If Gettleman goes heavy on defense early this draft we can have the basis of a really solid defense in a couple of years. I’m picturing an edge rusher and linebacker in round 1, another defensive front 7 pick in round 2, and some cornerback depth in later rounds.
If these players work out, combined with the three young pieces we have on our d currently, the defense can be a real strength in a year or so.
The way to build a team is to draft a solid base and supplement with the occasional free agent. We can build the foundation of a solid defense this year. If we hit on a mid round o-line player or receiver we can get good quickly.
Our CB situation could be scary.
Bethea/Peppers is going to improve coverage dramatically. I don’t think a secondary of Bethea, Peppers, Jenkins, Beal, Haley is the destitute wasteland some fear. Beal has a ton of talent, although I expect competition brought in. I do like Haley, a lot.
DL has 2 solid young players in Tomlinson/Hill. I’m fine with Ogletree and Carter at LB ...
A guy like Wilkins + Bush/Jaylon Ferguson and this defense has a lot of potential. This team gave away half of their games because of the defense, and this draft is beyond loaded with elite talent on that side of the ball. Address it, early and often.
Feed Barkley, continue to build the OL, improve the defense ... playoffs?
This team could’ve been 9-7 last year with a middle of the road defense
They should be using this draft to stockpile elite talent (and depth) on the defense. This team has been “top heavy” for way too long ... cant wait for this draft
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The defense is awful, thin everywhere. If he hits on his defensive picks, you could see a defense ranking in the late teens, early twenties with a strong outlook for the future.
This team could’ve been 9-7 last year with a middle of the road defense
They should be using this draft to stockpile elite talent (and depth) on the defense. This team has been “top heavy” for way too long ... cant wait for this draft
I disagree with this. The defense hung in every game and the. Buckled when the offense couldn’t do anything late in games.
Go big on D up front in the draft.
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The defense is awful, thin everywhere. If he hits on his defensive picks, you could see a defense ranking in the late teens, early twenties with a strong outlook for the future.
This team could’ve been 9-7 last year with a middle of the road defense
They should be using this draft to stockpile elite talent (and depth) on the defense. This team has been “top heavy” for way too long ... cant wait for this draft
I disagree with this. The defense hung in every game and the. Buckled when the offense couldn’t do anything late in games.
Agree with this, as the offense was anemic for the 1st half of the year leading to 1-7. DG jettisons pieces off the defense and with the season all but over, you see the defense collapse the second half of the year. Games in September and October count the same.
Let's say we land someone like Wilkins at 6, Bush at 17, and Winovich at 37. That's a darn nice start.
Some fans are really delusional about the state of our defense.
Looking at the draft, we can easily come up with 3 starters on defense if we focus on that. Add that to Golden, Peppers, Bethea and Beal and we are going to look a lot different and one can be optimistic. It may come down to rounds 4 through 6 to see if they can add some depth. (I left out round 3 as I think we add an OL and that would be a nice spot.)
Bethea/Peppers is going to improve coverage dramatically. I don’t think a secondary of Bethea, Peppers, Jenkins, Beal, Haley is the destitute wasteland some fear. Beal has a ton of talent, although I expect competition brought in. I do like Haley, a lot.
DL has 2 solid young players in Tomlinson/Hill. I’m fine with Ogletree and Carter at LB ...
A guy like Wilkins + Bush/Jaylon Ferguson and this defense has a lot of potential. This team gave away half of their games because of the defense, and this draft is beyond loaded with elite talent on that side of the ball. Address it, early and often.
Feed Barkley, continue to build the OL, improve the defense ... playoffs?
God forbid anybody gets hurt.
**newsflash** corners always get hurt
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I liked what I saw in the slot with Haley at CB ... Jenkins is fine. I expect a couple mid/late round DBs added.
Bethea/Peppers is going to improve coverage dramatically. I don’t think a secondary of Bethea, Peppers, Jenkins, Beal, Haley is the destitute wasteland some fear. Beal has a ton of talent, although I expect competition brought in. I do like Haley, a lot.
DL has 2 solid young players in Tomlinson/Hill. I’m fine with Ogletree and Carter at LB ...
A guy like Wilkins + Bush/Jaylon Ferguson and this defense has a lot of potential. This team gave away half of their games because of the defense, and this draft is beyond loaded with elite talent on that side of the ball. Address it, early and often.
Feed Barkley, continue to build the OL, improve the defense ... playoffs?
God forbid anybody gets hurt.
**newsflash** corners always get hurt
Especially Giants corners.
Don’t play WR, CB or LB for the Giants if you want to be healthy
Looking at the draft, we can easily come up with 3 starters on defense if we focus on that. Add that to Golden, Peppers, Bethea and Beal and we are going to look a lot different and one can be optimistic. It may come down to rounds 4 through 6 to see if they can add some depth. (I left out round 3 as I think we add an OL and that would be a nice spot.)
In the 2nd half of the year, they couldn't make the key stop many times. But in the first half the defense kept the game close but the offense never did anything. The only game was the Carolina game, when the refs screwed us and the kicker hit a 60+ yard fg.
Take the Rose color glasses off.
This is a 2 or 3 year build at minimum.
If we can stop the run....then there is hope that they can stop drives. 3rd and short is impossible to stop.
Preventing passes is far more complicated
Pressuring the passer
Covering WR
Covering RBs and TEs
Disrupting passing routes
Preventing QBs from extending plays and running for 1st downs
Corners- and a 3rd safety.
Say the draft breaks their way early
They take Allen at 6 and get a good corner at the top of the 2nd ... and get lucky and get a d linemen in middle rounds like hill that pans out.
The d would be moving in the right direction, but based on last year we are still making a lot of assumptions to believe this unit can be good- young with upside? Yes. But to be good one would assume carter and peppers make big leaps, beal is healthy, Tomlinson and hill improve, and the rookies play well. And the vets perform. I’m hopeful but also confident there are a ton of assumptions —- projecting the oline to be better and much improved is a much easier projection
Corners- and a 3rd safety.
Say the draft breaks their way early
They take Allen at 6 and get a good corner at the top of the 2nd ... and get lucky and get a d linemen in middle rounds like hill that pans out.
The d would be moving in the right direction, but based on last year we are still making a lot of assumptions to believe this unit can be good- young with upside? Yes. But to be good one would assume carter and peppers make big leaps, beal is healthy, Tomlinson and hill improve, and the rookies play well. And the vets perform. I’m hopeful but also confident there are a ton of assumptions —- projecting the oline to be better and much improved is a much easier projection
They don’t need all of that to field a good defense.
if Carter and Hill dont take another step- the pass rush struggles to improve. If peppers doesnt take a leap- hes not an improvement over collins. if they dont draft defense, they have no depth.
so yes they do need these things.... and yes they are all possible and I am hopeful... but I'm not going to just assume that a bad defense that swaps collins, snacks, and vernon for goulden, peppers and bethea is just naturally going to be a good defense.
it needs a bunch of things to happen
My point was that we have about three pieces currentlynon the team and adding heavy to it this year can turn a major liability into an excellent defense quickly.
My point was that we have about three pieces currentlynon the team and adding heavy to it this year can turn a major liability into an excellent defense quickly.
the team needs game wreckers. even nailing just one would be huge- currently there are some solid players but no game wreckers. hopefully at 6 they get one, or we see a guy like carter or peppers really take a leap and become one, or hill.
agree that a good draft moves this in the right direction but its still very much a work in progress
So you're saying if he hits on his defensive picks the defense will get worse?
2. No sophomore blues. No regression on the part of their second-year guys. Hill, Carter, McIntosh...even Beal.
3. Veterans can't coast. From new arrivals to players who have been around for a couple of years, show some pride, lead by example.
4. Stay healthy. The best ability and all that, especially for a team that lacks quality depth. Probably the most important factor for determining success or failure.
5. The offense needs to be more efficient. Running or passing, they need to move the chains, keep drives alive, and score TD's in the red zone. Do that, and you take a ton of pressure off your defense.
6. Special Teams must play well, punt and kick coverage specifically, and win the field position battle. Every little yard helps.