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Rashan Gary still has labral tear in shoulder

jlukes : 4/23/2019 7:17 am
#Michigan DT Rashan Gary, one of the draft’s top defensive players, has a shoulder that was flagged, sources say. It’s a labral tear from college, and most believe he can play this season, then possibly have surgery afterward. It will likely have to be managed or harnessed, tho

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The funny thing is  
dep026 : 4/23/2019 8:51 am : link
I rather Q. WIlliams, Allen, and Oliver over him at #6 - but I just think he is going to be a really good player in the league and if the Giants were to get him, they would be quite happy with him. ANd if he were to somehow slip to 17 - it would be an easy choice to make. Even with the injury.
Dep you've convinced me, Gary at 6 makes sense, and  
MM_in_NYC : 4/23/2019 8:54 am : link
now that this news proves he was so injured we should trade up and guarantee we get him in top 5! He was probably playing with a hidden injury in 2017 and 2016 too! Can't miss!
RE: Dep you've convinced me, Gary at 6 makes sense, and  
dep026 : 4/23/2019 8:56 am : link
In comment 14398966 MM_in_NYC said:
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now that this news proves he was so injured we should trade up and guarantee we get him in top 5! He was probably playing with a hidden injury in 2017 and 2016 too! Can't miss!


You know how I apologized for calling you a dupe. Please let me rescind that. Its obvious you are Goblue65999. Sad human being you are. Cant wait until your next dupe.
RE: Dep you've convinced me, Gary at 6 makes sense, and  
Giantz_comeback : 4/23/2019 9:00 am : link
In comment 14398966 MM_in_NYC said:
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now that this news proves he was so injured we should trade up and guarantee we get him in top 5! He was probably playing with a hidden injury in 2017 and 2016 too! Can't miss!


No way do you take a guy that high at 6 that is very unnatural as a pass rusher. His lack of bend is clear throughout all 3 years. Some guys just aren't natural pass rushers. Q Williams is and he showed it in his first year of extensive play time. Gary hasn't. He'll probably end up a solid player (hes an athletic marvel and good run stopper) but not a player you take all the way at 6.
RE: Even when Gary’s been healthy...  
Giantz_comeback : 4/23/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14398852 bw in dc said:
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his production hasn’t been earth shattering.

For a guy who was the top prospect out of high school in 2016 - and by a wide margin - Gary has not come close to living up to his five star hype. Even his agent dep would have to admit that in an honest moment...


Injured or not you havent seen the most impactful facet of pss rush really at an elite level. The flashes were based on HWS not really nuance, technique or bending the arc well.
Didn't Dave Te state this at least a week ago?  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 4/23/2019 9:05 am : link
both in a thread and on one of his podcasts. He said Gary was flagged by multiple teams and that the shoulder didn't pass the snuff test.

Don't know if this team has the guts to take another player who may need surgery, even at 17.
With  
AcidTest : 4/23/2019 9:06 am : link
this latest information, I wouldn't take him at #17. This team has too many holes to take that kind of risk in the first round.
Gary's "great" year  
XBRONX : 4/23/2019 9:14 am : link
was supposedly 2017. He had 5.5 sacks. I know the excuse for low sacks was, that wasn't his role. He was to set the edge. Well what was his role on third and long? Of his big 5.5 sacks, how many were straight up beating the OT with power or speed move?
RE: Gary's  
Giantz_comeback : 4/23/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14399028 XBRONX said:
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was supposedly 2017. He had 5.5 sacks. I know the excuse for low sacks was, that wasn't his role. He was to set the edge. Well what was his role on third and long? Of his big 5.5 sacks, how many were straight up beating the OT with power or speed move?


Exactly. He is a better more athletic version of Kerry Wynn. You don't take that at 6.
RE: Gary's  
dep026 : 4/23/2019 9:24 am : link
In comment 14399028 XBRONX said:
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was supposedly 2017. He had 5.5 sacks. I know the excuse for low sacks was, that wasn't his role. He was to set the edge. Well what was his role on third and long? Of his big 5.5 sacks, how many were straight up beating the OT with power or speed move?


JJ Watt's season high in college was 7. He turned out ok :)
dep  
Kyle in NY : 4/23/2019 9:27 am : link
until the injuries hit in his junior season were you 100% satisfied with what Michigan got from Gary considering the expectations coming out of high school?
RE: RE: Dep you've convinced me, Gary at 6 makes sense, and  
MM_in_NYC : 4/23/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14398974 dep026 said:
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now that this news proves he was so injured we should trade up and guarantee we get him in top 5! He was probably playing with a hidden injury in 2017 and 2016 too! Can't miss!



You know how I apologized for calling you a dupe. Please let me rescind that. Its obvious you are Goblue65999. Sad human being you are. Cant wait until your next dupe.


Perfect! And that must make you Gary’s father.
RE: dep  
dep026 : 4/23/2019 9:37 am : link
In comment 14399078 Kyle in NY said:
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until the injuries hit in his junior season were you 100% satisfied with what Michigan got from Gary considering the expectations coming out of high school?


See here's the thing about expectations.... the Michigan defense's his freshman and sophomore years were light years better than what they had last year. It wasnt even close as far as talent was concerned.

Freshman year he didnt play as much as I liked, but they had Taco, Wormley, Gary, and Chase that all were doing their thing. That was the team I thought I had a real shot at the BCS but the early loss to Utah, the inexplicable loss to Iowa, and the referees handing OSU the win (haha, you know I wouldnt let you forget that one!!!)

His sophomore year, I thought he was amazing. Again, I point out the success everyone had one the team. 6 players with 10+ TFL, 6 players with 5 sacks or more. Just watch the film, they dont even bother running at him for most of the game. Watch how many times he coems down the line for a tackle. Or keeps contain. He was very, very good. He opened lanes for blitzers. Hudson was amazing in 2017 because he had a lot of free reigns. Bush as well. McCary who might be slower than you and I, even had a lot of success getting through gaps.

When people say his stats sucked, well go look at the opportunities he opened for his teammates, because that was his job. And let not act like he didnt get penetration, because he did - the problem was he played with so many good player - they often beat him by a split second.
RE: RE: RE: Dep you've convinced me, Gary at 6 makes sense, and  
dep026 : 4/23/2019 9:38 am : link
In comment 14399107 MM_in_NYC said:
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Perfect! And that must make you Gary’s father.


Is this suppose to be funny?
Quinnen Williams  
TommyWiseau : 4/23/2019 9:40 am : link
Or Allen at 6, Bush at 17 and Gary at 37 if he falls. Revamped defense
If you want injured players  
Carl in CT : 4/23/2019 9:41 am : link
Isn’t that DT from Miss state a top five pick if healthy? Grab him later.
I still like Gary a lot  
ryanmkeane : 4/23/2019 9:41 am : link
if he's there at 17 I think we may take him
RE: I still like Gary a lot  
Giantz_comeback : 4/23/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14399121 ryanmkeane said:
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if he's there at 17 I think we may take him


Depending on who's there at 17 may not be horrible. Like Jack and Jaylon you could see him drop out of first round entirely depending on prognosis.
RE: Jack played his rookie year  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/23/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14398847 RobCarpenter said:
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While it sounds like Gary still needs surgery.

Taking a player in RD1 who can’t play this season makes no sense to me.

I expect that one of our RD1 picks will not play this season, by design. It would be frustrating if the other brand new RD1 toy also sits out 2019.
RE: RE: Dep's defense of Gary  
FrankieR : 4/23/2019 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14398951 dep026 said:
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is reaching Top 5 BBI Draft Crush status



Cool post, yo.


Dude....it is baffling how you can defend your stance on this. Holy shit.

BBI: No production his last year of ball.

dep: "He was hurt."

BBI: Drafting him in the 1st round would be irresponsible because of the uncertainty of his injury (labrum is not good when ypu play his position).

dep: "Other good players were hurt and drafted very high"

BBI: There are exceptions to the rule.

dep: "Cool story bro"

RE: I think Gary will be a good pro  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/23/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14398815 Rjanyg said:
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But it think Wilkins is a better fit for our defense. Wilkins can play anywhere on the line, he is both a good pass rusher and run defender. He is healthy.

Wilkins will start at the 5 Tech from day 1. He will be a 3 down player


Not a good run defender according to just about everybody.
RE: RE: RE: Dep's defense of Gary  
dep026 : 4/23/2019 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14399821 FrankieR said:
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In comment 14398942 jlukes said:


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is reaching Top 5 BBI Draft Crush status



Cool post, yo.



Dude....it is baffling how you can defend your stance on this. Holy shit.

BBI: No production his last year of ball.

dep: "He was hurt."

BBI: Drafting him in the 1st round would be irresponsible because of the uncertainty of his injury (labrum is not good when ypu play his position).

dep: "Other good players were hurt and drafted very high"

BBI: There are exceptions to the rule.

dep: "Cool story bro"


It’s tough to keep up with dupes. Which one are you again?
RE: Quinnen Williams  
Giantz_comeback : 4/23/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14399115 TommyWiseau said:
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Or Allen at 6, Bush at 17 and Gary at 37 if he falls. Revamped defense


Gary at 37 is worth it because of his high floor as a run defender and HWS is off the charts. Not at 6 and meh at 17.
RE: RE: Gary's  
Giantz_comeback : 4/23/2019 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14399072 dep026 said:
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was supposedly 2017. He had 5.5 sacks. I know the excuse for low sacks was, that wasn't his role. He was to set the edge. Well what was his role on third and long? Of his big 5.5 sacks, how many were straight up beating the OT with power or speed move?



JJ Watt's season high in college was 7. He turned out ok :)


JJ showed alot more flashes of nuanced ability and hand technique to win in the pass rush than Gary ever did.
RE: RE: Quinnen Williams  
dep026 : 4/23/2019 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14399843 Giantz_comeback said:
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Or Allen at 6, Bush at 17 and Gary at 37 if he falls. Revamped defense



Gary at 37 is worth it because of his high floor as a run defender and HWS is off the charts. Not at 6 and meh at 17.


I think 17 is worth the risk. It’s a very treatable injury. I tore my labrum playing college baseball and was back throwing full strength in 3 months.
RE: RE: RE: Quinnen Williams  
Giantz_comeback : 4/23/2019 9:43 pm : link
In comment 14399848 dep026 said:
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Or Allen at 6, Bush at 17 and Gary at 37 if he falls. Revamped defense



Gary at 37 is worth it because of his high floor as a run defender and HWS is off the charts. Not at 6 and meh at 17.



I think 17 is worth the risk. It’s a very treatable injury. I tore my labrum playing college baseball and was back throwing full strength in 3 months.


17 is much more palatable than 6.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Dep's defense of Gary  
FrankieR : 4/23/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14399837 dep026 said:
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In comment 14398951 dep026 said:


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In comment 14398942 jlukes said:


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is reaching Top 5 BBI Draft Crush status



Cool post, yo.



Dude....it is baffling how you can defend your stance on this. Holy shit.

BBI: No production his last year of ball.

dep: "He was hurt."

BBI: Drafting him in the 1st round would be irresponsible because of the uncertainty of his injury (labrum is not good when ypu play his position).

dep: "Other good players were hurt and drafted very high"

BBI: There are exceptions to the rule.

dep: "Cool story bro"




It’s tough to keep up with dupes. Which one are you again?


Im not a dupe. I just have watched you get ridiculed for your rants for a few years now. I signed up recently because I was intrigued with this draft.

But keep calling me a dupe. If I stick around for another year, do I get my BBI Tenderfoot badge? And havent you been banned before?

Dont be mad at me because I just started responding....maybe come with better material?
So a poster reads the board for years....  
dep026 : 4/24/2019 6:36 am : link
Decide to sign up out of the blue.... knows stuff all posters have posted in the past and claims not to be a dupe.

You’re as much of a dupe as I’m an eli fan. This poster has The Jake written all over it.
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