Here we stand, 2 days before the draft and most of us have had some time to think about whether we like or dislike the trade. It is a polarizing trade for sure. Are we going to be able to replace his production? Not sure the roster as it is set now will prevent defenses from filling the box to stop SB. So BBI, how do you feel about the trade one month later and how should we proceed? Does Engram and his late year production sooth the loss or are we in search of a new number one? Personally, I was surprised by the decision but have come to grips with what has transpired.
Think OBJ was a good teammate - that's not ncessarily leadership, at least not the type of leadership needed.
No argument from me that they would have gotten more for him, but I still say, even in hindsight - it was worth the risk. And again - trading him and eating that dead money has value. That sends a message to all present and future Giant's players - no one is above the team, no one is indispensible. That's a cultural thing - players come and go - instilling a culture that's a heavier lift, more important lift, than buying and selling talent.
On a side note - I wonder what would have happened if before they signed him to that huge contract if they asked him - "Do you really want to be here" or "Where do you really want to be?" because teams are offering us a lot of money and if we can get a king's ransom and send you to somewhere you really want to be....
But that's not how things work.
There's my prediction
Even if true it does not make it a bad trade.
By that point we would already be starting to think of Beckham's next contract - assuming he didn't suffer a severe injury or finally go apeshit after being on a losing team for his entire 7-year career.
Still, I will feel much better if Jabril Peppers is able to play at a pro-bowl level and Gettleman is able to turn the #17 pick in to a good asset for the team. If those things don't happen I might revert back to being upset at this trade.
1% I think there was more going on in the locker room, on the field, etc. than any fan realizes for the Giants to let such a talented player go. Maybe DG is like me, I didn't like the lil Wayne interview. But I'm old school, get of my lawn type, as younger people would say.
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that OBJ finishes his career as a Brown ?
1% I think there was more going on in the locker room, on the field, etc. than any fan realizes for the Giants to let such a talented player go. Maybe DG is like me, I didn't like the lil Wayne interview. But I'm old school, get of my lawn type, as younger people would say.
I would buy the whole "locker room" issue with Beckham if Gettleman hadn't already cleared out essentially the entire roster from the previous regime since he arrived. There can't possibly be that many bad apples on a team - I really think that he just wants every player to be one of his* guys.
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that OBJ finishes his career as a Brown ?
1% I think there was more going on in the locker room, on the field, etc. than any fan realizes for the Giants to let such a talented player go. Maybe DG is like me, I didn't like the lil Wayne interview. But I'm old school, get of my lawn type, as younger people would say.
I would buy the whole "locker room" issue with Beckham if Gettleman hadn't already cleared out essentially the entire roster from the previous regime since he arrived. There can't possibly be that many bad apples on a team - I really think that he just wants every player to be one of his* guys.
You may be right, didn't DG have that reputation in Carolina? In any event, I am fine with the trade of OBJ
It is will we get better value from what we got than what we gave up, i.e. a HOF receiver in his prime. We got Peppers, a former first rounder who has not yet lived up to his potential, pick #17, which will typically produce a decent to good starter but not close to a HOF player (perhaps a 5% chance of a HOF level talent--the list of #17 picks I found on a quick search had one in 24 years, Emmitt Smith) and pick #95 which is about a 1/3 chance at a marginal to decent starter and more likely some useful depth. So unless we think Peppers is a HOF talent who has failed to produce because he was badly misused, we got taken to the cleaners.
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that OBJ finishes his career as a Brown ?
1% I think there was more going on in the locker room, on the field, etc. than any fan realizes for the Giants to let such a talented player go. Maybe DG is like me, I didn't like the lil Wayne interview. But I'm old school, get of my lawn type, as younger people would say.
I would buy the whole "locker room" issue with Beckham if Gettleman hadn't already cleared out essentially the entire roster from the previous regime since he arrived. There can't possibly be that many bad apples on a team - I really think that he just wants every player to be one of his* guys.
He did just give Shep a nice extension...throws some water on the Gettlemans dumping all of Reese’s guys/Gettleman doesn’t take care of veterans narrative.
The amount of turnover on this team in just two years, even by standards of historically bad teams in the NFL, is unprecedented.
Bull shit!
and people still cry. He was an inconsistent highlight reel who couldn’t stay healthy or shut his mouth and is now exhibiting even more childish behavior. Good. Riddance.
Inconsistent highlight reel my ass. He was the best WR I've ever seen in a Giants uniform and I've been watching the Giants since the 50's.
Also Brown didn't want to play for the Steelers and was dissing his teammates. OBJ signed with the Giants and every player i ever heard talk about him said he was a good teammate that had a strong work ethic.
imo, the cancer allegations are unknowable and gossip.
But where we disagree is having to sign him. At the time that was a reasonable decision. At the time. It had risk. All decisions have risk.
But to me not signing him was a reasonable chance at a holdout and 2 cents on the dollar.
At the time, the coach and the team and Eli, had to have a chance to win. His value downtick in our memory is Monday morning knowledge of the Caoch and the Ol and the overall talent level. All knowable but not to as clear an extent as noe.
I'm fine with both decisions given the situation variables at the time.
Does it look regrettable now? Sure. Was it at the time? Much closer to reasonable when the decision had to be made. imo
imo, the guy missed 25% of his games early in his career. Not a harbinger of top tier performance in the years to come. That, to me is the key decision point. Missing ( injured or not) the games last year cemented a trend that puts a 25% discount on his projected value. A good safety and a 17 plus 95 slot is a haul for a slightly above league average WR value ( a player who missee 25 to 30% of the games year after year) is a haul and a half in purely economic terms. His entertainment value is a different equation. When the two diverge, time for arbitrage
imo
But for me, watching Giants football is going to be optional after this year if the two lines are not competent. Especially the OL
If OBJ trade gets us closer to that, then I'm good.
2018 was a nasty leg whip, again not a fragile type thing.
i think the narrative on getting hurt is just very low quality-- his hamstring in his first year would be more worrisome than the other stuff and that was just 3 games to start.