I don't know how much evidence and film study it takes for people to realize this guy isn't a 1st [or even a 2nd] round talent. He was an average college QB who never made the players around him better. His college team had a better record the three years prior to him ever becoming the starter. He wasn't even in the conversation for a day 1 or 2 pick until after the season yet he hasn't done anything since then to impress. He had a poor senior bowl week and an average combine.
The ONLY two reasons this guy is mentioned as a potential first round target is b/c his personality and demeanor remind people of Eli Manning (and thus able to handle the NY media) and b/c he was coached by David Cutliffe. That's it.
Drafting this guy in the first round would be the biggest draft day mistake since we took Dave Brown in the 1992 supplemental draft.
I have to believe this is all a smokescreen b/c there is no other explanation for even considering him on Thursday night.
I just don't see how you make the case for Jones at 6 or 17 Â
with the players in this draft. That would be forcing the pick.
If scouts couldn't agree that last year's available QBs were worth a top ten pick, then it would be almost impossible to believe that a player like Jones versus the defensive and OL talent potentially available at 6 or 17 has won over the scouts.
Brian Baldinger went through these issues last week on NFLN. He was very bearish on Jones's decision making, especially when he needed to fit the ball into tighter windows. Which doesn't bode well to the faster game of the NFL.
The Eli comparison needs to stop. Eli's arm was/is superior to Jones's. It's not even close. Jones is a bigger version of Andy Dalton.
Take Jones because of his connection to the Mannings and because he can be a good "game manager", then get ready for a lot of mediocre football. Hearing that he has limited talent but can be a guy who keeps the game under control is a mid round prospect. You do not spend the 6th pick in the draft on a qb whose ceiling is game manager.
Brian Baldinger went through these issues last week on NFLN. He was very bearish on Jones's decision making, especially when he needed to fit the ball into tighter windows. Which doesn't bode well to the faster game of the NFL.
The Eli comparison needs to stop. Eli's arm was/is superior to Jones's. It's not even close. Jones is a bigger version of Andy Dalton.
Problem is we are dealing with the same front office who didn't see an issue with Kyle Lauletta's arm.
The ceiling just isn't there - and you can see that almost all of the mistakes occur when he's trying to throw out routes. I have serious concerns about his ability to drive the ball outside the hashmarks and think he's going to turn the ball over a lot on those throws.
A lot of patting the ball before he releases it and doesn't show great anticipation.
I agree big time with the sentiment that he possesses many of Eli's "poor" traits, and only a few of his good ones.
Eli processed the field much faster and was more of a complete package. He had less questions on his arm. There are similarities... Jones looks like a Peyton/Eli hybrid - but it doesn't mean he'll perform like one.
Like many others have said... the upside seems limited with Jones and I'm not sure he has the toolbox to be better than an "average" NFL starter. Is that what we should be spending the 6th pick on?
I wouldn't.
But all of the Manning comparisons and Cutcliffe mentions make me worry that the Giants may see it differently.
Problem is we are dealing with the same front office who didn't see an issue with Kyle Lauletta's arm.
But at least Lauletta was properly placed - the 4th round.
Jones as the 6th pick, the 17th pick, and I think even the second round, would definitely set off alarms that this organization can't be trusted to evaluate the QB position.
Everytime I watched Daniel Jones last year I left with the impression that he struggles to throw the ball to the sideline. Now either he figures out how to work in the NFL or he is going to he a pick 6 machine. There was another thread where a poster who showed him throwing a deep ball and said don't see any arm strength issues there. That isn't the issue! It you can't threaten the sidelines than you better have some other skill like Lamar, who I am not sold on either for same issue, that can mask that deficieny. Lamar is at least wildly inaccurate to.the sideline, Daniel Jones seems like he's going to throw lots of tds to the other team. I'm not buying the high celling moniker many have given him. I think his floor is Nathan Peterman.
I'll take it one step further. Eli's arm TODAY is better than Jones' arm. At the time he was drafted is was vastly superior.
Agreed. When Eli can get his feet set, he still has a very good NFL arm. He just doesn't have the ability - not that he ever had it in big supply - to throw the ball with that zip when conditions break down and those mechanics can't be executed. And even under those situations, his arm is still better than Jones's.
The Eli comparison needs to stop. Eli's arm was/is superior to Jones's. It's not even close. Jones is a bigger version of Andy Dalton.
I'll take it one step further. Eli's arm TODAY is better than Jones' arm. At the time he was drafted is was vastly superior.
I don't get why people don't know Eli has an above average NFL arm and has always had one. His spirals are not pretty sometimes because of his release but he has a cannon. People were surprised and all wow over highlights from an ELi practice video. Maybe we just have not seen him get to set his feet in games like he can when no one is rushing him.
The ceiling just isn't there - and you can see that almost all of the mistakes occur when he's trying to throw out routes. I have serious concerns about his ability to drive the ball outside the hashmarks and think he's going to turn the ball over a lot on those throws.
A lot of patting the ball before he releases it and doesn't show great anticipation.
I agree big time with the sentiment that he possesses many of Eli's "poor" traits, and only a few of his good ones.
Eli processed the field much faster and was more of a complete package. He had less questions on his arm. There are similarities... Jones looks like a Peyton/Eli hybrid - but it doesn't mean he'll perform like one.
Like many others have said... the upside seems limited with Jones and I'm not sure he has the toolbox to be better than an "average" NFL starter. Is that what we should be spending the 6th pick on?
I wouldn't.
But all of the Manning comparisons and Cutcliffe mentions make me worry that the Giants may see it differently.
Agreed. Jones like all the other QBs is being grossly overvalued the closer we get to the draft. it's because teams are desperate for a franchise QB. It happens almost every year.
Everytime I watched Daniel Jones last year I left with the impression that he struggles to throw the ball to the sideline. Now either he figures out how to work in the NFL or he is going to he a pick 6 machine. There was another thread where a poster who showed him throwing a deep ball and said don't see any arm strength issues there. That isn't the issue! It you can't threaten the sidelines than you better have some other skill like Lamar, who I am not sold on either for same issue, that can mask that deficieny. Lamar is at least wildly inaccurate to.the sideline, Daniel Jones seems like he's going to throw lots of tds to the other team. I'm not buying the high celling moniker many have given him. I think his floor is Nathan Peterman.
Yep... if we're taking a QB @ 6, I really hope it's Haskins and not this guy. I really don't see a 1st rd. QB here.
But, if NYG takes him, I'll hope like heck I'm wrong.
Brian Baldinger went through these issues last week on NFLN. He was very bearish on Jones's decision making, especially when he needed to fit the ball into tighter windows. Which doesn't bode well to the faster game of the NFL.
The Eli comparison needs to stop. Eli's arm was/is superior to Jones's. It's not even close. Jones is a bigger version of Andy Dalton.
Problem is we are dealing with the same front office who didn't see an issue with Kyle Lauletta's arm.
Eric - I think they saw the arm, but he was a fourth round draft pick. That's the type of player that goes in the 4th round. They projected what he could become...and who knows, let's see how he looks in camp this year.
I'd be concerned about his hesitation to throw the ball, but I wonder how much of that had to do with a lack of confidence in his receivers, or them simply being overmatched. For instance, on the out route against Va Tech (around 2:35 of the video) the receiver is jogging and rounding off his route. Terrible.
When it comes to the next QB, I'm only thinking about a 5 year window; it's pretty unlikely that any QB we draft will be worth paying in 4-5 years. I'm looking for one of two types of QB:
1. A QB that is going to use his athleticism to change the way teams have to defend him; or
2. A QB that is going to get the ball to the right place at the right time, and in rhythm.
Jones is the latter type. If Eli weren't here I'd be fine with taking him at #6. Eli's being here is the only reason I wouldn't.
I don't think the Giants have the balls to take a QB at 6 Â
I don't know how much evidence and film study it takes for people to realize this guy isn't a 1st [or even a 2nd] round talent. He was an average college QB who never made the players around him better. His college team had a better record the three years prior to him ever becoming the starter. He wasn't even in the conversation for a day 1 or 2 pick until after the season yet he hasn't done anything since then to impress. He had a poor senior bowl week and an average combine.
The ONLY two reasons this guy is mentioned as a potential first round target is b/c his personality and demeanor remind people of Eli Manning (and thus able to handle the NY media) and b/c he was coached by David Cutliffe. That's it.
Drafting this guy in the first round would be the biggest draft day mistake since we took Dave Brown in the 1992 supplemental draft.
I have to believe this is all a smokescreen b/c there is no other explanation for even considering him on Thursday night.
I'm glad you're getting started on your annual draft whining a full week ahead of schedule this year.
I don't know how much evidence and film study it takes for people to realize this guy isn't a 1st [or even a 2nd] round talent. He was an average college QB who never made the players around him better. His college team had a better record the three years prior to him ever becoming the starter. He wasn't even in the conversation for a day 1 or 2 pick until after the season yet he hasn't done anything since then to impress. He had a poor senior bowl week and an average combine.
The ONLY two reasons this guy is mentioned as a potential first round target is b/c his personality and demeanor remind people of Eli Manning (and thus able to handle the NY media) and b/c he was coached by David Cutliffe. That's it.
Drafting this guy in the first round would be the biggest draft day mistake since we took Dave Brown in the 1992 supplemental draft.
I have to believe this is all a smokescreen b/c there is no other explanation for even considering him on Thursday night.
I'm glad you're getting started on your annual draft whining a full week ahead of schedule this year.
Having a strong opinion based on actually watching the games is whining? LOL ok. Maybe you should learn to formulate an original opinion and state it with conviction instead of just buying whatever narrative the Giants choose to sell you. Your malleable stance on the team's offseason moves makes your opinion worthless. I'll stick to my 'whining' 🙄.
I'm going to cut out a few clips and make a Youtube Â
scouting video. I'm going to pick and choose passes and show that Geno Smith is better than Mahomes. Then the pro-Geno crowd can crow about how much I know
I have to wonder, how would Brady be viewed if he were entering this draft? We already know he went late in the draft way back when but, what would college Tom Brady be viewed as coming out now? 6th rd pick or priority FA?
I don't know how much evidence and film study it takes for people to realize this guy isn't a 1st [or even a 2nd] round talent. He was an average college QB who never made the players around him better. His college team had a better record the three years prior to him ever becoming the starter. He wasn't even in the conversation for a day 1 or 2 pick until after the season yet he hasn't done anything since then to impress. He had a poor senior bowl week and an average combine.
The ONLY two reasons this guy is mentioned as a potential first round target is b/c his personality and demeanor remind people of Eli Manning (and thus able to handle the NY media) and b/c he was coached by David Cutliffe. That's it.
Drafting this guy in the first round would be the biggest draft day mistake since we took Dave Brown in the 1992 supplemental draft.
I have to believe this is all a smokescreen b/c there is no other explanation for even considering him on Thursday night.
I'm glad you're getting started on your annual draft whining a full week ahead of schedule this year.
Having a strong opinion based on actually watching the games is whining? LOL ok. Maybe you should learn to formulate an original opinion and state it with conviction instead of just buying whatever narrative the Giants choose to sell you. Your malleable stance on the team's offseason moves makes your opinion worthless. I'll stick to my 'whining' 🙄.
You already have the Giants drafting a player you don't like and are already bashing them for drafting a player you don't like even though they didn't and the draft is a couple days away. Chill.
RE: I'm going to cut out a few clips and make a Youtube Â
scouting video. I'm going to pick and choose passes and show that Geno Smith is better than Mahomes. Then the pro-Geno crowd can crow about how much I know
Or you could just craft an intelligent argument that perhaps illustrates why you feel Gold is wrong in his evaluation and back it up... but, nah... that would actually be harder than just taking shots from the balcony about what he knows or doesn't know.
And yes, I actually agree with the sentiment that Eli Manning today has a better NFL arm than Jones does.
100% believe that.
Absolutely.
Again, I ask: in what way is Daniel Jones significantly better than Ryan Finley? Why is one considered a 2nd-4th round pick and the other considered to be a potential top ten pick? They are very similar players.
Over the weekend. Just to see how he looked compared to the videos I’ve been watching of these guys. One, it’s notable how many Eli things he does, throwing off his back foot, really relying on his arm more than his lower body, just stuff we have seen over the years with the Giants.
But what was really notable was that he is fucking slinging the ball around. Jones does not look like a similar physical talent to my eyes. Eli has a bigger arm than he gets credit for and it was evident.
RE: RE: I'm going to cut out a few clips and make a Youtube Â
scouting video. I'm going to pick and choose passes and show that Geno Smith is better than Mahomes. Then the pro-Geno crowd can crow about how much I know
Or you could just craft an intelligent argument that perhaps illustrates why you feel Gold is wrong in his evaluation and back it up... but, nah... that would actually be harder than just taking shots from the balcony about what he knows or doesn't know.
No one here is listening to anyone's arguments. Its like politics now, no one is changing their position. What I know is that he took a crappy Duke team to an 8 win season and a bowl game. I also know that a lot of scouts and experts, who know a lot more than I do, like him and think he's rising up the board. If the Giants like him than I am good. He looks the part, and they are down into the mechanics, talent, and mindset, not me.
I am not one of these posters who thinks they know everything because they watch a stupid video like this one. As i stated jokingly above, anyone can create a video to prove any point they want to make. I could grab all his best throws, and create a case that he should be the top pick. Its all crap put out by wann-a-be nfl scouts.
I have to wonder, how would Brady be viewed if he were entering this draft? We already know he went late in the draft way back when but, what would college Tom Brady be viewed as coming out now? 6th rd pick or priority FA?
He'd probably be viewed the same. Brady wasn't at all a finished product when he was draft eligible. It's not like a Russell Wilson situation where the guy was simply excellent in college and somehow fell through the cracks. Brady was far from a blue chip prospect.
I don't know how much evidence and film study it takes for people to realize this guy isn't a 1st [or even a 2nd] round talent. He was an average college QB who never made the players around him better. His college team had a better record the three years prior to him ever becoming the starter. He wasn't even in the conversation for a day 1 or 2 pick until after the season yet he hasn't done anything since then to impress. He had a poor senior bowl week and an average combine.
The ONLY two reasons this guy is mentioned as a potential first round target is b/c his personality and demeanor remind people of Eli Manning (and thus able to handle the NY media) and b/c he was coached by David Cutliffe. That's it.
Drafting this guy in the first round would be the biggest draft day mistake since we took Dave Brown in the 1992 supplemental draft.
I have to believe this is all a smokescreen b/c there is no other explanation for even considering him on Thursday night.
I'm glad you're getting started on your annual draft whining a full week ahead of schedule this year.
Having a strong opinion based on actually watching the games is whining? LOL ok. Maybe you should learn to formulate an original opinion and state it with conviction instead of just buying whatever narrative the Giants choose to sell you. Your malleable stance on the team's offseason moves makes your opinion worthless. I'll stick to my 'whining' 🙄.
You already have the Giants drafting a player you don't like and are already bashing them for drafting a player you don't like even though they didn't and the draft is a couple days away. Chill.
Not true at all. I love Saquon Barkley, I root like hell for him and believe he will be a surefire hall of famer. I was (and I'm still) against drafting him at #2 overall in what was considered one of the best QB draft classes in a long time when we had a clear need at QB. I had the same opinion a week before the draft as I do today...it hasn't changed and I state that when it comes up on threads. That's not whining, it's just my opinion on the move.
As for Daniel Jones, I have a strong opinion about his inability to become a good starting QB in the NFL. I will continue to state that opinion through the draft and if we take him I'll hope like hell I'm wrong. Fingers crossed...
And yes, I actually agree with the sentiment that Eli Manning today has a better NFL arm than Jones does.
100% believe that.
Absolutely.
Again, I ask: in what way is Daniel Jones significantly better than Ryan Finley? Why is one considered a 2nd-4th round pick and the other considered to be a potential top ten pick? They are very similar players.
I've posed the same question several times.
Yet to see anyone really give a good explanation of what makes Jones a 1st round pick and Finley a 3rd. They have many of the same strengths and weaknesses. They are similar in size.
To me, it's hard to really tell why there's such a gap in the way they're graded. I assume I must be missing something.
He seems o be getting a bump up based heavily on the David Cutcliffe Â
doesn't pay much attention to what's in vogue and being coached and taught in CFB these days.
The same quality of QB and OL play even from five years ago, is missing. CFB has become a game where you need to be able to drop 40 points at will to win a game.
And yes, I actually agree with the sentiment that Eli Manning today has a better NFL arm than Jones does.
100% believe that.
Absolutely.
Again, I ask: in what way is Daniel Jones significantly better than Ryan Finley? Why is one considered a 2nd-4th round pick and the other considered to be a potential top ten pick? They are very similar players.
Personally I'd have Finley over Lock and Haskins. I don't want any part of either of those two. I hear Dave Te comparing Lock to Jay Cutler and Haskins admitted he showed up to the most important job interview of his life out of shape.
Remember Belichick: "Talent sets the floor. Success is not all about talent. It’s about dependability, consistency, being coachable, and understanding what you need to do to improve.”
Yet to see anyone really give a good explanation of what makes Jones a 1st round pick and Finley a 3rd. They have many of the same strengths and weaknesses. They are similar in size.
To me, it's hard to really tell why there's such a gap in the way they're graded. I assume I must be missing something.
Here's THE only reason for me - Cutcliffe.
Ryan completed 66% of his passes the last two years. And he has very good size, too.
His age could be a concern turning 26 in December. To some, not me, that is flag of some sort...
With the Jones bashing. To this day he's one of the best talent evaluators in the league and he LOVES Jones. It's not just the Giants. Many in the league like him. He's going in the first round, most likely top 20, despite the nonsense on this thread. I have no issue if you don't like him, some like Haskins, I don't. It makes the draft great but don't lose sight of the fact the kid is liked in league circles and you could be wrong
With the Jones bashing. To this day he's one of the best talent evaluators in the league and he LOVES Jones. It's not just the Giants. Many in the league like him. He's going in the first round, most likely top 20, despite the nonsense on this thread. I have no issue if you don't like him, some like Haskins, I don't. It makes the draft great but don't lose sight of the fact the kid is liked in league circles and you could be wrong
Who is one of the best talent evaluators. And how do you know many in the league like him? B/c that's what leaked a week before the draft? And what about his talent impresses you> Or is it just poise and the fact he's faced adversity?
For the record, I watch games and tape of these guys, ALOT. I like lock and Jones out of this year's crop. Don't love them. No way I'd take either at 6. To be honest, you know my feelings, I wouldn't take a qb this year but the Giants might. I'm not defending Jones, per se, but am stating a fact that people in the league love him. Girl Brandt is very respected in nfl circles. His opinion isn't alone
Last year and they went 3-5. The bowl game? Yeh look who they played, when they played them, and what went down. Temple was in total dissaray. This is the problem, people repeat arguments they hear without any context, but those of us that actually watch a ton of college football know it's BS.
Jones did remarkable considering the talent around him. His team reminds me of the ole miss team eli had. He had no help. He was getting hit every play. I think he's tough, smart, poised, unflappable and has a better arm then you think. We saw that at combine. Again, I agree w you, I wouldn't take any qb this year but I'd say he's definitely going in the first round
I hope I'm wrong either about taking him with #6 or my assessment of him.
The ONLY two reasons this guy is mentioned as a potential first round target is b/c his personality and demeanor remind people of Eli Manning (and thus able to handle the NY media) and b/c he was coached by David Cutliffe. That's it.
Drafting this guy in the first round would be the biggest draft day mistake since we took Dave Brown in the 1992 supplemental draft.
I have to believe this is all a smokescreen b/c there is no other explanation for even considering him on Thursday night.
If scouts couldn't agree that last year's available QBs were worth a top ten pick, then it would be almost impossible to believe that a player like Jones versus the defensive and OL talent potentially available at 6 or 17 has won over the scouts.
The Eli comparison needs to stop. Eli's arm was/is superior to Jones's. It's not even close. Jones is a bigger version of Andy Dalton.
The Eli comparison needs to stop. Eli's arm was/is superior to Jones's. It's not even close. Jones is a bigger version of Andy Dalton.
Problem is we are dealing with the same front office who didn't see an issue with Kyle Lauletta's arm.
The ceiling just isn't there - and you can see that almost all of the mistakes occur when he's trying to throw out routes. I have serious concerns about his ability to drive the ball outside the hashmarks and think he's going to turn the ball over a lot on those throws.
A lot of patting the ball before he releases it and doesn't show great anticipation.
I agree big time with the sentiment that he possesses many of Eli's "poor" traits, and only a few of his good ones.
Eli processed the field much faster and was more of a complete package. He had less questions on his arm. There are similarities... Jones looks like a Peyton/Eli hybrid - but it doesn't mean he'll perform like one.
Like many others have said... the upside seems limited with Jones and I'm not sure he has the toolbox to be better than an "average" NFL starter. Is that what we should be spending the 6th pick on?
I wouldn't.
But all of the Manning comparisons and Cutcliffe mentions make me worry that the Giants may see it differently.
The Eli comparison needs to stop. Eli's arm was/is superior to Jones's. It's not even close. Jones is a bigger version of Andy Dalton.
I'll take it one step further. Eli's arm TODAY is better than Jones' arm. At the time he was drafted is was vastly superior.
100% believe that.
Problem is we are dealing with the same front office who didn't see an issue with Kyle Lauletta's arm.
But at least Lauletta was properly placed - the 4th round.
Jones as the 6th pick, the 17th pick, and I think even the second round, would definitely set off alarms that this organization can't be trusted to evaluate the QB position.
I'll take it one step further. Eli's arm TODAY is better than Jones' arm. At the time he was drafted is was vastly superior.
Agreed. When Eli can get his feet set, he still has a very good NFL arm. He just doesn't have the ability - not that he ever had it in big supply - to throw the ball with that zip when conditions break down and those mechanics can't be executed. And even under those situations, his arm is still better than Jones's.
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The Eli comparison needs to stop. Eli's arm was/is superior to Jones's. It's not even close. Jones is a bigger version of Andy Dalton.
I'll take it one step further. Eli's arm TODAY is better than Jones' arm. At the time he was drafted is was vastly superior.
The ceiling just isn't there - and you can see that almost all of the mistakes occur when he's trying to throw out routes. I have serious concerns about his ability to drive the ball outside the hashmarks and think he's going to turn the ball over a lot on those throws.
A lot of patting the ball before he releases it and doesn't show great anticipation.
I agree big time with the sentiment that he possesses many of Eli's "poor" traits, and only a few of his good ones.
Eli processed the field much faster and was more of a complete package. He had less questions on his arm. There are similarities... Jones looks like a Peyton/Eli hybrid - but it doesn't mean he'll perform like one.
Like many others have said... the upside seems limited with Jones and I'm not sure he has the toolbox to be better than an "average" NFL starter. Is that what we should be spending the 6th pick on?
I wouldn't.
But all of the Manning comparisons and Cutcliffe mentions make me worry that the Giants may see it differently.
Agreed. Jones like all the other QBs is being grossly overvalued the closer we get to the draft. it's because teams are desperate for a franchise QB. It happens almost every year.
Yep... if we're taking a QB @ 6, I really hope it's Haskins and not this guy. I really don't see a 1st rd. QB here.
But, if NYG takes him, I'll hope like heck I'm wrong.
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Brian Baldinger went through these issues last week on NFLN. He was very bearish on Jones's decision making, especially when he needed to fit the ball into tighter windows. Which doesn't bode well to the faster game of the NFL.
The Eli comparison needs to stop. Eli's arm was/is superior to Jones's. It's not even close. Jones is a bigger version of Andy Dalton.
Problem is we are dealing with the same front office who didn't see an issue with Kyle Lauletta's arm.
Eric - I think they saw the arm, but he was a fourth round draft pick. That's the type of player that goes in the 4th round. They projected what he could become...and who knows, let's see how he looks in camp this year.
When it comes to the next QB, I'm only thinking about a 5 year window; it's pretty unlikely that any QB we draft will be worth paying in 4-5 years. I'm looking for one of two types of QB:
1. A QB that is going to use his athleticism to change the way teams have to defend him; or
2. A QB that is going to get the ball to the right place at the right time, and in rhythm.
Jones is the latter type. If Eli weren't here I'd be fine with taking him at #6. Eli's being here is the only reason I wouldn't.
The ONLY two reasons this guy is mentioned as a potential first round target is b/c his personality and demeanor remind people of Eli Manning (and thus able to handle the NY media) and b/c he was coached by David Cutliffe. That's it.
Drafting this guy in the first round would be the biggest draft day mistake since we took Dave Brown in the 1992 supplemental draft.
I have to believe this is all a smokescreen b/c there is no other explanation for even considering him on Thursday night.
I'm glad you're getting started on your annual draft whining a full week ahead of schedule this year.
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I don't know how much evidence and film study it takes for people to realize this guy isn't a 1st [or even a 2nd] round talent. He was an average college QB who never made the players around him better. His college team had a better record the three years prior to him ever becoming the starter. He wasn't even in the conversation for a day 1 or 2 pick until after the season yet he hasn't done anything since then to impress. He had a poor senior bowl week and an average combine.
The ONLY two reasons this guy is mentioned as a potential first round target is b/c his personality and demeanor remind people of Eli Manning (and thus able to handle the NY media) and b/c he was coached by David Cutliffe. That's it.
Drafting this guy in the first round would be the biggest draft day mistake since we took Dave Brown in the 1992 supplemental draft.
I have to believe this is all a smokescreen b/c there is no other explanation for even considering him on Thursday night.
I'm glad you're getting started on your annual draft whining a full week ahead of schedule this year.
Having a strong opinion based on actually watching the games is whining? LOL ok. Maybe you should learn to formulate an original opinion and state it with conviction instead of just buying whatever narrative the Giants choose to sell you. Your malleable stance on the team's offseason moves makes your opinion worthless. I'll stick to my 'whining' 🙄.
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I don't know how much evidence and film study it takes for people to realize this guy isn't a 1st [or even a 2nd] round talent. He was an average college QB who never made the players around him better. His college team had a better record the three years prior to him ever becoming the starter. He wasn't even in the conversation for a day 1 or 2 pick until after the season yet he hasn't done anything since then to impress. He had a poor senior bowl week and an average combine.
The ONLY two reasons this guy is mentioned as a potential first round target is b/c his personality and demeanor remind people of Eli Manning (and thus able to handle the NY media) and b/c he was coached by David Cutliffe. That's it.
Drafting this guy in the first round would be the biggest draft day mistake since we took Dave Brown in the 1992 supplemental draft.
I have to believe this is all a smokescreen b/c there is no other explanation for even considering him on Thursday night.
I'm glad you're getting started on your annual draft whining a full week ahead of schedule this year.
Having a strong opinion based on actually watching the games is whining? LOL ok. Maybe you should learn to formulate an original opinion and state it with conviction instead of just buying whatever narrative the Giants choose to sell you. Your malleable stance on the team's offseason moves makes your opinion worthless. I'll stick to my 'whining' 🙄.
You already have the Giants drafting a player you don't like and are already bashing them for drafting a player you don't like even though they didn't and the draft is a couple days away. Chill.
Or you could just craft an intelligent argument that perhaps illustrates why you feel Gold is wrong in his evaluation and back it up... but, nah... that would actually be harder than just taking shots from the balcony about what he knows or doesn't know.
100% believe that.
Absolutely.
Again, I ask: in what way is Daniel Jones significantly better than Ryan Finley? Why is one considered a 2nd-4th round pick and the other considered to be a potential top ten pick? They are very similar players.
But what was really notable was that he is fucking slinging the ball around. Jones does not look like a similar physical talent to my eyes. Eli has a bigger arm than he gets credit for and it was evident.
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scouting video. I'm going to pick and choose passes and show that Geno Smith is better than Mahomes. Then the pro-Geno crowd can crow about how much I know
Or you could just craft an intelligent argument that perhaps illustrates why you feel Gold is wrong in his evaluation and back it up... but, nah... that would actually be harder than just taking shots from the balcony about what he knows or doesn't know.
No one here is listening to anyone's arguments. Its like politics now, no one is changing their position. What I know is that he took a crappy Duke team to an 8 win season and a bowl game. I also know that a lot of scouts and experts, who know a lot more than I do, like him and think he's rising up the board. If the Giants like him than I am good. He looks the part, and they are down into the mechanics, talent, and mindset, not me.
I am not one of these posters who thinks they know everything because they watch a stupid video like this one. As i stated jokingly above, anyone can create a video to prove any point they want to make. I could grab all his best throws, and create a case that he should be the top pick. Its all crap put out by wann-a-be nfl scouts.
He'd probably be viewed the same. Brady wasn't at all a finished product when he was draft eligible. It's not like a Russell Wilson situation where the guy was simply excellent in college and somehow fell through the cracks. Brady was far from a blue chip prospect.
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I don't know how much evidence and film study it takes for people to realize this guy isn't a 1st [or even a 2nd] round talent. He was an average college QB who never made the players around him better. His college team had a better record the three years prior to him ever becoming the starter. He wasn't even in the conversation for a day 1 or 2 pick until after the season yet he hasn't done anything since then to impress. He had a poor senior bowl week and an average combine.
The ONLY two reasons this guy is mentioned as a potential first round target is b/c his personality and demeanor remind people of Eli Manning (and thus able to handle the NY media) and b/c he was coached by David Cutliffe. That's it.
Drafting this guy in the first round would be the biggest draft day mistake since we took Dave Brown in the 1992 supplemental draft.
I have to believe this is all a smokescreen b/c there is no other explanation for even considering him on Thursday night.
I'm glad you're getting started on your annual draft whining a full week ahead of schedule this year.
Having a strong opinion based on actually watching the games is whining? LOL ok. Maybe you should learn to formulate an original opinion and state it with conviction instead of just buying whatever narrative the Giants choose to sell you. Your malleable stance on the team's offseason moves makes your opinion worthless. I'll stick to my 'whining' 🙄.
You already have the Giants drafting a player you don't like and are already bashing them for drafting a player you don't like even though they didn't and the draft is a couple days away. Chill.
Not true at all. I love Saquon Barkley, I root like hell for him and believe he will be a surefire hall of famer. I was (and I'm still) against drafting him at #2 overall in what was considered one of the best QB draft classes in a long time when we had a clear need at QB. I had the same opinion a week before the draft as I do today...it hasn't changed and I state that when it comes up on threads. That's not whining, it's just my opinion on the move.
As for Daniel Jones, I have a strong opinion about his inability to become a good starting QB in the NFL. I will continue to state that opinion through the draft and if we take him I'll hope like hell I'm wrong. Fingers crossed...
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And yes, I actually agree with the sentiment that Eli Manning today has a better NFL arm than Jones does.
100% believe that.
Absolutely.
Again, I ask: in what way is Daniel Jones significantly better than Ryan Finley? Why is one considered a 2nd-4th round pick and the other considered to be a potential top ten pick? They are very similar players.
I've posed the same question several times.
Yet to see anyone really give a good explanation of what makes Jones a 1st round pick and Finley a 3rd. They have many of the same strengths and weaknesses. They are similar in size.
To me, it's hard to really tell why there's such a gap in the way they're graded. I assume I must be missing something.
But you could have said the same thing about Lauletta. At the time he was picked, he was a well-regarded sleeper prospect.
The same quality of QB and OL play even from five years ago, is missing. CFB has become a game where you need to be able to drop 40 points at will to win a game.
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And yes, I actually agree with the sentiment that Eli Manning today has a better NFL arm than Jones does.
100% believe that.
Absolutely.
Again, I ask: in what way is Daniel Jones significantly better than Ryan Finley? Why is one considered a 2nd-4th round pick and the other considered to be a potential top ten pick? They are very similar players.
Agreed.
Remember Belichick: "Talent sets the floor. Success is not all about talent. It’s about dependability, consistency, being coachable, and understanding what you need to do to improve.”
I've posed the same question several times.
Yet to see anyone really give a good explanation of what makes Jones a 1st round pick and Finley a 3rd. They have many of the same strengths and weaknesses. They are similar in size.
To me, it's hard to really tell why there's such a gap in the way they're graded. I assume I must be missing something.
Here's THE only reason for me - Cutcliffe.
Ryan completed 66% of his passes the last two years. And he has very good size, too.
His age could be a concern turning 26 in December. To some, not me, that is flag of some sort...
NCST had talent, they definitively recruited and had more talent across their team then Duke did.
Yet NCST arguably underachieved while Duke over-achieved.
Who?
Who is one of the best talent evaluators. And how do you know many in the league like him? B/c that's what leaked a week before the draft? And what about his talent impresses you> Or is it just poise and the fact he's faced adversity?