Pass on Haskins and he is there at 6, they better be right, because if they aren't, Gettleman will not survive it, nor will the Giants, they will spiral down the tubes. They can not get this wrong. Unless they are sold on a QB next off season, which would be dangerous to count on, since we may end up a 500 team with this schedule.
Don’t shoot the messenger if he turns out to be off the mark. I assure you that his source is not Dave Gettleman or John Mara, so it’s not going to be 100% accurate. Still nice to have.
why did he throw 52 mph on the same radar gun that had Brett Rypien at 59 mph?
I don't pose this as a rhetorical question. But it is a question that someone writing a serious, balanced article rather than a a puff piece of advocacy would have to address.
And, real world, it's a bigger reason than his slow 40 time for the lack of buzz.
I was sent here by Giants FO to spread misinformation would be a perfectly acceptable explanation to me. We all b*tch about the Giants telegraphing their picks. Step one to not do that would be to make sure the most popular NYG internet forum doesn't have any clue at all what the team is thinking.
RE: jtgiants is just passing along what he knows Â
Don’t shoot the messenger if he turns out to be off the mark. I assure you that his source is not Dave Gettleman or John Mara, so it’s not going to be 100% accurate. Still nice to have.
I agree. jtg is a great asset to this site.
I'm starting to think that a number of the qb's in this draft are as good as Darnold - including Murray, Haskins, Lock, Jones and Grier.
on a seam down in the Carolinas to our best offensive weapons. We have no need to concern ourselves about a QB. You saw Tiger Woods comeback? This will be bigger.
Reading this article, I can not help but think that this is a leaked/ orchestrated effort with the Giants to justify their view on drafting Haskins at #6.
Personally, I have no problem with the pick at #6. If Gettlemen and company think he is a franchise QB who can get them to the Super Bowl, then go for it. #17 will surely provide them with an ER.
Don’t shoot the messenger if he turns out to be off the mark. I assure you that his source is not Dave Gettleman or John Mara, so it’s not going to be 100% accurate. Still nice to have.
jt has told people to "stop talking about Haskins" because its not happening and has basically made a mockery of it. So yes, IF it does happen, he deserves to get some shit
I for one will be fascinated how his info came down to him--to the extent he can explain it without compromising his source--and to get his perspective on when, how, and where it may have gone off the rails.
These are the kinds of tangents, changes in course, misdirection that make this time of year so compelling. Shit? No way!
jt has told people to "stop talking about Haskins" because its not happening and has basically made a mockery of it. So yes, IF it does happen, he deserves to get some shit
jt does seem to have quite a chip on his shoulder re: all of this, so I tend to agree with you.
jt has told people to "stop talking about Haskins" because its not happening and has basically made a mockery of it. So yes, IF it does happen, he deserves to get some shit
JT has also said quite frankly that he has a low grade on Haskins. So if you must, give him shit about being off in his evaluation, but not in passing along info he assumed was real.
My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick
why did he throw 52 mph on the same radar gun that had Brett Rypien at 59 mph?
I don't pose this as a rhetorical question. But it is a question that someone writing a serious, balanced article rather than a a puff piece of advocacy would have to address.
And, real world, it's a bigger reason than his slow 40 time for the lack of buzz.
Drew Lock supposedly has a "cannon arm" and eleite arm strength and was at 53 mph on the radar gun at the combine. The same as Trace McSorley who were are told doesn't have an NFL arm. Daniel Jones was 54 mph. Tree Jackson who also is suppose to have a cannon arm was 54 mph. Meanwhile Will Grier was is suppose to have an average arm led everyone with 59mph. Ryan Finley who has a below average arm was 55mph the same as Pat Mahomes in 2017.
I think this shows the radar gun thing isn't really a great indication of arm strength.
My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick
but I can't imagine many or any teams ranking Haskins above Jones. Out of shape and shitty feet are huge red flags for a QB. I wouldn't even think about Haskins until round 4, if at all.
why did he throw 52 mph on the same radar gun that had Brett Rypien at 59 mph?
I don't pose this as a rhetorical question. But it is a question that someone writing a serious, balanced article rather than a a puff piece of advocacy would have to address.
And, real world, it's a bigger reason than his slow 40 time for the lack of buzz.
Drew Lock supposedly has a "cannon arm" and eleite arm strength and was at 53 mph on the radar gun at the combine. The same as Trace McSorley who were are told doesn't have an NFL arm. Daniel Jones was 54 mph. Tree Jackson who also is suppose to have a cannon arm was 54 mph. Meanwhile Will Grier was is suppose to have an average arm led everyone with 59mph. Ryan Finley who has a below average arm was 55mph the same as Pat Mahomes in 2017.
I think this shows the radar gun thing isn't really a great indication of arm strength.
To address Mahomes first: there is dispute about the 2017 data. Dane Bugler's published velocity data was 4-5 mph per QB higher than that published by Ourlads.
And, whichever set you look at, Mahomes is at the top of the '17 class.
That's why I mentioned Haskins being 7 mph behind Brett Rypien on the same gun.
The top three QBS in velocity last year were Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen. Among QBS who threw, they were the first three drafted.
Mason Rudolph was being talked about as a first round QB before the combine. He threw 52 mph and wound up going at the end of the third round.
Yes, people may have thought Drew Lock had a cannon arm, just like they may have thought that about Haskins. The eye can deceive.
As we're approaching draft day, there is a distinct lack of buzz about the QBs who did not impress at the combine. There is talk the Broncos aren't really interested in Lock.
The stock market expression is to beware catching the falling knife. We'll see which knives are falling Thursday eve.
My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick
The only people that know who the pick will be is Gettleman and Shurmur... Don't know who your contact is but I'm sure it's not either of them...
My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick
The only people that know who the pick will be is Gettleman and Shurmur... Don't know who your contact is but I'm sure it's not either of them...
It doesn't have to be, they info comes in various forms.
that I am no longer deep in the weeds on the intel- but i do think its quite misguided to say that Haskins is not in the mix- in particular if the flex 3-4 savy D studs are gone as expected.
My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick
The only people that know who the pick will be is Gettleman and Shurmur... Don't know who your contact is but I'm sure it's not either of them...
It doesn't have to be, they info comes in various forms.
We’ll see. Last year people had Darnold or Allen nailed as the Browns’ pick through the morning of the draft. That’s because Dorsey was fed up with the leaks that plagued that organization, so he kept the info to himself.
I’m not going to pretend I know what Gettleman is going to do. He thinks he is smarter than everyone else and that is a theme that has remained constant since his hire. In two years he has:
1) Mocked a reporter for asking about analytics;
2) Said you don’t quit on talent;
3) Said I didn’t sign OBJ to trade him;
4) Disregarded 2 and 3 and traded OBJ;
5) Etc.
All this to say that the guy is a walking contradiction. For all we know, he may have hated Haskins, then met with him, and now loves him. Who knows?
I’m open about wanting Haskins to be the pick. I hope on Thursday it is.
Here’s to Hoping For Haskins!
You need to stop accepting his media bits as fact Â
I've heard the same, no Haskins at #6. Let's see if it changes after DG tweaks the board, whatever that means.
Is it possible you both have the same source? I don’t know if you two have ever had that discussion, but it seems like the two of you usually have the same intel so maybe that’s the reason?
that I am no longer deep in the weeds on the intel- but i do think its quite misguided to say that Haskins is not in the mix- in particular if the flex 3-4 savy D studs are gone as expected.
Wilkins could be the 'fall back' high character, lead dog Dline versatile guy. If Q, Bosa , Allen don't fall.
Oliver to me doesnt seem to have the impeccable character type DG seems to be stressing.
My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick
Totally believe you.
If you listen carefully to what DG has been saying i.e reading between the lines, its pretty clear its going to be pass rush and most likely a 3-4 DL versatile guy if he can help it.
RE: You need to stop accepting his media bits as fact Â
the media serves different purposes and part of his job is cloak and dagger, despite how many here dislike it.
I don’t accept anything Gettleman says as fact. I don’t believe much of ehT he says, though his poker face last year was horrific. If this is a smokescreen - and I hope it all is and we take Haskins - I will pat him on the back and give credit where it is due. He would make a believer out of me.
You never have to explain yourself. Thanks for all your insight and contributions to this forum.
Same goes to JonC also.
Would love to know who you really think the pick will be at 6 & 17 when its all said and done?????
I've heard the same, no Haskins at #6. Let's see if it changes after DG tweaks the board, whatever that means.
Is it possible you both have the same source? I don’t know if you two have ever had that discussion, but it seems like the two of you usually have the same intel so maybe that’s the reason?
I’ve noticed the same thing although although my hunch is that the reason is something else entirely.
Guy is entertaining. But you gotta separate the wheat from the chaff and when he is talking there is a helluva lot of chaff. This is why I think this year may be different than the last 20 years I've been on this board. The only thing that gives me pause our insiders are being fed misleading info is that ESPN as a whole seems pretty convinced we are going Haskins. Surprised Glazer doesn't chime in on draft, but his connections are more through players than front office it seems.
Well, if people were angry in the past about NYG telegraphing their picks and it being too obvious who they covet...
I think it's safe to say this year, that is not the case.
A lot of pundits have us taking Haskins. Our guys are saying no way.. most likely defense, and if it's a QB, it's Jones.
We've been connected to basically every QB in some way. Even Murray. We've met with OT's, ER's, all of the major QB's... and a trade for Rosen has been floated or at least explored to some degree.
Regardless of who anyone wants or what any of us hope happen, I think we'd all have to agree that NYG certainly haven't given anything away so far and that for the most part, none of us have a clue what they're going to do when they're on the clock.
I don't but jtgiants has been money all off-season. But after reading this article, I hope he's wrong here.
I hope you're right.
...especially 99.9999999999999999% of BBI posters.
I don't pose this as a rhetorical question. But it is a question that someone writing a serious, balanced article rather than a a puff piece of advocacy would have to address.
And, real world, it's a bigger reason than his slow 40 time for the lack of buzz.
not sure why that happens
I was sent here by Giants FO to spread misinformation would be a perfectly acceptable explanation to me. We all b*tch about the Giants telegraphing their picks. Step one to not do that would be to make sure the most popular NYG internet forum doesn't have any clue at all what the team is thinking.
I agree. jtg is a great asset to this site.
I'm starting to think that a number of the qb's in this draft are as good as Darnold - including Murray, Haskins, Lock, Jones and Grier.
Personally, I have no problem with the pick at #6. If Gettlemen and company think he is a franchise QB who can get them to the Super Bowl, then go for it. #17 will surely provide them with an ER.
Works for me.
Why? He passed along info he was fed! If that info was false or misleading, that's not on him.
Give credit to the Giants' FO for running a rope a dope on folks.
No shame on jtgiants whatsoever.
Same goes for JonC or GoDeep13.
Bingo.
These are the kinds of tangents, changes in course, misdirection that make this time of year so compelling. Shit? No way!
jt does seem to have quite a chip on his shoulder re: all of this, so I tend to agree with you.
JT has also said quite frankly that he has a low grade on Haskins. So if you must, give him shit about being off in his evaluation, but not in passing along info he assumed was real.
You don't shoot the messenger!
I don't pose this as a rhetorical question. But it is a question that someone writing a serious, balanced article rather than a a puff piece of advocacy would have to address.
And, real world, it's a bigger reason than his slow 40 time for the lack of buzz.
Drew Lock supposedly has a "cannon arm" and eleite arm strength and was at 53 mph on the radar gun at the combine. The same as Trace McSorley who were are told doesn't have an NFL arm. Daniel Jones was 54 mph. Tree Jackson who also is suppose to have a cannon arm was 54 mph. Meanwhile Will Grier was is suppose to have an average arm led everyone with 59mph. Ryan Finley who has a below average arm was 55mph the same as Pat Mahomes in 2017.
I think this shows the radar gun thing isn't really a great indication of arm strength.
Thanks, jt!
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why did he throw 52 mph on the same radar gun that had Brett Rypien at 59 mph?
I don't pose this as a rhetorical question. But it is a question that someone writing a serious, balanced article rather than a a puff piece of advocacy would have to address.
And, real world, it's a bigger reason than his slow 40 time for the lack of buzz.
Drew Lock supposedly has a "cannon arm" and eleite arm strength and was at 53 mph on the radar gun at the combine. The same as Trace McSorley who were are told doesn't have an NFL arm. Daniel Jones was 54 mph. Tree Jackson who also is suppose to have a cannon arm was 54 mph. Meanwhile Will Grier was is suppose to have an average arm led everyone with 59mph. Ryan Finley who has a below average arm was 55mph the same as Pat Mahomes in 2017.
I think this shows the radar gun thing isn't really a great indication of arm strength.
To address Mahomes first: there is dispute about the 2017 data. Dane Bugler's published velocity data was 4-5 mph per QB higher than that published by Ourlads.
And, whichever set you look at, Mahomes is at the top of the '17 class.
That's why I mentioned Haskins being 7 mph behind Brett Rypien on the same gun.
The top three QBS in velocity last year were Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen. Among QBS who threw, they were the first three drafted.
Mason Rudolph was being talked about as a first round QB before the combine. He threw 52 mph and wound up going at the end of the third round.
Yes, people may have thought Drew Lock had a cannon arm, just like they may have thought that about Haskins. The eye can deceive.
As we're approaching draft day, there is a distinct lack of buzz about the QBs who did not impress at the combine. There is talk the Broncos aren't really interested in Lock.
The stock market expression is to beware catching the falling knife. We'll see which knives are falling Thursday eve.
Very well said my friend... That will make atleast two of us!
The only people that know who the pick will be is Gettleman and Shurmur... Don't know who your contact is but I'm sure it's not either of them...
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My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick
The only people that know who the pick will be is Gettleman and Shurmur... Don't know who your contact is but I'm sure it's not either of them...
It doesn't have to be, they info comes in various forms.
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My track record isnt perfect but it's damn good. Im telling you ILL BE STUNNED if it's Haskins. Everything I hear is he's not even in the conversation at 6. I stand by what I was told. No reason not too. Remember though I have given you the insight on this and other tidbits this off-season. Things are always fluid but I'd be real surprised if he's the pick
The only people that know who the pick will be is Gettleman and Shurmur... Don't know who your contact is but I'm sure it's not either of them...
It doesn't have to be, they info comes in various forms.
We’ll see. Last year people had Darnold or Allen nailed as the Browns’ pick through the morning of the draft. That’s because Dorsey was fed up with the leaks that plagued that organization, so he kept the info to himself.
I’m not going to pretend I know what Gettleman is going to do. He thinks he is smarter than everyone else and that is a theme that has remained constant since his hire. In two years he has:
1) Mocked a reporter for asking about analytics;
2) Said you don’t quit on talent;
3) Said I didn’t sign OBJ to trade him;
4) Disregarded 2 and 3 and traded OBJ;
5) Etc.
All this to say that the guy is a walking contradiction. For all we know, he may have hated Haskins, then met with him, and now loves him. Who knows?
I’m open about wanting Haskins to be the pick. I hope on Thursday it is.
Here’s to Hoping For Haskins!
Is it possible you both have the same source? I don’t know if you two have ever had that discussion, but it seems like the two of you usually have the same intel so maybe that’s the reason?
Wilkins could be the 'fall back' high character, lead dog Dline versatile guy. If Q, Bosa , Allen don't fall.
Oliver to me doesnt seem to have the impeccable character type DG seems to be stressing.
Totally believe you.
If you listen carefully to what DG has been saying i.e reading between the lines, its pretty clear its going to be pass rush and most likely a 3-4 DL versatile guy if he can help it.
I don’t accept anything Gettleman says as fact. I don’t believe much of ehT he says, though his poker face last year was horrific. If this is a smokescreen - and I hope it all is and we take Haskins - I will pat him on the back and give credit where it is due. He would make a believer out of me.
Same goes to JonC also.
Would love to know who you really think the pick will be at 6 & 17 when its all said and done?????
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I've heard the same, no Haskins at #6. Let's see if it changes after DG tweaks the board, whatever that means.
Is it possible you both have the same source? I don’t know if you two have ever had that discussion, but it seems like the two of you usually have the same intel so maybe that’s the reason?
I’ve noticed the same thing although although my hunch is that the reason is something else entirely.
...especially 99.9999999999999999% of BBI posters.
Unless DG and maybe 1-2 other nyg bosses post here that number is 100%.
I think it's safe to say this year, that is not the case.
A lot of pundits have us taking Haskins. Our guys are saying no way.. most likely defense, and if it's a QB, it's Jones.
We've been connected to basically every QB in some way. Even Murray. We've met with OT's, ER's, all of the major QB's... and a trade for Rosen has been floated or at least explored to some degree.
Regardless of who anyone wants or what any of us hope happen, I think we'd all have to agree that NYG certainly haven't given anything away so far and that for the most part, none of us have a clue what they're going to do when they're on the clock.