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I know we're not drafting Haskins but...

2ndroundKO : 4/23/2019 11:14 am
This ESPN article from Ian O'Connor sure does make you consider. Sounds like someone is going to get a very good QB if they are patient.


Why the Giants Should Draft Dwayne Haskins as Eli Manning's Successor - ( New Window )
How do you know that  
robbieballs2003 : 4/23/2019 11:15 am : link
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We don't know what the Giants are going to do  
ZogZerg : 4/23/2019 11:15 am : link
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My gut is starting to tell me Haskins at 6  
Sean : 4/23/2019 11:16 am : link
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if it's Haskins at 6  
ryanmkeane : 4/23/2019 11:17 am : link
jtgiants will have some explainin to do
Just don't trade up for him, or any QB.  
rasbutant : 4/23/2019 11:18 am : link
Please.
I think we're taking Haskins  
Jints in Carolina : 4/23/2019 11:20 am : link
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RE: How do you know that  
2ndroundKO : 4/23/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14399361 robbieballs2003 said:
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I don't but jtgiants has been money all off-season. But after reading this article, I hope he's wrong here.
Giants  
PaulN : 4/23/2019 11:23 am : link
Pass on Haskins and he is there at 6, they better be right, because if they aren't, Gettleman will not survive it, nor will the Giants, they will spiral down the tubes. They can not get this wrong. Unless they are sold on a QB next off season, which would be dangerous to count on, since we may end up a 500 team with this schedule.
RE: I think we're taking Haskins  
arcarsenal : 4/23/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14399383 Jints in Carolina said:
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I hope you're right.
No one knows who the Giants are drafting...  
M.S. : 4/23/2019 11:27 am : link

...especially 99.9999999999999999% of BBI posters.
People  
AcidTest : 4/23/2019 11:28 am : link
are overthinking this. We're taking a defensive player at #6 unless we get a great offer to trade down. Hope that Josh Allen somehow slips to us.
Who the hell knows?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/23/2019 11:28 am : link
Just sit back, relax, & enjoy an adult beverage. That's what I'll be doing Thursday night.
jtgiants is just passing along what he knows  
Oscar : 4/23/2019 11:32 am : link
Don’t shoot the messenger if he turns out to be off the mark. I assure you that his source is not Dave Gettleman or John Mara, so it’s not going to be 100% accurate. Still nice to have.
If he has  
shyster : 4/23/2019 11:38 am : link
why did he throw 52 mph on the same radar gun that had Brett Rypien at 59 mph?

I don't pose this as a rhetorical question. But it is a question that someone writing a serious, balanced article rather than a a puff piece of advocacy would have to address.

And, real world, it's a bigger reason than his slow 40 time for the lack of buzz.
Title error  
shyster : 4/23/2019 11:40 am : link
Should say "if he has an explosive arm"

not sure why that happens
RE: if it's Haskins at 6  
bluepepper : 4/23/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14399372 ryanmkeane said:
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jtgiants will have some explainin to do

I was sent here by Giants FO to spread misinformation would be a perfectly acceptable explanation to me. We all b*tch about the Giants telegraphing their picks. Step one to not do that would be to make sure the most popular NYG internet forum doesn't have any clue at all what the team is thinking.
RE: jtgiants is just passing along what he knows  
Ira : 4/23/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14399413 Oscar said:
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Don’t shoot the messenger if he turns out to be off the mark. I assure you that his source is not Dave Gettleman or John Mara, so it’s not going to be 100% accurate. Still nice to have.


I agree. jtg is a great asset to this site.

I'm starting to think that a number of the qb's in this draft are as good as Darnold - including Murray, Haskins, Lock, Jones and Grier.
Eli is throwing the ball  
Little boy Lost : 4/23/2019 11:58 am : link
on a seam down in the Carolinas to our best offensive weapons. We have no need to concern ourselves about a QB. You saw Tiger Woods comeback? This will be bigger.
This Is A NYG Media Preview If I Ever Saw One  
DeepBlueJint : 4/23/2019 11:59 am : link
Reading this article, I can not help but think that this is a leaked/ orchestrated effort with the Giants to justify their view on drafting Haskins at #6.

Personally, I have no problem with the pick at #6. If Gettlemen and company think he is a franchise QB who can get them to the Super Bowl, then go for it. #17 will surely provide them with an ER.

Works for me.
RE: if it's Haskins at 6  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/23/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14399372 ryanmkeane said:
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jtgiants will have some explainin to do


Why? He passed along info he was fed! If that info was false or misleading, that's not on him.

Give credit to the Giants' FO for running a rope a dope on folks.

No shame on jtgiants whatsoever.

Same goes for JonC or GoDeep13.
RE: jtgiants is just passing along what he knows  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/23/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14399413 Oscar said:
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Don’t shoot the messenger if he turns out to be off the mark. I assure you that his source is not Dave Gettleman or John Mara, so it’s not going to be 100% accurate. Still nice to have.


Bingo.
We are drafting Haskins at 6 if he’s there  
TD : 4/23/2019 12:20 pm : link
It’s Haskins.
The Giants have spent a lot of time with Haskins  
larryflower37 : 4/23/2019 12:43 pm : link
I can't shake the feeling that they are smoke screening this thing.
I like Haskins the most  
Heisenberg : 4/23/2019 12:44 pm : link
I'd be happy if they picked him at 6
My point is  
ryanmkeane : 4/23/2019 12:56 pm : link
jt has told people to "stop talking about Haskins" because its not happening and has basically made a mockery of it. So yes, IF it does happen, he deserves to get some shit
no, not shit, not at all  
ColHowPepper : 4/23/2019 1:02 pm : link
I for one will be fascinated how his info came down to him--to the extent he can explain it without compromising his source--and to get his perspective on when, how, and where it may have gone off the rails.

These are the kinds of tangents, changes in course, misdirection that make this time of year so compelling. Shit? No way!
RE: My point is  
Sean : 4/23/2019 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14399570 ryanmkeane said:
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jt has told people to "stop talking about Haskins" because its not happening and has basically made a mockery of it. So yes, IF it does happen, he deserves to get some shit


jt does seem to have quite a chip on his shoulder re: all of this, so I tend to agree with you.
RE: My point is  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/23/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14399570 ryanmkeane said:
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jt has told people to "stop talking about Haskins" because its not happening and has basically made a mockery of it. So yes, IF it does happen, he deserves to get some shit


JT has also said quite frankly that he has a low grade on Haskins. So if you must, give him shit about being off in his evaluation, but not in passing along info he assumed was real.

You don't shoot the messenger!
Look guys  
jtgiants : 4/23/2019 1:20 pm : link
My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick
RE: If he has  
Deejboy : 4/23/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14399423 shyster said:
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why did he throw 52 mph on the same radar gun that had Brett Rypien at 59 mph?

I don't pose this as a rhetorical question. But it is a question that someone writing a serious, balanced article rather than a a puff piece of advocacy would have to address.

And, real world, it's a bigger reason than his slow 40 time for the lack of buzz.

Drew Lock supposedly has a "cannon arm" and eleite arm strength and was at 53 mph on the radar gun at the combine. The same as Trace McSorley who were are told doesn't have an NFL arm. Daniel Jones was 54 mph. Tree Jackson who also is suppose to have a cannon arm was 54 mph. Meanwhile Will Grier was is suppose to have an average arm led everyone with 59mph. Ryan Finley who has a below average arm was 55mph the same as Pat Mahomes in 2017.

I think this shows the radar gun thing isn't really a great indication of arm strength.
My gut tells me we are indeed drafting Haskins  
Stupendamatic : 4/23/2019 1:28 pm : link
It just feels like the perfect fit.
RE: Look guys  
Sean : 4/23/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14399588 jtgiants said:
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My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick


Thanks, jt!
i would not sleep on haskins  
hitdog42 : 4/23/2019 1:46 pm : link
my guess would be hes ranked below murray but above jones.
I don't know any insider info,  
Go Terps : 4/23/2019 1:49 pm : link
but I can't imagine many or any teams ranking Haskins above Jones. Out of shape and shitty feet are huge red flags for a QB. I wouldn't even think about Haskins until round 4, if at all.
I like Haskins, always have  
GiantsLaw : 4/23/2019 1:49 pm : link
but hope we go DL/OL @ #6
RE: RE: If he has an explosive arm  
shyster : 4/23/2019 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14399589 Deejboy said:
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In comment 14399423 shyster said:


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why did he throw 52 mph on the same radar gun that had Brett Rypien at 59 mph?

I don't pose this as a rhetorical question. But it is a question that someone writing a serious, balanced article rather than a a puff piece of advocacy would have to address.

And, real world, it's a bigger reason than his slow 40 time for the lack of buzz.


Drew Lock supposedly has a "cannon arm" and eleite arm strength and was at 53 mph on the radar gun at the combine. The same as Trace McSorley who were are told doesn't have an NFL arm. Daniel Jones was 54 mph. Tree Jackson who also is suppose to have a cannon arm was 54 mph. Meanwhile Will Grier was is suppose to have an average arm led everyone with 59mph. Ryan Finley who has a below average arm was 55mph the same as Pat Mahomes in 2017.

I think this shows the radar gun thing isn't really a great indication of arm strength.


To address Mahomes first: there is dispute about the 2017 data. Dane Bugler's published velocity data was 4-5 mph per QB higher than that published by Ourlads.

And, whichever set you look at, Mahomes is at the top of the '17 class.

That's why I mentioned Haskins being 7 mph behind Brett Rypien on the same gun.

The top three QBS in velocity last year were Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen. Among QBS who threw, they were the first three drafted.

Mason Rudolph was being talked about as a first round QB before the combine. He threw 52 mph and wound up going at the end of the third round.

Yes, people may have thought Drew Lock had a cannon arm, just like they may have thought that about Haskins. The eye can deceive.

As we're approaching draft day, there is a distinct lack of buzz about the QBs who did not impress at the combine. There is talk the Broncos aren't really interested in Lock.

The stock market expression is to beware catching the falling knife. We'll see which knives are falling Thursday eve.

RE: Who the hell knows?  
Thinblueline : 4/23/2019 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14399404 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Just sit back, relax, & enjoy an adult beverage. That's what I'll be doing Thursday night.


Very well said my friend... That will make atleast two of us!
RE: Look guys  
Thinblueline : 4/23/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14399588 jtgiants said:
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My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick


The only people that know who the pick will be is Gettleman and Shurmur... Don't know who your contact is but I'm sure it's not either of them...
RE: RE: Look guys  
JonC : 4/23/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14399720 Thinblueline said:
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In comment 14399588 jtgiants said:


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My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick



The only people that know who the pick will be is Gettleman and Shurmur... Don't know who your contact is but I'm sure it's not either of them...


It doesn't have to be, they info comes in various forms.
i have said several times  
hitdog42 : 4/23/2019 2:39 pm : link
that I am no longer deep in the weeds on the intel- but i do think its quite misguided to say that Haskins is not in the mix- in particular if the flex 3-4 savy D studs are gone as expected.
jtgiants is relaying what he's heard  
JonC : 4/23/2019 2:42 pm : link
I've heard the same, no Haskins at #6. Let's see if it changes after DG tweaks the board, whatever that means.
RE: RE: RE: Look guys  
Giants38 : 4/23/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14399774 JonC said:
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In comment 14399720 Thinblueline said:


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In comment 14399588 jtgiants said:


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My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick



The only people that know who the pick will be is Gettleman and Shurmur... Don't know who your contact is but I'm sure it's not either of them...



It doesn't have to be, they info comes in various forms.


We’ll see. Last year people had Darnold or Allen nailed as the Browns’ pick through the morning of the draft. That’s because Dorsey was fed up with the leaks that plagued that organization, so he kept the info to himself.

I’m not going to pretend I know what Gettleman is going to do. He thinks he is smarter than everyone else and that is a theme that has remained constant since his hire. In two years he has:

1) Mocked a reporter for asking about analytics;
2) Said you don’t quit on talent;
3) Said I didn’t sign OBJ to trade him;
4) Disregarded 2 and 3 and traded OBJ;
5) Etc.

All this to say that the guy is a walking contradiction. For all we know, he may have hated Haskins, then met with him, and now loves him. Who knows?

I’m open about wanting Haskins to be the pick. I hope on Thursday it is.

Here’s to Hoping For Haskins!
You need to stop accepting his media bits as fact  
JonC : 4/23/2019 2:56 pm : link
the media serves different purposes and part of his job is cloak and dagger, despite how many here dislike it.
RE: jtgiants is relaying what he's heard  
Mike in NJ : 4/23/2019 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14399806 JonC said:
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I've heard the same, no Haskins at #6. Let's see if it changes after DG tweaks the board, whatever that means.


Is it possible you both have the same source? I don’t know if you two have ever had that discussion, but it seems like the two of you usually have the same intel so maybe that’s the reason?
RE: i have said several times  
Giantz_comeback : 4/23/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14399794 hitdog42 said:
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that I am no longer deep in the weeds on the intel- but i do think its quite misguided to say that Haskins is not in the mix- in particular if the flex 3-4 savy D studs are gone as expected.


Wilkins could be the 'fall back' high character, lead dog Dline versatile guy. If Q, Bosa , Allen don't fall.

Oliver to me doesnt seem to have the impeccable character type DG seems to be stressing.
I haven't communicated with him off this forum  
JonC : 4/23/2019 3:01 pm : link
Eric might be able to confirm, but it might be better to not dig too deep into it.
RE: Look guys  
Giantz_comeback : 4/23/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14399588 jtgiants said:
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My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick


Totally believe you.

If you listen carefully to what DG has been saying i.e reading between the lines, its pretty clear its going to be pass rush and most likely a 3-4 DL versatile guy if he can help it.
RE: You need to stop accepting his media bits as fact  
Giants38 : 4/23/2019 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14399851 JonC said:
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the media serves different purposes and part of his job is cloak and dagger, despite how many here dislike it.


I don’t accept anything Gettleman says as fact. I don’t believe much of ehT he says, though his poker face last year was horrific. If this is a smokescreen - and I hope it all is and we take Haskins - I will pat him on the back and give credit where it is due. He would make a believer out of me.
jtgiants  
Devour the Day : 4/23/2019 4:01 pm : link
You never have to explain yourself. Thanks for all your insight and contributions to this forum.
Same goes to JonC also.
Would love to know who you really think the pick will be at 6 & 17 when its all said and done?????
RE: RE: jtgiants is relaying what he's heard  
Strahan91 : 4/23/2019 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14399860 Mike in NJ said:
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I've heard the same, no Haskins at #6. Let's see if it changes after DG tweaks the board, whatever that means.



Is it possible you both have the same source? I don’t know if you two have ever had that discussion, but it seems like the two of you usually have the same intel so maybe that’s the reason?

I’ve noticed the same thing although although my hunch is that the reason is something else entirely.
RE: No one knows who the Giants are drafting...  
djm : 4/23/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14399400 M.S. said:
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...especially 99.9999999999999999% of BBI posters.


Unless DG and maybe 1-2 other nyg bosses post here that number is 100%.
DG loves to hear himself talk. I love to hear him talk.  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/23/2019 9:04 pm : link
Guy is entertaining. But you gotta separate the wheat from the chaff and when he is talking there is a helluva lot of chaff. This is why I think this year may be different than the last 20 years I've been on this board. The only thing that gives me pause our insiders are being fed misleading info is that ESPN as a whole seems pretty convinced we are going Haskins. Surprised Glazer doesn't chime in on draft, but his connections are more through players than front office it seems.
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arcarsenal : 4/23/2019 9:11 pm : link
Well, if people were angry in the past about NYG telegraphing their picks and it being too obvious who they covet...

I think it's safe to say this year, that is not the case.

A lot of pundits have us taking Haskins. Our guys are saying no way.. most likely defense, and if it's a QB, it's Jones.

We've been connected to basically every QB in some way. Even Murray. We've met with OT's, ER's, all of the major QB's... and a trade for Rosen has been floated or at least explored to some degree.

Regardless of who anyone wants or what any of us hope happen, I think we'd all have to agree that NYG certainly haven't given anything away so far and that for the most part, none of us have a clue what they're going to do when they're on the clock.
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