Buffalo QB Tyree Jackson

Could be as early as Round 4/5.

and see if they can build him up?

and I hope it's with 1 of our 4th round picks.

He is a project in every sense of the word ... but he may have the most raw talent/"upside" in this draft.

i would consider him @ 95 ... his size/arm/mobility are a lot to work with.
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in that Tyree video. :)

but I'm all about rolling the dice on a guy like this ... he busts, oh well you "Wasted" a mid rounder ... he hits, and you have a bigger more athletic Roethlisberger

i would absolutely take a shot on him, as soon as 95 depending on who's available.

He has physical attributes that, if developed, could make him quite the weapon at QB.

6'7 250 with a cannon and mobility? They don't come along often.

His work ethic is sick. I have no idea if it is or isn't but for him to realize his potential he needs so much work. If he is willing to put in the work and just absorb everything Eli and staff teaches him....then his upside is huge. Tremendous Arm, Tough kid, throws a beautiful ball. Reminds me of Cam.

I like where he spends his free time ...

Hopefully Eli likes him.
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6'6". 250 lbs. How'd that work out?

went on the less I liked. Honestly, there isn't much there past decent AA and an absolute cannon. He's decently accurate, but his decision making and anticipation seem to slow for NFL. That being said if he is somehow still there in 5th he is worth a flyer. He won't though.

In comment 14399945 Bill in UT said:

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6'6". 250 lbs. How'd that work out?

about as well as 40% of 1st round QBs over a 25 year sample ... but yes, lets avoid Jackson because of a completely different player taken 5 drafts ago on a different team

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exciting prospect, but extremely raw. Not for us. Build the rest of the team, and work on the QB next year.

If they went that way, that's probably the end of Lauletta. They'd keep Jackson, Tanney and Eli. Jackson is probably at least a year of NFL coaching away from being ready to take a snap at QB. If he can play special teams at least they could justify him on the 53. Otherwise, practice squad, and there's going to be a lot of competition for those PS slots this year. Plus if he shows anything in practice other teams will be sniffing around.

He thinks he might go in the 3rd. I don't agree with AJ.

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exciting prospect, but extremely raw. Not for us. Build the rest of the team, and work on the QB next year.

A QB-needy team with 12 draft picks seems like a perfect place to me ...

but my kid goes to UB. I've seen almost every game he's played. a few observations:

UB was pretty bad before he got there. They instantly got better as soon as he became the starter.

He threw the ball long a ton. They were a run first offense especially late in the 2018 season. They left him a lot of third and longs which I think contributed to the low completion percentage. That said he also, it seemed to me he almost always threw deep if he had a deep receiver. There wasn't much if any checking down. …. And he had a ton of time to throw. It was about 5 games before they gave up a sack.

He moves surprisingly well for a guy his size. I wouldn't say he's great a avoiding the rush but he's definitely not bad at it.

I think the 'huge arm' reputation is a little too complimentary. I'd say his arm is strong enough for the nfl but not well above average.

I couldn't comment on mechanics very well as to what he's doing wrong, but from the pocket he seems to have a long wind up. Seems to me the ball should come out faster. He actually seems throw better outside the pocket.

He has tools no doubt but a lot to learn. I'm curious to see what he can do with nfl coaching

In comment 14400016 GothamGiants said:

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In comment 14399966 AcidTest said: Quote: exciting prospect, but extremely raw. Not for us. Build the rest of the team, and work on the QB next year. A QB-needy team with 12 draft picks seems like a perfect place to me ...

Maybe, but they can't afford to keep him on the 53 and be inactive every week. Can he do anything else to help the team win, in case he has to be activated?

Too much raw talent. He's a Day 3 pick for me but there's talk he could go in the 3rd and be stashed. It just takes the right coaching. I would've never thought Mahomes would go 10 overall and look at what he's become. Dak isn't the second coming of Montana but he has been a valuable 4th rounder in more ways than one for Dallas.

Jackson has some flaws but traits as well and he didn't have a private QB coach like many of the top guys in this draft. He watched YouTube videos for coaching. He won't turn 22 until November and every report I hear is that he's very smart and a great locker room guy.

We have five picks in rounds 4-5. If for some reason that's still that way on Saturday I would use one on him. If it doesn't work. It's a mid round pick. If it does we got a steal.

at the NFL level.

6'7", 249lbs, 4.59 40 time. Well, the Giants have enough picks to take a flier on a guy in a later round.

He looked like he was having fun at the combine.
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Whom I keep saying is pretty much the same guy except I think this kid was Murray’s size in 9th grade.

Project for sure.

But so RAW with awful mechanics. Huge project.

No more projects.

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In comment 14400152 LauderdaleMatty said:

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Whom I keep saying is pretty much the same guy except I think this kid was Murray’s size in 9th grade. Project for sure.

This is just wrong... lol.

I'd take him in the third but feel like he will be gone by then maybe to NE at the end of the first round.

Great at developing mid round QBs lately. May as well go back to that well !

is nonsense.

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but my kid goes to UB. I've seen almost every game he's played. a few observations: UB was pretty bad before he got there. They instantly got better as soon as he became the starter. He threw the ball long a ton. They were a run first offense especially late in the 2018 season. They left him a lot of third and longs which I think contributed to the low completion percentage. That said he also, it seemed to me he almost always threw deep if he had a deep receiver. There wasn't much if any checking down. …. And he had a ton of time to throw. It was about 5 games before they gave up a sack. He moves surprisingly well for a guy his size. I wouldn't say he's great a avoiding the rush but he's definitely not bad at it. I think the 'huge arm' reputation is a little too complimentary. I'd say his arm is strong enough for the nfl but not well above average. I couldn't comment on mechanics very well as to what he's doing wrong, but from the pocket he seems to have a long wind up. Seems to me the ball should come out faster. He actually seems throw better outside the pocket. He has tools no doubt but a lot to learn. I'm curious to see what he can do with nfl coaching

The guy's arm is insane. I really don't know any other way to put it. He has a Howitzer. While the throws were from a short distance, Steve Smith had to tell Jackson to dial it back during the gauntlet drill for WRs because he was throwing the ball too hard.

our asshats silence on this guy means something’s brewing ...

I would not be opposed to a 3rd round trade up, following 2 defensive players and Risner

This guy flat out has the capability of making plays some other QBs can’t even think of trying ... that’s a guy you take a flyer on

I like him as a 4th rounder but his tools are interesting. Probably won't last 3. The talent is especially deep rounds 2-4 so maybe he'll fall but I doubt it.

In comment 14400464 Zeke's Alibi said:

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I like him as a 4th rounder but his tools are interesting. Probably won't last 3. The talent is especially deep rounds 2-4 so maybe he'll fall but I doubt it.

Watch Oakland take him 4th ... overall.

I would absolutely trade up in round 3 if he was still available ... I’ll start getting nervous as teams go on the clock in the late 2nd with old but quality QBs (GB, SD, NO) where he’d have a lot of time to sit/develop

Wilkins, Bush, Risner, Jackson - my dream top 4

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In comment 14400026 Ron Johnson said: Quote: but my kid goes to UB. I've seen almost every game he's played. a few observations: UB was pretty bad before he got there. They instantly got better as soon as he became the starter. He threw the ball long a ton. They were a run first offense especially late in the 2018 season. They left him a lot of third and longs which I think contributed to the low completion percentage. That said he also, it seemed to me he almost always threw deep if he had a deep receiver. There wasn't much if any checking down. …. And he had a ton of time to throw. It was about 5 games before they gave up a sack. He moves surprisingly well for a guy his size. I wouldn't say he's great a avoiding the rush but he's definitely not bad at it. I think the 'huge arm' reputation is a little too complimentary. I'd say his arm is strong enough for the nfl but not well above average. I couldn't comment on mechanics very well as to what he's doing wrong, but from the pocket he seems to have a long wind up. Seems to me the ball should come out faster. He actually seems throw better outside the pocket. He has tools no doubt but a lot to learn. I'm curious to see what he can do with nfl coaching The guy's arm is insane. I really don't know any other way to put it. He has a Howitzer. While the throws were from a short distance, Steve Smith had to tell Jackson to dial it back during the gauntlet drill for WRs because he was throwing the ball too hard.

Middle of the pack is another way to put it
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that is bandied about that really doesn't mean anything. They never tell these guys to throw it as hard as they can. Jackson has a Mahomes/Allen level arm. The major difference is his throwing motion is a bit elongated. I watched the guy throw the ball 75 yards in the air in warmups no wind. Guy has an insane arm.

Talking about making things easy for your qb.

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In comment 14400152 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: Whom I keep saying is pretty much the same guy except I think this kid was Murray’s size in 9th grade. Project for sure. This is just wrong... lol.

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Being sarcastic of course. Lol. And he’s much rawer than Murray but the size thing is probably spot on But to me Murray isn’t anywhere near the finished product a number one over all pick should be. That last guy was Luck. I don’t think he’s going to be any more successful that RG3 was.

In comment 14400532 LauderdaleMatty said:

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In comment 14400166 Johnny5 said: Quote: In comment 14400152 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: Whom I keep saying is pretty much the same guy except I think this kid was Murray’s size in 9th grade. Project for sure. This is just wrong... lol. . Being sarcastic of course. Lol. And he’s much rawer than Murray but the size thing is probably spot on But to me Murray isn’t anywhere near the finished product a number one over all pick should be. That last guy was Luck. I don’t think he’s going to be any more successful that RG3 was.

No way, he is on another planet passing the ball compared to RG3. If Murray was even 2 inches taller and another 10 pounds I am guessing he is considered by every team as the consensus #1 on any team's board. His only knock is height/weight. Which is still possibly a big knock... lol. Hey it's obviously just my dopey fan opinion, and I certainly could be wrong but I think Murray is the best QB to come out in a long time. I think he is going to have a great career.

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In comment 14400532 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: In comment 14400166 Johnny5 said: Quote: In comment 14400152 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: Whom I keep saying is pretty much the same guy except I think this kid was Murray’s size in 9th grade. Project for sure. This is just wrong... lol. . Being sarcastic of course. Lol. And he’s much rawer than Murray but the size thing is probably spot on But to me Murray isn’t anywhere near the finished product a number one over all pick should be. That last guy was Luck. I don’t think he’s going to be any more successful that RG3 was. No way, he is on another planet passing the ball compared to RG3. If Murray was even 2 inches taller and another 10 pounds I am guessing he is considered by every team as the consensus #1 on any team's board. His only knock is height/weight. Which is still possibly a big knock... lol. Hey it's obviously just my dopey fan opinion, and I certainly could be wrong but I think Murray is the best QB to come out in a long time. I think he is going to have a great career.

In a long time? We seem To hear that every year. Size and durability are questions for sure but no one knows how he will adjust to NFL defenses.(that goes for a lot of QBs to be fair) One year playing In the defenseless big 12 adds another question for me. I’m not a fan of gimmick offenses and more Than a few pretty smart NFL people think he will need a tailor made O to really succeed. It’s a crap shoot with few sure things every year He may be as good as think he will be. We will find out sooner than later.

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In a long time? We seem To hear that every year. Size and durability are questions for sure but no one knows how he will adjust to NFL defenses.(that goes for a lot of QBs to be fair) One year playing In the defenseless big 12 adds another question for me. I’m not a fan of gimmick offenses and more Than a few pretty smart NFL people think he will need a tailor made O to really succeed. It’s a crap shoot with few sure things every year He may be as good as think he will be. We will find out sooner than later.

Sure I hear ya. The game that sold me on him was the Alabama game. He was facing ridiculous pressure and his team was not helping him that day. Bama rattled him and bottled him up in the 1st half, he got decked on a cheap shot from Q Williams but he kept coming and single-handedly kept them in that game. I'm totally 100% sold on Murray... lol

there is an analysis out there that points to QB's over 6'5" as being at a distinct disadvantage. And historically, they fare poorly and are often injured.