Per the threads below, I am testing a Google "auto ads" feature that places ads where their system feels they are best suited. I don't have control over placement.
From what I've been able to tell, this has no affect on desktop and laptop computers. But on mobile devices, it appears there are two ads placed within threads (somewhere between text conversations). Again, I have no control of where they appear, but they seem to appear within the upper part of discussions.
From what I can tell, not ideal, but hardly "polluting".
I work to ensure there are no overlay ads, pop-ups, auto-sound ads, etc. Compare this with Daily News, Bergen Record, NJ.com, etc.
Not sure how you blame Eric when the vast majority of this stuff is avoidable.
I can understand folks wanting to use ad blockers, but this is not ideal from my selfish point of view either. It's one of the reasons why I try not to use intrusive ads.
As an FYI, I know Gary has been looking at making the front page more mobile friendly. That's a much easier fix.
Corner Forum is tougher because I personally think the out-of-the-box software that is out there sucks. It's that crap you see on other sites where people can put avatars and the flow seems to be screwed up. I actually hate being on those sites.
I personally don't use mobile devices. When I test something, I have to borrow my wife's or my kids' phones. I am actually surprised that the Forum works pretty decently on the devices EXCEPT it is a pain in the butt to manually make the screen larger on phones (less of an issue on a device like a Kindle).
I don't know if it is the ad blocker that I have installed
But, I don't see ANY ads ... and I am serious. I also have Norton's Internet Security.
Not sure what is helping but, I don't see any ads.
Now, if I sit down at a work computer or somewhere else - then I see ads.
Eric - I hope the ad-blocker is not decreasing your revenue. Obviously that was not my intent and I did not install the blocker for BBI specifically. All pages (sites) are filled with ads to the point of .... The internet is starting to make AM radio look like amateurs when it comes to advertising.
Im a fan of the new ad system. Yes, there are ads in the middle of thread, but there are no longer ads on the side bar that clip off the OP and sometimes top comment.
People complaining don't understand how the economics of a website works. Yes, everyone hates ads, but the other option is for BBI to change a monthly fee to log on, view and participate. No one wants that either. It takes no time to scroll past an ad in the middle of a thread. I use this website a bunch and if that's the price of admission and keeps the lights on, it's well worth it.
Than other commercially available frameworks. They would immediately handle all the shit members complain about every month.
Id recommend switching to XenForo framework, which is like $150 for the license and $40/year for the updates. Id also recommend offering two version of The Corner Forum: a free ad supported version and a premium ad free version to members who want to pay $30 a year.
Best site on the internet. He should get all the ad revenue he can. I can't believe people giving him a hard time. He has every right to run all the ads he wants.
This is one of the most content rich sites you will find and IT IS FREE. Eric and others bust their asses, asking little in return. So there are a few ads you have to deal with. BFD!
Than other commercially available frameworks. They would immediately handle all the shit members complain about every month.
Id recommend switching to XenForo framework, which is like $150 for the license and $40/year for the updates. Id also recommend offering two version of The Corner Forum: a free ad supported version and a premium ad free version to members who want to pay $30 a year.
But thats just my opinion, its not my site.
Can you provide a link to a live, working example?
(The last time we polled people with options, it went over like a lead balloon).
Ads seem fine to me. There was a few times more recently when some of the ads would cut off some posts. It was just an occasional nuisance. Next time it happens I'll send you an example. I'm also sending you an email with my other thoughts on generating $$$, fwiw.
As an FYI, I know Gary has been looking at making the front page more mobile friendly. That's a much easier fix.
Corner Forum is tougher because I personally think the out-of-the-box software that is out there sucks. It's that crap you see on other sites where people can put avatars and the flow seems to be screwed up. I actually hate being on those sites.
I personally don't use mobile devices. When I test something, I have to borrow my wife's or my kids' phones. I am actually surprised that the Forum works pretty decently on the devices EXCEPT it is a pain in the butt to manually make the screen larger on phones (less of an issue on a device like a Kindle).
Eric - for what its worth, I access it 90% of the time mobile. Having a version that works on a mobile device is key especially with how technology is headed
If this helps, I logged in from a different home page and it seems to
But, I don't see ANY ads ... and I am serious. I also have Norton's Internet Security.
Not sure what is helping but, I don't see any ads.
Now, if I sit down at a work computer or somewhere else - then I see ads.
Eric - I hope the ad-blocker is not decreasing your revenue. Obviously that was not my intent and I did not install the blocker for BBI specifically. All pages (sites) are filled with ads to the point of .... The internet is starting to make AM radio look like amateurs when it comes to advertising.
Disable the add blocker for this site to help Eric.
Everyone wants the best with all the bells and whistles but don't want to pay for it.
Eric, it's a great site!
I do like the idea another poster mentioned of an ad-supported free version and pay for the premium version. Most forum software these days give you options to give more perks to subscribers than just ad-free use as well. Preferred member titles, ability to post certain things that free members can't, etc. I'll have to admit my budget is very tight since retiring from my first career but I can see myself paying to be a premium member, within reason.
However, with change comes a risk. Can the new forum somehow carry over the current usernames, thread history, members historical info, etc? You risk losing some members but I doubt that. I don't see many other places for Giants fans to go to for this level of content. Still, there is a risk.
I'm a fan of the extra bells and whistles that come with a more current forum but most in this community prefer this style. You must be doing something right.
RE: RE: There is no universe where the current board is better
Than other commercially available frameworks. They would immediately handle all the shit members complain about every month.
Id recommend switching to XenForo framework, which is like $150 for the license and $40/year for the updates. Id also recommend offering two version of The Corner Forum: a free ad supported version and a premium ad free version to members who want to pay $30 a year.
But thats just my opinion, its not my site.
Can you provide a link to a live, working example?
(The last time we polled people with options, it went over like a lead balloon).
Do the stuff for you. That way you can keep the forum as it is and they will protect pages from non-subscribers for you for 15% per month. Plus, they handle the all the billing/renewals/etc. so you don't have to deal with credit cards/credit card issues at all. Take a look - ( New Window )
From what I've been able to tell, this has no affect on desktop and laptop computers. But on mobile devices, it appears there are two ads placed within threads (somewhere between text conversations). Again, I have no control of where they appear, but they seem to appear within the upper part of discussions.
Funny enough, Eric - on my mobile device (iPhone), the ad does NOT appear in the text box, but appears right after the box (but before the next person's post). I had seen people's complaints about the ad appearing within the box and didn't understand what they were talking about, until I logged on to my computer today.
Not sure if my experience was unique, thought I would pass it along.
And FWIW, I don't find it intrusive. In fact, I actually prefer that to the ads appearing on the upper right side, as that cuts off text from posts.
From what I've been able to tell, this has no affect on desktop and laptop computers. But on mobile devices, it appears there are two ads placed within threads (somewhere between text conversations). Again, I have no control of where they appear, but they seem to appear within the upper part of discussions.
Funny enough, Eric - on my mobile device (iPhone), the ad does NOT appear in the text box, but appears right after the box (but before the next person's post). I had seen people's complaints about the ad appearing within the box and didn't understand what they were talking about, until I logged on to my computer today.
Not sure if my experience was unique, thought I would pass it along.
And FWIW, I don't find it intrusive. In fact, I actually prefer that to the ads appearing on the upper right side, as that cuts off text from posts.
I should clarify - text gets cut off by ads on my mobile only...
It takes money to run this site and all sites and no one should expect Eric to go into his pocket to cover the expenses.
So its either ads or a subscription fee. I for one, would be happy to pay a fee to ensure the sites existence. I already pay for ESPN Insider and The Athletic and BBI is still my favorite.
(Also, please note they also have an ad in the middle of their posts) https://247sports.com/Board/30/Contents/The-Official-UVa-VT-Rivalry-Thread-You-Are-Now-In-The-Know-12036239/ - ( New Window )
Eric, yes, that's it. 247 sites have a free board and a pay one. The pay one has the most info and best discussions.
Of course, I prefer the current Forum's layout and that can be preserved using CC Bill who would provide billing and access to subscribers (as well as handling any credit card issues).
A 3rd option that was mentioned was 1 board with ads, and one without, but I'm not as familiar with that.
The beauty of the forum is and always has been the simplicity. It's also why the forum loads quickly and is virtually cross-device friendly without being technically responsive.
I'd very much encourage users not employ full Ad Blocking on the site. There are levels of blocking if you must that don't full-stop Eric's revenue.
Eric -- have you ever looked into Ad Block acceptable ads? I flipped on the blocker on BBI and see all ads are wiped even with that setting on, that might be a good way to keep ads going and keep people from killing them.
In my experience with Google, even with auto-injection they will honor some basic rules to target outside of some basic HTML elements i.e. the container for the quote box.
I strongly vote for the inline ads if it frees up the right rail. That's were a bunch of overlap occurs.
I would like to know is what folks think of the board Stan suggests.
Don't get me wrong. I prefer the current forum as well. I was just using that as an example. You can keep the forum exactly as it is by using someone like CC Bill to handle subscriptions. You can protect any pages on the site (i.e., making some free and others for subscriber only, you choose). They do all the work for you.
Not a fan of the format, but perhaps it would be better for the mobile devices?
Regardless, I do want to hear feedback.
Maybe you could integrate your current forum via Tapatalk? I was looking into this once upon a time when I was thinking of starting my own website. Tapatalk is a common android and apple app that connects to existing forums with a mobile platform. They can also host the forum if you prefer. If I remember right they have a ton of options both paid and free.
From the Tapatalk website:
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Free to Start
Whether you're starting a new community, migrating your community, or simply want to activate Tapatalk Mobile App with your existing forum, Tapatalk is absolutely free for you and your members - or select our Basic Plan ($5/mo) or Premium Plan ($10/mo) to get more control of your branding and advertisment that is right for your community.
Make the entire site free EXCEPT for the Corner Forum. Charge a nominal fee, say, $1.99 a month (you have complete flexibility here to charge more or less), recurring until cancelled. Of course, if you charge more the less subscribers you would get, but you might net more income. You would not be locked into any set price as you could change it easily at any point.
Then, keep the ads on the free pages and eliminate them on the Forum. you could also put things like Sy's stuff behind the subscriber wall in order to entice more subscribers, so there's that.
Personally, I'd pay $10 a month without a second thought.
There was a poster that suggested an icon or something,
Keep in mind XenForo is PHP-based and can be highly customized Android Forum - ( New Window )
Personally, I don't like that. Maybe it's because I'm too used to the Forum. But again, I will keep an open mind and I want people to weigh in.
These out-of-the box packages all seem the same to me. The posts are more compartmentalized and there seems to be much more wasted space because of it (i.e., look at how much you have to scroll to read the responses), and the info on the poster seems unnecessary (rank, points, posts, avatar - keeping in mind the avatars have to load too).
I basically have two ad networks, USA Today (which has zero publisher control - they are weird in that department - there is no back end for me to even review/filter ads) and Google (as you probably know with Google, you simply cut and paste ad code except with the new auto ads).
Keep in mind XenForo is PHP-based and can be highly customized Android Forum - ( New Window )
Personally, I don't like that. Maybe it's because I'm too used to the Forum. But again, I will keep an open mind and I want people to weigh in.
These out-of-the box packages all seem the same to me. The posts are more compartmentalized and there seems to be much more wasted space because of it (i.e., look at how much you have to scroll to read the responses), and the info on the poster seems unnecessary (rank, points, posts, avatar - keeping in mind the avatars have to load too).
So it seems like the best way to go is to keep everything exactly the same, and monetize certain pages/content. Remember, once it's set up, you do not have to do anything more. Just operate like nothing is changed.
Or find an out-of-the-box option that is bit simpler.
I know the Forum isn't great for mobile devices. It works better than I would have guess (because of what Christian said above), it is not ideal. You have to manually enlarge the screen.
What surprises me is there are not more attractive options out there. Indeed, there are ones out there that are FAR, FAR worse than the one that you shared... some of them are so bad that it tough to even follow the flow of the conversation.
RE: RE: I don't know if it is the ad blocker that I have installed
But, I don't see ANY ads ... and I am serious. I also have Norton's Internet Security.
Not sure what is helping but, I don't see any ads.
Now, if I sit down at a work computer or somewhere else - then I see ads.
Eric - I hope the ad-blocker is not decreasing your revenue. Obviously that was not my intent and I did not install the blocker for BBI specifically. All pages (sites) are filled with ads to the point of .... The internet is starting to make AM radio look like amateurs when it comes to advertising.
Disable the add blocker for this site to help Eric.
Does it really help to disable the blocker for this site?
I love the BBI layout. It's very easy to read thru posts. The other suggested boards on this thread do not read as nicely.
I gasped when I realized I never thought to disable my ad blocker here on BBI. I've just corrected that. I never thought about it... Usually a site will remind you to do so, but BBI never does... Eric, can you fix that?
Most years I kick in a few bucks during the donation season, but wondering would it be better to just do a $30 subscription each year. I'd certainly consider it.
I've elaborated on this below on a couple of threads.
I need to increase revenue. It's that simple.
I'm not sure I would call it "polluted". Have you been on other sites?
Eric.... I agree with you. Totally get it. I have a few websites too. The number of ads dont bother me but there are many times when the ads covers the content and I cannot read some of the posts.
I love the BBI layout. It's very easy to read thru posts. The other suggested boards on this thread do not read as nicely.
I gasped when I realized I never thought to disable my ad blocker here on BBI. I've just corrected that. I never thought about it... Usually a site will remind you to do so, but BBI never does... Eric, can you fix that?
Most years I kick in a few bucks during the donation season, but wondering would it be better to just do a $30 subscription each year. I'd certainly consider it.
I think the covering up issue appeared a couple of months ago when USA Today asked me to change their code. I asked Gary if there is a way we can "box" that code in better so it doesn't cover text.
something else I noticed that maybe can help with your revenue when it comes to ads....
There are two ads on the right column that are at the top of each thread. They are stationary. If you make them "float" so they will follow as people tab down the thread, you will earn more.
something else I noticed that maybe can help with your revenue when it comes to ads....
There are two ads on the right column that are at the top of each thread. They are stationary. If you make them "float" so they will follow as people tab down the thread, you will earn more.
I don't know if we can control that with those specific ads. Sometimes ad companies are very sensitive to positioning on a page (even though your suggestion means more eyes).
as well. I like the suggestion to do a reminder for people that disabling adblockers help support the site. Just state in the reminder that you do your best to keep the ads to a minimum. I just never thought of disabling it before now myself.
What kind of forum software do you use now? I recommended Tapatalk because supposedly you can set it up to work with your site. Your forum look doesn't change except to be more user-friendly to those using the app to review and post on the forum. Basically, users can use the Tapatalk app (apple and android) to sign into your forum with a mobile-friendly look. This is what they claim anyway. I don't know how customizable the mobile look is though. That might look very different from the full site version however a mobile-friendly version is what you want right?
They have hosting options as well but it doesn't sound like you want to go that route. Instead, they can just connect their mobile platform to your forum. I think it depends on whatever forum software you currently use though.
Outside of that, you would think most of the latest forum software options out there would be versatile enough to customize it to look very much like the current BBI forum. You don't want avatars? Turn that feature off. Want a donations button? Turn that feature on. Want to limit the size of pictures people show? Just put in the acceptable dimensions. I could have sworn that's how the better ones worked. I'm sure many of them already have a mobile friendly version.
Just some thoughts I had before bed. Good luck Eric and thank you for all you do for us!
BBI is home grown and it was written YEARS ago. It's basically a patchwork now, but it is still working. But that's the issue with any updates/upgrades.
something else I noticed that maybe can help with your revenue when it comes to ads....
There are two ads on the right column that are at the top of each thread. They are stationary. If you make them "float" so they will follow as people tab down the thread, you will earn more.
I don't know if we can control that with those specific ads. Sometimes ad companies are very sensitive to positioning on a page (even though your suggestion means more eyes).
suggest discussing it with them. They don't get paid either if eyes are not on the ads. The ads need to be displayed for a few seconds for you to get paid (maybe 3 seconds or more). If someone here goes back to a thread they already visited, they likely will immediately tab down towards the bottom to get to the new posts. Well....that may not count towards ad revenue since the ads are at the top.
Even though traffic has declined...with the number of total page views this site gets, you should be crushing it.
BBI is home grown and it was written YEARS ago. It's basically a patchwork now, but it is still working. But that's the issue with any updates/upgrades.
Oh. Well hell. I think you might be stuck then until you take a leap with a redesign. I don`t see any urgent need for that. The look is certainly holding up. I still think tapatalk might be a good option when that time comes. The forums I perused via the app on my phone looked clean and clear of flashy extras.
I would easily pay $30 per year just to avoid the trolls and the bs content.
Believe me, it's been widely publicly and privately discussed for years and years. At best, I think you get 1/3 of poster sign up. And once posting quantity and quality decreases - especially with attrition - the reason to sign up disappears.
Keep in mind there are a bunch of Giants-related sites too.
Free but add a "tip jar." Many of us donate and could do so regularly (keep your yearly push). Paid versus free content might deter Asshats and newbies which is what makes BBI special.
The interface can always be updated to enhance with the feel. Personally, ive enabled ads to help with the revenue and have no issues on my laptop. The problems I have are with the iPad and mobile where ads become a burden and show-ups across threads.
Free but add a "tip jar." Many of us donate and could do so regularly (keep your yearly push). Paid versus free content might deter Asshats and newbies which is what makes BBI special.
The interface can always be updated to enhance with the feel. Personally, ive enabled ads to help with the revenue and have no issues on my laptop. The problems I have are with the iPad and mobile where ads become a burden and show-ups across threads.
(Also, please note they also have an ad in the middle of their posts) https://247sports.com/Board/30/Contents/The-Official-UVa-VT-Rivalry-Thread-You-Are-Now-In-The-Know-12036239/ - ( New Window )
I wouldn't complain about the ads because I value this site, but if you are asking, I do like that better. I use this site across a few different platforms and the ads block content often. I would also LOVE the ability to edit my posts. I would BUY a BBI app.
RE: RE: I don't know if it is the ad blocker that I have installed
But, I don't see ANY ads ... and I am serious. I also have Norton's Internet Security.
Not sure what is helping but, I don't see any ads.
Now, if I sit down at a work computer or somewhere else - then I see ads.
Eric - I hope the ad-blocker is not decreasing your revenue. Obviously that was not my intent and I did not install the blocker for BBI specifically. All pages (sites) are filled with ads to the point of .... The internet is starting to make AM radio look like amateurs when it comes to advertising.
Disable the add blocker for this site to help Eric.
Stan - you are 100% right ... and I would do it if it was just his site. BUT, IT IS NOT ... JUST ... THIS .... SITE. Next year I will start donating again. I stopped because .... well personal reasons.
I need to increase revenue. It's that simple.
I'm not sure I would call it "polluted". Have you been on other sites?
Again, it is NOT a given that BBI will continue to exist.
I need to increase revenue. It's that simple.
I'm not sure I would call it "polluted". Have you been on other sites?
Eric, I am seeing ads in peoples quoted text. Is that part of it? Just wondering.
Its really hard to find a place to share opinions online these days, particularity about ny specific teams. CBS, FOX etc. all dead.
please keep it going as best you need to.
Not sure how you blame Eric when the vast majority of this stuff is avoidable.
How much have you contributed during the site's fundraising drives?
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From what I've been able to tell, this has no affect on desktop and laptop computers. But on mobile devices, it appears there are two ads placed within threads (somewhere between text conversations). Again, I have no control of where they appear, but they seem to appear within the upper part of discussions.
From what I can tell, not ideal, but hardly "polluting".
I work to ensure there are no overlay ads, pop-ups, auto-sound ads, etc. Compare this with Daily News, Bergen Record, NJ.com, etc.
Not sure how you blame Eric when the vast majority of this stuff is avoidable.
I can understand folks wanting to use ad blockers, but this is not ideal from my selfish point of view either. It's one of the reasons why I try not to use intrusive ads.
I hate ads but I understand why it has to be done.
Corner Forum is tougher because I personally think the out-of-the-box software that is out there sucks. It's that crap you see on other sites where people can put avatars and the flow seems to be screwed up. I actually hate being on those sites.
I personally don't use mobile devices. When I test something, I have to borrow my wife's or my kids' phones. I am actually surprised that the Forum works pretty decently on the devices EXCEPT it is a pain in the butt to manually make the screen larger on phones (less of an issue on a device like a Kindle).
Not sure what is helping but, I don't see any ads.
Now, if I sit down at a work computer or somewhere else - then I see ads.
Eric - I hope the ad-blocker is not decreasing your revenue. Obviously that was not my intent and I did not install the blocker for BBI specifically. All pages (sites) are filled with ads to the point of .... The internet is starting to make AM radio look like amateurs when it comes to advertising.
+1
I know folks are not thrilled with the side ads within threads. I want to at least fix that problem.
I need to increase revenue. It's that simple.
I'm not sure I would call it "polluted". Have you been on other sites?
just don't put pop-up ads please lol
Believe me, I try to keep everything less intrusive and minimalist as possible.
If you have noticed, until this recent test, I never had a page on BBI have more than three ads.
And pop-ups, overlays, take-over, etc ads are the ones that pay far, far more CPMs. But I don't do it.
People complaining don't understand how the economics of a website works. Yes, everyone hates ads, but the other option is for BBI to change a monthly fee to log on, view and participate. No one wants that either. It takes no time to scroll past an ad in the middle of a thread. I use this website a bunch and if that's the price of admission and keeps the lights on, it's well worth it.
Id recommend switching to XenForo framework, which is like $150 for the license and $40/year for the updates. Id also recommend offering two version of The Corner Forum: a free ad supported version and a premium ad free version to members who want to pay $30 a year.
But thats just my opinion, its not my site.
Id recommend switching to XenForo framework, which is like $150 for the license and $40/year for the updates. Id also recommend offering two version of The Corner Forum: a free ad supported version and a premium ad free version to members who want to pay $30 a year.
But thats just my opinion, its not my site.
Can you provide a link to a live, working example?
(The last time we polled people with options, it went over like a lead balloon).
Corner Forum is tougher because I personally think the out-of-the-box software that is out there sucks. It's that crap you see on other sites where people can put avatars and the flow seems to be screwed up. I actually hate being on those sites.
I personally don't use mobile devices. When I test something, I have to borrow my wife's or my kids' phones. I am actually surprised that the Forum works pretty decently on the devices EXCEPT it is a pain in the butt to manually make the screen larger on phones (less of an issue on a device like a Kindle).
Eric - for what its worth, I access it 90% of the time mobile. Having a version that works on a mobile device is key especially with how technology is headed
Trouble on Yahoo. Less trouble on Xfinity. Even less trouble on Outlook.com
Not sure what is helping but, I don't see any ads.
Now, if I sit down at a work computer or somewhere else - then I see ads.
Eric - I hope the ad-blocker is not decreasing your revenue. Obviously that was not my intent and I did not install the blocker for BBI specifically. All pages (sites) are filled with ads to the point of .... The internet is starting to make AM radio look like amateurs when it comes to advertising.
Disable the add blocker for this site to help Eric.
Eric, it's a great site!
I do like the idea another poster mentioned of an ad-supported free version and pay for the premium version. Most forum software these days give you options to give more perks to subscribers than just ad-free use as well. Preferred member titles, ability to post certain things that free members can't, etc. I'll have to admit my budget is very tight since retiring from my first career but I can see myself paying to be a premium member, within reason.
However, with change comes a risk. Can the new forum somehow carry over the current usernames, thread history, members historical info, etc? You risk losing some members but I doubt that. I don't see many other places for Giants fans to go to for this level of content. Still, there is a risk.
I'm a fan of the extra bells and whistles that come with a more current forum but most in this community prefer this style. You must be doing something right.
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Than other commercially available frameworks. They would immediately handle all the shit members complain about every month.
Id recommend switching to XenForo framework, which is like $150 for the license and $40/year for the updates. Id also recommend offering two version of The Corner Forum: a free ad supported version and a premium ad free version to members who want to pay $30 a year.
But thats just my opinion, its not my site.
Can you provide a link to a live, working example?
(The last time we polled people with options, it went over like a lead balloon).
Yes, 2 forums, 1 free, and the other pay like 247 does.
Your income will shoot up. - ( New Window )
Take a look - ( New Window )
From what I've been able to tell, this has no affect on desktop and laptop computers. But on mobile devices, it appears there are two ads placed within threads (somewhere between text conversations). Again, I have no control of where they appear, but they seem to appear within the upper part of discussions.
Funny enough, Eric - on my mobile device (iPhone), the ad does NOT appear in the text box, but appears right after the box (but before the next person's post). I had seen people's complaints about the ad appearing within the box and didn't understand what they were talking about, until I logged on to my computer today.
Not sure if my experience was unique, thought I would pass it along.
And FWIW, I don't find it intrusive. In fact, I actually prefer that to the ads appearing on the upper right side, as that cuts off text from posts.
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From what I've been able to tell, this has no affect on desktop and laptop computers. But on mobile devices, it appears there are two ads placed within threads (somewhere between text conversations). Again, I have no control of where they appear, but they seem to appear within the upper part of discussions.
Funny enough, Eric - on my mobile device (iPhone), the ad does NOT appear in the text box, but appears right after the box (but before the next person's post). I had seen people's complaints about the ad appearing within the box and didn't understand what they were talking about, until I logged on to my computer today.
Not sure if my experience was unique, thought I would pass it along.
And FWIW, I don't find it intrusive. In fact, I actually prefer that to the ads appearing on the upper right side, as that cuts off text from posts.
I should clarify - text gets cut off by ads on my mobile only...
So its either ads or a subscription fee. I for one, would be happy to pay a fee to ensure the sites existence. I already pay for ESPN Insider and The Athletic and BBI is still my favorite.
Do people like this better?
(Also, please note they also have an ad in the middle of their posts)
https://247sports.com/Board/30/Contents/The-Official-UVa-VT-Rivalry-Thread-You-Are-Now-In-The-Know-12036239/ - ( New Window )
Yesterday I was able to book a vacation, buy boots all the while getting an asian date. -- That might make for a good time though.
Today I can buy a sink, a rug and a durango
Not sure how it determines what I want to buy, but I have 3 young kids so vacations are mostly local, I never wore boots, and I don't need a date.
I also don't need a sink, run or SUV.
I never search for any of the above, so not sure what algorithm Google uses.
Do people like this better?
(Also, please note they also have an ad in the middle of their posts) https://247sports.com/Board/30/Contents/The-Official-UVa-VT-Rivalry-Thread-You-Are-Now-In-The-Know-12036239/ - ( New Window )
Eric, yes, that's it. 247 sites have a free board and a pay one. The pay one has the most info and best discussions.
Of course, I prefer the current Forum's layout and that can be preserved using CC Bill who would provide billing and access to subscribers (as well as handling any credit card issues).
A 3rd option that was mentioned was 1 board with ads, and one without, but I'm not as familiar with that.
I don't like the format of the site Stan proposes
I like the BBI format
Regardless, I do want to hear feedback.
Again, we have no control over that. That's Google.
Isn't it BBI tradition to 100% renounce what Stan endorses?
Too bad it didn't happen on this one
The beauty of the forum is and always has been the simplicity. It's also why the forum loads quickly and is virtually cross-device friendly without being technically responsive.
I'd very much encourage users not employ full Ad Blocking on the site. There are levels of blocking if you must that don't full-stop Eric's revenue.
Eric -- have you ever looked into Ad Block acceptable ads? I flipped on the blocker on BBI and see all ads are wiped even with that setting on, that might be a good way to keep ads going and keep people from killing them.
In my experience with Google, even with auto-injection they will honor some basic rules to target outside of some basic HTML elements i.e. the container for the quote box.
I strongly vote for the inline ads if it frees up the right rail. That's were a bunch of overlap occurs.
Don't get me wrong. I prefer the current forum as well. I was just using that as an example. You can keep the forum exactly as it is by using someone like CC Bill to handle subscriptions. You can protect any pages on the site (i.e., making some free and others for subscriber only, you choose). They do all the work for you.
I imagine Eric would prefer the site be ad-free, but it sounds like not enough is raised during the campaign.
Regardless, I do want to hear feedback.
Maybe you could integrate your current forum via Tapatalk? I was looking into this once upon a time when I was thinking of starting my own website. Tapatalk is a common android and apple app that connects to existing forums with a mobile platform. They can also host the forum if you prefer. If I remember right they have a ton of options both paid and free.
From the Tapatalk website:
Whether you're starting a new community, migrating your community, or simply want to activate Tapatalk Mobile App with your existing forum, Tapatalk is absolutely free for you and your members - or select our Basic Plan ($5/mo) or Premium Plan ($10/mo) to get more control of your branding and advertisment that is right for your community.
https://www.tapatalk.com/ - ( New Window )
Then, keep the ads on the free pages and eliminate them on the Forum. you could also put things like Sy's stuff behind the subscriber wall in order to entice more subscribers, so there's that.
Personally, I'd pay $10 a month without a second thought.
I support Eric's decision making, will accept the ads, will contribute.
Keep in mind XenForo is PHP-based and can be highly customized
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Keep in mind XenForo is PHP-based and can be highly customized Android Forum - ( New Window )
Personally, I don't like that. Maybe it's because I'm too used to the Forum. But again, I will keep an open mind and I want people to weigh in.
These out-of-the box packages all seem the same to me. The posts are more compartmentalized and there seems to be much more wasted space because of it (i.e., look at how much you have to scroll to read the responses), and the info on the poster seems unnecessary (rank, points, posts, avatar - keeping in mind the avatars have to load too).
I basically have two ad networks, USA Today (which has zero publisher control - they are weird in that department - there is no back end for me to even review/filter ads) and Google (as you probably know with Google, you simply cut and paste ad code except with the new auto ads).
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Here is an example of a site built with XenForo
Keep in mind XenForo is PHP-based and can be highly customized Android Forum - ( New Window )
Personally, I don't like that. Maybe it's because I'm too used to the Forum. But again, I will keep an open mind and I want people to weigh in.
These out-of-the box packages all seem the same to me. The posts are more compartmentalized and there seems to be much more wasted space because of it (i.e., look at how much you have to scroll to read the responses), and the info on the poster seems unnecessary (rank, points, posts, avatar - keeping in mind the avatars have to load too).
So it seems like the best way to go is to keep everything exactly the same, and monetize certain pages/content. Remember, once it's set up, you do not have to do anything more. Just operate like nothing is changed.
I know the Forum isn't great for mobile devices. It works better than I would have guess (because of what Christian said above), it is not ideal. You have to manually enlarge the screen.
What surprises me is there are not more attractive options out there. Indeed, there are ones out there that are FAR, FAR worse than the one that you shared... some of them are so bad that it tough to even follow the flow of the conversation.
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But, I don't see ANY ads ... and I am serious. I also have Norton's Internet Security.
Not sure what is helping but, I don't see any ads.
Now, if I sit down at a work computer or somewhere else - then I see ads.
Eric - I hope the ad-blocker is not decreasing your revenue. Obviously that was not my intent and I did not install the blocker for BBI specifically. All pages (sites) are filled with ads to the point of .... The internet is starting to make AM radio look like amateurs when it comes to advertising.
Disable the add blocker for this site to help Eric.
Does it really help to disable the blocker for this site?
Well that is easy enough to fix...
Like I said, I try to keep the intrusive ads off the site.
Like I said, I try to keep the intrusive ads off the site.
I personally like the ads in the middle. I wouldnt change a thing. Is it really that bothersome when people post pics and gifs all the time?
So that why the epic thread was deleted!!!! Haha
I gasped when I realized I never thought to disable my ad blocker here on BBI. I've just corrected that. I never thought about it... Usually a site will remind you to do so, but BBI never does... Eric, can you fix that?
Most years I kick in a few bucks during the donation season, but wondering would it be better to just do a $30 subscription each year. I'd certainly consider it.
I need to increase revenue. It's that simple.
I'm not sure I would call it "polluted". Have you been on other sites?
Eric.... I agree with you. Totally get it. I have a few websites too. The number of ads dont bother me but there are many times when the ads covers the content and I cannot read some of the posts.
I gasped when I realized I never thought to disable my ad blocker here on BBI. I've just corrected that. I never thought about it... Usually a site will remind you to do so, but BBI never does... Eric, can you fix that?
Most years I kick in a few bucks during the donation season, but wondering would it be better to just do a $30 subscription each year. I'd certainly consider it.
Thanks for the feedback and consideration!
There are two ads on the right column that are at the top of each thread. They are stationary. If you make them "float" so they will follow as people tab down the thread, you will earn more.
There are two ads on the right column that are at the top of each thread. They are stationary. If you make them "float" so they will follow as people tab down the thread, you will earn more.
I don't know if we can control that with those specific ads. Sometimes ad companies are very sensitive to positioning on a page (even though your suggestion means more eyes).
What kind of forum software do you use now? I recommended Tapatalk because supposedly you can set it up to work with your site. Your forum look doesn't change except to be more user-friendly to those using the app to review and post on the forum. Basically, users can use the Tapatalk app (apple and android) to sign into your forum with a mobile-friendly look. This is what they claim anyway. I don't know how customizable the mobile look is though. That might look very different from the full site version however a mobile-friendly version is what you want right?
They have hosting options as well but it doesn't sound like you want to go that route. Instead, they can just connect their mobile platform to your forum. I think it depends on whatever forum software you currently use though.
Outside of that, you would think most of the latest forum software options out there would be versatile enough to customize it to look very much like the current BBI forum. You don't want avatars? Turn that feature off. Want a donations button? Turn that feature on. Want to limit the size of pictures people show? Just put in the acceptable dimensions. I could have sworn that's how the better ones worked. I'm sure many of them already have a mobile friendly version.
Just some thoughts I had before bed. Good luck Eric and thank you for all you do for us!
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something else I noticed that maybe can help with your revenue when it comes to ads....
There are two ads on the right column that are at the top of each thread. They are stationary. If you make them "float" so they will follow as people tab down the thread, you will earn more.
I don't know if we can control that with those specific ads. Sometimes ad companies are very sensitive to positioning on a page (even though your suggestion means more eyes).
suggest discussing it with them. They don't get paid either if eyes are not on the ads. The ads need to be displayed for a few seconds for you to get paid (maybe 3 seconds or more). If someone here goes back to a thread they already visited, they likely will immediately tab down towards the bottom to get to the new posts. Well....that may not count towards ad revenue since the ads are at the top.
Even though traffic has declined...with the number of total page views this site gets, you should be crushing it.
Oh. Well hell. I think you might be stuck then until you take a leap with a redesign. I don`t see any urgent need for that. The look is certainly holding up. I still think tapatalk might be a good option when that time comes. The forums I perused via the app on my phone looked clean and clear of flashy extras.
Believe me, it's been widely publicly and privately discussed for years and years. At best, I think you get 1/3 of poster sign up. And once posting quantity and quality decreases - especially with attrition - the reason to sign up disappears.
Keep in mind there are a bunch of Giants-related sites too.
My best bet is to find a happy medium.
MENTAL CRIPPLE>>>>>
The interface can always be updated to enhance with the feel. Personally, ive enabled ads to help with the revenue and have no issues on my laptop. The problems I have are with the iPad and mobile where ads become a burden and show-ups across threads.
The interface can always be updated to enhance with the feel. Personally, ive enabled ads to help with the revenue and have no issues on my laptop. The problems I have are with the iPad and mobile where ads become a burden and show-ups across threads.
Do people like this better?
(Also, please note they also have an ad in the middle of their posts) https://247sports.com/Board/30/Contents/The-Official-UVa-VT-Rivalry-Thread-You-Are-Now-In-The-Know-12036239/ - ( New Window )
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But, I don't see ANY ads ... and I am serious. I also have Norton's Internet Security.
Not sure what is helping but, I don't see any ads.
Now, if I sit down at a work computer or somewhere else - then I see ads.
Eric - I hope the ad-blocker is not decreasing your revenue. Obviously that was not my intent and I did not install the blocker for BBI specifically. All pages (sites) are filled with ads to the point of .... The internet is starting to make AM radio look like amateurs when it comes to advertising.
Disable the add blocker for this site to help Eric.
Stan - you are 100% right ... and I would do it if it was just his site. BUT, IT IS NOT ... JUST ... THIS .... SITE. Next year I will start donating again. I stopped because .... well personal reasons.