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3 names @ Pick 6

Quinnen Williams (via trade up perhaps), Josh Allen, Christian Wilkins


Notable guys not in consideration:

Oliver - character stuff Giants want impeccable at 6
Gary- Labrum tear, production doesn't match talent
Sweat- Heart condition and possible character stuff
Bosa- very unlikely to drop.

Honestly based on all the info including our most trusted inside sources, I'd be amazed at this point if it were anyone else besides one of these 3 unless amazingly all 3 were gone.
Josh Allen  
Nine-Tails : 10:54 pm : link
Seems to be increasingly possible he makes it to six. I smell blood in the water. Hopefully, I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.
Is this an “educated guess” / asshattery  
GothamGiants : 10:55 pm : link
Or just random thoughts?

Either way, I like it. Hoping Allen falls, perfect fit here in terms of need/talent.
You forgot White  
ryanmkeane : 10:57 pm : link
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My guesses  
Jay in Toronto : 10:58 pm : link
Allen (hope), Wilkins, Taylor
RE: Josh Allen  
Giantz_comeback : 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14400577 Nine-Tails said:
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Seems to be increasingly possible he makes it to six. I smell blood in the water. Hopefully, I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.


I think they take Q over them all but Allen over Wilk Im not sure.

I think they love Wilk.
RE: Josh Allen  
FrankieR : 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14400577 Nine-Tails said:
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Seems to be increasingly possible he makes it to six. I smell blood in the water. Hopefully, I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.


I dont see how you can see that if the rumors about AZ not picking Murray are true.

Basically the only two ways this could happen is if AZ takes Murray AND OAK takes Haskins/Oliver. Or if the Jets take Oliver. There is no way I can see Allen falling to 6 without either two QBs being grabbed or Oliver leapfrogs Allen.
RE: RE: Josh Allen  
GothamGiants : 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14400592 FrankieR said:
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Seems to be increasingly possible he makes it to six. I smell blood in the water. Hopefully, I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.



I dont see how you can see that if the rumors about AZ not picking Murray are true.

Basically the only two ways this could happen is if AZ takes Murray AND OAK takes Haskins/Oliver. Or if the Jets take Oliver. There is no way I can see Allen falling to 6 without either two QBs being grabbed or Oliver leapfrogs Allen.


The Jets aren’t as high on Allen as everyone assumes ... they are actively trying to trade down to secure the services of players they like as much/more (Oliver, Brian Burns).

I don’t think it would cost the Giants much to move up to their spot ... say 6th + a 3rd and 4th rounder, to move up and guarantee Williams or Allen. The jets want more picks after the Darnold trade, and Oliver is very much in play at 3 if they cant move down.
RE: RE: Josh Allen  
shyster : 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14400592 FrankieR said:
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Seems to be increasingly possible he makes it to six. I smell blood in the water. Hopefully, I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.



I dont see how you can see that if the rumors about AZ not picking Murray are true.

Basically the only two ways this could happen is if AZ takes Murray AND OAK takes Haskins/Oliver. Or if the Jets take Oliver. There is no way I can see Allen falling to 6 without either two QBs being grabbed or Oliver leapfrogs Allen.


You're not really wrong on the scenarios but: the possibility of Oliver going to Jets or Raiders is getting more buzz, and, even if AZ passes on Murray, the betting odds are still extremely high that he goes top five, one way or the other.

Tampa could be a wild card for Allen making it to six. They're supposed to be enamored with White. But maybe they go for Allen if he's there.
Don’t let the culture fluff  
hitdog42 : 11:17 pm : link
Being floated around make you think the giants aren’t high on Olivier.
RE: Don’t let the culture fluff  
Zeke's Alibi : 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14400603 hitdog42 said:
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Being floated around make you think the giants aren’t high on Olivier.


I'm not surprised. Teams looked into that incident and I'm sure came to the same conclusion that I did, Major Applewhite is an asshole. Although these new reports make it seem like he's got a bit of the crazy in him. He's a football player not a saint though, can be a.good thing.
Oliver  
GothamGiants : 11:23 pm : link
seems like the kind of talent Bettcher would love to scheme around

(D.Bush too - his skillset is perfect for “moneybacker”)
RE: Oliver  
FrankieR : 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14400611 GothamGiants said:
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seems like the kind of talent Bettcher would love to scheme around

(D.Bush too - his skillset is perfect for “moneybacker”)


I would love Oliver at 6 if his attitude checks out.
RE: Oliver  
Giantz_comeback : 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14400611 GothamGiants said:
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seems like the kind of talent Bettcher would love to scheme around

(D.Bush too - his skillset is perfect for “moneybacker”)


Not at 6 for either Devin. 17 absolutely.

Oliver is a potential lead dog like Wilk or Quinnen?
Amazing  
Bones : 11:44 pm : link
No mention of OT in play at 6.
RE: RE: RE: Josh Allen  
Boy Cord : 11:49 pm : link
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Seems to be increasingly possible he makes it to six. I smell blood in the water. Hopefully, I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.



I dont see how you can see that if the rumors about AZ not picking Murray are true.

Basically the only two ways this could happen is if AZ takes Murray AND OAK takes Haskins/Oliver. Or if the Jets take Oliver. There is no way I can see Allen falling to 6 without either two QBs being grabbed or Oliver leapfrogs Allen.



The Jets aren’t as high on Allen as everyone assumes ... they are actively trying to trade down to secure the services of players they like as much/more (Oliver, Brian Burns).

I don’t think it would cost the Giants much to move up to their spot ... say 6th + a 3rd and 4th rounder, to move up and guarantee Williams or Allen. The jets want more picks after the Darnold trade, and Oliver is very much in play at 3 if they cant move down.


Last year the Jets gave up three second round picks to move from 6 to 3. They aren’t taking a third and fourth.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Josh Allen  
nowturnyourheadandcoughlin : 4/24/2019 12:21 am : link
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Seems to be increasingly possible he makes it to six. I smell blood in the water. Hopefully, I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.



I dont see how you can see that if the rumors about AZ not picking Murray are true.

Basically the only two ways this could happen is if AZ takes Murray AND OAK takes Haskins/Oliver. Or if the Jets take Oliver. There is no way I can see Allen falling to 6 without either two QBs being grabbed or Oliver leapfrogs Allen.



The Jets aren’t as high on Allen as everyone assumes ... they are actively trying to trade down to secure the services of players they like as much/more (Oliver, Brian Burns).

I don’t think it would cost the Giants much to move up to their spot ... say 6th + a 3rd and 4th rounder, to move up and guarantee Williams or Allen. The jets want more picks after the Darnold trade, and Oliver is very much in play at 3 if they cant move down.



Last year the Jets gave up three second round picks to move from 6 to 3. They aren’t taking a third and fourth.
Exactly, the Jets ruined it for everyone else. Moving 6 to 3 now costs an arm and a leg. Anyone sitting at #3 will simply say? Look at what the Jets paid last year. Pay up or shut up.
Am I the only one worried that Allen becomes a bust?  
George from PA : 4/24/2019 5:20 am : link
I get concern about speed only guys
RE: Don’t let the culture fluff  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 5:25 am : link
In comment 14400603 hitdog42 said:
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Being floated around make you think the giants aren’t high on Olivier.


Not saying they arent high on him but due to the charcater stuff probably a tick lower than the other guys. Right or wrong, don't think they take him over Wilk. Now if Q.Will, Allen, Bosa and Wilk are gone, maybe.

3 names  
Peppers : 4/24/2019 5:42 am : link
J. Allen
D.White
D. Haskins
RE: RE: Don’t let the culture fluff  
hitdog42 : 4/24/2019 5:51 am : link
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Being floated around make you think the giants aren’t high on Olivier.



Not saying they arent high on him but due to the charcater stuff probably a tick lower than the other guys. Right or wrong, don't think they take him over Wilk. Now if Q.Will, Allen, Bosa and Wilk are gone, maybe.
well he would be naturally lower than 3 of those guys just on scouts- except for Wilkins
RE: RE: RE: Don’t let the culture fluff  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 6:04 am : link
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Being floated around make you think the giants aren’t high on Olivier.



Not saying they arent high on him but due to the charcater stuff probably a tick lower than the other guys. Right or wrong, don't think they take him over Wilk. Now if Q.Will, Allen, Bosa and Wilk are gone, maybe.


well he would be naturally lower than 3 of those guys just on scouts- except for Wilkins


Wilk likely takes priority due to character on Giants board.
So, you have ruled out QB?  
ZogZerg : 4/24/2019 6:27 am : link
I don't see any way possible Giants get Williams.
That's all BBI dream land.
RE: 3 names  
Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2019 6:36 am : link
In comment 14400714 Peppers said:
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J. Allen
D.White
D. Haskins


In that order?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Don’t let the culture fluff  
Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2019 6:37 am : link
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Being floated around make you think the giants aren’t high on Olivier.



Not saying they arent high on him but due to the charcater stuff probably a tick lower than the other guys. Right or wrong, don't think they take him over Wilk. Now if Q.Will, Allen, Bosa and Wilk are gone, maybe.


well he would be naturally lower than 3 of those guys just on scouts- except for Wilkins



Wilk likely takes priority due to character on Giants board.


If Hitdog says something you should listen..
RE: So, you have ruled out QB?  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 6:59 am : link
In comment 14400727 ZogZerg said:
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I don't see any way possible Giants get Williams.
That's all BBI dream land.


Not necessarily. No one said the chance is high but it isnt super low either.

Murray
Bosa
Oliver or trade down
Oak- Allen or Suprise pick
Tampa White

Not crazy at all based on the stuff we're hearing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Don’t let the culture fluff  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 7:02 am : link
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Being floated around make you think the giants aren’t high on Olivier.



Not saying they arent high on him but due to the charcater stuff probably a tick lower than the other guys. Right or wrong, don't think they take him over Wilk. Now if Q.Will, Allen, Bosa and Wilk are gone, maybe.


well he would be naturally lower than 3 of those guys just on scouts- except for Wilkins



Wilk likely takes priority due to character on Giants board.



If Hitdog says something you should listen..


Hitdog has freely admitted he doesnt have the same connection he used to. We agree Bosa Allen and Q are probably higher but I think Wilk is higher than Oliver.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 7:52 am : link
Hitdog knows more than he is letting on.
and it  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 7:56 am : link
sounds like Peppers may be in the know.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Don’t let the culture fluff  
Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2019 8:06 am : link
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Being floated around make you think the giants aren’t high on Olivier.



Not saying they arent high on him but due to the charcater stuff probably a tick lower than the other guys. Right or wrong, don't think they take him over Wilk. Now if Q.Will, Allen, Bosa and Wilk are gone, maybe.


well he would be naturally lower than 3 of those guys just on scouts- except for Wilkins



Wilk likely takes priority due to character on Giants board.



If Hitdog says something you should listen..



Hitdog has freely admitted he doesnt have the same connection he used to. We agree Bosa Allen and Q are probably higher but I think Wilk is higher than Oliver.


Yes he has, but he's been connected to this team for a long time. I'm sure he has a good understanding of their thinking. Also I think he knows more then he says he does.
I think it's Wilkins, even if Allen is still on the board.  
Section331 : 4/24/2019 8:09 am : link
Williams might be another story, but I don't see him making it to 6.
Peppers is one of the more quiet asshats we have here  
Chris684 : 4/24/2019 8:11 am : link
but I also believe he's solid.

If you do the math on Allen-White-Haskins, strong chance we get our next QB at 6.
RE: Peppers is one of the more quiet asshats we have here  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 8:59 am : link
In comment 14400846 Chris684 said:
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but I also believe he's solid.

If you do the math on Allen-White-Haskins, strong chance we get our next QB at 6.


Peppers is one of those flying-under-the-radar posters who folks should pay more attention to.
RE: RE: Peppers is one of the more quiet asshats we have here  
AcidTest : 4/24/2019 9:16 am : link
In comment 14400935 Eric from BBI said:
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but I also believe he's solid.

If you do the math on Allen-White-Haskins, strong chance we get our next QB at 6.



Peppers is one of those flying-under-the-radar posters who folks should pay more attention to.


Agree. Also agree that hitdog42 probably knows something more.
RE: 3 names  
GothamGiants : 4/24/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14400714 Peppers said:
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J. Allen
D.White
D. Haskins


Haskins is nauseating ... praying some stupid team trades up for him
The Giants Need 3 Teams To Pick Other Than  
Trainmaster : 4/24/2019 9:30 am : link
the top 3 defensive players (Q Williams, Bosa and Josh Allen).

Murray to Arizona would be one.
??? to Oakland (they supposedly have a "surprise pick")
??? to ???
RE: The Giants Need 3 Teams To Pick Other Than  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14401030 Trainmaster said:
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the top 3 defensive players (Q Williams, Bosa and Josh Allen).

Murray to Arizona would be one.
??? to Oakland (they supposedly have a "surprise pick")
??? to ???


Jets trade down to a team that picks QB
Tampa takes White

There are plenty of realistic scenarios.

Its has a punchers chance of happening.

For this D though the biggest prize would be Q.Will followed by the ultra versatile Allen. I like Bosa but hope he goes #2 to Niners or if not we trade for Buckner and get Allen.
RE: RE: RE: Josh Allen  
JayBinQueens : 4/24/2019 9:36 am : link
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Seems to be increasingly possible he makes it to six. I smell blood in the water. Hopefully, I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.



I dont see how you can see that if the rumors about AZ not picking Murray are true.

Basically the only two ways this could happen is if AZ takes Murray AND OAK takes Haskins/Oliver. Or if the Jets take Oliver. There is no way I can see Allen falling to 6 without either two QBs being grabbed or Oliver leapfrogs Allen.



You're not really wrong on the scenarios but: the possibility of Oliver going to Jets or Raiders is getting more buzz, and, even if AZ passes on Murray, the betting odds are still extremely high that he goes top five, one way or the other.

Tampa could be a wild card for Allen making it to six. They're supposed to be enamored with White. But maybe they go for Allen if he's there.

I think the jets are floating the Oliver stuff to potentially get Oakland to trade up with them
Allen and Carter off the edge  
ryanmkeane : 4/24/2019 9:39 am : link
is getting me amped
RE: RE: RE: Josh Allen  
Brandon Walsh : 4/24/2019 10:13 am : link
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Seems to be increasingly possible he makes it to six. I smell blood in the water. Hopefully, I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.



I dont see how you can see that if the rumors about AZ not picking Murray are true.

Basically the only two ways this could happen is if AZ takes Murray AND OAK takes Haskins/Oliver. Or if the Jets take Oliver. There is no way I can see Allen falling to 6 without either two QBs being grabbed or Oliver leapfrogs Allen.



The Jets aren’t as high on Allen as everyone assumes ... they are actively trying to trade down to secure the services of players they like as much/more (Oliver, Brian Burns).

I don’t think it would cost the Giants much to move up to their spot ... say 6th + a 3rd and 4th rounder, to move up and guarantee Williams or Allen. The jets want more picks after the Darnold trade, and Oliver is very much in play at 3 if they cant move down.


Does this iteration of JerseyJoe have to ruin every good draft thread there is ?
RE: Allen and Carter off the edge  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14401057 ryanmkeane said:
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is getting me amped


Don't forget about Markus Golden too.
RE: RE: Allen and Carter off the edge  
ryanmkeane : 4/24/2019 10:26 am : link
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is getting me amped



Don't forget about Markus Golden too.

Great point
RE: RE: Allen and Carter off the edge  
GothamGiants : 4/24/2019 10:46 am : link
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is getting me amped



Don't forget about Markus Golden too.


i want Golden used in a rotation/3rd down packages ... loved the signing. Actually have some depth in the front 7 for the first time in years (assuming they go D 1st round)

Allen, Carter, Golden keeping each other fresh = pass rush solved.
Christian Wilkins character stuff...  
KerrysFlask : 4/24/2019 11:15 am : link
...SCREAMS what the Giants are trying to do personality wise.
RE: Christian Wilkins character stuff...  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14401360 KerrysFlask said:
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...SCREAMS what the Giants are trying to do personality wise.


Bingo. Him or Q ....the only egdge that may change that is if Allen is there.

Wilkins is interesting though. With how deep this draft is he might still be there at 17.

Imagine Allen at 6 and then Wilk at 17? Wow....
RE: ...  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14400814 Eric from BBI said:
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Hitdog knows more than he is letting on.


Eric you throwin shade bro?

Lol.
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