Haskins vs top 12 defenses

but the biggest question with Haskins is how his game can translate to the NFL. He's a statue back there, due in large part to great protection in front of him, and when ANY QB has the time he has to throw it, against ANYONE, they're gonna put up numbers like those. Realize all D1 talent does NOT translate to the level of talent in the NFL, so these numbers are skewed to some extent.

I've never been a fan, I say pass!

Yo.

pass

we may regret it in a few years. Just a gut feeling, I’m no expert by any means.

He is not a mobile quarterback. I get that. But he is an athlete, and more than capable of creating plays by buying time

In comment 14398785 dep026 said:

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Yo.

Cool post.

Did anybody say this about mayfield when he played behind a wall? Or about Kyler behind a similar offensive line. What about tua playing behind those bama guys. The thing with Haskins is, from what I’ve seen, he doesn’t throw people open. He throws to open passing lanes. He also has a funny throwing motion with a hitch. He kind of pushes the ball and has a lot of weight on a stiff front leg. His whole mechanics to me are awful but hey, it worked for Philip Rivers

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In comment 14398785 dep026 said: Quote: Yo. Cool post.

Do you recall how many people were injured for Michigan? And do you know how bad MSU was last year? Michigan state doesn’t really face quality QBs.... but I am sure you knew that.

He has ALL DAY to throw the ball and guys were Wide open. Kind of like Murray.
I'm sure he was under pressure at times and made some good plays, but it is easier to play QB when you are standing there looking for open guys.

I'm not saying he won't be a good NFL QB, I'm just saying take those stats with a large grain of salt.

is the reason why the Giants don't want anything to do with Haskins regardless of the prospect of new sponsors from Jenny Craig or Weight Watchers.

... but did not pressure him. The knock on him is against pressure. Look at the Penn State game.

But you can do this (pick them apart) with every QB, every draft. I am not enamored with any QB this draft (except Murray). He is not even my 2nd favorite QB in this draft, I want defense at 6... but that said if the Giants take him (wherever) I will root for the pick.

But still want to get as much help for now.

As long as, Eli is our best option...that is how I feel.

In comment 14398802 dep026 said:

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In comment 14398795 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14398785 dep026 said: Quote: Yo. Cool post. Do you recall how many people were injured for Michigan? And do you know how bad MSU was last year? Michigan state doesn’t really face quality QBs.... but I am sure you knew that.

Michigan States defense played very well at the end of the season.

In comment 14398791 Vin_Cuccs said:

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He is not a mobile quarterback. I get that. But he is an athlete, and more than capable of creating plays by buying time

It's a diminishing skill as time goes by in the NFL. So if he's as immobile as he is now, at 21 years old, we are likely talking Kerry Collins-level statuesque in 4 or 5 years.

Threw threw for 114 TDs/42 Ints in College

Tim Tebow 88 TDs and 16 Ints.

Translation...Who cares what they did in college.

That said, it says something great about Haskins ability to play against top competition but it is a team sport.

In comment 14398835 Diver_Down said:

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is the reason why the Giants don't want anything to do with Haskins regardless of the prospect of new sponsors from Jenny Craig or Weight Watchers.

A picture of Jamarcus Russell comes to mind.

Puts the ball exactly on the numbers i stride. I hate that he is a porker. He can manage the weight and maneuver while he is young but later it will be a problem. Then again think Sonny Jurgenson

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In comment 14398835 Diver_Down said: Quote: is the reason why the Giants don't want anything to do with Haskins regardless of the prospect of new sponsors from Jenny Craig or Weight Watchers. A picture of Jamarcus Russell comes to mind.

I think Haskins has a "gut" feeling too, or maybe its a feeling in his gut

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I just checked the box score and dont see whats impressive about it. I know stats dont tell the story.... but I must be misisng something?

almost everyone is set in their opinions about Jones, Haskins, etc.

Why bother them with facts?

For Haskins, the talent around him is a negative and used to downplay his ability as a passer.

For Jones, the lack of talent is an excuse to why he didn't put up great numbers and used to show his toughness.

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For Haskins, the talent around him is a negative and used to downplay his ability as a passer. For Jones, the lack of talent is an excuse to why he didn't put up great numbers and used to show his toughness.

Yea and gotta love the people who say "but Jones faced more adversity so that's why he'll succeed in the NFL." As if actual production and winning count for nothing!

In comment 14399546 PatersonPlank said:

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In comment 14399216 Gman11 said: Quote: In comment 14398835 Diver_Down said: Quote: is the reason why the Giants don't want anything to do with Haskins regardless of the prospect of new sponsors from Jenny Craig or Weight Watchers. A picture of Jamarcus Russell comes to mind. I think Haskins has a "gut" feeling too, or maybe its a feeling in his gut

Probably the sack of White Castle churning...

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In comment 14399602 Stupendamatic said: Quote: For Haskins, the talent around him is a negative and used to downplay his ability as a passer. For Jones, the lack of talent is an excuse to why he didn't put up great numbers and used to show his toughness. Yea and gotta love the people who say "but Jones faced more adversity so that's why he'll succeed in the NFL." As if actual production and winning count for nothing!

Give me soem Tim Tebow, Colt McCoy, Vince Young, and Sam Bradford baby!

are without a doubt picking Haskins on Thursday at 6, and don't buy the smokescreens about defense and Daniel Jones.

and OSU was more talented then all 3 of them.

So yes, he shredded them. But pray explain his performance against Purdue.

game. His WR's dropped like 3-4 catchable touchdowns. He kept them in that game and actually did well in the face of adversity. If he's the pick I'd have no problem with it and it's funny to me that some people have such an axe to grind 1 way or the other. Just about any QB that doesn't go #1 overall has flaws - or else they would go #1 overall, like Luck. Even Peyton had flaws that got nitpicked and had people claiming Leaf was the better player. Honestly, there was a pretty sizable RG3 contingent over Luck too.

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For Haskins, the talent around him is a negative and used to downplay his ability as a passer. For Jones, the lack of talent is an excuse to why he didn't put up great numbers and used to show his toughness.

What is funny about the fact that 1 immobile option dumped off short passes to Paris Campbell and 2 other NFL WRs and watched them do the work while the other QB was either under pressure every snap or delivered balls that were dropped left and right?

None of this is false or "an excuse".

What about these highlights from Haskins is impressive? The fact he didn't screw up?


Haskins ... or Campbell? - ( New Window )

In comment 14399917 GothamGiants said:

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In comment 14399602 Stupendamatic said: Quote: For Haskins, the talent around him is a negative and used to downplay his ability as a passer. For Jones, the lack of talent is an excuse to why he didn't put up great numbers and used to show his toughness. What is funny about the fact that 1 immobile option dumped off short passes to Paris Campbell and 2 other NFL WRs and watched them do the work while the other QB was either under pressure every snap or delivered balls that were dropped left and right? None of this is false or "an excuse". What about these highlights from Haskins is impressive? The fact he didn't screw up? Haskins ... or Campbell? - ( New Window )

GG two questions: which games' every throw tapes of Haskins have you watched? Could you please list them?

Which Buckeyes games of 2018 did you watch live? Be honest.

Very important in today's NFL. Exactly why Baker went number one last year. If you don't think OU had open receivers running around as well, you'd be mistaken.

In comment 14399935 BlueLou'sBack said:

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In comment 14399917 GothamGiants said: Quote: In comment 14399602 Stupendamatic said: Quote: For Haskins, the talent around him is a negative and used to downplay his ability as a passer. For Jones, the lack of talent is an excuse to why he didn't put up great numbers and used to show his toughness. What is funny about the fact that 1 immobile option dumped off short passes to Paris Campbell and 2 other NFL WRs and watched them do the work while the other QB was either under pressure every snap or delivered balls that were dropped left and right? None of this is false or "an excuse". What about these highlights from Haskins is impressive? The fact he didn't screw up? Haskins ... or Campbell? - ( New Window ) GG two questions: which games' every throw tapes of Haskins have you watched? Could you please list them? Which Buckeyes games of 2018 did you watch live? Be honest.

I watch the players before I comment. Watched Michigan live (on TV - brother in law Michifan fan, best friend's fam big OSU fans) if that counts ... and I've watched the "every throw tapes" on Youtube vs WAS, MICH, PENN ST

I have done a lot of "work" on him, with an open mind, to try and get excited by him ... I see nothing special and an elite supporting cast grossly inflating his statistics.

I actually became a huge fan of Paris Campbell after diving more into Haskins ... Haskins is my only "remote thrower" (metaphorically speaking) at the moment.

I want nothing to do with him at 6.

defenses were ranked high. But were they actually good or beneficiaries of playing in a very down year in the B1G?

Outside of Ohio State, this wasn't a bumper crop of good offenses and offensive talent in the B1G. So I wouldn't give those ranking a lot of credibility.

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defenses were ranked high. But were they actually good or beneficiaries of playing in a very down year in the B1G? Outside of Ohio State, this wasn't a bumper crop of good offenses and offensive talent in the B1G. So I wouldn't give those ranking a lot of credibility.

Remember that Bush, Gary, winovich, and hill were all banged up against OSU. Gary and winovich shouldn’t have played.

In comment 14400035 dep026 said:

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In comment 14400024 bw in dc said: Quote: defenses were ranked high. But were they actually good or beneficiaries of playing in a very down year in the B1G? Outside of Ohio State, this wasn't a bumper crop of good offenses and offensive talent in the B1G. So I wouldn't give those ranking a lot of credibility. Remember that Bush, Gary, winovich, and hill were all banged up against OSU. Gary and winovich shouldn’t have played.

Well, let's be honest. That game wasn't Don Brown's most glowing moment from a strategy standpoint.

...he threw 39 TD's.

Haskins shredded it, absolutely destroyed it. He threw 50, and he did it without a running game. That's 25% more for crissake.

I've said for a while I don't know what the Giants are going to do at #6 but it wouldn't surprise or dismay me in the least if they select him.

In comment 14398779 Allen in CNJ said:

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but the biggest question with Haskins is how his game can translate to the NFL. He's a statue back there, due in large part to great protection in front of him, and when ANY QB has the time he has to throw it, against ANYONE, they're gonna put up numbers like those. Realize all D1 talent does NOT translate to the level of talent in the NFL, so these numbers are skewed to some extent. I've never been a fan, I say pass!

I think it's fair to say that you don't like the guy or suspect he won't make it, but I don't really get the "statue" claim that is repeatedly made about him. I know his 40 time wasn't good, but everything I've seen about him shows he has good pocket awareness and mobility in the pocket. Maybe I'm missing the plays where he just folds like a statue. I don't know.

Meanwhile, I give you an example of him NOT looking like a statue - his pocket awareness and scrambling ability while keeping his eyes downfield to make a play look exactly like what I want out of an NFL QB.

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...he threw 39 TD's. Haskins shredded it, absolutely destroyed it. He threw 50, and he did it without a running game. That's 25% more for crissake. I've said for a while I don't know what the Giants are going to do at #6 but it wouldn't surprise or dismay me in the least if they select him.

Ron Dayne for a lot of yards in college too ... I couldn’t care less about college stats

Please watch this video, if you have time, and tell me how many throws you honestly find impressive? Impressive meaning “wow I hope we land this guy”.

I’m trying, really hard, to find a way to get excited by Haskins ... how many of those TDs would you actually consider impressive ?

There’s quite a few glorified handoffs that go in his stat column, especially in the red zone (when he’s not hitting wide open targets there too)
Haskins - ( New Window )

In comment 14400236 GothamGiants said:

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In comment 14400105 Torrag said: Quote: ...he threw 39 TD's. Haskins shredded it, absolutely destroyed it. He threw 50, and he did it without a running game. That's 25% more for crissake. I've said for a while I don't know what the Giants are going to do at #6 but it wouldn't surprise or dismay me in the least if they select him. Ron Dayne for a lot of yards in college too ... I couldn’t care less about college stats Please watch this video, if you have time, and tell me how many throws you honestly find impressive? Impressive meaning “wow I hope we land this guy”. I’m trying, really hard, to find a way to get excited by Haskins ... how many of those TDs would you actually consider impressive ? There’s quite a few glorified handoffs that go in his stat column, especially in the red zone (when he’s not hitting wide open targets there too) Haskins - ( New Window )

I'm watching it right now - first TD was thirty yards on a rope into tight coverage - looks like an NFL caliber throw to me, not a "glorified handoff".

I will post a comment for passes that are impressive, but remember these are just the TD's.

a wheel route - relies on timing, accuracy and placement. 20 yds in the air, perfectly delivered a very catchable ball the runner catches in stride.

Very nice throw IMO.

(although I don't know why that should be held against him - the offense had to get into the red zone - right?)

Anyway, #10 is a beautiful perfectly placed ball 47 yards in the air. Perfect NFL-caliber throw with touch.

perfectly thrown 47 yards in the air TD pass. Excellent accuracy, placement, very catchable ball.

people that never saw him play. 5 second 40, must be a non athlete.

back shoulder 32 yds in the air - nice downfield pass put it in a spot the receiver could make a play but the defender could not.

High quality throw.

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perfectly thrown 47 yards in the air TD pass. Excellent accuracy, placement, very catchable ball.

Thanks for watching ... looking forward to your final impression.

Mine: I want Paris Campbell, not Dwayne Haskins

perfectly thrown ball, perfectly placed, 50 yards in the air, great accuracy.

25 yds in the air, perfectly placed hits receiver in stride, walks in from there. Mid-range accuracy is on the money.

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(although I don't know why that should be held against him - the offense had to get into the red zone - right?) Anyway, #10 is a beautiful perfectly placed ball 47 yards in the air. Perfect NFL-caliber throw with touch.

It’s quite relevant when you realize how many of those TDs came from wide open dumpoffs or passes less than 10 yards where the WR did all the work after the catch

while not an amazing throw, more evidence that he is not a statue. Facing serious pressure moves around in the pocket and shows very good mobility keeping his eyes open downfield. Throws the ball on the move and hits his receiver. Of course the play made after the catch is even more impressive, but still a + in my opinion on Haskins here.

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25 yds in the air, perfectly placed hits receiver in stride, walks in from there. Mid-range accuracy is on the money.

7 throws out of 25 so far