#Michigan DT Rashan Gary, one of the draft’s top defensive players, has a shoulder that was flagged, sources say. It’s a labral tear from college, and most believe he can play this season, then possibly have surgery afterward. It will likely have to be managed or harnessed, tho
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If he slides to 17.... you take him a second after Goodell reads the choice for 16.
Yeah would have been a huge mistake taking Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith... right?
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players in round 1 not a good idea.
Yeah would have been a huge mistake taking Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith... right?
Both Myles Jack and Jaylon Smith were NOT taken in Rd 1. Both were rd 2.
Wilkins will start at the 5 Tech from day 1. He will be a 3 down player
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In comment 14398793 XBRONX said:
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players in round 1 not a good idea.
Yeah would have been a huge mistake taking Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith... right?
Both Myles Jack and Jaylon Smith were NOT taken in Rd 1. Both were rd 2.
I know :)
He said it would be a mistake to take an injured player in round 1.... well it wouldn’t have been a mistake to take either of those players.
Dep, Myles Jack was taken in the 2nd round
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players in round 1 not a good idea.
Yeah would have been a huge mistake taking Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith... right?
Just because something happens to work out does not make it a good decision.
Dep, Myles Jack was taken in the 2nd round
I know. He should have been taken in the first...
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players in round 1 not a good idea.
Yeah would have been a huge mistake taking Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith... right?
The risk is insanely high regardless of the success stories. He’s off my board round 1 for sure.
Taking a player in RD1 who can’t play this season makes no sense to me.
Taking a player in RD1 who can’t play this season makes no sense to me.
They said he is going to play. Surgery after the year.
For a guy who was the top prospect out of high school in 2016 - and by a wide margin - Gary has not come close to living up to his five star hype. Even his agent dep would have to admit that in an honest moment...
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While it sounds like Gary still needs surgery.
Taking a player in RD1 who can’t play this season makes no sense to me.
They said he is going to play. Surgery after the year.
He struggled making plays in COLLEGE with a bum shoulder and dominate D around him. How is he going to do in the NFL with a bum shoulder?
If he slides to 17.... you take him a second after Goodell reads the choice for 16.
Wait, what? So you draft a guy with a preexisting condition at #17 and hope he doesn't damage it more before getting it fixed? Hell no... 2nd Rd, maybe but we need guys to produce immediately. I want no part of a guy who clearly is injured and will require surgery after the season. You already said his production was pretty low because of this injury and you expect him to play in the NFL with the same injury still, for his rookie season.
NO, NO and HELL NO!
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While it sounds like Gary still needs surgery.
Taking a player in RD1 who can’t play this season makes no sense to me.
They said he is going to play. Surgery after the year.
Nothing is guaranteed. Shaq Lawson entered the league with a similar injury. The intent was to play his rookie year and have surgery later. He re-aggravated the injury after being drafted and ended up having surgery missing most of his rookie season.
We know that you are a big proponent of Gary. But with the news of the injury, he is likely off team's boards in the top half of round 1. Some team will still take him, but a bad Giants team can't stake the future improvement on an injured player. The same rationale applies to Sweat with his heart condition. Just can't take the risk.
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players in round 1 not a good idea.
Yeah would have been a huge mistake taking Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith... right?
Just because something happens to work out does not make it a good decision.
Huh? Any draft pick is a gamble. If it worked out, it’s a good decision.
Gary to me is a big no no at #17 and possibly even at #37.
He struggled making plays in COLLEGE with a bum shoulder and dominate D around him. How is he going to do in the NFL with a bum shoulder?
How many games did you watch?
I was a proponent of taking both Jack and Smith as well. So this holds absolutely no water.
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People crying about production never understood the concept of how hurt he truly was.
If he slides to 17.... you take him a second after Goodell reads the choice for 16.
Wait, what? So you draft a guy with a preexisting condition at #17 and hope he doesn't damage it more before getting it fixed? Hell no... 2nd Rd, maybe but we need guys to produce immediately. I want no part of a guy who clearly is injured and will require surgery after the season. You already said his production was pretty low because of this injury and you expect him to play in the NFL with the same injury still, for his rookie season.
Why do we we need him to produce immediately. Are we contending for something?
You mean outside of his dominating sophomore year (wait, here comes the stats without context crowd).
Many fans here would still complain.
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there wouldn’t be an argument.
I was a proponent of taking both Jack and Smith as well. So this holds absolutely no water.
Both were better players and better NFL prospects. It holds a lot of water.
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People crying about production never understood the concept of how hurt he truly was.
If he slides to 17.... you take him a second after Goodell reads the choice for 16.
Wait, what? So you draft a guy with a preexisting condition at #17 and hope he doesn't damage it more before getting it fixed? Hell no... 2nd Rd, maybe but we need guys to produce immediately. I want no part of a guy who clearly is injured and will require surgery after the season. You already said his production was pretty low because of this injury and you expect him to play in the NFL with the same injury still, for his rookie season.
Why do we we need him to produce immediately. Are we contending for something?
Yeah, I think that's the plan. Why else are we keeping Eli?
He probably should have gotten it done last August, but decided he wanted to play through the pain to help the team. I am sure there still will be posters who question his heart and desire though like it has repeatedly been said here.
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He struggled making plays in COLLEGE with a bum shoulder and dominate D around him. How is he going to do in the NFL with a bum shoulder?
How many games did you watch?
I've read the draft write-ups on him. But I suppose you know more then the draft guys do.
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there wouldn’t be an argument.
I was a proponent of taking both Jack and Smith as well. So this holds absolutely no water.
Both were better players and better NFL prospects. It holds a lot of water.
Gary has been talked about as a top 5 prospect as soon as he entered college and was still being talked up during his junior season as a potential top 3 pick. So, I am not sure how much better you can get than that.
I've read the draft write-ups on him. But I suppose you know more then the draft guys do.
Oh I am glad you read write ups on him. And most draft guys still had him as a consensus top 10 pick even with an inured plaque junior year.
Yeah, I think that's the plan. Why else are we keeping Eli?
Because management still thinks he is good?
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Yeah, I think that's the plan. Why else are we keeping Eli?
Because management still thinks he is good?
Right. Just not good enough to win though? I mean you just said we aren’t going anywhere so why wouldn’t we move on?
This whole thing is weird. You are getting super defensive about not taking a Michigan player with very legitimate concerns who’s also not even the top prospect at his position. You are responding to people like theirs no risk at all. It’s bizarre.
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In comment 14398793 XBRONX said:
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players in round 1 not a good idea.
Yeah would have been a huge mistake taking Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith... right?
Just because something happens to work out does not make it a good decision.
Huh? Any draft pick is a gamble. If it worked out, it’s a good decision.
That is true, just like any time you drive is a gamble. Driving drunk isnt a good decision just because you made it home safely. It is a lucky decision. There is a difference between lucky and good.
I like Gary but every player carries risk and shoulder problems with a man who generates his kind of power carries more risk. The more risk the less draft resources we should use. #17 is a bit too much for a guy who will need surgery, IMO.
Gary is off the charts with every other box you need to check.
Athleticism/strength
Football Character/Motor
Off field character
Scheme Diverse
But so were Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack and they both went in the 2nd. That said, I am not a doctor so I am not going to compare their injuries with Gary's. Maybe his is less severe but I do know he personifies speed to power and it seems to me that this type of play puts a crazy amount of pressure on that shoulder.
Right. Just not good enough to win though? I mean you just said we aren’t going anywhere so why wouldn’t we move on?
This whole thing is weird. You are getting super defensive about not taking a Michigan player with very legitimate concerns who’s also not even the top prospect at his position. You are responding to people like theirs no risk at all. It’s bizarre.
No what I am doing is hoping that a top prospect falling to us at 17 is really good value and worth taking since the injury is not a career threatening one. What I think is weird is people creating false narratives about a player when they have openly admitted they never even watched him play.
But yet this was somehow turned into Eli Manning, which is the weird thing.
Do that for a 1st rounder, and they will sharpen the pitchfork to the extent that the finely chiseled point snaps off in the gut.
Do that for a 1st rounder, and they will sharpen the pitchfork to the extent that the finely chiseled point snaps off in the gut.
I think BBI has lost its collective mind. Draft needs to end.
Cool post, yo.
I even saw Daniel Jones play live a couple times this year and I think he'll be a bust. I think Gary will be a William Joseph type.
But what the fuck do I know.
I will say this - when somebody gets into Duke Johnson mode on any draftee, it always seems a little bizarre to me.
Flashbacks to Sean Bennett and Jonah Seawright.....
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Right. Just not good enough to win though? I mean you just said we aren’t going anywhere so why wouldn’t we move on?
This whole thing is weird. You are getting super defensive about not taking a Michigan player with very legitimate concerns who’s also not even the top prospect at his position. You are responding to people like theirs no risk at all. It’s bizarre.
No what I am doing is hoping that a top prospect falling to us at 17 is really good value and worth taking since the injury is not a career threatening one. What I think is weird is people creating false narratives about a player when they have openly admitted they never even watched him play.
But yet this was somehow turned into Eli Manning, which is the weird thing.
It is weird, and it was only brought up because you said we aren't contending this year like its some reason we shouldn't care about a 1st rounder being injured.
I don't think Gary sucks, I think the risk sucks. I think there will be comparable players available around 17 depending on how the chips fall. I'd rather invest in a player with a cleaner injury history and that isn't an unreasonable position to take.