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Jonathan Stewart Retires as a Panther

Heisenberg : 4/23/2019 10:56 am
Not DG's finest moment...
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Good god enough with this Jonothan Stewart crap.  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 10:58 am : link
He was an inconsequential blip on the radar that affected nothing.

Why do some of you keep harping on that? Do you know how many aging veterans are signed every year in the NFL as depth and don't make much impract?

Dorsey Levens was impressive against the Eagles (some of you will get that reference).
Congrats to him on a great career.  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 10:59 am : link
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Retired as a Panther....  
theking : 4/23/2019 11:01 am : link
As he should ?
about  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/23/2019 11:07 am : link
as glorious as Herman Moore's career as a NYG.
Hasnt lost anything  
ajr2456 : 4/23/2019 11:11 am : link
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RE: Good god enough with this Jonothan Stewart crap.  
Jints in Carolina : 4/23/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14399321 Britt in VA said:
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He was an inconsequential blip on the radar that affected nothing.

Why do some of you keep harping on that? Do you know how many aging veterans are signed every year in the NFL as depth and don't make much impract?

Dorsey Levens was impressive against the Eagles (some of you will get that reference).


Ease up on the coffee.
RE: RE: Good god enough with this Jonothan Stewart crap.  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14399353 Jints in Carolina said:
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He was an inconsequential blip on the radar that affected nothing.

Why do some of you keep harping on that? Do you know how many aging veterans are signed every year in the NFL as depth and don't make much impract?

Dorsey Levens was impressive against the Eagles (some of you will get that reference).



Ease up on the coffee.


Yeah, that was a bit harsh.

But it's getting annoying with these inconsequential things constantly being used to drive some narrative that Gettleman stinks. He did a lot more good than bad this/last season.
I cant believe he retired  
twostepgiants : 4/23/2019 11:14 am : link
He hasnt lost a step!
"Jonathan Stewart's in his 10th year  
battttles : 4/23/2019 11:14 am : link
and he's hardly lost anything" Gettleman said in April.

We should give him a pass though, especially on a position as replaceable as RB. We're not talking about a QB here or anything.
Too bad  
Big Al : 4/23/2019 11:16 am : link
We did not have him in his prime.
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good for him.  
rasbutant : 4/23/2019 11:17 am : link
Always wanted him on the team. They just got him about 10 years too late.
Hey, Jints  
ColHowPepper : 4/23/2019 11:18 am : link
OT, but congrats on the Canes, on to Game 7. Ovechkin was spewing some foul Russian s..t--very translatable to English, LOL--after Caps' tying goal was waved off. The booth had no clue for about ten minutes as to why other than suspecting that the refs lost sight of the puck, only to have that explanation changed to goalie interference, on #8, the way I heard it.

And, damn, isn't William a magician with his stick? First, the high stick (over his shoulder) to bring the puck down and then to flick it over Holtby, rightly disallowed, and then the deflection to go up 4-2. Teams feed off him in the playoffs.
RE: Hey, Jints  
Jints in Carolina : 4/23/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14399373 ColHowPepper said:
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OT, but congrats on the Canes, on to Game 7. Ovechkin was spewing some foul Russian s..t--very translatable to English, LOL--after Caps' tying goal was waved off. The booth had no clue for about ten minutes as to why other than suspecting that the refs lost sight of the puck, only to have that explanation changed to goalie interference, on #8, the way I heard it.

And, damn, isn't William a magician with his stick? First, the high stick (over his shoulder) to bring the puck down and then to flick it over Holtby, rightly disallowed, and then the deflection to go up 4-2. Teams feed off him in the playoffs.


Thanks! Hopefully, we can pull off one more upset.
I Had Really Hoped That He Would Retire...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/23/2019 11:22 am : link
As a Giant.

:>(
RE: about  
I Love Clams Casino : 4/23/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14399342 Eric from BBI said:
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as glorious as Herman Moore's career as a NYG.


better than Trey Junkin though
True, the Stewart sigining was  
Beer Man : 4/23/2019 11:27 am : link
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"Not DG's finest moment..."
, but at the time I agreed with the idea of bringing in a veteran RB to stabilize the position and possibly mentor Barkley if the Giants were fortunate enough to draft him. It just happened that Stewart had little left in the tank.
RE: True, the Stewart sigining was  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 11:29 am : link
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"Not DG's finest moment..."

, but at the time I agreed with the idea of bringing in a veteran RB to stabilize the position and possibly mentor Barkley if the Giants were fortunate enough to draft him. It just happened that Stewart had little left in the tank.


And he got hurt before the line stabilized itself at the bye.
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ajr2456 : 4/23/2019 11:32 am : link
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"Not DG's finest moment..."

, but at the time I agreed with the idea of bringing in a veteran RB to stabilize the position and possibly mentor Barkley if the Giants were fortunate enough to draft him. It just happened that Stewart had little left in the tank.



And he got hurt before the line stabilized itself at the bye.


He hadnt averaged over 3.8 ypc since 2015. Not sure a stabilized line would have done much.
He only played 3 games before getting put on IR....  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 11:34 am : link
and in those three games only carried the ball 6 times. Think there's a bit of overreaction?

He got hurt. We'll never know.
RE: He only played 3 games before getting put on IR....  
ajr2456 : 4/23/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14399416 Britt in VA said:
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and in those three games only carried the ball 6 times. Think there's a bit of overreaction?

He got hurt. We'll never know.


What about 2016 and 2017?
Well he wasn't a Giant then.  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 11:39 am : link
I'm speaking on the Gettleman signing only.
I don't want to rehash it.  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 11:40 am : link
He signed him as a veteran presence in the lockerroom.

Signings like that are made in the NFL all the time.

He got hurt, we cut bait. That's really the whole story.
RE: Well he wasn't a Giant then.  
ajr2456 : 4/23/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14399424 Britt in VA said:
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I'm speaking on the Gettleman signing only.


But why wouldnt the previous years have an impact on the signing? Seeing his previous years production and then saying he hasnt lost a step is why Gettleman still gets shit over it.
You guys make to much out of little comments that people make.  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 11:43 am : link
What was Gettleman going to say? He's washed up?
Gettleman signed a guy he knew and trusted.  
Klaatu : 4/23/2019 11:45 am : link
Most likely for reasons other than Stewart's on-field production, regardless of his "GM-Speak." It didn't work out. Time to move on.
Well, I added that bit because Stewart looked cooked  
Heisenberg : 4/23/2019 11:46 am : link
for several years. DG was pretty defiant when he signed him and then he pretty much showed that he was in fact cooked (aside: when is DG not defiant?).

I get that he is a real quality individual and teammate and was also here to help with the dysfunction. But at the end of the day, he was a total zero of a signing.
Here's what Jim Fassel said when he signed Dorsey Levens  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 11:47 am : link
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"What Dorsey Levens brings to us is true professionalism," Giants coach Jim Fassel said. "He is an experienced pro who knows what it takes to win. I like his leadership ability, and that is the thing I look for in any free agent that we bring in here."


The Stewart signing was in the same vein, except Stewart got hurt while Levens played 11 games for us. Both were cut after one season, even though they both signed multi-year deals.

I don't remember any hand wringing over the Levens signing as a reason to fire Accorsi or Fassel.
RE: I don't want to rehash it.  
CromartiesKid21 : 4/23/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14399428 Britt in VA said:
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He signed him as a veteran presence in the lockerroom.

Signings like that are made in the NFL all the time.

He got hurt, we cut bait. That's really the whole story.


Yea those guys get the vet league minimum not 3 million dollars
Britt- :)  
Dave on the UWS : 4/23/2019 11:58 am : link
a bright shining moment of celebrity.
Damn.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/23/2019 12:20 pm : link
So no chance he's coming back now. :(
Shocked he didn't retire as a Giant  
PatersonPlank : 4/23/2019 12:29 pm : link
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Signing a vet RB is fine...  
Tesla : 4/23/2019 12:34 pm : link
paying him $4M guaranteed when he was pretty clearly washed up and there was zero indications anybody else would pay him anything close to that would make a reasonable person question the competence of our GM.
RE: Signing a vet RB is fine...  
PerpetualNervousness : 4/23/2019 2:20 pm : link
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paying him $4M guaranteed when he was pretty clearly washed up and there was zero indications anybody else would pay him anything close to that would make a reasonable person question the competence of our GM.


exactly. it's the money that made this a terrible signing. if he signed him for vet minimum - which is what he would've gotten anywhere else - nobody would care. DG's the one who hyped him up.
RE: RE: RE: Good god enough with this Jonothan Stewart crap.  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/23/2019 2:58 pm : link
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He was an inconsequential blip on the radar that affected nothing.

Why do some of you keep harping on that? Do you know how many aging veterans are signed every year in the NFL as depth and don't make much impract?

Dorsey Levens was impressive against the Eagles (some of you will get that reference).



Ease up on the coffee.



Yeah, that was a bit harsh.

But it's getting annoying with these inconsequential things constantly being used to drive some narrative that Gettleman stinks. He did a lot more good than bad this/last season.

I don't think it's entirely about the signing itself - I agree with you that a lot of aging veterans get signed to rosters all the time, and they're basically inconsequential.

Where I think some take issue with Gettleman is how fiercely proud he was about the signing, and how wrong he wound up being about it. Nobody forced him to even mention Stewart when he said that Stewart hadn't lost anything in ten years - he volunteered that at a press conference about Barkley. And he was saying it in the context of not believing in positional value. If the crux of his argument was reliant on Jonathan Stewart's ability to ward off the physical decline that RBs tend to experience earlier than other positions, then there's a real question that still remains.

So the question is, do we think that DG has changed his view at all on positional value and physical decline? Or, if you believe it was much ado about nothing all along, do we think that DG just likes to talk for the sake of talking when he's within earshot of a microphone and it was just an off-the-cuff response about something that he doesn't place any value in?
People with an agenda will milk this Gettleman gaffe as long as they  
Brown Recluse : 4/23/2019 3:43 pm : link
can.

In the grand scheme though, it was not a big deal. Name one GM that hasn't made a mistake in free agency.
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christian : 4/23/2019 3:53 pm : link
It was never the signing or the intent of the signing.

It was the general wisdom of the cost vs. the value. At 3.5M Stewart was getting paid like a bottom tier starter.

If he was here for his presence, many of us would just have preferred a vet minimum salary. That's a sound criticism.

For reference Bethea got about the same amount of money as an older, quality character guy, and he's actually still productive and pegged to start. No one is complaining about that one.
The signing itself wasn't a mistake, the issue is we were outbidding  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/23/2019 3:54 pm : link
ourselves. Name one GM that hasn't made a mistake, and this was a small one.
Theres no reason anyone with an axe to grind  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/23/2019 3:55 pm : link
Against gettleman would have to keep mentioning Stewart. He also paid Patrick Omameh about 10m dollars to stink and not even survive a full season. Stewart is small potatoes.

It's not just contract. It's the evaluation to think he should have gotten a contract.

GD....I think DG just likes to hear himself talk.  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/23/2019 3:57 pm : link
Stewart was effective in short yardage his last two years as Panther, but that is it. Is that worth 3.5 million? I feel like DG really wanted his presence for Saquon and figured he'd have a short yardage back as well.
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Beer Man : 4/23/2019 4:02 pm : link
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"Not DG's finest moment..."

, but at the time I agreed with the idea of bringing in a veteran RB to stabilize the position and possibly mentor Barkley if the Giants were fortunate enough to draft him. It just happened that Stewart had little left in the tank.



And he got hurt before the line stabilized itself at the bye.



He hadnt averaged over 3.8 ypc since 2015. Not sure a stabilized line would have done much.
I don't believe I said anything about the OL, much less anything about stabilizing it. Stewart was brought in to mentor a young backfield and bring some stability to it.
It didnt work out  
Les in TO : 4/23/2019 4:23 pm : link
You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.
RE: It didnt work out  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/23/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14400036 Les in TO said:
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.


It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.

Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.
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Big Blue '56 : 4/23/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14400040 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.



It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.

Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.


Agree, a poor move, but in no shape or form monetarily impactful. Stupid narrative thats gone on far too long, even for BBI..
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EricJ : 4/23/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14400040 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.



It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.

Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.


Agree, however I have said that Stewart was brought in here to add some veteran leadership more so than to be a featured running back. Just my opinion anyway. I think BBI was reading the wrong tea leaves with that signing.
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ron mexico : 4/23/2019 4:39 pm : link
In comment 14400040 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.



It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.

Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.


no one said it was crippling....stop making things up

People are more concerned with his judgment and blind spot for guys he lines than the $4 mil
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Big Blue '56 : 4/23/2019 4:44 pm : link
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.



It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.

Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.



no one said it was crippling....stop making things up

People are more concerned with his judgment and blind spot for guys he lines than the $4 mil


If it was his judgement that you and others had, then I disagree. I was not moved by his signing, but I understood, undoing the McAdoo culture, such as it was, was paramount to DG, imo. A guy like Stewart was simply a step to improve said culture as he saw first hand, how well Stewart blended in with the culture in Carolina. Thats how I always viewed it
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Gatorade Dunk : 4/23/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14400062 Big Blue '56 said:
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.



It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.

Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.



no one said it was crippling....stop making things up

People are more concerned with his judgment and blind spot for guys he lines than the $4 mil



If it was his judgement that you and others had, then I disagree. I was not moved by his signing, but I understood, undoing the McAdoo culture, such as it was, was paramount to DG, imo. A guy like Stewart was simply a step to improve said culture as he saw first hand, how well Stewart blended in with the culture in Carolina. Thats how I always viewed it

Then I stand by my question above. Gettleman could have made the statement that JS was brought on board at least partially to correct the culture. Instead, the point he hung his hat on was that positional value in general and the sharp age-related decline of RBs in particular were both farces. And yet, we obviously know now that Father Time caught Stewart from behind taking the handoff in the backfield.

I don't expect DG to walk that statement back - ultimately it was not a huge thing anyway. But as he was so wrong about Stewart not having lost anything, I can't help but wonder if he's at least considered that his view on positional value could evolve as well.

He never had to dig his heels in on this - it was entirely his own choice and really his own creation. He could just as easily have said, "sure positional value might tell you that it's not a wise investment to take a RB at #2, but Saquon Barkley is not just a RB." and left it at that. It would have been true, it would have been appropriate, and no one would have batted an eyelash.

Instead, he decided that this would be his moment to rage against the machine, along with his silly typing demonstration at the very same press conference. That's the context of the Stewart comment and why, at least IMO, it's a little bit more than just a run of the mill veteran signing that didn't work out.
I remember the BBI Gettleman cheerleaders  
TD : 4/23/2019 4:53 pm : link
Throwing out lines like we will NOT have trouble converting third and short with Stewart on board... LMAO.

One of a few shitty free agent signings by DG in his first year as GM. He lags behind Reese in this area so far.

Anyway, back to Stewart.. can we still put him in the ring of honor even if hes retiring a Panther?
signing was worth the risk  
bc4life : 4/23/2019 4:59 pm : link
although he was paid too much. at the time of his signing, the cupboard was bare. and the OLine stunk too - funny how backs who are past their prime cannot overcome that
And if he was brought in to clean up the locker room  
ron mexico : 4/23/2019 5:02 pm : link
Why put him on IR mid season? he wasn't here to run anyway.

why did we still need to trade apple, snacks and OBJ and let Collins walk?

Looks like he was pretty ineffective in his covert role as well
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Big Blue '56 : 4/23/2019 5:05 pm : link
In comment 14400084 ron mexico said:
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Why put him on IR mid season? he wasn't here to run anyway.

why did we still need to trade apple, snacks and OBJ and let Collins walk?

Looks like he was pretty ineffective in his covert role as well


He needed the roster spot obviously. At that point, whatever positive influence he had, had already been infused into the culture, imo
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Big Blue '56 : 4/23/2019 5:07 pm : link
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You want to praise Gettleman for his good moves you need to be honest and acknowledge the poor ones.



It has pretty much been universally said that the Stewart signing was a poor move.

Not a crippling one like some want to harp on. That's the difference.



no one said it was crippling....stop making things up

People are more concerned with his judgment and blind spot for guys he lines than the $4 mil



If it was his judgement that you and others had, then I disagree. I was not moved by his signing, but I understood, undoing the McAdoo culture, such as it was, was paramount to DG, imo. A guy like Stewart was simply a step to improve said culture as he saw first hand, how well Stewart blended in with the culture in Carolina. Thats how I always viewed it


Then I stand by my question above. Gettleman could have made the statement that JS was brought on board at least partially to correct the culture. Instead, the point he hung his hat on was that positional value in general and the sharp age-related decline of RBs in particular were both farces. And yet, we obviously know now that Father Time caught Stewart from behind taking the handoff in the backfield.

I don't expect DG to walk that statement back - ultimately it was not a huge thing anyway. But as he was so wrong about Stewart not having lost anything, I can't help but wonder if he's at least considered that his view on positional value could evolve as well.

He never had to dig his heels in on this - it was entirely his own choice and really his own creation. He could just as easily have said, "sure positional value might tell you that it's not a wise investment to take a RB at #2, but Saquon Barkley is not just a RB." and left it at that. It would have been true, it would have been appropriate, and no one would have batted an eyelash.

Instead, he decided that this would be his moment to rage against the machine, along with his silly typing demonstration at the very same press conference. That's the context of the Stewart comment and why, at least IMO, it's a little bit more than just a run of the mill veteran signing that didn't work out.


Though familiar with the Giants obviously, he was still a new GM..No way he was going to make that a public statement. That wasnt his job
And Ron, Im not referring to the few like OBJ, Collins  
Big Blue '56 : 4/23/2019 5:09 pm : link
and possibly Snacks. Im referring to the disaster it seemed McAdoo left behind
Gettleman thought the giants could win  
hitdog42 : 4/23/2019 5:13 pm : link
Last year- his signings in free agency were based with that in mind- not operation culture shock.

Thankfully he nailed the draft.
He then capitulated on the this group can win theory and we blew it up.

It was not a culture fix from the start - now it has become that which is fine

Not saying its his fault but things did not go according to his initial plan
Its good that he audibled
And he's  
David B. : 4/23/2019 6:18 pm : link
stuffed at the Carolina airport for no gain.
...  
christian : 4/23/2019 7:54 pm : link
It's OK for Gettleman to be wrong sometimes and it's OK for the fans to be disappointed in it.

Just because he was wrong about a signing doesn't make him a bad GM, a bad hire, or a bad dude.

For my liking, he talks too much. He's not the kind of guy I'd want to have a beer with, his hyperbole and isms annoy me.

I also don't believe for a second he signed anyone only because they were good guys. I believe he thought they would work out, and a number of them just didn't.

Not a tragedy, just how the cookie crumbles.
RE: ...  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14400303 christian said:
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It's OK for Gettleman to be wrong sometimes and it's OK for the fans to be disappointed in it.

Just because he was wrong about a signing doesn't make him a bad GM, a bad hire, or a bad dude.

For my liking, he talks too much. He's not the kind of guy I'd want to have a beer with, his hyperbole and isms annoy me.

I also don't believe for a second he signed anyone only because they were good guys. I believe he thought they would work out, and a number of them just didn't.

Not a tragedy, just how the cookie crumbles.


Who keeps bringing Jonathan Stewart up? I don't even think about the guy anymore, but his name gets mentioned here daily.
Hell, I didn't think of him after he went on IR....  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 8:02 pm : link
but for some reason he's discussed ad nauseum here on a daily basis.
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christian : 4/23/2019 8:04 pm : link
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It's OK for Gettleman to be wrong sometimes and it's OK for the fans to be disappointed in it.

Just because he was wrong about a signing doesn't make him a bad GM, a bad hire, or a bad dude.

For my liking, he talks too much. He's not the kind of guy I'd want to have a beer with, his hyperbole and isms annoy me.

I also don't believe for a second he signed anyone only because they were good guys. I believe he thought they would work out, and a number of them just didn't.

Not a tragedy, just how the cookie crumbles.



Who keeps bringing Jonathan Stewart up? I don't even think about the guy anymore, but his name gets mentioned here daily.


And yet you were the first person to respond to this thread. You seem to have a habit of participating in and responding to things you don't care about. Maybe you actually kinda do?
I don't care about Jonathan Stewart. His tenure was inconsequential..  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 8:05 pm : link
as I stated.

I do care about the level of discourse on this board, and this is a dumb subject to keep rehashing. Move on.
The sole purpose of the amount of discussion....  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 8:07 pm : link
of this player is to only further the narrative that Gettleman is a bad GM.

He may be, but this is a dumb thing to hang that hat on. You know it, too. What is productive about this conversation?
RE: I don't care about Jonathan Stewart. His tenure was inconsequential..  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/23/2019 8:37 pm : link
In comment 14400322 Britt in VA said:
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as I stated.

I do care about the level of discourse on this board, and this is a dumb subject to keep rehashing. Move on.

Fair enough. Can you let us know what topics you do care about so we can stick to those since you apparently lack the basic adult capacity to avoid topics which you find mundane? Thanks in advance.
The old....  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 8:41 pm : link
"if you don't like it, don't click it"....

Well, maybe if people would stop bringing Jonathan Stewart up ten times a day people would quit responding.
RE: The sole purpose of the amount of discussion....  
christian : 4/23/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14400326 Britt in VA said:
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of this player is to only further the narrative that Gettleman is a bad GM.


Ya got me. But wait (he's says in his best Columbo voice ...)

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Just because he was wrong about a signing doesn't make him a bad GM, a bad hire, or a bad dude.
You was in the figurative sense, Odell....  
Britt in VA : 4/23/2019 9:27 pm : link
;)
Gettleman  
mittenedman : 4/23/2019 9:51 pm : link
doesnt look stupid.

The people who dont know how to consume public statements made by executives of a company are.

Gettleman took the classy road. Just like when he says the team is going to compete. Part of his job as GM is to sell the team.

Hes an employee of John Mara and Steve Tisch and hes doing his job. Hes not a fan drinking beers with you at Happy Hour. Try to understand that.
Stewart was a mistake. Not because of how it turned out  
Jimmy Googs : 4/23/2019 10:04 pm : link
but because of what it was from the onset. A flat out moronic deal that should have never happened.

You can say all you want that it didn't matter as to dollars but that is just crap as we all are trying to understand what we have with this new GM and his decision-making strategy to rebuild the team, and the Front Office willingness to restructure a broken franchise.

The Stewart deal was an example of what not to do.

Nothing more and nothing less.
Memory lane...  
Jimmy Googs : 4/23/2019 10:40 pm : link

https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=571238
An even..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/24/2019 8:15 am : link
on memory lane, this still held true:

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Stewart accounts..
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/10/2018 7:53 am : link
for less than 2% of the cap.

There is a lot of hand wringing over nothing.


I guess when a guy posts almost exclusively about Stewart or being "touched by the Hand of God", he's only left with Stewart to grumble about.

Even long after he's gone.

The long troll.....
Locker-room guy  
Jimmy Googs : 4/24/2019 8:23 am : link
with a better pension now...
I'm stunned this thread...  
Strip-Sack : 4/24/2019 8:24 am : link
has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.
RE: I'm stunned this thread...  
Britt in VA : 4/24/2019 8:56 am : link
In comment 14400863 Strip-Sack said:
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has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.


Just people clinging to their definitive takes about what an awful GM Gettleman was/is.

What's really going to be awesome is if the Giants turn it around and have a good season. There will be a lot of backtracking then.
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Jimmy Googs : 4/24/2019 9:17 am : link

RE: RE: I'm stunned this thread...  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/24/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14400926 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14400863 Strip-Sack said:


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has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.



Just people clinging to their definitive takes about what an awful GM Gettleman was/is.

What's really going to be awesome is if the Giants turn it around and have a good season. There will be a lot of backtracking then.

Glad to see you're still so disinterested in this topic.
RE: I'm stunned this thread...  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/24/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14400863 Strip-Sack said:
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has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.

I think a lot of people are missing the point, or maybe I am. I honestly couldn't care less about the dollars that Stewart got. He was overpaid but we all knew that at the time - no one is trying to Monday Morning QB that point at all from what I can tell.

The fact is, DG used Stewart as an example of how positional value is overrated and how commonly held axioms, especially as they relate to RBs' shelf life, are untrue and invalid. And then DG was immediately proven wrong. No one but Gettleman held Stewart out as supporting evidence of how much smarter he is than everyone else when it comes to RBs. No one but Gettleman used Stewart as an opportunity to mock the use of analytics.

IMO, Gettleman has egg on his face not due to the money, but due to his own words. It was a dumb statement then, and even dumber as Stewart's season unfolded. There's really no harm in admitting that, and it's weird that people want to defend it. No one expects DG to have a perfect record (I don't expect that anyway), but I don't think we need to avoid discussing his gaffes, especially when they may go right to the core of the way he views roster construction.
But are..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/24/2019 10:41 am : link
people really defending it??

Look at the Stewart timeline. He was signed before Barkley by a team that had basically a handful of game experience from every back on the roster.

It isn't like he was signed after the draft. He was signed to provide vet leadership to a group that had none of that.

And he became used as an example by many posters to illustrate that DG has no clue how to build a team.
RE: RE: I'm stunned this thread...  
Strip-Sack : 4/24/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14401230 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14400863 Strip-Sack said:


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has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.


I think a lot of people are missing the point, or maybe I am. I honestly couldn't care less about the dollars that Stewart got. He was overpaid but we all knew that at the time - no one is trying to Monday Morning QB that point at all from what I can tell.

The fact is, DG used Stewart as an example of how positional value is overrated and how commonly held axioms, especially as they relate to RBs' shelf life, are untrue and invalid. And then DG was immediately proven wrong. No one but Gettleman held Stewart out as supporting evidence of how much smarter he is than everyone else when it comes to RBs. No one but Gettleman used Stewart as an opportunity to mock the use of analytics.

IMO, Gettleman has egg on his face not due to the money, but due to his own words. It was a dumb statement then, and even dumber as Stewart's season unfolded. There's really no harm in admitting that, and it's weird that people want to defend it. No one expects DG to have a perfect record (I don't expect that anyway), but I don't think we need to avoid discussing his gaffes, especially when they may go right to the core of the way he views roster construction.


Who's defending anything?? I'm certainly not....it's just a big nothing to me...who cares about some minor misstep along the way in rebuilding the roster. Some on here act like this was some major indictment of Gettleman and his abilities....for christs sake, it was a swing and a miss on a very, very minor roster move....these types of things happen on every roster over and over......why conflate it into something it's not?
RE: RE: RE: I'm stunned this thread...  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/24/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14401299 Strip-Sack said:
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In comment 14400863 Strip-Sack said:


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has so many posts, especially of the hang wringing variety....never has such an insignificant signing created so much angst, unbelievable really. One would think he was signed to a 10 yr $80M contract...truly odd.


I think a lot of people are missing the point, or maybe I am. I honestly couldn't care less about the dollars that Stewart got. He was overpaid but we all knew that at the time - no one is trying to Monday Morning QB that point at all from what I can tell.

The fact is, DG used Stewart as an example of how positional value is overrated and how commonly held axioms, especially as they relate to RBs' shelf life, are untrue and invalid. And then DG was immediately proven wrong. No one but Gettleman held Stewart out as supporting evidence of how much smarter he is than everyone else when it comes to RBs. No one but Gettleman used Stewart as an opportunity to mock the use of analytics.

IMO, Gettleman has egg on his face not due to the money, but due to his own words. It was a dumb statement then, and even dumber as Stewart's season unfolded. There's really no harm in admitting that, and it's weird that people want to defend it. No one expects DG to have a perfect record (I don't expect that anyway), but I don't think we need to avoid discussing his gaffes, especially when they may go right to the core of the way he views roster construction.



Who's defending anything?? I'm certainly not....it's just a big nothing to me...who cares about some minor misstep along the way in rebuilding the roster. Some on here act like this was some major indictment of Gettleman and his abilities....for christs sake, it was a swing and a miss on a very, very minor roster move....these types of things happen on every roster over and over......why conflate it into something it's not?

There's the impasse, I guess. I agree that the roster move is basically nothing. It was the greater point that Gettleman himself championed the move as evidence that his approach to roster construction and positional value was superior to the more common view around the league.

My point throughout the thread has been that Gettleman didn't need to even include Stewart in the conversation just like he didn't need to go on about his opinion of analytics. He could have just acknowledged that Barkley is the kind of prospect that you break all the rules for, and he would have been 100% correct.

All the other stuff, centered on Stewart in particular, was unnecessary and wound up being woefully incorrect anyway. But it did provide some insight into how he views his own approach relative to his competitors. Gettleman displayed a great willingness and ability to pivot when his initial evaluation of last year's roster (that they could compete last season) was wrong. We'll see if he's equally willing to continue adjusting when there is evidence to suggest it.
As someone mentioned on the other thread  
Jimmy Googs : 4/24/2019 11:35 am : link
Giants just created some extra cap room, so Stewart may be getting a call from DG soon...
But..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/24/2019 11:38 am : link
he's not a troll people!!
No...he's just making fun  
Jimmy Googs : 4/24/2019 11:49 am : link
of your reactions of people's reactions.

people...

Once...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/24/2019 12:00 pm : link
the "Hand of God" comments couldn't be used to mock, you were left with half of a trick to use with the pony.

Rehashing Stewart is all you have left.

That to me is the biggest regret of the signing. Empowering fucking trolls.
I didn't know hand-of-god was my color commentary, especially since  
Jimmy Googs : 4/24/2019 12:08 pm : link
I like Barkley. You just get too caught up bitching at so many people, you lose track of for what I guess.

But i do enjoy when you get all bent of shape though...
Good to see the aggressive stupidity by the pro-DG crowd  
TD : 4/24/2019 12:58 pm : link
I thought theyd back off of their earlier defense of this move. But no... not these guys. They double down!

Sometimes, its ok to admit you were wrong or just slink away..
I love the term pro-DG being used as a slam, or any NYG player....  
Britt in VA : 4/24/2019 1:13 pm : link
Shouldn't we all be pro-DG?

This conversation isn't about Stewart. That's what some of you can't wrap your head around. It's about why a guy who was so inconsequential and cut already is still being discussed on a daily basis, and what the motivation of that might be (is).
RE: I love the term pro-DG being used as a slam, or any NYG player....  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/24/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14401726 Britt in VA said:
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Shouldn't we all be pro-DG?

This conversation isn't about Stewart. That's what some of you can't wrap your head around. It's about why a guy who was so inconsequential and cut already is still being discussed on a daily basis, and what the motivation of that might be (is).

Still disinterested I see.

Maybe you can find some time in your busy schedule of determining what's an interesting BBI topic worthy of discussion to stop telling people what the conversation is about.

For me, it's about our GM taking an opportunity to make an unnecessary statement about an unrelated player at a press conference for his 1st round pick last year. And that statement went right to his contrarian stubbornness, and he was wrong. He was wrong then, and most people knew it (anyone could see that his statement that Stewart hadn't lost anything in 10 years was incorrect on its face), and then reality unfolded in a way that made him even more wrong. It was a moment that he was mocked for, and deservedly so.

No one gives a crap about whether Stewart was a good signing. But don't stand in front of the media declaring yourself smarter than the football universe in general. Remember when Reese called McAdoo the smartest guy in the room? Douche move, right? Gettleman called himself the smartest guy in the room and was wrong about it anyway.

I'm sorry that's so difficult for you to grasp. Maybe take your own advice now and move on.
You're the one that's having trouble with grasping what's being  
Britt in VA : 4/24/2019 1:42 pm : link
discussed, as several posters have already told you.
RE: You're the one that's having trouble with grasping what's being  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/24/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14401779 Britt in VA said:
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discussed, as several posters have already told you.

Not really. All of them keep fixating on the contract itself being inconsequential, which I agree with.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I just don't like our GM looking like a fucking buffoon in front of the entire football world. And he did.
Don't you think saying Gettleman....  
Britt in VA : 4/24/2019 2:11 pm : link
looked like a buffoon in front of the entire football world over a signing most fans of other teams, and the media outside of NY didn't blink at, an overreaction? Of course you don't, and that's why we're here right now.
It really pains me to say this...  
bw in dc : 4/24/2019 2:20 pm : link
and I may be the most anti-DG on this board, but Britt is actually right on most of this.

This reaction to the Stewart signing is a mountain out of a mole hole. Of the lengthy list of things to questions DG's judgment, this is way at the bottom...
RE: Don't you think saying Gettleman....  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/24/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14401848 Britt in VA said:
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looked like a buffoon in front of the entire football world over a signing most fans of other teams, and the media outside of NY didn't blink at, an overreaction? Of course you don't, and that's why we're here right now.

Maybe you don't remember but that was the press conference where DG pretended to bang on a toy keyboard mocking the use of analytics. I think buffoon is rather appropriate, actually:



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I think a lot of that stuff is nonsense. I think it is someone who had decided to get into the analytics of it and went through whatever. Jonathan Stewart is in his 10th year and he has not lost anything. I dont believe in that."


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