“I don’t know if they’ve ever paid attention or seen him in person,” Cutcliffe said. “He’s got a really strong arm. He’s amazingly accurate. I do this for a living. I’d take 10 of him in a row if I could get ’em. Cutcliffe - ( New Window )
Don't find out much about a QB in Ohio State running up the score 76-3 against Gudger College. Can definitely get better tape with Jones surrounded by crap talent going against better teams.
The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
Come clean. After winning 2 SBs in 4 years, you were still knocking Eli. And Coughlin. You never liked either, so really, your opinion is disingenuous at best
I'm warming up on Jones. It's the reports about his toughness, accuracy, mobility, demeanor and work ethic (reported by others as well) that have me intrigued.
His arm strength is the one attribute that has been often questioned. If it is strong as Cutcliffe claims, then I'm all in. A big if...
RE: I have come around on Jones and will be fine Â
what this team wants to do on offense.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
EXACTLY...he may not be the most talented, in fact we can probably all agree that he is not - but I think he fits how DG sees this team coming together.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
what this team wants to do on offense.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
EXACTLY...he may not be the most talented, in fact we can probably all agree that he is not - but I think he fits how DG sees this team coming together.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
So then the rhetorical question is, If he fits, then do you risk losing him at 17? You either think this guy is your long term answer or you don’t.
Exactly. If the Giants like him, I don't see them waiting on him Â
The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
I finally figured bw out!! He's just a conspiratorial nutjob.
Afterall, he claims there was a mandate to keep Eli and build around him, which could just be contained within the walls of "Jints Central", but on Jones, not only are the Giants making "excuses" to justify Jones play, they now have a lot of national beat writers and draftniks doing it too!!
what this team wants to do on offense.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
Nor the 17th.
That’s the problem here. Value. Jones is a decent looking prospect with good coaching in a tough conference. There are really no plus attributes to his game. So he just seems better placed in the second day because he’s more project than guarantee.
I don't mean to down play intangibles, because they are important, obviously, but when you're making your case to hitch your franchise on a guy, that's not where I'm hoping the conversation starts. It's easy to sell people with Eli comparisons, but Jones is not Eli. Eli was the #1 pick in one of the strongest QB draft classes ever.
This is just my opinion. Jones feels closer to compromise than no guts no glory to me.
what this team wants to do on offense.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
EXACTLY...he may not be the most talented, in fact we can probably all agree that he is not - but I think he fits how DG sees this team coming together.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
You can't pick your franchise QB based on the RB you have. That one of the dumbest ways to build a team. As great a saquon is, he's still a RB. QBs will, hopefully, be leading your team for 15 years, running backs will be lucky to get 6 too tier years. You complement your QB with an RB, not the other way around.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
So then the rhetorical question is, If he fits, then do you risk losing him at 17? You either think this guy is your long term answer or you don’t.
That is the million dollar question and above my pay grade. I am going to sit back and enjoy being optimistic on whoever we pick.
But, if I am playing armchair GM...yes, I do take that risk bc it allows me to get an elite defensive player.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
So then the rhetorical question is, If he fits, then do you risk losing him at 17? You either think this guy is your long term answer or you don’t.
That is the million dollar question and above my pay grade. I am going to sit back and enjoy being optimistic on whoever we pick.
But, if I am playing armchair GM...yes, I do take that risk bc it allows me to get an elite defensive player.
Have people even watched Jones? Hes got the feet of a 10-year veteran. Hint: If youre a QB and everyone concedes you look like a Manning - thats perfect mechanics.
Im with Cutcliffe. Live arm.
Its just a shame this negative perception around Jones. Really shows a lack of comprehension.
Have people even watched Jones? Hes got the feet of a 10-year veteran. Hint: If youre a QB and everyone concedes you look like a Manning - thats perfect mechanics.
Im with Cutcliffe. Live arm.
Its just a shame this negative perception around Jones. Really shows a lack of comprehension.
Name me a QB without the last name Manning that Cutcliffe has put in the NFL and been successful.
what this team wants to do on offense.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
EXACTLY...he may not be the most talented, in fact we can probably all agree that he is not - but I think he fits how DG sees this team coming together.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
You can't pick your franchise QB based on the RB you have. That one of the dumbest ways to build a team. As great a saquon is, he's still a RB. QBs will, hopefully, be leading your team for 15 years, running backs will be lucky to get 6 too tier years. You complement your QB with an RB, not the other way around.
Totally disagree. Saquan is not an RB - he is an offensive weapon.
Teams with elite QBs win Super Bowls.
But so do good, smart QBs with great running games and excellent defenses.
Peyton in Denver
Elway
Early Tom Brady
Ben R (rookie year)
Flacco
Dilfer
Brad Johnson
The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
I finally figured bw out!! He's just a conspiratorial nutjob.
Afterall, he claims there was a mandate to keep Eli and build around him, which could just be contained within the walls of "Jints Central", but on Jones, not only are the Giants making "excuses" to justify Jones play, they now have a lot of national beat writers and draftniks doing it too!!
With all of this pull, Mara must be Illuminati??
Great evaluation!!!! Dude is delusional.
It blows my mind that any fan that watched the Giants def last year... Â
Don't find out much about a QB in Ohio State running up the score 76-3 against Gudger College. Can definitely get better tape with Jones surrounded by crap talent going against better teams.
I don't see Gudger College but do see Penn State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Iowa, TCU.
what this team wants to do on offense.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
EXACTLY...he may not be the most talented, in fact we can probably all agree that he is not - but I think he fits how DG sees this team coming together.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
You can't pick your franchise QB based on the RB you have. That one of the dumbest ways to build a team. As great a saquon is, he's still a RB. QBs will, hopefully, be leading your team for 15 years, running backs will be lucky to get 6 too tier years. You complement your QB with an RB, not the other way around.
Totally disagree. Saquan is not an RB - he is an offensive weapon.
Teams with elite QBs win Super Bowls.
But so do good, smart QBs with great running games and excellent defenses.
Peyton in Denver
Elway
Early Tom Brady
Ben R (rookie year)
Flacco
Dilfer
Brad Johnson
the list goes on.
Though no SB, Favre doesn’t come close to his 30 TD, 4 Int 2010(or something like that) without AP in Minny, imv
Did you watch the video of Eli throwing that was posted the other day? Daniel Jones can't make those throws in his wildest dreams.
I thought Eli looked really good in that video.
However, I havent ever questioned that he has throws left - he does.
The problem is that he needs things to be ideal/perfect in front of him and around his feet. He is a traffic cone back there. He is no longer the 2011 NFC Championship Game version of Eli.
what this team wants to do on offense.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
EXACTLY...he may not be the most talented, in fact we can probably all agree that he is not - but I think he fits how DG sees this team coming together.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
You can't pick your franchise QB based on the RB you have. That one of the dumbest ways to build a team. As great a saquon is, he's still a RB. QBs will, hopefully, be leading your team for 15 years, running backs will be lucky to get 6 too tier years. You complement your QB with an RB, not the other way around.
Totally disagree. Saquan is not an RB - he is an offensive weapon.
Teams with elite QBs win Super Bowls.
But so do good, smart QBs with great running games and excellent defenses.
Peyton in Denver
Elway
Early Tom Brady
Ben R (rookie year)
Flacco
Dilfer
Brad Johnson
the list goes on.
If you think your QB needs an all time defense to win, then he's not a first round QB though. Denver, Tampa, Baltimore (both times), and the Steelers had all-time great defenses. If you are banking on that, then Jones isn't worth a first round pick. If that's your strategy, use a first on building that all-time great defense. A QB taken in the first round skulls be expected to win games on his own in his career
Even at age 38, on the downslope of his career, Eli's arm is so far ahead of Jones' that it shows how silly these comparisons of Jones to the Mannings are.
Even at age 38, on the downslope of his career, Eli's arm is so far ahead of Jones' that it shows how silly these comparisons of Jones to the Mannings are.
Well his arm can get stronger.... but I do agree with the majority of what you wrote.
Some seem to not understand how historically terrible Duke has been Â
In the 4 years of Cutcliffe's predecessor Duke was 4-42 and 1-31 in ACC play. And in the 5 years during his predecessor's predecessor they were 10-48. Those are not typos. They had won 1 ACC game in 4 years. And those W/L records were not aberrations by Duke standards. They had 3 winless seasons between 2000-2007. Think about that. Zero bowl wins in the 55 seasons spanning 1961 - 2015 out of just 2 appearances.
Since 2008 under Cutcliffe they are:
67-72 (including 31 ACC games & in 2013 they actually won the coastal conf)
3-3 in bowl games, winning 3 in the last 4 years
nationally ranked in 4 of the last 6 years
The typical "everyone plays a bowl game!" doesn't even really hold any water since Duke was pretty much always under .500, which means even if there were always as many bowl games as there are now they still wouldn't have fared any better.
I am not a Duke fan but I root for an ACC team in the coastal and what Cutcliffe has done as a coach is impressive from an opposition pov. And he hasn't done it by all of sudden recruiting better players. They still get very few guys drafted - 5 in the last 10 years as a matter of fact, and 2 of them 7th rounders. He is just a solid, old school coach, especially of QBs - which is why Jones is going to be his 3rd in a row, from Duke, who will make it to an NFL roster. Dave Brown was literally the last Duke QB to make an NFL roster prior to Cutcliffe.
Totally disagree. Saquan is not an RB - he is an offensive weapon.
Teams with elite QBs win Super Bowls.
But so do good, smart QBs with great running games and excellent defenses.
Peyton in Denver
Elway
Early Tom Brady
Ben R (rookie year)
Flacco
Dilfer
Brad Johnson
the list goes on.
If you think your QB needs an all time defense to win, then he's not a first round QB though. Denver, Tampa, Baltimore (both times), and the Steelers had all-time great defenses. If you are banking on that, then Jones isn't worth a first round pick. If that's your strategy, use a first on building that all-time great defense. A QB taken in the first round skulls be expected to win games on his own in his career
Ugh, most of those guys were first round picks but not elite (at least not when they won those Super Bowls).
There is more than one way to build a Super Bowl caliber team and if you think very good, smart quarterbacking is worthy of a mid 1st round pick then we just disagree.
A good, smart QB can be a part of a SB winning team and is worth a mid 1st round pick especially if it is part of a bigger plan (great running game and defense).
And I'm not saying Jones isn't an NFL quarterback Â
But #6 overall? That's insane. He might be a decent caretaker-type starter who will play a smart, safe game and not lose you games with mistakes. I can't see him ever being the kind of QB who can put a team on his back and make big time throws to carry them to victory. Despite whatever criticisms I've made about Eli's periodic inconsistency and the fact that I think it's time to move on from him, one thing I will never deny is that, at his best, he could absolutely carry a team with his arm.
Totally disagree. Saquan is not an RB - he is an offensive weapon.
Teams with elite QBs win Super Bowls.
But so do good, smart QBs with great running games and excellent defenses.
Peyton in Denver
Elway
Early Tom Brady
Ben R (rookie year)
Flacco
Dilfer
Brad Johnson
the list goes on.
If you think your QB needs an all time defense to win, then he's not a first round QB though. Denver, Tampa, Baltimore (both times), and the Steelers had all-time great defenses. If you are banking on that, then Jones isn't worth a first round pick. If that's your strategy, use a first on building that all-time great defense. A QB taken in the first round skulls be expected to win games on his own in his career
Ugh, most of those guys were first round picks but not elite (at least not when they won those Super Bowls).
There is more than one way to build a Super Bowl caliber team and if you think very good, smart quarterbacking is worthy of a mid 1st round pick then we just disagree.
A good, smart QB can be a part of a SB winning team and is worth a mid 1st round pick especially if it is part of a bigger plan (great running game and defense).
I guess your and I just disagree with what should be expected from a first round franchise QB. I personally don't think that a great running game and great defense should be needed if you have a franchise QB. He should be able to cover up some flaws, ala Eli 2011. It's why franchise QBs are so valuable, they allow you more room for error elsewhere.
I agree there are other ways to build a Superbowl team, I just don't think a non-franchise QB is worth a 1st round pick. A guy who can't put the team on his back and make up for a mediocre defense and or running game time to time is just only worth so much in my book
will likely be too expensive to move up from #17 to take Jones. We'd have to get at least #9 IMO. That would take #37 and then some. Sure, you can trade day three picks to get back into the third round, but even then you won't be picking between #9 and say #75.
Why do some continue on with this weak arm crap. Its been Â
now stated by numerous experts (not media) that he has a good arm. Maybe you don't like his production at Duke, but drop the weak arm stuff just because you watched a youtube video. Also a hp does not mean he has a weak arm, Eli was hopping yesterday. Its a timing and mechanics thing.
I think we go defense at #6 and the TBD at #17 (could be Jones, an OL, someone who dropped suprisingly, etc.).
will likely be too expensive to move up from #17 to take Jones. We'd have to get at least #9 IMO. That would take #37 and then some. Sure, you can trade day three picks to get back into the third round, but even then you won't be picking between #9 and say #75.
I'm no draftnik, but I can't see Jones going top 10.
Of course the coach is going to prop up his guy.
I'm just not sure he's an NFL caliber passer.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
Would not expect his coach to say anything else though.
Come clean. After winning 2 SBs in 4 years, you were still knocking Eli. And Coughlin. You never liked either, so really, your opinion is disingenuous at best
His arm strength is the one attribute that has been often questioned. If it is strong as Cutcliffe claims, then I'm all in. A big if...
Would not expect his coach to say anything else though.
Yup, if he or Haskins are the pick, I’m all in. You either trust DG and Shurmur’s expertise on this or you don’t. Either opinion on them is fine.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
EXACTLY...he may not be the most talented, in fact we can probably all agree that he is not - but I think he fits how DG sees this team coming together.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
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what this team wants to do on offense.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
EXACTLY...he may not be the most talented, in fact we can probably all agree that he is not - but I think he fits how DG sees this team coming together.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
So then the rhetorical question is, If he fits, then do you risk losing him at 17? You either think this guy is your long term answer or you don’t.
Jones will win two Super Bowl MVPs as a Giant, and you'll disappear from this board again?
Sign me up!
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The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
Jones will win two Super Bowl MVPs as a Giant, and you'll disappear from this board again?
Sign me up!
That is beyond a mic drop..😂😂😂
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The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
Jones will win two Super Bowl MVPs as a Giant, and you'll disappear from this board again?
Sign me up!
I also see you like the Wellis Malaga Spa. Impressive
Jones will win two Super Bowl MVPs as a Giant, and you'll disappear from this board again?
Sign me up!
I must admit, that was funny.
I finally figured bw out!! He's just a conspiratorial nutjob.
Afterall, he claims there was a mandate to keep Eli and build around him, which could just be contained within the walls of "Jints Central", but on Jones, not only are the Giants making "excuses" to justify Jones play, they now have a lot of national beat writers and draftniks doing it too!!
With all of this pull, Mara must be Illuminati??
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
Nor the 17th.
That’s the problem here. Value. Jones is a decent looking prospect with good coaching in a tough conference. There are really no plus attributes to his game. So he just seems better placed in the second day because he’s more project than guarantee.
This is just my opinion. Jones feels closer to compromise than no guts no glory to me.
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what this team wants to do on offense.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
EXACTLY...he may not be the most talented, in fact we can probably all agree that he is not - but I think he fits how DG sees this team coming together.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
You can't pick your franchise QB based on the RB you have. That one of the dumbest ways to build a team. As great a saquon is, he's still a RB. QBs will, hopefully, be leading your team for 15 years, running backs will be lucky to get 6 too tier years. You complement your QB with an RB, not the other way around.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
So then the rhetorical question is, If he fits, then do you risk losing him at 17? You either think this guy is your long term answer or you don’t.
That is the million dollar question and above my pay grade. I am going to sit back and enjoy being optimistic on whoever we pick.
But, if I am playing armchair GM...yes, I do take that risk bc it allows me to get an elite defensive player.
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Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
So then the rhetorical question is, If he fits, then do you risk losing him at 17? You either think this guy is your long term answer or you don’t.
That is the million dollar question and above my pay grade. I am going to sit back and enjoy being optimistic on whoever we pick.
But, if I am playing armchair GM...yes, I do take that risk bc it allows me to get an elite defensive player.
Well, you and I can afford to be armchair-ers. :)
Im with Cutcliffe. Live arm.
Its just a shame this negative perception around Jones. Really shows a lack of comprehension.
Im with Cutcliffe. Live arm.
Its just a shame this negative perception around Jones. Really shows a lack of comprehension.
Name me a QB without the last name Manning that Cutcliffe has put in the NFL and been successful.
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what this team wants to do on offense.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
EXACTLY...he may not be the most talented, in fact we can probably all agree that he is not - but I think he fits how DG sees this team coming together.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
You can't pick your franchise QB based on the RB you have. That one of the dumbest ways to build a team. As great a saquon is, he's still a RB. QBs will, hopefully, be leading your team for 15 years, running backs will be lucky to get 6 too tier years. You complement your QB with an RB, not the other way around.
Totally disagree. Saquan is not an RB - he is an offensive weapon.
Teams with elite QBs win Super Bowls.
But so do good, smart QBs with great running games and excellent defenses.
Peyton in Denver
Elway
Early Tom Brady
Ben R (rookie year)
Flacco
Dilfer
Brad Johnson
the list goes on.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
6 no, 17 maybe...no trade up
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The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
I finally figured bw out!! He's just a conspiratorial nutjob.
Afterall, he claims there was a mandate to keep Eli and build around him, which could just be contained within the walls of "Jints Central", but on Jones, not only are the Giants making "excuses" to justify Jones play, they now have a lot of national beat writers and draftniks doing it too!!
With all of this pull, Mara must be Illuminati??
Great evaluation!!!! Dude is delusional.
I don't see Gudger College but do see Penn State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Iowa, TCU.
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what this team wants to do on offense.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
EXACTLY...he may not be the most talented, in fact we can probably all agree that he is not - but I think he fits how DG sees this team coming together.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
You can't pick your franchise QB based on the RB you have. That one of the dumbest ways to build a team. As great a saquon is, he's still a RB. QBs will, hopefully, be leading your team for 15 years, running backs will be lucky to get 6 too tier years. You complement your QB with an RB, not the other way around.
Totally disagree. Saquan is not an RB - he is an offensive weapon.
Teams with elite QBs win Super Bowls.
But so do good, smart QBs with great running games and excellent defenses.
Peyton in Denver
Elway
Early Tom Brady
Ben R (rookie year)
Flacco
Dilfer
Brad Johnson
the list goes on.
Though no SB, Favre doesn’t come close to his 30 TD, 4 Int 2010(or something like that) without AP in Minny, imv
I thought Eli looked really good in that video.
However, I havent ever questioned that he has throws left - he does.
The problem is that he needs things to be ideal/perfect in front of him and around his feet. He is a traffic cone back there. He is no longer the 2011 NFC Championship Game version of Eli.
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what this team wants to do on offense.
thats not a 6th pick reason to take him though- maybe at 17.
EXACTLY...he may not be the most talented, in fact we can probably all agree that he is not - but I think he fits how DG sees this team coming together.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
You can't pick your franchise QB based on the RB you have. That one of the dumbest ways to build a team. As great a saquon is, he's still a RB. QBs will, hopefully, be leading your team for 15 years, running backs will be lucky to get 6 too tier years. You complement your QB with an RB, not the other way around.
Totally disagree. Saquan is not an RB - he is an offensive weapon.
Teams with elite QBs win Super Bowls.
But so do good, smart QBs with great running games and excellent defenses.
Peyton in Denver
Elway
Early Tom Brady
Ben R (rookie year)
Flacco
Dilfer
Brad Johnson
the list goes on.
If you think your QB needs an all time defense to win, then he's not a first round QB though. Denver, Tampa, Baltimore (both times), and the Steelers had all-time great defenses. If you are banking on that, then Jones isn't worth a first round pick. If that's your strategy, use a first on building that all-time great defense. A QB taken in the first round skulls be expected to win games on his own in his career
Well his arm can get stronger.... but I do agree with the majority of what you wrote.
Since 2008 under Cutcliffe they are:
67-72 (including 31 ACC games & in 2013 they actually won the coastal conf)
3-3 in bowl games, winning 3 in the last 4 years
nationally ranked in 4 of the last 6 years
The typical "everyone plays a bowl game!" doesn't even really hold any water since Duke was pretty much always under .500, which means even if there were always as many bowl games as there are now they still wouldn't have fared any better.
I am not a Duke fan but I root for an ACC team in the coastal and what Cutcliffe has done as a coach is impressive from an opposition pov. And he hasn't done it by all of sudden recruiting better players. They still get very few guys drafted - 5 in the last 10 years as a matter of fact, and 2 of them 7th rounders. He is just a solid, old school coach, especially of QBs - which is why Jones is going to be his 3rd in a row, from Duke, who will make it to an NFL roster. Dave Brown was literally the last Duke QB to make an NFL roster prior to Cutcliffe.
Totally disagree. Saquan is not an RB - he is an offensive weapon.
Teams with elite QBs win Super Bowls.
But so do good, smart QBs with great running games and excellent defenses.
Peyton in Denver
Elway
Early Tom Brady
Ben R (rookie year)
Flacco
Dilfer
Brad Johnson
the list goes on.
If you think your QB needs an all time defense to win, then he's not a first round QB though. Denver, Tampa, Baltimore (both times), and the Steelers had all-time great defenses. If you are banking on that, then Jones isn't worth a first round pick. If that's your strategy, use a first on building that all-time great defense. A QB taken in the first round skulls be expected to win games on his own in his career
Ugh, most of those guys were first round picks but not elite (at least not when they won those Super Bowls).
There is more than one way to build a Super Bowl caliber team and if you think very good, smart quarterbacking is worthy of a mid 1st round pick then we just disagree.
A good, smart QB can be a part of a SB winning team and is worth a mid 1st round pick especially if it is part of a bigger plan (great running game and defense).
As each have different style.
As thickness of skin matters.
Also the intangible which is never easy to measure....
I like that Jones rarely make mistakes and can escape if needed
I like that Lock can fit ball in small spots and improvise
I love Murray quickness
I like Haskin pocket presence
At 6, i really rather a stud edge
At 17, I like them better but prefer a small trade down....
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I might still like Rosin more for the 37 pick
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Totally disagree. Saquan is not an RB - he is an offensive weapon.
Teams with elite QBs win Super Bowls.
But so do good, smart QBs with great running games and excellent defenses.
Peyton in Denver
Elway
Early Tom Brady
Ben R (rookie year)
Flacco
Dilfer
Brad Johnson
the list goes on.
If you think your QB needs an all time defense to win, then he's not a first round QB though. Denver, Tampa, Baltimore (both times), and the Steelers had all-time great defenses. If you are banking on that, then Jones isn't worth a first round pick. If that's your strategy, use a first on building that all-time great defense. A QB taken in the first round skulls be expected to win games on his own in his career
Ugh, most of those guys were first round picks but not elite (at least not when they won those Super Bowls).
There is more than one way to build a Super Bowl caliber team and if you think very good, smart quarterbacking is worthy of a mid 1st round pick then we just disagree.
A good, smart QB can be a part of a SB winning team and is worth a mid 1st round pick especially if it is part of a bigger plan (great running game and defense).
I guess your and I just disagree with what should be expected from a first round franchise QB. I personally don't think that a great running game and great defense should be needed if you have a franchise QB. He should be able to cover up some flaws, ala Eli 2011. It's why franchise QBs are so valuable, they allow you more room for error elsewhere.
I agree there are other ways to build a Superbowl team, I just don't think a non-franchise QB is worth a 1st round pick. A guy who can't put the team on his back and make up for a mediocre defense and or running game time to time is just only worth so much in my book
I think we go defense at #6 and the TBD at #17 (could be Jones, an OL, someone who dropped suprisingly, etc.).
I'm no draftnik, but I can't see Jones going top 10.
I think he will be there at 17