Here we stand, 2 days before the draft and most of us have had some time to think about whether we like or dislike the trade. It is a polarizing trade for sure. Are we going to be able to replace his production? Not sure the roster as it is set now will prevent defenses from filling the box to stop SB. So BBI, how do you feel about the trade one month later and how should we proceed? Does Engram and his late year production sooth the loss or are we in search of a new number one? Personally, I was surprised by the decision but have come to grips with what has transpired.
on the trade itself... while bummed that they traded him at a time when they were getting more weapons to take advantage of his talents again.... I am absolutely fine with him being gone. the team wants to build the offense differently as evidence by the people they are signing. a slot WR and another slot/move the chains grinder. trading edge rush for OG. its fine with me. But I am not going to live in a fantasy land that says trading him is addition by subtraction because factually... he carried a crappy offense to the playoffs. so the team when it sucked... sucked less because of him. he then got hurt on a sh$t throw over the middle. not like he just pulled a hammy or something.
if they nail the picks, and peppers is good... then with the barkley oriented offense.... the trade can turn out to be a slam dunk ALL THE WHILE, being good for cleveland as well.
Thanks for your take Odell! Enjoy Cleveland!
on the trade itself... while bummed that they traded him at a time when they were getting more weapons to take advantage of his talents again.... I am absolutely fine with him being gone. the team wants to build the offense differently as evidence by the people they are signing. a slot WR and another slot/move the chains grinder. trading edge rush for OG. its fine with me. But I am not going to live in a fantasy land that says trading him is addition by subtraction because factually... he carried a crappy offense to the playoffs. so the team when it sucked... sucked less because of him. he then got hurt on a sh$t throw over the middle. not like he just pulled a hammy or something.
if they nail the picks, and peppers is good... then with the barkley oriented offense.... the trade can turn out to be a slam dunk ALL THE WHILE, being good for cleveland as well. Well said, agree as well.
Plus, we have an additional 1 & 3 to draft with on Thursday and Friday. Should be exciting.
You know what else is nonsense?
The idea that 16 teams made the playoffs last year. Unless you're also counting the FBS playoffs.
The fact that we were able to trade him and get a stud like peppers, the 17th pick in the draft and a late 3rd for him? Absolutely stunning. The trade was magnificent not just good, magnificent. When the Giants traded him they praised him and wished him well. His twitter rant was illegible and speaks to mental illness. Aww is the wittle baby upset he wasn't wanted anymore??? He is a complete disaster waiting to happen. Thank my lord and savior jesus christ (i am jewish btw) that hes gone. Thank fucking god.
I think we will
Also if Peppers can live up to his potential and continue to develop in the safety role.
Maybe lighten up Francis?
The fact that we were able to trade him and get a stud like peppers, the 17th pick in the draft and a late 3rd for him? Absolutely stunning. The trade was magnificent not just good, magnificent. When the Giants traded him they praised him and wished him well. His twitter rant was illegible and speaks to mental illness. Aww is the wittle baby upset he wasn't wanted anymore??? He is a complete disaster waiting to happen. Thank my lord and savior jesus christ (i am jewish btw) that hes gone. Thank fucking god.
Take your meds.
There's my prediction
The fact that we were able to trade him and get a stud like peppers, the 17th pick in the draft and a late 3rd for him? Absolutely stunning. The trade was magnificent not just good, magnificent. When the Giants traded him they praised him and wished him well. His twitter rant was illegible and speaks to mental illness. Aww is the wittle baby upset he wasn't wanted anymore??? He is a complete disaster waiting to happen. Thank my lord and savior jesus christ (i am jewish btw) that hes gone. Thank fucking god.
A shanda fur die goyim.
I wish things could have worked out, but if the stories are true about him cursing out Shurmur and being a pain in the ass to the coaching staff - he should have been traded.
he was one of the most talented offensive wepaons in the league. Now we still have one of the most talented offensive weapons in the league. No one is at OBJ's level, but they have some talented wrs and it is possible that having two wrs that can line up anywhere on the field, plus Engram, and the rest that will be enough to cause opposing defenses trouble. Now - may be harder to tell who the first or even the 2nd read is.
Biggest offensive issue when OBJ was here and now that he's gone - Right Tackle.
I wish things could have worked out, but if the stories are true about him cursing out Shurmur and being a pain in the ass to the coaching staff - he should have been traded.
he was one of the most talented offensive wepaons in the league. Now we still have one of the most talented offensive weapons in the league. No one is at OBJ's level, but they have some talented wrs and it is possible that having two wrs that can line up anywhere on the field, plus Engram, and the rest that will be enough to cause opposing defenses trouble. Now - may be harder to tell who the first or even the 2nd read is.
Biggest offensive issue when OBJ was here and now that he's gone - Right Tackle.
No, what was foolish was signing him to a contract and then trading him a year later. We're eating $16M in dead money this year.
I first suggested trading him following the 2016 season. That would have been pre-injury and pre-more OBJ bullshit...the haul for him then would have been significantly higher. The outcry from the fans would have been higher as well, but most of them had their heads up their asses on this issue anyway.
And who personalized the issue more than his fanboys that now are mainly nowhere to be found? Before the trade Beckham was a misunderstood generational player on BBI. Since the trade he's an asshole on BBI...had he never been traded most of the people calling him an asshole would still be saying he was misunderstood.
The fans personalized the whole issue with Beckham, and it blinded them to what was actually going on.
they signed him beacuse he was worth the moeny, then traded him the next year because things weren't working out. Hey thet's business, taht's maangement - you make the best decisions based on the infromation in front of you. people with all the info in front of them - not some fan with limited infromation and nothing to lose.
dead money hurts, but trading him sent a message that will serve as a building block for the future.
We ain't gonna agree on this guy. I have no problem with you. I said some things in our many back and forths about OBJ that were stupid and uncalled. My apologies and I'm moving on.
Shouldn't be that tough a concept to understand. If he was still a Giant, there'd be more reason to discuss him on a daily basis like this since it would actually be theoretically impacting this team in some way.
Now? Who cares. All that matters now is what's done with the picks that were received in return and where NYG goes from here.
I barely even read these threads anymore, but I notice that there's a Beckham thread with about 100+ posts on it near the top of the forum on a daily basis still. I suspect it's still the same 5-10 posters reiterating the same things they've already posted 500 times.
How that's productive, I am not sure...
1. This guy might be a problem
2. He's going to want the biggest contract a WR ever got
You put those two pieces of information together and it leads you to a decision - to pay or not to pay? Had the front office reached the correct decision (not to pay), it would have led them to a second decision: when to trade? The answer to that is at the peak of his value, which would have been between the 2016 and 2017 seasons, when the receiving team would be looking a full season with Beckham in his rookie deal before he realistically expected the new contract.
I'm sure there's some thread from January-March 2017 where I'm saying all this shit basically word for word. That was the time to do it...the haul would have been enormous.
Think OBJ was a good teammate - that's not ncessarily leadership, at least not the type of leadership needed.
No argument from me that they would have gotten more for him, but I still say, even in hindsight - it was worth the risk. And again - trading him and eating that dead money has value. That sends a message to all present and future Giant's players - no one is above the team, no one is indispensible. That's a cultural thing - players come and go - instilling a culture that's a heavier lift, more important lift, than buying and selling talent.
On a side note - I wonder what would have happened if before they signed him to that huge contract if they asked him - "Do you really want to be here" or "Where do you really want to be?" because teams are offering us a lot of money and if we can get a king's ransom and send you to somewhere you really want to be....
But that's not how things work.
There's my prediction
Even if true it does not make it a bad trade.
By that point we would already be starting to think of Beckham's next contract - assuming he didn't suffer a severe injury or finally go apeshit after being on a losing team for his entire 7-year career.
Still, I will feel much better if Jabril Peppers is able to play at a pro-bowl level and Gettleman is able to turn the #17 pick in to a good asset for the team. If those things don't happen I might revert back to being upset at this trade.
1% I think there was more going on in the locker room, on the field, etc. than any fan realizes for the Giants to let such a talented player go. Maybe DG is like me, I didn't like the lil Wayne interview. But I'm old school, get of my lawn type, as younger people would say.
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1% I think there was more going on in the locker room, on the field, etc. than any fan realizes for the Giants to let such a talented player go. Maybe DG is like me, I didn't like the lil Wayne interview. But I'm old school, get of my lawn type, as younger people would say.
I would buy the whole "locker room" issue with Beckham if Gettleman hadn't already cleared out essentially the entire roster from the previous regime since he arrived. There can't possibly be that many bad apples on a team - I really think that he just wants every player to be one of his* guys.
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that OBJ finishes his career as a Brown ?
1% I think there was more going on in the locker room, on the field, etc. than any fan realizes for the Giants to let such a talented player go. Maybe DG is like me, I didn't like the lil Wayne interview. But I'm old school, get of my lawn type, as younger people would say.
I would buy the whole "locker room" issue with Beckham if Gettleman hadn't already cleared out essentially the entire roster from the previous regime since he arrived. There can't possibly be that many bad apples on a team - I really think that he just wants every player to be one of his* guys.
You may be right, didn't DG have that reputation in Carolina? In any event, I am fine with the trade of OBJ
It is will we get better value from what we got than what we gave up, i.e. a HOF receiver in his prime. We got Peppers, a former first rounder who has not yet lived up to his potential, pick #17, which will typically produce a decent to good starter but not close to a HOF player (perhaps a 5% chance of a HOF level talent--the list of #17 picks I found on a quick search had one in 24 years, Emmitt Smith) and pick #95 which is about a 1/3 chance at a marginal to decent starter and more likely some useful depth. So unless we think Peppers is a HOF talent who has failed to produce because he was badly misused, we got taken to the cleaners.
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that OBJ finishes his career as a Brown ?
1% I think there was more going on in the locker room, on the field, etc. than any fan realizes for the Giants to let such a talented player go. Maybe DG is like me, I didn't like the lil Wayne interview. But I'm old school, get of my lawn type, as younger people would say.
I would buy the whole "locker room" issue with Beckham if Gettleman hadn't already cleared out essentially the entire roster from the previous regime since he arrived. There can't possibly be that many bad apples on a team - I really think that he just wants every player to be one of his* guys.
He did just give Shep a nice extension...throws some water on the Gettlemans dumping all of Reese’s guys/Gettleman doesn’t take care of veterans narrative.
The amount of turnover on this team in just two years, even by standards of historically bad teams in the NFL, is unprecedented.
Bull shit!
and people still cry. He was an inconsistent highlight reel who couldn’t stay healthy or shut his mouth and is now exhibiting even more childish behavior. Good. Riddance.
Inconsistent highlight reel my ass. He was the best WR I've ever seen in a Giants uniform and I've been watching the Giants since the 50's.
Also Brown didn't want to play for the Steelers and was dissing his teammates. OBJ signed with the Giants and every player i ever heard talk about him said he was a good teammate that had a strong work ethic.
imo, the cancer allegations are unknowable and gossip.
But where we disagree is having to sign him. At the time that was a reasonable decision. At the time. It had risk. All decisions have risk.
But to me not signing him was a reasonable chance at a holdout and 2 cents on the dollar.
At the time, the coach and the team and Eli, had to have a chance to win. His value downtick in our memory is Monday morning knowledge of the Caoch and the Ol and the overall talent level. All knowable but not to as clear an extent as noe.
I'm fine with both decisions given the situation variables at the time.
Does it look regrettable now? Sure. Was it at the time? Much closer to reasonable when the decision had to be made. imo
imo, the guy missed 25% of his games early in his career. Not a harbinger of top tier performance in the years to come. That, to me is the key decision point. Missing ( injured or not) the games last year cemented a trend that puts a 25% discount on his projected value. A good safety and a 17 plus 95 slot is a haul for a slightly above league average WR value ( a player who missee 25 to 30% of the games year after year) is a haul and a half in purely economic terms. His entertainment value is a different equation. When the two diverge, time for arbitrage
imo
But for me, watching Giants football is going to be optional after this year if the two lines are not competent. Especially the OL
If OBJ trade gets us closer to that, then I'm good.
2018 was a nasty leg whip, again not a fragile type thing.
i think the narrative on getting hurt is just very low quality-- his hamstring in his first year would be more worrisome than the other stuff and that was just 3 games to start.