Really good article from The Ringer today. I know Gettleman has been trashed by many in the media for not having a cohesive plan in place. But maybe he does, even if most don't agree with it. The Ringer - ( New Window )
No more finesse “basketball on grass” nonsense, no more locker room drama, and getting back to being a physical run-first team.
The OL has been upgraded significantly since he’s taken over and it’s pretty clear he’s intent on getting Bettcher “his players” on defense that actually fit the scheme. Trading Vernon for Zietler was a great move, for so many reasons.
His 2018 draft class is looking like the best we’ve seen in years and I love the direction this team is heading.
Takes some time to undue Reese’s shitshow, but he’s on the right track.
I think that's part of the issue they had with drafting a RB at #2 overall last yr in what was considered by many to be one of the best QB classes in a long time.
If it were OL + DL + RB = championship then that move would have made more sense. But as the article stated, if he really didn't believe in any of the QB's then passing on them is the smart move.
My personal biggest concern (and take this with a grain of salt) is that Gettleman really believed that "Eli had years left" and could still win a championship. If he really believed that (and made the decision at #2 b/c of it) then his QB evaluation skills are scary.
No more finesse “basketball on grass” nonsense, no more locker room drama, and getting back to being a physical run-first team.
The OL has been upgraded significantly since he’s taken over and it’s pretty clear he’s intent on getting Bettcher “his players” on defense that actually fit the scheme. Trading Vernon for Zietler was a great move, for so many reasons.
couldn't agree more. Don't ever forget the JPP of TEs
His 2018 draft class is looking like the best we’ve seen in years and I love the direction this team is heading.
Takes some time to undue Reese’s shitshow, but he’s on the right track.
to support a young QB. Run the ball, Stop the run, and Rush the quarterback. I think DG is going against the grain, as far as how offenses and defenses play now. This may be an advantage, as defenses these days are geared towards stop pass oriented offenses.
I think that's part of the issue they had with drafting a RB at #2 overall last yr in what was considered by many to be one of the best QB classes in a long time.
If it were OL + DL + RB = championship then that move would have made more sense. But as the article stated, if he really didn't believe in any of the QB's then passing on them is the smart move.
My personal biggest concern (and take this with a grain of salt) is that Gettleman really believed that "Eli had years left" and could still win a championship. If he really believed that (and made the decision at #2 b/c of it) then his QB evaluation skills are scary.
Agreed with this. That said, after this draft, the sample size will be larger re: draft picks and it may make more sense. Seems likely we'll go with QB/OL/Front 7 with the first few picks of the draft this year.
but whether the plan is sound in 2019 with all the rule and playcalling changes that have impacted the game, whether the plan is harmonized with Shurmur and Betcher's playbooks or and whether the plan will be executed in the right way through sourcing the right talent remains to be seen.
a plan's success is measured by objective data, which in the NFL is your overall record. DG's plan is currently 5-11. we'll see in 3, 5 or 10 years whether that's turned around. You can only blame Reese for so long before he needs to accept responsibility.
when people question whether the Giants have a "plan", a big part of that is what they are planning to do to transition the most important position on the field and succeed Eli. perhaps we get our answer in three days.
I am not pro or anti Gettleman. Like everyone else I comment on individual moves, but the success or failure of his tenure will be based on a picture that starts to form after 3 or so seasons. All I care is that he succeeds during that period when the most important judgment will take place, but the flak he takes from the print media and the talking heads that basically are a bunch of keyboard warriors with no experience in running an NFL team is just too much for me to take. Even if I was not a Giants fan, I kinda want to pull for him to shove it down these "know it all" throats.
If anything, trading Beckham finally made me see a plan.
I look forward to Peppers showing how good he is in this scheme ... he gets talked about like he’s some throw in scrub - when in reality he was a key reason for the trade happening
I loved the move, and think Peppers will thrive as a bigger / more athletic HoneyBadger for Bettcher
The guy doesn’t cut an established starting vet qb Â
And doesn’t draft a good looking qb at the espwnse of an insanely great looking player in Barkley and we have to ask if the guy has a plan? The fuck is wrong with people. He’s turned over virtually the entire team in one calendar year! He’s accrued the most draft picks in a deep draft.
I don’t get it. One entity hasn’t been swapped out for a young kid and fans turn into fucking morons. One! And at what cost are we supposed to cut the qb??? For whom? Teddy fucking bridgewater?
This wasn’t a shot at the op or linked article. Just my daily rant in lieu of said linked article... I think.
Since Gettleman didn’t take a QB last year (even if God was available) he must be a clueless putz with no plan. That’s the media narrative (and a good part of this site) every damn day! From day one, he had emphasized building the lines, and acknowledging that Eli can’t play forever and he needs to get a successor in the building “sooner than later”. How much clearer does he need to be? Oh and his top picks (other than Saquon who was a unique case), he drafter 1 OL, 2 DL and 1 Edge/OLB. He’s pretty transparent.
but whether the plan is sound in 2019 with all the rule and playcalling changes that have impacted the game, whether the plan is harmonized with Shurmur and Betcher's playbooks or and whether the plan will be executed in the right way through sourcing the right talent remains to be seen.
a plan's success is measured by objective data, which in the NFL is your overall record. DG's plan is currently 5-11. we'll see in 3, 5 or 10 years whether that's turned around. You can only blame Reese for so long before he needs to accept responsibility.
when people question whether the Giants have a "plan", a big part of that is what they are planning to do to transition the most important position on the field and succeed Eli. perhaps we get our answer in three days.
I agree. I believe there would be less "plan" questions had he selected Darnold last year. Did he pick a great player last year in Saquon? Absolutely no question about it. For a team that had (and still has) all the needs that the Giants did, was it a great draft pick? I don't think so. In other words, I don't think it was the best usage of the #2 pick.
What are the keys to building a great team? Most would say QB, pass rusher, OL, and CB. For a team that sucked, picking an RB at #2 seemed like quite a misguided luxury. Darnold, Q. Nelson or B. Chubb would seem like better usage of the #2 pick in terms of the positions where you need premier players and the laws of supply and demand. You can find an RB you can win with in any draft even on day 2. Will you find another Saquon? No, but you don't need a "gold jacket" guy at that position.
Of “getting away from basketball on grass” or “hog mollies” or “ground and pound” despite the fact that the winning teams pass more and pass more efficiently is troubling.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
Anyone with any common sense can see DG has a plan and what it is Â
Especially since he's said it over and over again.
Run the ball
Stop the Run
Get to the QB
Change the culture in the locker room
Did all these meat head reporters miss all those pressers? There is no secret to his approach. Every move he has made has revolved around these principles.
Of “getting away from basketball on grass” or “hog mollies” or “ground and pound” despite the fact that the winning teams pass more and pass more efficiently is troubling.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Have you not seen us get blown of the ball on both sides of the line for the last 6 seasons?
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
Of “getting away from basketball on grass” or “hog mollies” or “ground and pound” despite the fact that the winning teams pass more and pass more efficiently is troubling.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
Or maybe like the Pats offense when they mowed down Rams with their running game in the Super Bowl. The Rams (and many others) are building teams to stop the pass, not stop the run. The Pats are going the other way and so are the Giants.
The Giants have been an absolute circus the past few years. Out of the playoff race by October. The only reason they were being discussed was guys like Odell, Landon and Eli Apple grabbing headlines for all of the wrong reasons.
Many think Dave Gettleman was hired because he was a friend of John's and would go along with status quo. I actually believe its the opposite. John Mara hired Dave Gettleman because he knew success had followed him everywhere he went, meaning his success was not defined by his Giants tenure. While he fully trusted Gettleman, he knew Dave's #1 priority is building a winning football team. So when Dave Gettleman has to tell John Mara something he doesn't want to hear, i imagine he does so albeit reluctantly.
The Giants have a plan, but its not rosy. The Giants want the exact kind of locker room the Patriots have had for years. No leaks, no anonymous sources talking to the press, absolutely no bullshit anymore. Come in to work and grind. The Giants lost control of the work environment they wanted, and that's largely on them for not setting Odell straight from the start. But it reached a point where being partially culpable had to take a back burner to making a decision on what kind of culture and environment they wanted here.
And that is not to say Odell can't go to a team with a strong foundation in place and be kept in line when he starts to stray. He is not a bad person either. But the foundation was not in place here. It had rotted out. And when expectations are not clear from the start and you suddenly change the rules, it is near impossible for the process to go smoothly.
They want a non-flashy, highly technical team that emphasizes doing the basic things right ad nauseum. They want to pound teams into the ground, and they want a blue collar defense who makes you tap out by the third quarter.
Will they accomplish their goals? Well, i believe the culture and locker room they have envisioned is now in place, but they obviously need more talent. Shurmur needs to keep improving as a head coach. But for the first time in a long time, the Giants at least have a vision of what they want to be.
RE: The national media narrative is way over the top.. Â
If anything, trading Beckham finally made me see a plan.
I kind of fall in with you. I still am skeptical of how they've proceeded forward with Eli (to me its either poor asset allocation or a complete absence of it), but Gettleman has otherwise had a good offseason so far. It's a relief, because I thought his 2018 was terrible. We'll see how the draft goes...picking a QB in the first round would be a mistake - if we're committing to Eli then let's surround him with players that will play.
If the approach is to build strong lines an a strong running game, I'm curious as to whether Gettleman may be onto something by zigging while the league is zagging.
Of “getting away from basketball on grass” or “hog mollies” or “ground and pound” despite the fact that the winning teams pass more and pass more efficiently is troubling.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
a very top heavy roster. Slowly , but surely he's been trimming the large cap hits (Vernon, Beckham, Snacks) and spreading the cap dollars more efficiently. Next year, I expect Jenkins and Ogletree to be released or offered a pay cut. Eli's contract will expire as well.
You can argue about timing and proper compensation, but you can see how he's going about business.
Of “getting away from basketball on grass” or “hog mollies” or “ground and pound” despite the fact that the winning teams pass more and pass more efficiently is troubling.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
Or maybe like the Pats offense when they mowed down Rams with their running game in the Super Bowl. The Rams (and many others) are building teams to stop the pass, not stop the run. The Pats are going the other way and so are the Giants.
That’s not true at all. The Patriots passed the ball as much as the Rams did. They ran the ball more because they had a lead. Two of the patriots four highest paid players are defensive backs.
They’ve traded for Brandin Cooks and Josh’s Gordon for what reason?
And please stop comparing teams to how the Patriots run things. Nobody can emulate it.
Of “getting away from basketball on grass” or “hog mollies” or “ground and pound” despite the fact that the winning teams pass more and pass more efficiently is troubling.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
You’d like them to fall in lone with what the league is doing, and how teams are stocking up on defense to defend the quick striking offense. Not sure why. Trends are broken all the time, and I’d rather be ahead of the curve than try to copy it when it may soon be out dated.
Controlling the clock and forcing your opponent into 3rd and long is a good thing no matter what era of football you are in. It also makes it much easier for a new QB to come in an excel.
It’s foolish to think you’ve got the league figured out and that it won’t change.
RE: The guy doesn’t cut an established starting vet qb Â
And doesn’t draft a good looking qb at the espwnse of an insanely great looking player in Barkley and we have to ask if the guy has a plan? The fuck is wrong with people. He’s turned over virtually the entire team in one calendar year! He’s accrued the most draft picks in a deep draft.
I don’t get it. One entity hasn’t been swapped out for a young kid and fans turn into fucking morons. One! And at what cost are we supposed to cut the qb??? For whom? Teddy fucking bridgewater?
This wasn’t a shot at the op or linked article. Just my daily rant in lieu of said linked article... I think.
Enough with the most draft picks nonsense. 8 of the 12 picks are on day 3. Half of our picks are in rounds 5, 6, and 7. I get that this draft is deep, but odds are that we'll see one - maybe two - legitimate players emerge from those day 3 picks.
Beyond that, there's also a point where you can't go around claiming that flipping the dollars in your pocket into brand new lottery tickets is some sort of sound investment strategy. There's an element of addition by subtraction that Gettleman is banking on here, and I'm fine giving him a chance to be right on that, but enough already with the "most draft picks" bullshit as though every pick is a given to succeed or that those late picks are worth as much as earlier picks.
RE: RE: The national media narrative is way over the top.. Â
If the approach is to build strong lines an a strong running game, I'm curious as to whether Gettleman may be onto something by zigging while the league is zagging.
The problem is two fold:
1) the running game has to be extraordinary good to cancel out the added attention and still be effective enough to win games and keep pace with other offenses.
2) Teams are becoming so good at passing the football that selling out on stoping the run and not putting resources into the secondary is a dangerous game in 2019. Our secondary won’t stand a chance without an elite pass rush.
Of “getting away from basketball on grass” or “hog mollies” or “ground and pound” despite the fact that the winning teams pass more and pass more efficiently is troubling.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
You’d like them to fall in lone with what the league is doing, and how teams are stocking up on defense to defend the quick striking offense. Not sure why. Trends are broken all the time, and I’d rather be ahead of the curve than try to copy it when it may soon be out dated.
Controlling the clock and forcing your opponent into 3rd and long is a good thing no matter what era of football you are in. It also makes it much easier for a new QB to come in an excel.
It’s foolish to think you’ve got the league figured out and that it won’t change.
And what happens if you fall behind 14-0? Sure breaking the trends is one way to stay ahead of the curve but good defenses have a tendency to not translate well from year to year, minus a handful of exceptions.
If you can’t put out a top 10 defense that can stop today’s passing offenses you’re playing a dangerous game.
a good secondary? Your posts are very confusing. We are talking about the Giants offense and building a good DLine to stop the run. That doesn’t mean don’t try and get better at DB. They drafted Beal. They kept Jenkins. They traded for Peppers. What am I missing here?
a good secondary? Your posts are very confusing. We are talking about the Giants offense and building a good DLine to stop the run. That doesn’t mean don’t try and get better at DB. They drafted Beal. They kept Jenkins. They traded for Peppers. What am I missing here?
Look at his track record. He doesn’t put money or high draft picks into the secondary.
a good secondary? Your posts are very confusing. We are talking about the Giants offense and building a good DLine to stop the run. That doesn’t mean don’t try and get better at DB. They drafted Beal. They kept Jenkins. They traded for Peppers. What am I missing here?
Would you call this secondary a top 20 secondary as currently constructed?
It’s not good enough to hang with today’s offenses without an elite pass rush.
he had a high priced CB that he kept despite trading away the other Reese FAs, he invested a 3rd in Beal, and he traded for a Safety that can cover. And that’s before this draft even starts. Your mind is made up, and there’s no point in arguing with you. Believe what you want.
The point remains, you need good secondary play and elite pass rushing to play a ball control offense in 2019. It’s the only way to win games 25-20 instead of 40-35. There’s a reason the league is trending towards a passing league. They’ve identified the weaknesses.
Sure the Giants can try to buck the trend, but they’ll need to be insanely efficient and become top 10 in those weaknesses and sustain that year to year.
If your secondary is at the bottom of the league or you get ravaged by injuries you can still win games if you’re efficient passing and can put up points. If you’re built to control the ball, that becomes a lot harder.
explain their desire to get an edge rusher at the top of the draft. I don’t really know what else to tell you. You are posting like Gettleman not only said he doesn’t care about stopping the pass but backed it up without making a single move for the secondary. It’s odd.
The draft hasn’t happened yet, how about waiting until it does?
Just not sure its a plan that is capable of winning in today's league. If your offense is predicated on the run, then you unquestionably need a top 5 defense both in yards and points. Think teams like the Bucs, Ravens, Jaguars of a couple of years ago.
Time will tell and I think the next qb choice will have a lot to say in where the Giants view themselves as a franchise.
Of “getting away from basketball on grass” or “hog mollies” or “ground and pound” despite the fact that the winning teams pass more and pass more efficiently is troubling.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
I’ve posted on this nonsense repeatedly, so I’ll just leave a link and you can see the data yourself. So tired of this “passing league” bullshit
The teams that run the ball and stop the run are successful.
The Patriots were top 10 in rushing offense and rushing defense.
The Eagles were top 5 in rushing offense and rushing defense.
has a plan shared by many football legends and is proven to work....always; control the line of scrimmage, team first members with talent, and great coaching. His plan is also going to have the Giants consistently in the mix in December. Hopefully they will catch some breaks and cross the finish line to a championship.
Often times a leader reaches greatness by one critical decision. I am fully confident DG will put tougher a tough, passionate team that fights and will be competitive.
His tenure will be defined as good or great by if they win a championship or not. Ultimately it will come down to having picked the right coach and either being correct in sticking with Eli or finding his successor ASAP.
It's worked 4 times and it will work again.
The OL has been upgraded significantly since he’s taken over and it’s pretty clear he’s intent on getting Bettcher “his players” on defense that actually fit the scheme. Trading Vernon for Zietler was a great move, for so many reasons.
His 2018 draft class is looking like the best we’ve seen in years and I love the direction this team is heading.
Takes some time to undue Reese’s shitshow, but he’s on the right track.
It's worked 4 times and it will work again.
I think that's part of the issue they had with drafting a RB at #2 overall last yr in what was considered by many to be one of the best QB classes in a long time.
If it were OL + DL + RB = championship then that move would have made more sense. But as the article stated, if he really didn't believe in any of the QB's then passing on them is the smart move.
My personal biggest concern (and take this with a grain of salt) is that Gettleman really believed that "Eli had years left" and could still win a championship. If he really believed that (and made the decision at #2 b/c of it) then his QB evaluation skills are scary.
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The OL has been upgraded significantly since he’s taken over and it’s pretty clear he’s intent on getting Bettcher “his players” on defense that actually fit the scheme. Trading Vernon for Zietler was a great move, for so many reasons.
couldn't agree more. Don't ever forget the JPP of TEs
His 2018 draft class is looking like the best we’ve seen in years and I love the direction this team is heading.
Takes some time to undue Reese’s shitshow, but he’s on the right track.
I'd add "cohesive and motivated squad" to the plan. I think that's the positive goal for the "no more locker room drama" part.
As for run-first, that's the plan. It makes perfect sense for a QB transition. But I'm not sure that's a winning formula in the NFL anymore.
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OL + DL + QB = championship
It's worked 4 times and it will work again.
I think that's part of the issue they had with drafting a RB at #2 overall last yr in what was considered by many to be one of the best QB classes in a long time.
If it were OL + DL + RB = championship then that move would have made more sense. But as the article stated, if he really didn't believe in any of the QB's then passing on them is the smart move.
My personal biggest concern (and take this with a grain of salt) is that Gettleman really believed that "Eli had years left" and could still win a championship. If he really believed that (and made the decision at #2 b/c of it) then his QB evaluation skills are scary.
Agreed with this. That said, after this draft, the sample size will be larger re: draft picks and it may make more sense. Seems likely we'll go with QB/OL/Front 7 with the first few picks of the draft this year.
a plan's success is measured by objective data, which in the NFL is your overall record. DG's plan is currently 5-11. we'll see in 3, 5 or 10 years whether that's turned around. You can only blame Reese for so long before he needs to accept responsibility.
when people question whether the Giants have a "plan", a big part of that is what they are planning to do to transition the most important position on the field and succeed Eli. perhaps we get our answer in three days.
I look forward to Peppers showing how good he is in this scheme ... he gets talked about like he’s some throw in scrub - when in reality he was a key reason for the trade happening
I loved the move, and think Peppers will thrive as a bigger / more athletic HoneyBadger for Bettcher
I don’t get it. One entity hasn’t been swapped out for a young kid and fans turn into fucking morons. One! And at what cost are we supposed to cut the qb??? For whom? Teddy fucking bridgewater?
This wasn’t a shot at the op or linked article. Just my daily rant in lieu of said linked article... I think.
a plan's success is measured by objective data, which in the NFL is your overall record. DG's plan is currently 5-11. we'll see in 3, 5 or 10 years whether that's turned around. You can only blame Reese for so long before he needs to accept responsibility.
when people question whether the Giants have a "plan", a big part of that is what they are planning to do to transition the most important position on the field and succeed Eli. perhaps we get our answer in three days.
I agree. I believe there would be less "plan" questions had he selected Darnold last year. Did he pick a great player last year in Saquon? Absolutely no question about it. For a team that had (and still has) all the needs that the Giants did, was it a great draft pick? I don't think so. In other words, I don't think it was the best usage of the #2 pick.
What are the keys to building a great team? Most would say QB, pass rusher, OL, and CB. For a team that sucked, picking an RB at #2 seemed like quite a misguided luxury. Darnold, Q. Nelson or B. Chubb would seem like better usage of the #2 pick in terms of the positions where you need premier players and the laws of supply and demand. You can find an RB you can win with in any draft even on day 2. Will you find another Saquon? No, but you don't need a "gold jacket" guy at that position.
Thank god..
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
Run the ball
Stop the Run
Get to the QB
Change the culture in the locker room
Did all these meat head reporters miss all those pressers? There is no secret to his approach. Every move he has made has revolved around these principles.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Have you not seen us get blown of the ball on both sides of the line for the last 6 seasons?
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
Or maybe like the Pats offense when they mowed down Rams with their running game in the Super Bowl. The Rams (and many others) are building teams to stop the pass, not stop the run. The Pats are going the other way and so are the Giants.
Many think Dave Gettleman was hired because he was a friend of John's and would go along with status quo. I actually believe its the opposite. John Mara hired Dave Gettleman because he knew success had followed him everywhere he went, meaning his success was not defined by his Giants tenure. While he fully trusted Gettleman, he knew Dave's #1 priority is building a winning football team. So when Dave Gettleman has to tell John Mara something he doesn't want to hear, i imagine he does so albeit reluctantly.
The Giants have a plan, but its not rosy. The Giants want the exact kind of locker room the Patriots have had for years. No leaks, no anonymous sources talking to the press, absolutely no bullshit anymore. Come in to work and grind. The Giants lost control of the work environment they wanted, and that's largely on them for not setting Odell straight from the start. But it reached a point where being partially culpable had to take a back burner to making a decision on what kind of culture and environment they wanted here.
And that is not to say Odell can't go to a team with a strong foundation in place and be kept in line when he starts to stray. He is not a bad person either. But the foundation was not in place here. It had rotted out. And when expectations are not clear from the start and you suddenly change the rules, it is near impossible for the process to go smoothly.
They want a non-flashy, highly technical team that emphasizes doing the basic things right ad nauseum. They want to pound teams into the ground, and they want a blue collar defense who makes you tap out by the third quarter.
Will they accomplish their goals? Well, i believe the culture and locker room they have envisioned is now in place, but they obviously need more talent. Shurmur needs to keep improving as a head coach. But for the first time in a long time, the Giants at least have a vision of what they want to be.
I kind of fall in with you. I still am skeptical of how they've proceeded forward with Eli (to me its either poor asset allocation or a complete absence of it), but Gettleman has otherwise had a good offseason so far. It's a relief, because I thought his 2018 was terrible. We'll see how the draft goes...picking a QB in the first round would be a mistake - if we're committing to Eli then let's surround him with players that will play.
If the approach is to build strong lines an a strong running game, I'm curious as to whether Gettleman may be onto something by zigging while the league is zagging.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
Reese?
You can argue about timing and proper compensation, but you can see how he's going about business.
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Of “getting away from basketball on grass” or “hog mollies” or “ground and pound” despite the fact that the winning teams pass more and pass more efficiently is troubling.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
Or maybe like the Pats offense when they mowed down Rams with their running game in the Super Bowl. The Rams (and many others) are building teams to stop the pass, not stop the run. The Pats are going the other way and so are the Giants.
That’s not true at all. The Patriots passed the ball as much as the Rams did. They ran the ball more because they had a lead. Two of the patriots four highest paid players are defensive backs.
They’ve traded for Brandin Cooks and Josh’s Gordon for what reason?
And please stop comparing teams to how the Patriots run things. Nobody can emulate it.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
You’d like them to fall in lone with what the league is doing, and how teams are stocking up on defense to defend the quick striking offense. Not sure why. Trends are broken all the time, and I’d rather be ahead of the curve than try to copy it when it may soon be out dated.
Controlling the clock and forcing your opponent into 3rd and long is a good thing no matter what era of football you are in. It also makes it much easier for a new QB to come in an excel.
It’s foolish to think you’ve got the league figured out and that it won’t change.
I don’t get it. One entity hasn’t been swapped out for a young kid and fans turn into fucking morons. One! And at what cost are we supposed to cut the qb??? For whom? Teddy fucking bridgewater?
This wasn’t a shot at the op or linked article. Just my daily rant in lieu of said linked article... I think.
Enough with the most draft picks nonsense. 8 of the 12 picks are on day 3. Half of our picks are in rounds 5, 6, and 7. I get that this draft is deep, but odds are that we'll see one - maybe two - legitimate players emerge from those day 3 picks.
Beyond that, there's also a point where you can't go around claiming that flipping the dollars in your pocket into brand new lottery tickets is some sort of sound investment strategy. There's an element of addition by subtraction that Gettleman is banking on here, and I'm fine giving him a chance to be right on that, but enough already with the "most draft picks" bullshit as though every pick is a given to succeed or that those late picks are worth as much as earlier picks.
If the approach is to build strong lines an a strong running game, I'm curious as to whether Gettleman may be onto something by zigging while the league is zagging.
The problem is two fold:
1) the running game has to be extraordinary good to cancel out the added attention and still be effective enough to win games and keep pace with other offenses.
2) Teams are becoming so good at passing the football that selling out on stoping the run and not putting resources into the secondary is a dangerous game in 2019. Our secondary won’t stand a chance without an elite pass rush.
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Of “getting away from basketball on grass” or “hog mollies” or “ground and pound” despite the fact that the winning teams pass more and pass more efficiently is troubling.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
You’d like them to fall in lone with what the league is doing, and how teams are stocking up on defense to defend the quick striking offense. Not sure why. Trends are broken all the time, and I’d rather be ahead of the curve than try to copy it when it may soon be out dated.
Controlling the clock and forcing your opponent into 3rd and long is a good thing no matter what era of football you are in. It also makes it much easier for a new QB to come in an excel.
It’s foolish to think you’ve got the league figured out and that it won’t change.
And what happens if you fall behind 14-0? Sure breaking the trends is one way to stay ahead of the curve but good defenses have a tendency to not translate well from year to year, minus a handful of exceptions.
If you can’t put out a top 10 defense that can stop today’s passing offenses you’re playing a dangerous game.
Look at his track record. He doesn’t put money or high draft picks into the secondary.
Would you call this secondary a top 20 secondary as currently constructed?
It’s not good enough to hang with today’s offenses without an elite pass rush.
The point remains, you need good secondary play and elite pass rushing to play a ball control offense in 2019. It’s the only way to win games 25-20 instead of 40-35. There’s a reason the league is trending towards a passing league. They’ve identified the weaknesses.
Sure the Giants can try to buck the trend, but they’ll need to be insanely efficient and become top 10 in those weaknesses and sustain that year to year.
If your secondary is at the bottom of the league or you get ravaged by injuries you can still win games if you’re efficient passing and can put up points. If you’re built to control the ball, that becomes a lot harder.
The draft hasn’t happened yet, how about waiting until it does?
Time will tell and I think the next qb choice will have a lot to say in where the Giants view themselves as a franchise.
It’s not 1995 anymore. “Basketball on grass” or quick striking offenses with speed all over the place is how you win in today’s NFL.
Would you rather have the 2018 Chiefs offense or the 2017 Jaguars offense?
I’ve posted on this nonsense repeatedly, so I’ll just leave a link and you can see the data yourself. So tired of this “passing league” bullshit
The teams that run the ball and stop the run are successful.
The Patriots were top 10 in rushing offense and rushing defense.
The Eagles were top 5 in rushing offense and rushing defense.
It still matters. It still wins.
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Often times a leader reaches greatness by one critical decision. I am fully confident DG will put tougher a tough, passionate team that fights and will be competitive.
His tenure will be defined as good or great by if they win a championship or not. Ultimately it will come down to having picked the right coach and either being correct in sticking with Eli or finding his successor ASAP.