package for a player similar to peppers and picks. From what I'm told the Giants will move heaven and eartth to make sure they have picks between 37 and 95.
It's not three trades. Just one. Not a given it happens but I'm hearing that if the right offer comes for 17 it's on the table it's moved in package for a player similar to peppers and picks. From what I'm told the Giants will move heaven and eartth to make sure they have picks between 37 and 95.
They’ll move “heaven and earth” to get more picks, but when it comes to getting a QB, they’re prepared to go with Eli until he drops on the field.
Anyway, we’ll see what happens. If they get Haskins at 6 - and I will Hope for Haskins through the draft - they can do whatever they want.
I do find it ironic that we are warned that the Giants don’t run smokescreens. But when it comes to trading down - which is essentially what a trade of 17 for a player and picks could be - DG (and Reese, for that matter), HAVE NEVER TRADED DOWN. EVER. Just saying.
So, if I’m reading the tea leaves correctly. The deal for Odell was completed with the idea in mind of getting their next franchise QB at that spot, while bolstering the defense at 6. Since then, the possibility of the QB(s) they were targeting appear to be getting selected beforehand. So, they are weighing a potential move up to secure one of the signal callers, or contemplating dealing the #17 for additional defensive player, plus picks (like a trade down) to help build out the defense.
If that is all possibility true, it makes me wonder if they are now reassessing taking the QB at 6, trading #17, while getting a defensive piece, along with additional picks to make up for the loss of a game changer on D at 6.
It's not three trades. Just one. Not a given it happens but I'm hearing that if the right offer comes for 17 it's on the table it's moved in package for a player similar to peppers and picks. From what I'm told the Giants will move heaven and eartth to make sure they have picks between 37 and 95.
They’ll move “heaven and earth” to get more picks, but when it comes to getting a QB, they’re prepared to go with Eli until he drops on the field.
Anyway, we’ll see what happens. If they get Haskins at 6 - and I will Hope for Haskins through the draft - they can do whatever they want.
I do find it ironic that we are warned that the Giants don’t run smokescreens. But when it comes to trading down - which is essentially what a trade of 17 for a player and picks could be - DG (and Reese, for that matter), HAVE NEVER TRADED DOWN. EVER. Just saying.
Reese def traded down, but I get your point. He rarely did it and DG has never done it.
I will play the guessing game. If the qb they want is not there at 17 they will trade pick 17 to the Vikings for their 50th 81st and Kyle Sloter. Vikings will then have the 17th and 18th pick.
So, if I’m reading the tea leaves correctly. The deal for Odell was completed with the idea in mind of getting their next franchise QB at that spot, while bolstering the defense at 6. Since then, the possibility of the QB(s) they were targeting appear to be getting selected beforehand. So, they are weighing a potential move up to secure one of the signal callers, or contemplating dealing the #17 for additional defensive player, plus picks (like a trade down) to help build out the defense.
If that is all possibility true, it makes me wonder if they are now reassessing taking the QB at 6, trading #17, while getting a defensive piece, along with additional picks to make up for the loss of a game changer on D at 6.
Am I off?
Pretty sure Odell trade was about landing a freak athlete they love at safety in Bettcher’s defense (rightfully so) + a top 20 pick + a 3rd rounder
Although QB could’ve been a part of the equation. If it’s for a QB
1. NY Giants first rounder
2. Heir apparent to Eli Manning
3. Drafted with pick acquired from trading Odell Beckham
I will play the guessing game. If the qb they want is not there at 17 they will trade pick 17 to the Vikings for their 50th 81st and Kyle Sloter. Vikings will then have the 17th and 18th pick.
a Sloter trade makes so much sense ... I would want a bit more (2020 pick) for 17 overall though
The more I read about this year’s QBs the less I like. If forced I would go with Lock but would really be happy with the trade discussed above —-17 for the Arizona 3rd and 4th plus Rosen. Rosen may never be great but seems to have less risk associated with him than any of the 2019 QBs.
A trade with SF would make sense....as they were already discussing a trade for OBJ. 17 is the area the top WR would go....now, what are they offering?
New England would also make sense...with Gronk retiring...they need a top TE, either one or both Iowa TEs might be around, New England have a ton of earlier picks.
The more I read about this year’s QBs the less I like. If forced I would go with Lock but would really be happy with the trade discussed above —-17 for the Arizona 3rd and 4th plus Rosen. Rosen may never be great but seems to have less risk associated with him than any of the 2019 QBs.
His contract is also dirt cheap ... Giants did a ton of work on Rosen last year, no insider has suggested he’s a trade target though
Instead of feeding into all of this BS, speculation, and rumor.
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
A trade with SF would make sense....as they were already discussing a trade for OBJ. 17 is the area the top WR would go....now, what are they offering?
New England would also make sense...with Gronk retiring...they need a top TE, either one or both Iowa TEs might be around, New England have a ton of earlier picks.
I posted this the other day ...
17 for Buckner, then SF drafts Q Williams. SF gets Williams and a WR like Paris Campbell ... they aren’t going to pay Buckner and Armstead and the #2 pick on the DL
Win/Win for both teams ... Buckner in this scheme would be incredible
recollection is that Reese never traded down, and that Gettleman has never done so either. The last time the Giants traded down was for Kiwi IIRC. And that was Accorsi.
He’d be getting a likely starter + other picks ... SF with their DL depth and the fact #2 should be a DL has me hoping Buckner (who was discussed in Odell deal) is in play
Makes sense for both teams ... I’d gladly take Armstead too, but SF would have to throw in higher picks.
Buckner for 17; SF takes Q Williams and Paris Campbell ... do it Lynch!
RE: Why can't people just wait until Thursday evening Â
Instead of feeding into all of this BS, speculation, and rumor.
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
And package later picks for another 3rd and/or move up in the 3rd.
That seems the most reasonable and realistic
Trading 17 would mean they don’t like the QB’s.. Â
jtgiants has said they aren’t going QB at 6, if that’s the case they wouldn’t trade 17 if they liked any of the QB’s (Jones/Lock) and we’re on the table.
It would be real useful to know if the Giants have a starting RT Â
I will play the guessing game. If the qb they want is not there at 17 they will trade pick 17 to the Vikings for their 50th 81st and Kyle Sloter. Vikings will then have the 17th and 18th pick.
a Sloter trade makes so much sense ... I would want a bit more (2020 pick) for 17 overall though
That would make sense trading for despite the holes. I'd say RT and WR on offense and then CB on defense. WR would have to be a bigger target non slot type guy. RT would obviously have to be able to step in and start their immediately. And then any DB who could compete with the 2 guys we have now.
Instead of feeding into all of this BS, speculation, and rumor.
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
His quote certainly made it seem this way ... and I was thrilled by it.
Wilkins, Bush/Lawrence/Burns, Risner ... playoff push. Trade midrounder for Sloter, go all in 2020 on Herbert/Fromm and kiss Eli goodnight.
RE: It would be real useful to know if the Giants have a starting RT Â
Talented edge rusher Frank Clark was franchised by the Seahawks earlier in the offseason, but remains unsigned. The NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported that Clark could be dealt ahead of the draft. The Seahawks have just four draft choices - only two in the top 120 - and they just gave Russell Wilson a record-setting contract, so it makes sense for them to trade Clark. They would likely obtain a second-round pick in return.
Even if he was, I doubt the Giants give a 2. I don't know much about him.
Talented edge rusher Frank Clark was franchised by the Seahawks earlier in the offseason, but remains unsigned. The NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported that Clark could be dealt ahead of the draft. The Seahawks have just four draft choices - only two in the top 120 - and they just gave Russell Wilson a record-setting contract, so it makes sense for them to trade Clark. They would likely obtain a second-round pick in return.
Even if he was, I doubt the Giants give a 2. I don't know much about him.
37 overall for this guy is a no brainer. He’s averaged ~ 11 sacks / year over the last 3 seasons and is just entering his
RE: RE: Why can't people just wait until Thursday evening Â
Instead of feeding into all of this BS, speculation, and rumor.
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
His quote certainly made it seem this way ... and I was thrilled by it.
Wilkins, Bush/Lawrence/Burns, Risner ... playoff push. Trade midrounder for Sloter, go all in 2020 on Herbert/Fromm and kiss Eli goodnight.
Seriously, you guys have to stop the Sloter crap. The only time he's thrown a pass in combat in the last SIX years is ONE season at Northern Colorado. That's NORTHERN FRIGGIN COLORADO. He's got as much value as a perforated condom.
Talented edge rusher Frank Clark was franchised by the Seahawks earlier in the offseason, but remains unsigned. The NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported that Clark could be dealt ahead of the draft. The Seahawks have just four draft choices - only two in the top 120 - and they just gave Russell Wilson a record-setting contract, so it makes sense for them to trade Clark. They would likely obtain a second-round pick in return.
Even if he was, I doubt the Giants give a 2. I don't know much about him.
37 overall for this guy is a no brainer. He’s averaged ~ 11 sacks / year over the last 3 seasons and is just entering his
That sounds great to me but what about scheme fit? Getting a guy like that could certainly open up some interesting possibilities at 6 and 17
Instead of feeding into all of this BS, speculation, and rumor.
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
You don't go into the draft saying "I'm going to draft a tackle at 37" That's not how the draft works. That's not how Gettleman drafts...period full stop.
the Giants don't get Jones, Grier may well be the fall back option at the top of round two. I don't see them trading for Rosen or Sloter. The Giants apparently won't give up anything more than #95 for Rosen, which will likely be a lot less than what other teams will offer. They could have had Sloter last year.
RE: RE: RE: Why can't people just wait until Thursday evening Â
Instead of feeding into all of this BS, speculation, and rumor.
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
His quote certainly made it seem this way ... and I was thrilled by it.
Wilkins, Bush/Lawrence/Burns, Risner ... playoff push. Trade midrounder for Sloter, go all in 2020 on Herbert/Fromm and kiss Eli goodnight.
Seriously, you guys have to stop the Sloter crap. The only time he's thrown a pass in combat in the last SIX years is ONE season at Northern Colorado. That's NORTHERN FRIGGIN COLORADO. He's got as much value as a perforated condom.
My guess is they would get a starter at another position. Maybe CB, maybe another LB, a taller WR? In addition to at least one other draft pick (late second or early third rounder).
He’d be getting a likely starter + other picks ... SF with their DL depth and the fact #2 should be a DL has me hoping Buckner (who was discussed in Odell deal) is in play
Makes sense for both teams ... I’d gladly take Armstead too, but SF would have to throw in higher picks.
Buckner for 17; SF takes Q Williams and Paris Campbell ... do it Lynch!
From what DaveTe is saying SF has become smitten with Quinnen. And maybe Bosas injury stuff is scaring them a little. We know Giants really like Buckner and it seems they are really focused on getting a disruptor and LEAD DOG for the DL. Getts mentioned he wants a lead dog on every level of D but only mentioned Ogletree and Bethea....guess what he left out....
He also has waxed poetic about the culture make over. This will be a DL with strong character as well.
That potentially takes out Oliver and Tillery and possibly Lawrence.
Lead dog DL either super high pick (Wilkins) or a trade for one (Buckner)
What would pick 6 be then? Jones? If its the QB or non DL I fully expect 17 to be the DL pick (either by trading it for a vet or using it for a pick)
If you are likely getting Buckner Id trade down from 6 to 10, 11. Take Bush or Burns and pick up an EXTRA second rounder. THEN trade 17 and 95 for Buckner 36 and 67 like another poster mentioned.
I also see Engram potentially being dangled out there too. Not a great fit in a power football team. If Engram dealt look for AJ Brown, Hakeem Butler.
My guess is they would get a starter at another position. Maybe CB, maybe another LB, a taller WR? In addition to at least one other draft pick (late second or early third rounder).
I think the idea is for multiple picks in the "sweet spot" of a deep draft. Value prop.
I will play the guessing game. If the qb they want is not there at 17 they will trade pick 17 to the Vikings for their 50th 81st and Kyle Sloter. Vikings will then have the 17th and 18th pick.
I’m not liking that trade at all. Drop 33 slots + 81 and Sloter?
I don't expect them to be making all those picks. I see them packaging something like 3 of those picks to move up somewhere into the 2nd or 3rd round. A player like Engram also could be moved to accomplish this but I hope they keep him because I see real value in his ability in this offense.
The overall point I'm making is this. The Giants will most likely, one way or another, pick somewhere between 37 and 95
people, that means a trade down from 17 ...
Which is something that DG has never, ever done.
Look, it's quite possible the Giants are not running a smokescreen. But you can't tell me they can't be running a smokescreen now because they never have and then tell me that DG is going to move down, even though that is something he has never done.
If the premise is that DG can't do something because he has never done it, then he can't be trading down from 17, and we can dismiss that too.
RE: RE: Why can't people just wait until Thursday evening Â
Instead of feeding into all of this BS, speculation, and rumor.
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
His quote certainly made it seem this way ... and I was thrilled by it.
Wilkins, Bush/Lawrence/Burns, Risner ... playoff push. Trade midrounder for Sloter, go all in 2020 on Herbert/Fromm and kiss Eli goodnight.
Yea. Playoff push, even though we absolutely suck. Then if we do have that "playoff push", we'll draft Tua or Fromm (neither of whom are guaranteed to be in the draft next year) with our pick between 15-20. Because it's simple to move up from 17 to 2.
You can call me an idiot all you want, but that post lacks basic logic. We are not going to get a top QB prospect next year if we make this so called playoff push people think we are making this season. So stop it.
1. Murray
2. Q
3. Trade down for QB
4. Oliver? This is where Allen could go
5. White
6. Allen- his blitz / coverage ability combination is rare
Then Buckner. That's a big upgrade to the D right there.
I'd be mildly surprised to see Bosa not in that top 5. I do agree we could see two QBs going prior to 6, but I'd guess Bosa would be the guy at #6, not Allen, in that scenario you've laid out.
JTgiants said the player(s) involved in the talks for pick 17 were ones with good contract situations for the Giants in terms of salary and years left.
That would rule out Deforest Buckner or Arik Armstead.
JT can re-confirm that or indicate something or someone new has risen into the picture.
You wanna speculate, keep track of what's been said.
DG sending back a couple of later picks is certainlt possible....
I have no idea....speculating, trying to fill in the blsnks, but
what I do know...
The Giants and SF already talked about trading Buckner and picks for an elite WR in OBJ......and the 17th spot should be where the "best" wr in draft would be taken.
The overall point I'm making is this. The Giants will most likely, one way or another, pick somewhere between 37 and 95
Which was why I was never totally happy w/the OBJ package. How DG took the lesser of the Browns 2 3rd round picks (I think 80 is the other) when the package was light to begin with,made no sense to me!
Sorry, not JT - but that’s the latest I saw (for those who have no idea). Thanks for the thread - love JT’s updates.
Sorry, not JT - but that’s the latest I saw (for those who have no idea). Thanks for the thread - love JT’s updates.
3? Even better. Thanks Gotham.
Not 3 different trades
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in the mold of Jabril Peppers ... which I assume means young player on cap friendly deal ...
Sorry, not JT - but that’s the latest I saw (for those who have no idea). Thanks for the thread - love JT’s updates.
3? Even better. Thanks Gotham.
Yes, that’s the last I saw - not sure if all on defense
(Like they’ll trade for X, Y, or Z ... not X and Y and Z)
I’ll let JT clarify further
This is good news. Need to maneuver all around the draft with the capital they have, trade down and then move up from 95.
Thank you
like 17 for ___ + 3rd rounder ?
Sign me up!
Maybe ship out Kyle Lauletta in the deal.
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Sign me up!
Thank you, as always
I assume this wouldn’t go down until Giants on the clock?
The 9ers do have Armstead & Buckner up for contracts ...
They’ll move “heaven and earth” to get more picks, but when it comes to getting a QB, they’re prepared to go with Eli until he drops on the field.
Anyway, we’ll see what happens. If they get Haskins at 6 - and I will Hope for Haskins through the draft - they can do whatever they want.
I do find it ironic that we are warned that the Giants don’t run smokescreens. But when it comes to trading down - which is essentially what a trade of 17 for a player and picks could be - DG (and Reese, for that matter), HAVE NEVER TRADED DOWN. EVER. Just saying.
So, if I’m reading the tea leaves correctly. The deal for Odell was completed with the idea in mind of getting their next franchise QB at that spot, while bolstering the defense at 6. Since then, the possibility of the QB(s) they were targeting appear to be getting selected beforehand. So, they are weighing a potential move up to secure one of the signal callers, or contemplating dealing the #17 for additional defensive player, plus picks (like a trade down) to help build out the defense.
If that is all possibility true, it makes me wonder if they are now reassessing taking the QB at 6, trading #17, while getting a defensive piece, along with additional picks to make up for the loss of a game changer on D at 6.
Am I off?
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It's not three trades. Just one. Not a given it happens but I'm hearing that if the right offer comes for 17 it's on the table it's moved in package for a player similar to peppers and picks. From what I'm told the Giants will move heaven and eartth to make sure they have picks between 37 and 95.
They’ll move “heaven and earth” to get more picks, but when it comes to getting a QB, they’re prepared to go with Eli until he drops on the field.
Anyway, we’ll see what happens. If they get Haskins at 6 - and I will Hope for Haskins through the draft - they can do whatever they want.
I do find it ironic that we are warned that the Giants don’t run smokescreens. But when it comes to trading down - which is essentially what a trade of 17 for a player and picks could be - DG (and Reese, for that matter), HAVE NEVER TRADED DOWN. EVER. Just saying.
Reese def traded down, but I get your point. He rarely did it and DG has never done it.
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More than that but that's the general idea
So, if I’m reading the tea leaves correctly. The deal for Odell was completed with the idea in mind of getting their next franchise QB at that spot, while bolstering the defense at 6. Since then, the possibility of the QB(s) they were targeting appear to be getting selected beforehand. So, they are weighing a potential move up to secure one of the signal callers, or contemplating dealing the #17 for additional defensive player, plus picks (like a trade down) to help build out the defense.
If that is all possibility true, it makes me wonder if they are now reassessing taking the QB at 6, trading #17, while getting a defensive piece, along with additional picks to make up for the loss of a game changer on D at 6.
Am I off?
Pretty sure Odell trade was about landing a freak athlete they love at safety in Bettcher’s defense (rightfully so) + a top 20 pick + a 3rd rounder
Although QB could’ve been a part of the equation. If it’s for a QB
1. NY Giants first rounder
2. Heir apparent to Eli Manning
3. Drafted with pick acquired from trading Odell Beckham
No pressure ...
a Sloter trade makes so much sense ... I would want a bit more (2020 pick) for 17 overall though
A trade with SF would make sense....as they were already discussing a trade for OBJ. 17 is the area the top WR would go....now, what are they offering?
New England would also make sense...with Gronk retiring...they need a top TE, either one or both Iowa TEs might be around, New England have a ton of earlier picks.
His contract is also dirt cheap ... Giants did a ton of work on Rosen last year, no insider has suggested he’s a trade target though
I could see #17 and #95
For
Deforest Buckner, #36 and #67
people, that means a trade down from 17 ...
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
A trade with SF would make sense....as they were already discussing a trade for OBJ. 17 is the area the top WR would go....now, what are they offering?
New England would also make sense...with Gronk retiring...they need a top TE, either one or both Iowa TEs might be around, New England have a ton of earlier picks.
I posted this the other day ...
17 for Buckner, then SF drafts Q Williams. SF gets Williams and a WR like Paris Campbell ... they aren’t going to pay Buckner and Armstead and the #2 pick on the DL
Win/Win for both teams ... Buckner in this scheme would be incredible
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The overall point I'm making is this. The Giants will most likely, one way or another, pick somewhere between 37 and 95
I could see #17 and #95
For
Deforest Buckner, #36 and #67
I would jump for joy in the streets if this happened
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The overall point I'm making is this. The Giants will most likely, one way or another, pick somewhere between 37 and 95
Or trade up from later rounds. Or trade down from 37 and get a player and picks.
people, that means a trade down from 17 ...
He’d be getting a likely starter + other picks ... SF with their DL depth and the fact #2 should be a DL has me hoping Buckner (who was discussed in Odell deal) is in play
Makes sense for both teams ... I’d gladly take Armstead too, but SF would have to throw in higher picks.
Buckner for 17; SF takes Q Williams and Paris Campbell ... do it Lynch!
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
And package later picks for another 3rd and/or move up in the 3rd.
That seems the most reasonable and realistic
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I will play the guessing game. If the qb they want is not there at 17 they will trade pick 17 to the Vikings for their 50th 81st and Kyle Sloter. Vikings will then have the 17th and 18th pick.
a Sloter trade makes so much sense ... I would want a bit more (2020 pick) for 17 overall though
Yea that would be an awful trade. Just awful
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
His quote certainly made it seem this way ... and I was thrilled by it.
Wilkins, Bush/Lawrence/Burns, Risner ... playoff push. Trade midrounder for Sloter, go all in 2020 on Herbert/Fromm and kiss Eli goodnight.
Seems like Remmers is close to done deal as a stopgap RT/Wheeler upgrade pending a physical
Like Grier....or make a ton of BBIers happy and trade for Rosen with one of the extra picks
Because Dave TE mentioned him? Didn’t the Vikings just sign a backup QB? Why do people talk about Sloter like he’s actually someone worth trading for?
Like Grier....or make a ton of BBIers happy and trade for Rosen with one of the extra picks
jt has said repeatedly Rosen is not an option. BBI talks about Kyle Sloter like he’s the next coming of Montana, I just don’t see it.
Because Dave TE mentioned him? Didn’t the Vikings just sign a backup QB? Why do people talk about Sloter like he’s actually someone worth trading for?
F Sloter... DRAFT Grier or the NC State / Auburn kids in the 4th. I would also look at McSorley later.
Even if he was, I doubt the Giants give a 2. I don't know much about him.
The Cards have the 1st pick of 3rd round and Rosen to deal and want a 1st rounder?
Giants are considering QB at 17 or maybe 37.
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I don’t get it.
Because Dave TE mentioned him? Didn’t the Vikings just sign a backup QB? Why do people talk about Sloter like he’s actually someone worth trading for?
F Sloter... DRAFT Grier or the NC State / Auburn kids in the 4th. I would also look at McSorley later.
Great strategy. Just keep drafting QBs in the middle rounds hoping one pans out. I don’t get it. Oh yes I do, welcome to QB Hell.
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Talented edge rusher Frank Clark was franchised by the Seahawks earlier in the offseason, but remains unsigned. The NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported that Clark could be dealt ahead of the draft. The Seahawks have just four draft choices - only two in the top 120 - and they just gave Russell Wilson a record-setting contract, so it makes sense for them to trade Clark. They would likely obtain a second-round pick in return.
Even if he was, I doubt the Giants give a 2. I don't know much about him.
37 overall for this guy is a no brainer. He’s averaged ~ 11 sacks / year over the last 3 seasons and is just entering his
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Instead of feeding into all of this BS, speculation, and rumor.
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
His quote certainly made it seem this way ... and I was thrilled by it.
Wilkins, Bush/Lawrence/Burns, Risner ... playoff push. Trade midrounder for Sloter, go all in 2020 on Herbert/Fromm and kiss Eli goodnight.
Seriously, you guys have to stop the Sloter crap. The only time he's thrown a pass in combat in the last SIX years is ONE season at Northern Colorado. That's NORTHERN FRIGGIN COLORADO. He's got as much value as a perforated condom.
The Cards have the 1st pick of 3rd round and Rosen to deal and want a 1st rounder?
Giants are considering QB at 17 or maybe 37.
🤔
It does make too much sense ... gladly take Rosen over any of these Qb available
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A fit?
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Talented edge rusher Frank Clark was franchised by the Seahawks earlier in the offseason, but remains unsigned. The NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported that Clark could be dealt ahead of the draft. The Seahawks have just four draft choices - only two in the top 120 - and they just gave Russell Wilson a record-setting contract, so it makes sense for them to trade Clark. They would likely obtain a second-round pick in return.
Even if he was, I doubt the Giants give a 2. I don't know much about him.
37 overall for this guy is a no brainer. He’s averaged ~ 11 sacks / year over the last 3 seasons and is just entering his
That sounds great to me but what about scheme fit? Getting a guy like that could certainly open up some interesting possibilities at 6 and 17
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The Gisnts want to trade down from 17 to get an extra 2nd or 3rd AND a player?
The Cards have the 1st pick of 3rd round and Rosen to deal and want a 1st rounder?
Giants are considering QB at 17 or maybe 37.
🤔
It does make too much sense ... gladly take Rosen over any of these Qb available
I know it’s not gonna happen but I would deal for him. Not that deal though.
I would consider #17 and #95
For
Rosen and #33
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
You don't go into the draft saying "I'm going to draft a tackle at 37" That's not how the draft works. That's not how Gettleman drafts...period full stop.
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Instead of feeding into all of this BS, speculation, and rumor.
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
His quote certainly made it seem this way ... and I was thrilled by it.
Wilkins, Bush/Lawrence/Burns, Risner ... playoff push. Trade midrounder for Sloter, go all in 2020 on Herbert/Fromm and kiss Eli goodnight.
Seriously, you guys have to stop the Sloter crap. The only time he's thrown a pass in combat in the last SIX years is ONE season at Northern Colorado. That's NORTHERN FRIGGIN COLORADO. He's got as much value as a perforated condom.
Lol, I just spit out my beer.
He’d be getting a likely starter + other picks ... SF with their DL depth and the fact #2 should be a DL has me hoping Buckner (who was discussed in Odell deal) is in play
Makes sense for both teams ... I’d gladly take Armstead too, but SF would have to throw in higher picks.
Buckner for 17; SF takes Q Williams and Paris Campbell ... do it Lynch!
From what DaveTe is saying SF has become smitten with Quinnen. And maybe Bosas injury stuff is scaring them a little. We know Giants really like Buckner and it seems they are really focused on getting a disruptor and LEAD DOG for the DL. Getts mentioned he wants a lead dog on every level of D but only mentioned Ogletree and Bethea....guess what he left out....
He also has waxed poetic about the culture make over. This will be a DL with strong character as well.
That potentially takes out Oliver and Tillery and possibly Lawrence.
Lead dog DL either super high pick (Wilkins) or a trade for one (Buckner)
What would pick 6 be then? Jones? If its the QB or non DL I fully expect 17 to be the DL pick (either by trading it for a vet or using it for a pick)
If you are likely getting Buckner Id trade down from 6 to 10, 11. Take Bush or Burns and pick up an EXTRA second rounder. THEN trade 17 and 95 for Buckner 36 and 67 like another poster mentioned.
I also see Engram potentially being dangled out there too. Not a great fit in a power football team. If Engram dealt look for AJ Brown, Hakeem Butler.
I think the idea is for multiple picks in the "sweet spot" of a deep draft. Value prop.
I’m not liking that trade at all. Drop 33 slots + 81 and Sloter?
Giants draft J. Allen or M.Sweat, plus Buckner
DG can go get dinner and prepare for Friday with 36,37,67 and 95.
Giants draft J. Allen or M.Sweat, plus Buckner
DG can go get dinner and prepare for Friday with 36,37,67 and 95.
Now I like this one much, much better.
The Giant punt on 1st rd QB...but get one of the best edge at 6, get an instant starter in Buckner
Now, the Giants get 4 picks in Gettlemen proclaimed sweet spot in draft....they might need to throw in one of their 5th.
I don't expect them to be making all those picks. I see them packaging something like 3 of those picks to move up somewhere into the 2nd or 3rd round. A player like Engram also could be moved to accomplish this but I hope they keep him because I see real value in his ability in this offense.
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The overall point I'm making is this. The Giants will most likely, one way or another, pick somewhere between 37 and 95
people, that means a trade down from 17 ...
Which is something that DG has never, ever done.
Look, it's quite possible the Giants are not running a smokescreen. But you can't tell me they can't be running a smokescreen now because they never have and then tell me that DG is going to move down, even though that is something he has never done.
If the premise is that DG can't do something because he has never done it, then he can't be trading down from 17, and we can dismiss that too.
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Instead of feeding into all of this BS, speculation, and rumor.
You heard Gettleman say if they could just have stopped the opposition they'd be 7-1 in the 2ndhalf.
Defense at 6 & 17 RT at 37...period full stop
His quote certainly made it seem this way ... and I was thrilled by it.
Wilkins, Bush/Lawrence/Burns, Risner ... playoff push. Trade midrounder for Sloter, go all in 2020 on Herbert/Fromm and kiss Eli goodnight.
Yea. Playoff push, even though we absolutely suck. Then if we do have that "playoff push", we'll draft Tua or Fromm (neither of whom are guaranteed to be in the draft next year) with our pick between 15-20. Because it's simple to move up from 17 to 2.
You can call me an idiot all you want, but that post lacks basic logic. We are not going to get a top QB prospect next year if we make this so called playoff push people think we are making this season. So stop it.
2. Q
3. Trade down for QB
4. Oliver? This is where Allen could go
5. White
6. Allen- his blitz / coverage ability combination is rare
Then Buckner. That's a big upgrade to the D right there.
2. Q
3. Trade down for QB
4. Oliver? This is where Allen could go
5. White
6. Allen- his blitz / coverage ability combination is rare
Then Buckner. That's a big upgrade to the D right there.
I'd be mildly surprised to see Bosa not in that top 5. I do agree we could see two QBs going prior to 6, but I'd guess Bosa would be the guy at #6, not Allen, in that scenario you've laid out.
That would rule out Deforest Buckner or Arik Armstead.
JT can re-confirm that or indicate something or someone new has risen into the picture.
You wanna speculate, keep track of what's been said.
Agreed. Buckner is a stud and I do not see them moving him plus picks for 17 unless they are 4th - 6th round picks
I have no idea....speculating, trying to fill in the blsnks, but
what I do know...
The Giants and SF already talked about trading Buckner and picks for an elite WR in OBJ......and the 17th spot should be where the "best" wr in draft would be taken.
Which was why I was never totally happy w/the OBJ package. How DG took the lesser of the Browns 2 3rd round picks (I think 80 is the other) when the package was light to begin with,made no sense to me!
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Reddick, #33 and #65
Sloter is a dollar store version of Mike Kafka..
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Reddick, #33 and #65
Under contract through 2020 ... i don’t think he’s much to get excited about, but definitely an option. I’d love those picks in return
I’ve linked his scouting report ... seems like a “moneybacker” candidate
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