You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.
It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.
Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.
Agree, however I have said that Stewart was brought in here to add some veteran leadership more so than to be a featured running back. Just my opinion anyway. I think BBI was reading the wrong tea leaves with that signing.
You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.
It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.
Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.
no one said it was crippling....stop making things up
People are more concerned with his judgment and blind spot for guys he lines than the $4 mil
If it was his judgement that you and others had, then I disagree. I was not moved by his signing, but I understood, undoing the McAdoo culture, such as it was, was paramount to DG, imo. A guy like Stewart was simply a step to improve said culture as he saw first hand, how well Stewart blended in with the culture in Carolina. That’s how I always viewed it
You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.
It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.
Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.
no one said it was crippling....stop making things up
People are more concerned with his judgment and blind spot for guys he lines than the $4 mil
If it was his judgement that you and others had, then I disagree. I was not moved by his signing, but I understood, undoing the McAdoo culture, such as it was, was paramount to DG, imo. A guy like Stewart was simply a step to improve said culture as he saw first hand, how well Stewart blended in with the culture in Carolina. That’s how I always viewed it
Then I stand by my question above. Gettleman could have made the statement that JS was brought on board at least partially to correct the culture. Instead, the point he hung his hat on was that positional value in general and the sharp age-related decline of RBs in particular were both farces. And yet, we obviously know now that Father Time caught Stewart from behind taking the handoff in the backfield.
I don't expect DG to walk that statement back - ultimately it was not a huge thing anyway. But as he was so wrong about Stewart not having lost anything, I can't help but wonder if he's at least considered that his view on positional value could evolve as well.
He never had to dig his heels in on this - it was entirely his own choice and really his own creation. He could just as easily have said, "sure positional value might tell you that it's not a wise investment to take a RB at #2, but Saquon Barkley is not just a RB." and left it at that. It would have been true, it would have been appropriate, and no one would have batted an eyelash.
Instead, he decided that this would be his moment to rage against the machine, along with his silly typing demonstration at the very same press conference. That's the context of the Stewart comment and why, at least IMO, it's a little bit more than just a run of the mill veteran signing that didn't work out.
although he was paid too much. at the time of his signing, the cupboard was bare. and the OLine stunk too - funny how backs who are past their prime cannot overcome that
And if he was brought in to clean up the locker room Â
You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.
It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.
Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.
no one said it was crippling....stop making things up
People are more concerned with his judgment and blind spot for guys he lines than the $4 mil
If it was his judgement that you and others had, then I disagree. I was not moved by his signing, but I understood, undoing the McAdoo culture, such as it was, was paramount to DG, imo. A guy like Stewart was simply a step to improve said culture as he saw first hand, how well Stewart blended in with the culture in Carolina. That’s how I always viewed it
Then I stand by my question above. Gettleman could have made the statement that JS was brought on board at least partially to correct the culture. Instead, the point he hung his hat on was that positional value in general and the sharp age-related decline of RBs in particular were both farces. And yet, we obviously know now that Father Time caught Stewart from behind taking the handoff in the backfield.
I don't expect DG to walk that statement back - ultimately it was not a huge thing anyway. But as he was so wrong about Stewart not having lost anything, I can't help but wonder if he's at least considered that his view on positional value could evolve as well.
He never had to dig his heels in on this - it was entirely his own choice and really his own creation. He could just as easily have said, "sure positional value might tell you that it's not a wise investment to take a RB at #2, but Saquon Barkley is not just a RB." and left it at that. It would have been true, it would have been appropriate, and no one would have batted an eyelash.
Instead, he decided that this would be his moment to rage against the machine, along with his silly typing demonstration at the very same press conference. That's the context of the Stewart comment and why, at least IMO, it's a little bit more than just a run of the mill veteran signing that didn't work out.
Though familiar with the Giants obviously, he was still a new GM..No way he was going to make that a public statement. That wasn’t his job
And Ron, I’m not referring to the few like OBJ, Collins Â
It's OK for Gettleman to be wrong sometimes and it's OK for the fans to be disappointed in it.
Just because he was wrong about a signing doesn't make him a bad GM, a bad hire, or a bad dude.
For my liking, he talks too much. He's not the kind of guy I'd want to have a beer with, his hyperbole and isms annoy me.
I also don't believe for a second he signed anyone only because they were good guys. I believe he thought they would work out, and a number of them just didn't.
It's OK for Gettleman to be wrong sometimes and it's OK for the fans to be disappointed in it.
Just because he was wrong about a signing doesn't make him a bad GM, a bad hire, or a bad dude.
For my liking, he talks too much. He's not the kind of guy I'd want to have a beer with, his hyperbole and isms annoy me.
I also don't believe for a second he signed anyone only because they were good guys. I believe he thought they would work out, and a number of them just didn't.
Not a tragedy, just how the cookie crumbles.
Who keeps bringing Jonathan Stewart up? I don't even think about the guy anymore, but his name gets mentioned here daily.
Hell, I didn't think of him after he went on IR.... Â
It's OK for Gettleman to be wrong sometimes and it's OK for the fans to be disappointed in it.
Just because he was wrong about a signing doesn't make him a bad GM, a bad hire, or a bad dude.
For my liking, he talks too much. He's not the kind of guy I'd want to have a beer with, his hyperbole and isms annoy me.
I also don't believe for a second he signed anyone only because they were good guys. I believe he thought they would work out, and a number of them just didn't.
Not a tragedy, just how the cookie crumbles.
Who keeps bringing Jonathan Stewart up? I don't even think about the guy anymore, but his name gets mentioned here daily.
And yet you were the first person to respond to this thread. You seem to have a habit of participating in and responding to things you don't care about. Maybe you actually kinda do?
I don't care about Jonathan Stewart. His tenure was inconsequential.. Â
I do care about the level of discourse on this board, and this is a dumb subject to keep rehashing. Move on.
Fair enough. Can you let us know what topics you do care about so we can stick to those since you apparently lack the basic adult capacity to avoid topics which you find mundane? Thanks in advance.
but because of what it was from the onset. A flat out moronic deal that should have never happened.
You can say all you want that it didn't matter as to dollars but that is just crap as we all are trying to understand what we have with this new GM and his decision-making strategy to rebuild the team, and the Front Office willingness to restructure a broken franchise.
The Stewart deal was an example of what not to do.
has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.
has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.
Just people clinging to their definitive takes about what an awful GM Gettleman was/is.
What's really going to be awesome is if the Giants turn it around and have a good season. There will be a lot of backtracking then.
has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.
Just people clinging to their definitive takes about what an awful GM Gettleman was/is.
What's really going to be awesome is if the Giants turn it around and have a good season. There will be a lot of backtracking then.
Glad to see you're still so disinterested in this topic.
has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.
I think a lot of people are missing the point, or maybe I am. I honestly couldn't care less about the dollars that Stewart got. He was overpaid but we all knew that at the time - no one is trying to Monday Morning QB that point at all from what I can tell.
The fact is, DG used Stewart as an example of how positional value is overrated and how commonly held axioms, especially as they relate to RBs' shelf life, are untrue and invalid. And then DG was immediately proven wrong. No one but Gettleman held Stewart out as supporting evidence of how much smarter he is than everyone else when it comes to RBs. No one but Gettleman used Stewart as an opportunity to mock the use of analytics.
IMO, Gettleman has egg on his face not due to the money, but due to his own words. It was a dumb statement then, and even dumber as Stewart's season unfolded. There's really no harm in admitting that, and it's weird that people want to defend it. No one expects DG to have a perfect record (I don't expect that anyway), but I don't think we need to avoid discussing his gaffes, especially when they may go right to the core of the way he views roster construction.
has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.
I think a lot of people are missing the point, or maybe I am. I honestly couldn't care less about the dollars that Stewart got. He was overpaid but we all knew that at the time - no one is trying to Monday Morning QB that point at all from what I can tell.
The fact is, DG used Stewart as an example of how positional value is overrated and how commonly held axioms, especially as they relate to RBs' shelf life, are untrue and invalid. And then DG was immediately proven wrong. No one but Gettleman held Stewart out as supporting evidence of how much smarter he is than everyone else when it comes to RBs. No one but Gettleman used Stewart as an opportunity to mock the use of analytics.
IMO, Gettleman has egg on his face not due to the money, but due to his own words. It was a dumb statement then, and even dumber as Stewart's season unfolded. There's really no harm in admitting that, and it's weird that people want to defend it. No one expects DG to have a perfect record (I don't expect that anyway), but I don't think we need to avoid discussing his gaffes, especially when they may go right to the core of the way he views roster construction.
Who's defending anything?? I'm certainly not....it's just a big nothing to me...who cares about some minor misstep along the way in rebuilding the roster. Some on here act like this was some major indictment of Gettleman and his abilities....for christs sake, it was a swing and a miss on a very, very minor roster move....these types of things happen on every roster over and over......why conflate it into something it's not?
has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.
I think a lot of people are missing the point, or maybe I am. I honestly couldn't care less about the dollars that Stewart got. He was overpaid but we all knew that at the time - no one is trying to Monday Morning QB that point at all from what I can tell.
The fact is, DG used Stewart as an example of how positional value is overrated and how commonly held axioms, especially as they relate to RBs' shelf life, are untrue and invalid. And then DG was immediately proven wrong. No one but Gettleman held Stewart out as supporting evidence of how much smarter he is than everyone else when it comes to RBs. No one but Gettleman used Stewart as an opportunity to mock the use of analytics.
IMO, Gettleman has egg on his face not due to the money, but due to his own words. It was a dumb statement then, and even dumber as Stewart's season unfolded. There's really no harm in admitting that, and it's weird that people want to defend it. No one expects DG to have a perfect record (I don't expect that anyway), but I don't think we need to avoid discussing his gaffes, especially when they may go right to the core of the way he views roster construction.
Who's defending anything?? I'm certainly not....it's just a big nothing to me...who cares about some minor misstep along the way in rebuilding the roster. Some on here act like this was some major indictment of Gettleman and his abilities....for christs sake, it was a swing and a miss on a very, very minor roster move....these types of things happen on every roster over and over......why conflate it into something it's not?
There's the impasse, I guess. I agree that the roster move is basically nothing. It was the greater point that Gettleman himself championed the move as evidence that his approach to roster construction and positional value was superior to the more common view around the league.
My point throughout the thread has been that Gettleman didn't need to even include Stewart in the conversation just like he didn't need to go on about his opinion of analytics. He could have just acknowledged that Barkley is the kind of prospect that you break all the rules for, and he would have been 100% correct.
All the other stuff, centered on Stewart in particular, was unnecessary and wound up being woefully incorrect anyway. But it did provide some insight into how he views his own approach relative to his competitors. Gettleman displayed a great willingness and ability to pivot when his initial evaluation of last year's roster (that they could compete last season) was wrong. We'll see if he's equally willing to continue adjusting when there is evidence to suggest it.
This conversation isn't about Stewart. That's what some of you can't wrap your head around. It's about why a guy who was so inconsequential and cut already is still being discussed on a daily basis, and what the motivation of that might be (is).
RE: I love the term pro-DG being used as a slam, or any NYG player.... Â
This conversation isn't about Stewart. That's what some of you can't wrap your head around. It's about why a guy who was so inconsequential and cut already is still being discussed on a daily basis, and what the motivation of that might be (is).
Still disinterested I see.
Maybe you can find some time in your busy schedule of determining what's an interesting BBI topic worthy of discussion to stop telling people what the conversation is about.
For me, it's about our GM taking an opportunity to make an unnecessary statement about an unrelated player at a press conference for his 1st round pick last year. And that statement went right to his contrarian stubbornness, and he was wrong. He was wrong then, and most people knew it (anyone could see that his statement that Stewart hadn't lost anything in 10 years was incorrect on its face), and then reality unfolded in a way that made him even more wrong. It was a moment that he was mocked for, and deservedly so.
No one gives a crap about whether Stewart was a good signing. But don't stand in front of the media declaring yourself smarter than the football universe in general. Remember when Reese called McAdoo the smartest guy in the room? Douche move, right? Gettleman called himself the smartest guy in the room and was wrong about it anyway.
I'm sorry that's so difficult for you to grasp. Maybe take your own advice now and move on.
You're the one that's having trouble with grasping what's being Â
looked like a buffoon in front of the entire football world over a signing most fans of other teams, and the media outside of NY didn't blink at, an overreaction? Of course you don't, and that's why we're here right now.
and I may be the most anti-DG on this board, but Britt is actually right on most of this.
This reaction to the Stewart signing is a mountain out of a mole hole. Of the lengthy list of things to questions DG's judgment, this is way at the bottom...
looked like a buffoon in front of the entire football world over a signing most fans of other teams, and the media outside of NY didn't blink at, an overreaction? Of course you don't, and that's why we're here right now.
Maybe you don't remember but that was the press conference where DG pretended to bang on a toy keyboard mocking the use of analytics. I think buffoon is rather appropriate, actually:
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“I think a lot of that stuff is nonsense. I think it is someone who had decided to get into the analytics of it and went through whatever. Jonathan Stewart is in his 10th year and he has not lost anything. I don’t believe in that."
It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.
Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.
It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.
Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.
Agree, a poor move, but in no shape or form monetarily impactful. Stupid narrative that’s gone on far too long, even for BBI..
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.
It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.
Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.
Agree, however I have said that Stewart was brought in here to add some veteran leadership more so than to be a featured running back. Just my opinion anyway. I think BBI was reading the wrong tea leaves with that signing.
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.
It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.
Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.
no one said it was crippling....stop making things up
People are more concerned with his judgment and blind spot for guys he lines than the $4 mil
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.
It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.
Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.
no one said it was crippling....stop making things up
People are more concerned with his judgment and blind spot for guys he lines than the $4 mil
If it was his judgement that you and others had, then I disagree. I was not moved by his signing, but I understood, undoing the McAdoo culture, such as it was, was paramount to DG, imo. A guy like Stewart was simply a step to improve said culture as he saw first hand, how well Stewart blended in with the culture in Carolina. That’s how I always viewed it
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.
It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.
Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.
no one said it was crippling....stop making things up
People are more concerned with his judgment and blind spot for guys he lines than the $4 mil
If it was his judgement that you and others had, then I disagree. I was not moved by his signing, but I understood, undoing the McAdoo culture, such as it was, was paramount to DG, imo. A guy like Stewart was simply a step to improve said culture as he saw first hand, how well Stewart blended in with the culture in Carolina. That’s how I always viewed it
Then I stand by my question above. Gettleman could have made the statement that JS was brought on board at least partially to correct the culture. Instead, the point he hung his hat on was that positional value in general and the sharp age-related decline of RBs in particular were both farces. And yet, we obviously know now that Father Time caught Stewart from behind taking the handoff in the backfield.
I don't expect DG to walk that statement back - ultimately it was not a huge thing anyway. But as he was so wrong about Stewart not having lost anything, I can't help but wonder if he's at least considered that his view on positional value could evolve as well.
He never had to dig his heels in on this - it was entirely his own choice and really his own creation. He could just as easily have said, "sure positional value might tell you that it's not a wise investment to take a RB at #2, but Saquon Barkley is not just a RB." and left it at that. It would have been true, it would have been appropriate, and no one would have batted an eyelash.
Instead, he decided that this would be his moment to rage against the machine, along with his silly typing demonstration at the very same press conference. That's the context of the Stewart comment and why, at least IMO, it's a little bit more than just a run of the mill veteran signing that didn't work out.
One of a few shitty free agent signings by DG in his first year as GM. He lags behind Reese in this area so far.
Anyway, back to Stewart.. can we still put him in the ring of honor even if he’s retiring a Panther?
why did we still need to trade apple, snacks and OBJ and let Collins walk?
Looks like he was pretty ineffective in his covert role as well
why did we still need to trade apple, snacks and OBJ and let Collins walk?
Looks like he was pretty ineffective in his covert role as well
He needed the roster spot obviously. At that point, whatever positive influence he had, had already been infused into the culture, imo
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.
It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.
Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.
no one said it was crippling....stop making things up
People are more concerned with his judgment and blind spot for guys he lines than the $4 mil
If it was his judgement that you and others had, then I disagree. I was not moved by his signing, but I understood, undoing the McAdoo culture, such as it was, was paramount to DG, imo. A guy like Stewart was simply a step to improve said culture as he saw first hand, how well Stewart blended in with the culture in Carolina. That’s how I always viewed it
Then I stand by my question above. Gettleman could have made the statement that JS was brought on board at least partially to correct the culture. Instead, the point he hung his hat on was that positional value in general and the sharp age-related decline of RBs in particular were both farces. And yet, we obviously know now that Father Time caught Stewart from behind taking the handoff in the backfield.
I don't expect DG to walk that statement back - ultimately it was not a huge thing anyway. But as he was so wrong about Stewart not having lost anything, I can't help but wonder if he's at least considered that his view on positional value could evolve as well.
He never had to dig his heels in on this - it was entirely his own choice and really his own creation. He could just as easily have said, "sure positional value might tell you that it's not a wise investment to take a RB at #2, but Saquon Barkley is not just a RB." and left it at that. It would have been true, it would have been appropriate, and no one would have batted an eyelash.
Instead, he decided that this would be his moment to rage against the machine, along with his silly typing demonstration at the very same press conference. That's the context of the Stewart comment and why, at least IMO, it's a little bit more than just a run of the mill veteran signing that didn't work out.
Though familiar with the Giants obviously, he was still a new GM..No way he was going to make that a public statement. That wasn’t his job
Thankfully he nailed the draft.
He then capitulated on the “this group can win theory” and we blew it up.
It was not a culture fix from the start - now it has become that which is fine
Not saying it’s his fault but things did not go according to his initial plan
It’s good that he audibled
Just because he was wrong about a signing doesn't make him a bad GM, a bad hire, or a bad dude.
For my liking, he talks too much. He's not the kind of guy I'd want to have a beer with, his hyperbole and isms annoy me.
I also don't believe for a second he signed anyone only because they were good guys. I believe he thought they would work out, and a number of them just didn't.
Not a tragedy, just how the cookie crumbles.
Just because he was wrong about a signing doesn't make him a bad GM, a bad hire, or a bad dude.
For my liking, he talks too much. He's not the kind of guy I'd want to have a beer with, his hyperbole and isms annoy me.
I also don't believe for a second he signed anyone only because they were good guys. I believe he thought they would work out, and a number of them just didn't.
Not a tragedy, just how the cookie crumbles.
Who keeps bringing Jonathan Stewart up? I don't even think about the guy anymore, but his name gets mentioned here daily.
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It's OK for Gettleman to be wrong sometimes and it's OK for the fans to be disappointed in it.
Just because he was wrong about a signing doesn't make him a bad GM, a bad hire, or a bad dude.
For my liking, he talks too much. He's not the kind of guy I'd want to have a beer with, his hyperbole and isms annoy me.
I also don't believe for a second he signed anyone only because they were good guys. I believe he thought they would work out, and a number of them just didn't.
Not a tragedy, just how the cookie crumbles.
Who keeps bringing Jonathan Stewart up? I don't even think about the guy anymore, but his name gets mentioned here daily.
And yet you were the first person to respond to this thread. You seem to have a habit of participating in and responding to things you don't care about. Maybe you actually kinda do?
I do care about the level of discourse on this board, and this is a dumb subject to keep rehashing. Move on.
He may be, but this is a dumb thing to hang that hat on. You know it, too. What is productive about this conversation?
I do care about the level of discourse on this board, and this is a dumb subject to keep rehashing. Move on.
Fair enough. Can you let us know what topics you do care about so we can stick to those since you apparently lack the basic adult capacity to avoid topics which you find mundane? Thanks in advance.
Well, maybe if people would stop bringing Jonathan Stewart up ten times a day people would quit responding.
Ya got me. But wait (he's says in his best Columbo voice ...)
The people who don’t know how to consume public statements made by executives of a company are.
Gettleman took the classy road. Just like when he says the team is going to compete. Part of his job as GM is to sell the team.
He’s an employee of John Mara and Steve Tisch and he’s doing his job. He’s not a fan drinking beers with you at Happy Hour. Try to understand that.
You can say all you want that it didn't matter as to dollars but that is just crap as we all are trying to understand what we have with this new GM and his decision-making strategy to rebuild the team, and the Front Office willingness to restructure a broken franchise.
The Stewart deal was an example of what not to do.
Nothing more and nothing less.
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for less than 2% of the cap.
There is a lot of hand wringing over nothing.
I guess when a guy posts almost exclusively about Stewart or being "touched by the Hand of God", he's only left with Stewart to grumble about.
Even long after he's gone.
The long troll.....
Just people clinging to their definitive takes about what an awful GM Gettleman was/is.
What's really going to be awesome is if the Giants turn it around and have a good season. There will be a lot of backtracking then.
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has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.
Just people clinging to their definitive takes about what an awful GM Gettleman was/is.
What's really going to be awesome is if the Giants turn it around and have a good season. There will be a lot of backtracking then.
Glad to see you're still so disinterested in this topic.
I think a lot of people are missing the point, or maybe I am. I honestly couldn't care less about the dollars that Stewart got. He was overpaid but we all knew that at the time - no one is trying to Monday Morning QB that point at all from what I can tell.
The fact is, DG used Stewart as an example of how positional value is overrated and how commonly held axioms, especially as they relate to RBs' shelf life, are untrue and invalid. And then DG was immediately proven wrong. No one but Gettleman held Stewart out as supporting evidence of how much smarter he is than everyone else when it comes to RBs. No one but Gettleman used Stewart as an opportunity to mock the use of analytics.
IMO, Gettleman has egg on his face not due to the money, but due to his own words. It was a dumb statement then, and even dumber as Stewart's season unfolded. There's really no harm in admitting that, and it's weird that people want to defend it. No one expects DG to have a perfect record (I don't expect that anyway), but I don't think we need to avoid discussing his gaffes, especially when they may go right to the core of the way he views roster construction.
Look at the Stewart timeline. He was signed before Barkley by a team that had basically a handful of game experience from every back on the roster.
It isn't like he was signed after the draft. He was signed to provide vet leadership to a group that had none of that.
And he became used as an example by many posters to illustrate that DG has no clue how to build a team.
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has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.
I think a lot of people are missing the point, or maybe I am. I honestly couldn't care less about the dollars that Stewart got. He was overpaid but we all knew that at the time - no one is trying to Monday Morning QB that point at all from what I can tell.
The fact is, DG used Stewart as an example of how positional value is overrated and how commonly held axioms, especially as they relate to RBs' shelf life, are untrue and invalid. And then DG was immediately proven wrong. No one but Gettleman held Stewart out as supporting evidence of how much smarter he is than everyone else when it comes to RBs. No one but Gettleman used Stewart as an opportunity to mock the use of analytics.
IMO, Gettleman has egg on his face not due to the money, but due to his own words. It was a dumb statement then, and even dumber as Stewart's season unfolded. There's really no harm in admitting that, and it's weird that people want to defend it. No one expects DG to have a perfect record (I don't expect that anyway), but I don't think we need to avoid discussing his gaffes, especially when they may go right to the core of the way he views roster construction.
Who's defending anything?? I'm certainly not....it's just a big nothing to me...who cares about some minor misstep along the way in rebuilding the roster. Some on here act like this was some major indictment of Gettleman and his abilities....for christs sake, it was a swing and a miss on a very, very minor roster move....these types of things happen on every roster over and over......why conflate it into something it's not?
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has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.
I think a lot of people are missing the point, or maybe I am. I honestly couldn't care less about the dollars that Stewart got. He was overpaid but we all knew that at the time - no one is trying to Monday Morning QB that point at all from what I can tell.
The fact is, DG used Stewart as an example of how positional value is overrated and how commonly held axioms, especially as they relate to RBs' shelf life, are untrue and invalid. And then DG was immediately proven wrong. No one but Gettleman held Stewart out as supporting evidence of how much smarter he is than everyone else when it comes to RBs. No one but Gettleman used Stewart as an opportunity to mock the use of analytics.
IMO, Gettleman has egg on his face not due to the money, but due to his own words. It was a dumb statement then, and even dumber as Stewart's season unfolded. There's really no harm in admitting that, and it's weird that people want to defend it. No one expects DG to have a perfect record (I don't expect that anyway), but I don't think we need to avoid discussing his gaffes, especially when they may go right to the core of the way he views roster construction.
Who's defending anything?? I'm certainly not....it's just a big nothing to me...who cares about some minor misstep along the way in rebuilding the roster. Some on here act like this was some major indictment of Gettleman and his abilities....for christs sake, it was a swing and a miss on a very, very minor roster move....these types of things happen on every roster over and over......why conflate it into something it's not?
There's the impasse, I guess. I agree that the roster move is basically nothing. It was the greater point that Gettleman himself championed the move as evidence that his approach to roster construction and positional value was superior to the more common view around the league.
My point throughout the thread has been that Gettleman didn't need to even include Stewart in the conversation just like he didn't need to go on about his opinion of analytics. He could have just acknowledged that Barkley is the kind of prospect that you break all the rules for, and he would have been 100% correct.
All the other stuff, centered on Stewart in particular, was unnecessary and wound up being woefully incorrect anyway. But it did provide some insight into how he views his own approach relative to his competitors. Gettleman displayed a great willingness and ability to pivot when his initial evaluation of last year's roster (that they could compete last season) was wrong. We'll see if he's equally willing to continue adjusting when there is evidence to suggest it.
people...
Rehashing Stewart is all you have left.
That to me is the biggest regret of the signing. Empowering fucking trolls.
But i do enjoy when you get all bent of shape though...
Sometimes, it’s ok to admit you were wrong or just slink away..
This conversation isn't about Stewart. That's what some of you can't wrap your head around. It's about why a guy who was so inconsequential and cut already is still being discussed on a daily basis, and what the motivation of that might be (is).
This conversation isn't about Stewart. That's what some of you can't wrap your head around. It's about why a guy who was so inconsequential and cut already is still being discussed on a daily basis, and what the motivation of that might be (is).
Still disinterested I see.
Maybe you can find some time in your busy schedule of determining what's an interesting BBI topic worthy of discussion to stop telling people what the conversation is about.
For me, it's about our GM taking an opportunity to make an unnecessary statement about an unrelated player at a press conference for his 1st round pick last year. And that statement went right to his contrarian stubbornness, and he was wrong. He was wrong then, and most people knew it (anyone could see that his statement that Stewart hadn't lost anything in 10 years was incorrect on its face), and then reality unfolded in a way that made him even more wrong. It was a moment that he was mocked for, and deservedly so.
No one gives a crap about whether Stewart was a good signing. But don't stand in front of the media declaring yourself smarter than the football universe in general. Remember when Reese called McAdoo the smartest guy in the room? Douche move, right? Gettleman called himself the smartest guy in the room and was wrong about it anyway.
I'm sorry that's so difficult for you to grasp. Maybe take your own advice now and move on.
Not really. All of them keep fixating on the contract itself being inconsequential, which I agree with.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I just don't like our GM looking like a fucking buffoon in front of the entire football world. And he did.
This reaction to the Stewart signing is a mountain out of a mole hole. Of the lengthy list of things to questions DG's judgment, this is way at the bottom...
Maybe you don't remember but that was the press conference where DG pretended to bang on a toy keyboard mocking the use of analytics. I think buffoon is rather appropriate, actually: