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Video of Eli throwing/routes with Saquon and Shep

FranknWeezer : 4/22/2019 12:52 pm
No rush/pads, but appears to have a lot of velocity and of the throws shown, quite accurate.
Eli throwing w/ SB and SS @ David Morris- QB Country - ( New Window )
Defense  
bigfrank612 : 4/22/2019 12:53 pm : link
Defense, DEFENSE!!! Eli till 2030 baby!!!!!
A thread capable of making writers  
battttles : 4/22/2019 12:56 pm : link
at The Onion drool.

My god.
The comments,  
Jay in Toronto : 4/22/2019 12:59 pm : link
just like many on BBI, don't disappoint.
Interesting drill that double throw  
USAF NYG Fan : 4/22/2019 12:59 pm : link
Can we insert that into the game for a play or two. Two chances to get the ball down the field per down.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 1:01 pm : link
He looks good.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 1:02 pm : link
He's throwing the ball hard... looks sharp.
Working out with Jones already?? (that's where he trains as well)  
Andy in Halifax : 4/22/2019 1:03 pm : link
;)
Cool video...  
Leg of Theismann : 4/22/2019 1:03 pm : link
However, one thing I'd like to respond to:

People seem to think that when Eli truly "regresses" that we are going to be able to clearly see it with the naked eye in a video like this. As though one day he's going to throw it and it's just going to come wobbling out and fly 7 yards before falling miserably to the turf. As though he's going to all of a sudden look like the guys in Space Jam after the aliens had secretly stolen their talents.

Speaking of basketball, I remember a Charity Basketball game in my hometown years back that featured former Giants players against our town's firefighters and police officers. This was a solid 5 years after Simms had retired. At one point Simms was inbounding the ball... he palmed the full ball, wound up, and fired it as hard as he good trying to thread the needle to an open Harry Carson in the low post. Man I have never seen a basketball fly that fast in my entire life (not even in NBA games). The ball went right through the window and hit Carson in the hands and flying out of bounds. Simms made some joke about how Carson had butter fingers and he needs to catch that. No doubt he probably threw that ball like that on purpose to show off, but still, it was pretty cool.

You don't think Brett Favre can still throw what looks like a heat-seeking missile when he really wants to? Does that mean he has an NFL-caliber arm? The difference between NFL-level and non-NFL-level arm strength is so miniscule in this game of inches, hence why it's so difficult to know when a player's "time" has come.
Those drills are pretty cool.  
Andy in Halifax : 4/22/2019 1:04 pm : link
Looks like fun, actually.
I really hope he finishes strong  
Go Terps : 4/22/2019 1:05 pm : link
These last 6 years have been such a travesty.
I say we draft him at #6  
ZogZerg : 4/22/2019 1:05 pm : link
;)
glove off hand  
jestersdead : 4/22/2019 1:05 pm : link
can he please stop wearing the glove on his off hand?

I know its stupid but it just annoys me
Hakeem who?  
Andy in Boston : 4/22/2019 1:06 pm : link
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Frankly, he looks  
Dave on the UWS : 4/22/2019 1:07 pm : link
better in that drill than some of the pro days I saw.
They would kick ass in my flag league  
George from PA : 4/22/2019 1:08 pm : link
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My only problem with that clip  
Diver_Down : 4/22/2019 1:10 pm : link
is that Eli should be forced to wear pants at all times. The few cuts where he is wearing shorts, the white balance is skewed and the result is a washed out image. Other than that, he looks good.
RE: I really hope he finishes strong  
GiantGrit : 4/22/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14397608 Go Terps said:
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These last 6 years have been such a travesty.


+1
RE: Frankly, he looks  
crooza172 : 4/22/2019 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14397620 Dave on the UWS said:
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better in that drill than some of the pro days I saw.


No one did those types of drills at their pro day. That was pretty impressive.
Eli looks really sharp  
sshin05 : 4/22/2019 1:23 pm : link
His throws are on point and with a lot of velocity.
RE: Eli looks really sharp  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14397649 sshin05 said:
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His throws are on point and with a lot of velocity.


I'm not sure I saw him throw that hard last year.
Hakeem Nicks making a comeback?  
nyjuggernaut2 : 4/22/2019 1:26 pm : link
?
RE: Hakeem Nicks making a comeback?  
jlukes : 4/22/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14397659 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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He's trying to. Man, I think we'd be talking about the best WR in Giants history if injuries didn't ruin his career
Amazing what a competent  
Bubba : 4/22/2019 1:30 pm : link
QB can do when not running for his life.
Crazy that Nicks is only 31.  
Brown Recluse : 4/22/2019 1:34 pm : link
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Pressure  
Thegratefulhead : 4/22/2019 1:50 pm : link
Nothing wrong with his arm. I have not seen a drop off at all. It is how fast he processes information under pressure now. I think he is a half second slower from the moment he decides where he is going with the ball to his body actually doing what he wants. That half second is an eternity.

Please stop drooling over this. If Eli can't crush these drills after an entire career of doing them he should be put out to stud. PS I would look exceptional doing this drill today. I am over 50 and out of shape.

That said, if we add a RT and the line stays healthy, he will get to stand back there and have an excellent season. He isn't the guy in SF in 2011 NFC playoffs anymore. He doesn't have to be if we protect him.
Remember the Davis Webb  
The Dude : 4/22/2019 1:52 pm : link
vids last year around this time
was Nicks in that video?  
ron mexico : 4/22/2019 1:52 pm : link
why are you guys talking about him, I'm confused...
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 1:53 pm : link

Mike Garafolo
‏Verified account @MikeGarafolo
26m26 minutes ago

Mike Garafolo Retweeted Art Stapleton

The Hakeem in this video is former #Giants first-round pick Hakeem Nicks. He has been running routes for Eli Manning as he tries to get back into the league.
RE: I really hope he finishes strong  
eric2425ny : 4/22/2019 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14397608 Go Terps said:
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These last 6 years have been such a travesty.


+ 1 million
He  
AcidTest : 4/22/2019 1:55 pm : link
looks very good.
Im a big Eli supporter  
wonderback : 4/22/2019 2:00 pm : link
But does this video remind anyone else of Uncle Rico?
RE: Im a big Eli supporter  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14397720 wonderback said:
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But does this video remind anyone else of Uncle Rico?


Nah, Uncle Rico could throw it over mountains. Eli also has terrible accuracy when throwing steaks.
RE: Pressure  
dorgan : 4/22/2019 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14397701 Thegratefulhead said:
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PS I would look exceptional doing this drill today. I am over 50 and out of shape.




Sure, we believe you.

RE: RE: Pressure  
Thegratefulhead : 4/22/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14397742 dorgan said:
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In comment 14397701 Thegratefulhead said:


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PS I would look exceptional doing this drill today. I am over 50 and out of shape.






Sure, we believe you.
Throwing against air is as easy as it gets.
Video doesn't mean anything,  
Everyone Relax : 4/22/2019 2:28 pm : link
but pretty impressive the work he still puts in. He looks good but I'm sure Jimmy Clausen would too if you put him out there.
RE: Video doesn't mean anything,  
Thegratefulhead : 4/22/2019 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14397778 Everyone Relax said:
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but pretty impressive the work he still puts in. He looks good but I'm sure Jimmy Clausen would too if you put him out there.
That's my point. Also, those are HIGHLIGHTS from a PRACTICE against AIR.
Literally all throws are against air  
Bill L : 4/22/2019 2:31 pm : link
It's pretty much in the definition of "throw".
Dorgan  
Thegratefulhead : 4/22/2019 2:32 pm : link
I have sneaking suspicion we knew each other at one time. Where did you grow up? I grew up in Brick NJ.
Looks Good  
Rong5611 : 4/22/2019 2:36 pm : link
Yeah, he can't make the throws anymore (lol).

He looks good. Granted it is not quite an active NFL environment. But, he has some zip on the ball for sure. And, he's accurate.
RE: Literally all throws are against air  
Thegratefulhead : 4/22/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14397786 Bill L said:
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It's pretty much in the definition of "throw".
Really, you're that going to be that obtuse? You didn't understand that he was facing no pressure and the receivers had no one covering them or impeding their progress? You have not heard the expression "Against Air" before?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 2:37 pm : link
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but regardless of whether or not these are just passing drills, he's ripping it.

Compare that with some of the Pro Days we just saw.
RE: Pressure  
FranknWeezer : 4/22/2019 2:37 pm : link
In comment 14397701 Thegratefulhead said:
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Nothing wrong with his arm. I have not seen a drop off at all. It is how fast he processes information under pressure now. I think he is a half second slower from the moment he decides where he is going with the ball to his body actually doing what he wants. That half second is an eternity.

Please stop drooling over this. If Eli can't crush these drills after an entire career of doing them he should be put out to stud. PS I would look exceptional doing this drill today. I am over 50 and out of shape.

That said, if we add a RT and the line stays healthy, he will get to stand back there and have an excellent season. He isn't the guy in SF in 2011 NFC playoffs anymore. He doesn't have to be if we protect him.


You lose all credibility claiming you would look exceptional running these drills, in order to crap on Eli. Maybe try the Giants.com message board?
RE: I really hope he finishes strong  
mattlawson : 4/22/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14397608 Go Terps said:
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These last 6 years have been such a travesty.


100% - get em to eat a big ol shit burger
RE: ...  
Everyone Relax : 4/22/2019 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14397799 Eric from BBI said:
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Perhaps I'm in the minority, but regardless of whether or not these are just passing drills, he's ripping it.

Compare that with some of the Pro Days we just saw.


Definitely not disputing that, I just find it hard to believe his arm strength has somehow gotten better. Does that ever happen? I'm a big Eli fan so hoping he can prove us all wrong.
Everyone Relax  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 2:43 pm : link
Maybe not stronger, but rebounding?

Note his deep out throws in the video. Those are the throws that separate QBs.
RE: Pressure  
Southern Man : 4/22/2019 2:49 pm : link
Please stop drooling over this. If Eli can't crush these drills after an entire career of doing them he should be put out to stud. PS I would look exceptional doing this drill today. I am over 50 and out of shape.

I think not...and you'd no doubt look foolish trying. If you want to post a personal video, just try that 40 yard out. Say what you want about him, but that video is clear proof of the difference between a professional athlete and a civilian.
RE: ...  
Thegratefulhead : 4/22/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14397799 Eric from BBI said:
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Perhaps I'm in the minority, but regardless of whether or not these are just passing drills, he's ripping it.

Compare that with some of the Pro Days we just saw.
He is, because Eli has a big arm, always had it. I remember an Eli/Engram practice video from last year that looked equally as good. Eli's arm vs Jones is joke. It's why I don't buy the comparison. When Eli can set and doesn't have to throw off his back because of pressure he has a cannon. He used to be able to drive the ball off his back foot better than he does now. That is the only scenario I have noticed anything with his arm.
RE: RE: Pressure  
Thegratefulhead : 4/22/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14397818 Southern Man said:
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Please stop drooling over this. If Eli can't crush these drills after an entire career of doing them he should be put out to stud. PS I would look exceptional doing this drill today. I am over 50 and out of shape.

I think not...and you'd no doubt look foolish trying. If you want to post a personal video, just try that 40 yard out. Say what you want about him, but that video is clear proof of the difference between a professional athlete and a civilian.
Really, you think I am going to post a video of myself, on this board, so the monsters can attack me personally for my appearance without them sharing their own? Please. I threw with a college QB just 2 years ago and I still had more arm than he did. At that point I had only lost 5 yards on my deep ball. It was still 60 yds and I can hum it for about 35-40. I threw with Randle C. in Las Vegas in college, his arm was a smidgen stronger than mine. I love to throw, I never feel more alive than when I have a football in my hands.
We should draft him. Oh wait. We already did!  
Ira : 4/22/2019 3:08 pm : link
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RE: Pressure  
GothamGiants : 4/22/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14397701 Thegratefulhead said:
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Nothing wrong with his arm. I have not seen a drop off at all. It is how fast he processes information under pressure now. I think he is a half second slower from the moment he decides where he is going with the ball to his body actually doing what he wants. That half second is an eternity.

Please stop drooling over this. If Eli can't crush these drills after an entire career of doing them he should be put out to stud. PS I would look exceptional doing this drill today. I am over 50 and out of shape.

That said, if we add a RT and the line stays healthy, he will get to stand back there and have an excellent season. He isn't the guy in SF in 2011 NFC playoffs anymore. He doesn't have to be if we protect him.


Pretty sure hes become a little shellshocked by the protection provided from such disgraceful bookends like Flowers/Hart/Wheeler

I know they are gone, but people have forgotten just how mindblowingly terrible that OT tandem was. Absolutely awful - no QB was looking good behind them.
RE: RE: Im a big Eli supporter  
wonderback : 4/22/2019 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14397727 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14397720 wonderback said:


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But does this video remind anyone else of Uncle Rico?




Nah, Uncle Rico could throw it over mountains. Eli also has terrible accuracy when throwing steaks.


LOL!
RE: RE: Pressure  
wonderback : 4/22/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14397840 GothamGiants said:
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In comment 14397701 Thegratefulhead said:


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Nothing wrong with his arm. I have not seen a drop off at all. It is how fast he processes information under pressure now. I think he is a half second slower from the moment he decides where he is going with the ball to his body actually doing what he wants. That half second is an eternity.

Please stop drooling over this. If Eli can't crush these drills after an entire career of doing them he should be put out to stud. PS I would look exceptional doing this drill today. I am over 50 and out of shape.

That said, if we add a RT and the line stays healthy, he will get to stand back there and have an excellent season. He isn't the guy in SF in 2011 NFC playoffs anymore. He doesn't have to be if we protect him.


+1000



Pretty sure hes become a little shellshocked by the protection provided from such disgraceful bookends like Flowers/Hart/Wheeler

I know they are gone, but people have forgotten just how mindblowingly terrible that OT tandem was. Absolutely awful - no QB was looking good behind them.
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 4/22/2019 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14397799 Eric from BBI said:
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Perhaps I'm in the minority, but regardless of whether or not these are just passing drills, he's ripping it.

Compare that with some of the Pro Days we just saw.


Well, now you know why I'm down on your boy Daniel Jones.

A 38 year old Eli throws the ball like Elways compared to the school-zone throwing Jones.
Eric got the point I was trying to make  
Dave on the UWS : 4/22/2019 3:27 pm : link
As Gettleman said he can still make all the throws. A video like this makes that point. If need be, buys them some time. ALL those throws had good zip and were pinpoint. As a means for comparison, Simms and his brother couldnt do this at 38. Im a fan, but it Impressed me!
guys watch it again  
Dave on the UWS : 4/22/2019 3:32 pm : link
the arm is still there, so is the accuracy. BW has a point. I want my QB to look like this. Thats why I liked Rosen last year and Haskins this year. I have BIG TIME doubts that Jones can make all those throws.
RE: ...  
micky : 4/22/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14397597 Eric from BBI said:
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He looks good.


Anybody can look goid..no pass rusher and real bullets fly
Whoa he looks really good  
BBelle21 : 4/22/2019 4:06 pm : link
And it feels like theres a little extra zip there, in the passes but also his body. Cmon Eli, win a SB for your son and shut up all these Aholes in the fanbase and media. They all look sharper and in synch. Hope this is a great season. I want Eli to go out on top like Strahan did.
LOL!  
BBelle21 : 4/22/2019 4:08 pm : link
If the video showed Eli looking a step behind, these same critics would act like this video means everything. Eli looks great so hes just throwing against air.
How many seasons has Eli been in the NFL now?  
Motley Two : 4/22/2019 4:23 pm : link
He's still trying to throw against the air? Is he ever gonna try throwing with the air?
Does  
mittenedman : 4/22/2019 4:34 pm : link
anyone else find it interesting Hakeem Nicks is trying to come back?

Giants need a big WR.
Throwing at Tatlock Field in Summit  
BurberryManning : 4/22/2019 4:39 pm : link
I guess that bumps me down further in terms of the best athletes to play there
RE: glove off hand  
Moondawg : 4/22/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14397611 jestersdead said:
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can he please stop wearing the glove on his off hand?

I know its stupid but it just annoys me


I like it. Here is the one he wore in SB 42. It's in the Legacy Room at Metlife.

micky  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 5:02 pm : link
Perhaps.

But can Lauletta wing the ball like that? Can Daniel Jones?
RE: Does  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14397965 mittenedman said:
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anyone else find it interesting Hakeem Nicks is trying to come back?

Giants need a big WR.


I do. I am surprised that hasn't created more of a reaction.
RE: RE: Does  
USAF NYG Fan : 4/22/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14398016 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14397965 mittenedman said:


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anyone else find it interesting Hakeem Nicks is trying to come back?

Giants need a big WR.



I do. I am surprised that hasn't created more of a reaction.

I don't know about a Hakeem Nicks comeback but I agree with you on how hard he appears to be throwing the ball. I hear a lot of wind in the background. Despite the wind and occasional music I also heard the ball slapping receivers hands no matter how far they were downfield. Sounded real good too.
This is the problem for the draft a QB crowd.  
George from PA : 4/22/2019 6:22 pm : link
Eli can still play, with a decent pocket protection.

Would sign an extension, probably a team friendly extension.

DG and PS must win sooner, than later.

Why would they spend a premium pick on a QB?

PS. Sign me up for Hakeem Nick pt. 2....no harm, no foul.
I think people...  
Strip-Sack : 4/22/2019 6:29 pm : link
are going to be surprises with Eli's play this year with a decent to very good Line and year 2 in Shurmers system.
Decline.  
Britt in VA : 4/22/2019 6:35 pm : link
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Washed up, done, finished, finito.  
Britt in VA : 4/22/2019 6:36 pm : link
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and honestly, that isn't meant to incite anybody.  
Britt in VA : 4/22/2019 6:48 pm : link
Those are just words that have been used by posters here for two years now definitively to describe Manning.

Yeah, he's 38, but I think the physical decline stuff is overstated.

So now it's shifted to "mental" decline. Sorry, 38 year olds don't experience mental decline. Especially 15 year vets.

Protect him and he will deliver.
RE: I think people...  
GothamGiants : 4/22/2019 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14398140 Strip-Sack said:
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are going to be surprises with Eli's play this year with a decent to very good Line and year 2 in Shurmers system.


I honestly think the playoffs are a legit possibility if they can come away with 2 too 20 defensive prospects and land a guy like Risner in round 2

I look forward to Eli shutting people up - Zietler was a huge addition. Eli just might have a pocket to throw from consistently ... something every QB needs
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christian : 4/22/2019 6:58 pm : link
I don't think any serious posters claim Manning will one day turn into Mark Sanchez. Unless there is a big time injury, that's not how declines go at QB.

What usually goes is the reaction time when reading the defense, the confidence in the pocket, the mobility, the ability to make all the throws in game-time situations.

I've never doubted Manning could function as a league average QB this season, it's whether he can 1) up his game to lift an under-talented team 2) keep it up a few years as the roster improves.
RE: This is the problem for the draft a QB crowd.  
Nine-Tails : 4/22/2019 7:03 pm : link
In comment 14398134 George from PA said:
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Eli can still play, with a decent pocket protection.

Would sign an extension, probably a team friendly extension.

DG and PS must win sooner, than later.

Why would they spend a premium pick on a QB?

PS. Sign me up for Hakeem Nick pt. 2....no harm, no foul.


Hakeem Nicks part 3, you're forgetting he played in 2015. Also, you think Eli would sign a team friendly extension,lol at that. Each time he resigned he became the highest paid quarterback.
RE: ...  
Strip-Sack : 4/22/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14398178 christian said:
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I don't think any serious posters claim Manning will one day turn into Mark Sanchez. Unless there is a big time injury, that's not how declines go at QB.

What usually goes is the reaction time when reading the defense, the confidence in the pocket, the mobility, the ability to make all the throws in game-time situations.

I've never doubted Manning could function as a league average QB this season, it's whether he can 1) up his game to lift an under-talented team 2) keep it up a few years as the roster improves.


He needs to recalibrate his internal clock after years of constant jail breaks. IMO, he hasn't declined all that much physically but his mental processing has been affected from the constantly rotating severely underwhelming Olines.
RE: We should draft him. Oh wait. We already did!  
Scyber : 4/22/2019 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14397836 Ira said:
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No they didn't ;)
RE: This is the problem for the draft a QB crowd.  
Diver_Down : 4/22/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14398134 George from PA said:
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Eli can still play, with a decent pocket protection.

Would sign an extension, probably a team friendly extension.

DG and PS must win sooner, than later.

Why would they spend a premium pick on a QB?

PS. Sign me up for Hakeem Nick pt. 2....no harm, no foul.


It would be part 3. He signed after Indy stint.
The video is awesome  
Emil : 4/22/2019 7:50 pm : link
But I really cant believe that the Hakeem Nicks sighting hasnt created more buzz.

My eyebrow is raised in curiosity.
Did Eli get rid of McAdoos tinkering  
BBelle21 : 4/22/2019 7:55 pm : link
with his footwork? He looks so natural there again. Hated how McAdoo (Reese and Ross for that matter) messed with his footwork.
I think it's absolutely hilarious....  
Tesla : 4/22/2019 8:04 pm : link
that anyone would put any stock at all into this video. If you want to see what Eli has left, just go watch the 16 games he played last year, or the year before and draw your conclusions from that, either good or bad. How he throws the ball in his shorts is nothing compared to how he plays when the live bullets fly.

Remember when David Webb was posting similar videos on Twitter??? It doesn't mean anything.
Eric  
BigBlueCane : 4/22/2019 8:30 pm : link
shouldn't the question be, Would Jones be asked to do that in this offense?
Haskins would have needed oxygen  
montanagiant : 4/22/2019 8:33 pm : link
After that
I'm in the 'I think we should have moved on from Eli,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2019 8:34 pm : link
but it's apparent the FO still think he has some game left so I hope Eli goes out there & tells all his critics/doubters, myself included, to STFU' camp.

I hope he does. I'll gladly eat crow.
RE: Haskins would have needed oxygen  
Diver_Down : 4/22/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14398355 montanagiant said:
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After that


And a buffet...
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14398350 BigBlueCane said:
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shouldn't the question be, Would Jones be asked to do that in this offense?


If you can't make all of the throws, it limits you. Can Jones make all of the throws? I don't know. He can rainbow it deep, but can he fire that deep out. If he can't, the CB's don't have to cover the intermediate sideline.
RE: RE: ...  
FrankieR : 4/22/2019 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14398187 Strip-Sack said:
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In comment 14398178 christian said:


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I don't think any serious posters claim Manning will one day turn into Mark Sanchez. Unless there is a big time injury, that's not how declines go at QB.

What usually goes is the reaction time when reading the defense, the confidence in the pocket, the mobility, the ability to make all the throws in game-time situations.

I've never doubted Manning could function as a league average QB this season, it's whether he can 1) up his game to lift an under-talented team 2) keep it up a few years as the roster improves.



He needs to recalibrate his internal clock after years of constant jail breaks. IMO, he hasn't declined all that much physically but his mental processing has been affected from the constantly rotating severely underwhelming Olines.



Excellent point
RE: The video is awesome  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14398278 Emil said:
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But I really cant believe that the Hakeem Nicks sighting hasnt created more buzz.

My eyebrow is raised in curiosity.


Me too. How cool a comeback story would that be?
Eric-  
Sean : 4/22/2019 8:40 pm : link
Do you like any of these QBs this year?
RE: RE: Eric  
arcarsenal : 4/22/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14398370 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14398350 BigBlueCane said:


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shouldn't the question be, Would Jones be asked to do that in this offense?



If you can't make all of the throws, it limits you. Can Jones make all of the throws? I don't know. He can rainbow it deep, but can he fire that deep out. If he can't, the CB's don't have to cover the intermediate sideline.


I haven't seen him get the ball to the sidelines with enough zip - I think it will be a problem for him in the NFL. DB's are going to be able to sit on inside leverage if they're not worried about the ball getting across the field quick enough.

Jones doesn't have a weak arm, but I just don't see a whole lot of him really driving the ball the way I've seen Murray, Haskins, and Lock do it - and I worry that the extra air under his deep ball is going to allow for far more contests by faster NFL DB's.
Nicks has to be what, 32? 33?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2019 8:41 pm : link
I loved him as a Giant & appreciate all he did here, but the odds are really long he'll get back in this league. I hope I'm wrong.
He's 31 I believe.  
Britt in VA : 4/22/2019 8:42 pm : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14398377 Sean said:
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Do you like any of these QBs this year?


Sean, I'm probably the last guy you want to ask about collegiate QBs. Hell, I remember when I thought Akili Smith was going to be good.

That said, a 5'10 QB scares the hell out of me (but damn, he is a stud athlete).

I don't see it with Jones but I understand the attractiveness of a guy who plays smart and makes the right decisions.

Haskins did look a little winded at his Pro Day, but he probably intrigues me the most. I love the way he carries himself and he can rip it. But he's only played 14 games (like Murray).

BTW- at the 1:00 mark  
Leg of Theismann : 4/22/2019 8:53 pm : link
You see basically the exact play Eli and Tyree scored on in SB 42 to take the lead 10-7 with 11:05 remaining in the game, and I think it's from the same spot on the field (5 yard line).

Joe Buck: "Play-action... Manning, over the MIDDLE... Touchdown, Giants. David Tyree."

Only difference is on this particular throw he put it a little too high. In the SB he put it right on the numbers in stride. Thing of beauty.
RE: Everyone Relax  
Leg of Theismann : 4/22/2019 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14397813 Eric from BBI said:
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Maybe not stronger, but rebounding?

Note his deep out throws in the video. Those are the throws that separate QBs.


Eric,

What would he be "rebounding" from? You mean an undisclosed injury? Or just general old age (how do you rebound from old age, though?)? Or did he for some reason slack off the last few years and now he's "working his ass off" again?

I feel like you and a lot of other people are over-analyzing this video. 1) The thing is clearly edited to show his best throws and 2) I'm not sure why you think you'd be able to the difference in ball velocity between these close-up camera angles and the long-view shots of the field in a game. If a QB were to improve his velocity it could not be by more than a few mph, and do you really think you would be able to tell that difference in a video like this compared to the camera angles when watching a game on FOX?

To give you a comparison, this would be like watching OBJ's edited workout vids he posted on Instagram last off season and saying "Yup, I can tell, he hasn't lost a step! If anything he's faster and more agile than he was before! And when he runs there's a lot more rap music playing than I remember." But then the season starts and you're like, oh wait, no he's slightly lost a step since before the injury.
Leg  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 9:04 pm : link
I don't know. Maybe he's working on his arm strength more.

All I can tell you is I haven't seen him whiz the ball around like that in a while (and yes, some of his Duke passing drill videos have been posted on BBI before).
Its a one minute highlight video  
hitdog42 : 4/22/2019 9:09 pm : link
Of a professional pocket passing future hall of fame qb doing a workout vs no defense? Did we expect him to look shitty?
RE: Its a one minute highlight video  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2019 9:11 pm : link
In comment 14398450 hitdog42 said:
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Of a professional pocket passing future hall of fame qb doing a workout vs no defense? Did we expect him to look shitty?


I'm probably reading too much into it, but again, I love the way he is firing the football in that video, especially the sideline routes.
no, but the velocity  
islander1 : 4/22/2019 9:11 pm : link
is that of a young man in his prime.
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hitdog42 : 4/22/2019 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14398454 Eric from BBI said:
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Of a professional pocket passing future hall of fame qb doing a workout vs no defense? Did we expect him to look shitty?



I'm probably reading too much into it, but again, I love the way he is firing the football in that video, especially the sideline routes.


So do I but its a highlight video - the test for Eli is if a decent line and run game allows him to remove the David Carr syndrome hes been acquiring since 2013- if he can do that we will have a solid offense next year
RE: Leg  
Leg of Theismann : 4/22/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14398443 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't know. Maybe he's working on his arm strength more.

All I can tell you is I haven't seen him whiz the ball around like that in a while (and yes, some of his Duke passing drill videos have been posted on BBI before).


Eric, fair enough, if you comparing to his Duke passing drill videos then you could say that's a good reference point for this type of video.

I will say though there's something about this editing though that makes all of the players look like are moving a little faster though. I'm not sure exactly what that is.
All the throws  
Jay in Toronto : 4/22/2019 10:09 pm : link
Has he learned how to make that little flare pass to the RB?

He may never, but I would be happy if he can make all the other ones as in his days of yore.
RE: Its a one minute highlight video  
bw in dc : 4/22/2019 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14398450 hitdog42 said:
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Of a professional pocket passing future hall of fame qb doing a workout vs no defense? Did we expect him to look shitty?


And it looks like Eli's mostly downwind. ;)
RE: Washed up, done, finished, finito.  
Tesla : 4/23/2019 8:12 am : link
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2018 Revenge Tour.
Look to be a lot of high throws  
Jimmy Googs : 4/23/2019 8:31 am : link
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/23/2019 8:38 am : link
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are going to be surprises with Eli's play this year with a decent to very good Line and year 2 in Shurmers system.



I honestly think the playoffs are a legit possibility if they can come away with 2 too 20 defensive prospects and land a guy like Risner in round 2

I look forward to Eli shutting people up - Zietler was a huge addition. Eli just might have a pocket to throw from consistently ... something every QB needs


We still need some sort of a center and a RT. The line isn't completely rebuilt at this point.

It's the same shit we have seen for the past 4 years. We have some pieces, but the whole o-line is still missing pieces that need to be addressed.
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Klaatu : 4/23/2019 8:40 am : link
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What else is new?
RE: RE: Washed up, done, finished, finito.  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 9:14 am : link
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2018 Revenge Tour.


Yeah? Who is still QB of the New York Giants?
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