“I don’t know if they’ve ever paid attention or seen him in person,” Cutcliffe said. “He’s got a really strong arm. He’s amazingly accurate. I do this for a living. I’d take 10 of him in a row if I could get ’em. Cutcliffe - ( New Window )
The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
You make the same excuses for josh rosen at zona last year. Actually you make more excuses for rosen last year since he was fucking terrible. Rookie ? Sure. Bad team ? Sure. He was still terrible, both statistically and in the wins and losses column. Yet there is BW propping up rosen at every turn.
That’s called INCONSISTENCY.
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The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
You make the same excuses for josh rosen at zona last year. Actually you make more excuses for rosen last year since he was fucking terrible. Rookie ? Sure. Bad team ? Sure. He was still terrible, both statistically and in the wins and losses column. Yet there is BW propping up rosen at every turn.
That’s called INCONSISTENCY.
Yes but you didn't have to make those excuses for his college performance! Jones was a 3 year starter at Duke and not once elevated the play of his team. If you can't do that in college you sure as shit ain't doing it in the NFL. I don't believe anybody that actually watched his games believes that he's anything more than a day 3 pick. This has to all be smoke. Even the biggest die-hard homer Duke fans think this talk is insane!
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The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
You make the same excuses for josh rosen at zona last year. Actually you make more excuses for rosen last year since he was fucking terrible. Rookie ? Sure. Bad team ? Sure. He was still terrible, both statistically and in the wins and losses column. Yet there is BW propping up rosen at every turn.
That’s called INCONSISTENCY.
There’s a stark difference between being on a less talented team in the NFL than in college. In college every player you’re playing against isn’t playing in the NFL, so if you were a franchise QB you should be able to show that more often than not.
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The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
You make the same excuses for josh rosen at zona last year. Actually you make more excuses for rosen last year since he was fucking terrible. Rookie ? Sure. Bad team ? Sure. He was still terrible, both statistically and in the wins and losses column. Yet there is BW propping up rosen at every turn.
That’s called INCONSISTENCY.
Yes but you didn't have to make those excuses for his college performance! Jones was a 3 year starter at Duke and not once elevated the play of his team. If you can't do that in college you sure as shit ain't doing it in the NFL. I don't believe anybody that actually watched his games believes that he's anything more than a day 3 pick. This has to all be smoke. Even the biggest die-hard homer Duke fans think this talk is insane!
Not ONCE elevated the team of his play is a weird position to take. He played with zero draftable players. How many games would they have one without him?
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The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
You make the same excuses for josh rosen at zona last year. Actually you make more excuses for rosen last year since he was fucking terrible. Rookie ? Sure. Bad team ? Sure. He was still terrible, both statistically and in the wins and losses column. Yet there is BW propping up rosen at every turn.
That’s called INCONSISTENCY.
Yes but you didn't have to make those excuses for his college performance! Jones was a 3 year starter at Duke and not once elevated the play of his team. If you can't do that in college you sure as shit ain't doing it in the NFL. I don't believe anybody that actually watched his games believes that he's anything more than a day 3 pick. This has to all be smoke. Even the biggest die-hard homer Duke fans think this talk is insane!
Not ONCE elevated the team of his play is a weird position to take. He played with zero draftable players. How many games would they have one without him?
Not really...they were better the three years before he became their starting QB. Great college QB's almost always elevate the play of their teammates (and make them look better than they actually are). The fact that he didn't elevate the draft stock of any of his teammates says something in and of itself. He's not a starting caliber NFL QB...people are trying to make him one b/c he reminds them of Eli and he was coached by Dave Cutliffe. He's not good!
Gettleman will want to show everyone he is smarter than they are by taking Jones with pick #6. He knows he will be killed for it - he WANTS to be killed for it. He will say that when you believe in someone you get him. He will refer to the Phil Simms pick and the Manning trade. He will say that Jones is the reason they did not take a QB last year. The more I think about it the more I think that he will be the pick.
I don't mind Jones. There is something to be said for hanging in there in tough circumstances vs. the guy who is rarely hit and wins 70-3. IMO Many of the USC QBs failed in the NFL because they never had adversity in college.
I just think we should get him at "fair value". I think a trade down from 6 to draft an OT and Jones in round #1, and go defense the rest of the way might be a good scenario. That said, I won't be disappointed if we miss out on Jones.
Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
So then the rhetorical question is, If he fits, then do you risk losing him at 17? You either think this guy is your long term answer or you don’t.
That is the million dollar question and above my pay grade. I am going to sit back and enjoy being optimistic on whoever we pick.
But, if I am playing armchair GM...yes, I do take that risk bc it allows me to get an elite defensive player.
There is something to be said for hanging in there in tough circumstances vs. the guy who is rarely hit and wins 70-3. IMO Many of the USC QBs failed in the NFL because they never had adversity in college.
Using this logic let's just take the college QB who sucked the most and faced the most adversity in college b/c of it since they're the ones who know how to work through it. Sounds like a smart plan instead of taking the guy with the most talent who actually lead his team to a good record and bowl games.
There is something to be said for hanging in there in tough circumstances vs. the guy who is rarely hit and wins 70-3. IMO Many of the USC QBs failed in the NFL because they never had adversity in college.
Using this logic let's just take the college QB who sucked the most and faced the most adversity in college b/c of it since they're the ones who know how to work through it. Sounds like a smart plan instead of taking the guy with the most talent who actually lead his team to a good record and bowl games.
No that is not the same logic. But then again, logic isnt something we expect from you.
There is something to be said for hanging in there in tough circumstances vs. the guy who is rarely hit and wins 70-3. IMO Many of the USC QBs failed in the NFL because they never had adversity in college.
Using this logic let's just take the college QB who sucked the most and faced the most adversity in college b/c of it since they're the ones who know how to work through it. Sounds like a smart plan instead of taking the guy with the most talent who actually lead his team to a good record and bowl games.
Yes because he said that adversity is the ONLY thing to look for.
There is something to be said for hanging in there in tough circumstances vs. the guy who is rarely hit and wins 70-3. IMO Many of the USC QBs failed in the NFL because they never had adversity in college.
Using this logic let's just take the college QB who sucked the most and faced the most adversity in college b/c of it since they're the ones who know how to work through it. Sounds like a smart plan instead of taking the guy with the most talent who actually lead his team to a good record and bowl games.
Yes because he said that adversity is the ONLY thing to look for.
It's the ONLY thing Jones showed in college to warrant anything close to being drafted in the first two rounds. That's the entire point.
are going to make this board miserable over the next few months if the Giants pick Jones. Constantly whining and moaning and being assholes. Just like they did last offseason when the Giants picked Barkley.
“He’s got a really strong arm. He’s amazingly accurate"... Â
are going to make this board miserable over the next few months if the Giants pick Jones. Constantly whining and moaning and being assholes. Just like they did last offseason when the Giants picked Barkley.
That's a bit unfair, but fine.
While I don't like the value of takings RBs high in the draft, at least Barkley was a player with some serious plus-plus skills.
Nothing of the sort can be said about Jones. Absolutely nothing. He's liking going to Subway and getting a 6" Turkey on wheat with lettuce, tomato, and some mayo. Ordinary.
There is something to be said for hanging in there in tough circumstances vs. the guy who is rarely hit and wins 70-3. IMO Many of the USC QBs failed in the NFL because they never had adversity in college.
Using this logic let's just take the college QB who sucked the most and faced the most adversity in college b/c of it since they're the ones who know how to work through it. Sounds like a smart plan instead of taking the guy with the most talent who actually lead his team to a good record and bowl games.
Yes because he said that adversity is the ONLY thing to look for.
It's the ONLY thing Jones showed in college to warrant anything close to being drafted in the first two rounds. That's the entire point.
I said there is "something to be said" for having done well under adverse conditions. I did not say it is the only thing - or even the most important thing. I don't particularly like Jones. I do think he will be a Giant for better or worse. It worries me that we will reach for him.
You make the same excuses for josh rosen at zona last year. Actually you make more excuses for rosen last year since he was fucking terrible. Rookie ? Sure. Bad team ? Sure. He was still terrible, both statistically and in the wins and losses column. Yet there is BW propping up rosen at every turn.
That’s called INCONSISTENCY.
Agree.
Seems to me that's just the lazy ass national media.
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The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
You make the same excuses for josh rosen at zona last year. Actually you make more excuses for rosen last year since he was fucking terrible. Rookie ? Sure. Bad team ? Sure. He was still terrible, both statistically and in the wins and losses column. Yet there is BW propping up rosen at every turn.
That’s called INCONSISTENCY.
Yes but you didn't have to make those excuses for his college performance! Jones was a 3 year starter at Duke and not once elevated the play of his team. If you can't do that in college you sure as shit ain't doing it in the NFL. I don't believe anybody that actually watched his games believes that he's anything more than a day 3 pick. This has to all be smoke. Even the biggest die-hard homer Duke fans think this talk is insane!
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The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
You make the same excuses for josh rosen at zona last year. Actually you make more excuses for rosen last year since he was fucking terrible. Rookie ? Sure. Bad team ? Sure. He was still terrible, both statistically and in the wins and losses column. Yet there is BW propping up rosen at every turn.
That’s called INCONSISTENCY.
There’s a stark difference between being on a less talented team in the NFL than in college. In college every player you’re playing against isn’t playing in the NFL, so if you were a franchise QB you should be able to show that more often than not.
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The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
You make the same excuses for josh rosen at zona last year. Actually you make more excuses for rosen last year since he was fucking terrible. Rookie ? Sure. Bad team ? Sure. He was still terrible, both statistically and in the wins and losses column. Yet there is BW propping up rosen at every turn.
That’s called INCONSISTENCY.
Yes but you didn't have to make those excuses for his college performance! Jones was a 3 year starter at Duke and not once elevated the play of his team. If you can't do that in college you sure as shit ain't doing it in the NFL. I don't believe anybody that actually watched his games believes that he's anything more than a day 3 pick. This has to all be smoke. Even the biggest die-hard homer Duke fans think this talk is insane!
Not ONCE elevated the team of his play is a weird position to take. He played with zero draftable players. How many games would they have one without him?
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The amount of excuses to justify Jones’s play on the field at Duke is the same intensity used by the Eli is God crowd for Eli’s subpar play.
You make the same excuses for josh rosen at zona last year. Actually you make more excuses for rosen last year since he was fucking terrible. Rookie ? Sure. Bad team ? Sure. He was still terrible, both statistically and in the wins and losses column. Yet there is BW propping up rosen at every turn.
That’s called INCONSISTENCY.
Yes but you didn't have to make those excuses for his college performance! Jones was a 3 year starter at Duke and not once elevated the play of his team. If you can't do that in college you sure as shit ain't doing it in the NFL. I don't believe anybody that actually watched his games believes that he's anything more than a day 3 pick. This has to all be smoke. Even the biggest die-hard homer Duke fans think this talk is insane!
Not ONCE elevated the team of his play is a weird position to take. He played with zero draftable players. How many games would they have one without him?
Not really...they were better the three years before he became their starting QB. Great college QB's almost always elevate the play of their teammates (and make them look better than they actually are). The fact that he didn't elevate the draft stock of any of his teammates says something in and of itself. He's not a starting caliber NFL QB...people are trying to make him one b/c he reminds them of Eli and he was coached by Dave Cutliffe. He's not good!
I just honestly feel this Jones hype is a smokescreen.
I don't mind Jones. There is something to be said for hanging in there in tough circumstances vs. the guy who is rarely hit and wins 70-3. IMO Many of the USC QBs failed in the NFL because they never had adversity in college.
I just think we should get him at "fair value". I think a trade down from 6 to draft an OT and Jones in round #1, and go defense the rest of the way might be a good scenario. That said, I won't be disappointed if we miss out on Jones.
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Smart QB that knows his role and doesnt have the ego to force throws. This is the Saquan show with a QB who is good/smart enough to hurt you if you over pursue Saquan.
All this adds up to #17, IMO.
So then the rhetorical question is, If he fits, then do you risk losing him at 17? You either think this guy is your long term answer or you don’t.
That is the million dollar question and above my pay grade. I am going to sit back and enjoy being optimistic on whoever we pick.
But, if I am playing armchair GM...yes, I do take that risk bc it allows me to get an elite defensive player.
Well put I agree.
Using this logic let's just take the college QB who sucked the most and faced the most adversity in college b/c of it since they're the ones who know how to work through it. Sounds like a smart plan instead of taking the guy with the most talent who actually lead his team to a good record and bowl games.
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There is something to be said for hanging in there in tough circumstances vs. the guy who is rarely hit and wins 70-3. IMO Many of the USC QBs failed in the NFL because they never had adversity in college.
Using this logic let's just take the college QB who sucked the most and faced the most adversity in college b/c of it since they're the ones who know how to work through it. Sounds like a smart plan instead of taking the guy with the most talent who actually lead his team to a good record and bowl games.
No that is not the same logic. But then again, logic isnt something we expect from you.
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There is something to be said for hanging in there in tough circumstances vs. the guy who is rarely hit and wins 70-3. IMO Many of the USC QBs failed in the NFL because they never had adversity in college.
Using this logic let's just take the college QB who sucked the most and faced the most adversity in college b/c of it since they're the ones who know how to work through it. Sounds like a smart plan instead of taking the guy with the most talent who actually lead his team to a good record and bowl games.
Yes because he said that adversity is the ONLY thing to look for.
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There is something to be said for hanging in there in tough circumstances vs. the guy who is rarely hit and wins 70-3. IMO Many of the USC QBs failed in the NFL because they never had adversity in college.
Using this logic let's just take the college QB who sucked the most and faced the most adversity in college b/c of it since they're the ones who know how to work through it. Sounds like a smart plan instead of taking the guy with the most talent who actually lead his team to a good record and bowl games.
Yes because he said that adversity is the ONLY thing to look for.
It's the ONLY thing Jones showed in college to warrant anything close to being drafted in the first two rounds. That's the entire point.
Someone's play was obviously elevated.
The irony isn't lost on me that Josh ranted all last year about not taking Darnold, but now he's shitting all over Jones.
When we take a QB, I guess it will be the WRONG one.
There's his idea of logic....
There are 41 bowl games, 82 teams. And the Power Five dominate the selections. So making a bowl game isn't quite what it used to be...
He's amazingly accurate....except he has a career completion percentage of 59.9% and his highest single season total was three years ago?
I applaud Cutcliffe supporting his player but reality has a place in this conversation too right?
That's a bit unfair, but fine.
While I don't like the value of takings RBs high in the draft, at least Barkley was a player with some serious plus-plus skills.
Nothing of the sort can be said about Jones. Absolutely nothing. He's liking going to Subway and getting a 6" Turkey on wheat with lettuce, tomato, and some mayo. Ordinary.
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There is something to be said for hanging in there in tough circumstances vs. the guy who is rarely hit and wins 70-3. IMO Many of the USC QBs failed in the NFL because they never had adversity in college.
Using this logic let's just take the college QB who sucked the most and faced the most adversity in college b/c of it since they're the ones who know how to work through it. Sounds like a smart plan instead of taking the guy with the most talent who actually lead his team to a good record and bowl games.
Yes because he said that adversity is the ONLY thing to look for.
It's the ONLY thing Jones showed in college to warrant anything close to being drafted in the first two rounds. That's the entire point.
I said there is "something to be said" for having done well under adverse conditions. I did not say it is the only thing - or even the most important thing. I don't particularly like Jones. I do think he will be a Giant for better or worse. It worries me that we will reach for him.
Duke went 8-5 and won a bowl game over Temple, a year after winning their bowl game too.
If Duke's roster is so bereft of talent, Jones clearly did something to keep them from being doormats.