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Vin_Cuccs : 4/23/2019 11:50 pm
As some of you may know, I have a friend of a friend who works as an attorney, and also a smalltime NFL agent who has a very small client base with very few recognizable names in his spare time.

He gave me a little information that he heard regarding some of the top prospects. This is just information he’s heard; not his personal opinions. I have a no idea how accurate this is. Some of it is somewhat redundant, so if this is not received well, I will gladly delete.

Nick Bosa-the real deal. Some minor concerns about staying healthy.

Quinnen Williams-best all around player in the draft. Most teams feel this way. Only negative is that he can sometimes be overwhelmed by double teams, and only 1 year of experience at the college level.

Josh Allen-super productive in the SEC. Will have to develop a power rush move. Can rely too much on speed at times, and will not run around NFL OT’s. People will expect Kahlil Mack, and he is not that type of player. Solid prospect.

Ed Oliver-very talented. Underrated by the media. Very strange guy which may hurt him. Will go higher than many anticipate.

Rashan Gary-a bit underrated, but the shoulder injury is going to hurt him. He will fall.

Devin White-can fly. Stud. Thumper. Think Bobby Wagner. See ball, get ball.

Christian Wilkins-very down on him. Does a lot of things well, but nothing spectacular. Will not be a pro bowl caliber player, but smart, heady guy who can start right away with his intelligence.

Will Grier-career back up. Very streaky/inconsistent.

Greedy Williams-very talented. Can fly. Afraid of contact. Problems with motivation/focus. Up and down tape.

Montez Sweat-the enlarged heart will hurt his status on some team boards. Similar to Maurice Hearst last year, but not as severe. No family history. Can be managed.

DK Metcalf-good player, but the comparisons to Julio Jones are way off.

Lonnie Johnson and Darnell Savage-will go much higher than people expect. Not getting enough attention.

He has no idea who will go #1, or with the Giants plan is.

Crazy year, because it is a deep draft, and everyone has been very quiet about their plans.

Again, if this is too redundant, or isn’t received well, I will gladly delete.


Thanks  
Pork Chop : 4/23/2019 11:52 pm : link
love this kind of stuff.
There's been so much buzz about Wilkins and the Giants  
81_Great_Dane : 4/23/2019 11:57 pm : link
but at #6, I don't want a reliable overachiever who can be a solid starter but no more. I want a "gold jacket guy." Someone was on WFAN today on the midday show and he had a similar assessment of Wilkins. Good at a lot of things, not great at anything, solid starer, not a star.
Two quick things I forgot:  
Vin_Cuccs : 4/24/2019 12:01 am : link
Devin White-great leader.

Will Grier-mature, and has been through a lot. Already turned 24 years old.
Thanks Vin  
FrankieR : 4/24/2019 12:06 am : link
Good stuff about White being compared to Wagner. I loved his game. Would love a guy like that at 6. But probably love Oliver a little more. I would love a John Randle on this team. Just a maniac in the trenches, but not a maniac with his teammates.
Also this needs to be added.  
nowturnyourheadandcoughlin : 4/24/2019 12:15 am : link
I know a dog walker whose neighbor is a janitor at a school where a wife's husband used to work but is now an NFL scout.

He says that Christian Wilkins is a homosexual athlete like Michael Sam. He has yet to come out, but his draft stock is falling because he's gay. Here's video of Christian Wilkins sexually assaulting an Ohio player during a game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDgJJuyXHY

Montez Sweat was kicked out of MSU for smoking weed. A lot of teams have questions on his draft stock since a lot of recent players have trouble stopping their drug use (Josh Gordon and Randy Gregory come to mind).

Ed Oliver has anger issues. Some question if he will be a problem to coach because of his tendency to have anger flare ups.

Jeffery Simmons is considered one of the best players in this draft class. He tore his ACL at the end of the season. That will ruin his draft stock. To make things worse he also has massive character issues. I won't link the video but several years ago he was caught on video brutally punching a girl repeatedly in the face. The Cowboys can't wait to draft him.

Some people are making T.J. Hockenson out to be the next TE great. O.J. Howard was a higher rated prospect coming out of college. He was selected 19th overall. Since this is the first year that Gronk is retired obviously the next white prospect needs to be called the next Gronk. He's not complaining.

too funny  
xman : 4/24/2019 12:41 am : link
thanks
Give me Ed Oliver..  
prdave73 : 4/24/2019 1:42 am : link
please..
RE: Also this needs to be added.  
FrankieR : 4/24/2019 1:54 am : link
In comment 14400644 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:
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I know a dog walker whose neighbor is a janitor at a school where a wife's husband used to work but is now an NFL scout.

He says that Christian Wilkins is a homosexual athlete like Michael Sam. He has yet to come out, but his draft stock is falling because he's gay. Here's video of Christian Wilkins sexually assaulting an Ohio player during a game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDgJJuyXHY

Montez Sweat was kicked out of MSU for smoking weed. A lot of teams have questions on his draft stock since a lot of recent players have trouble stopping their drug use (Josh Gordon and Randy Gregory come to mind).

Ed Oliver has anger issues. Some question if he will be a problem to coach because of his tendency to have anger flare ups.

Jeffery Simmons is considered one of the best players in this draft class. He tore his ACL at the end of the season. That will ruin his draft stock. To make things worse he also has massive character issues. I won't link the video but several years ago he was caught on video brutally punching a girl repeatedly in the face. The Cowboys can't wait to draft him.

Some people are making T.J. Hockenson out to be the next TE great. O.J. Howard was a higher rated prospect coming out of college. He was selected 19th overall. Since this is the first year that Gronk is retired obviously the next white prospect needs to be called the next Gronk. He's not complaining.


Youre not a good poster
Even if we sneak into Allen  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/24/2019 2:19 am : link
I think the Barr comp from Sy might be it.

He’s good but thre speed/power combo is lacking. He’s too damn smooth to be a bust but I just don’t see him as a beast. Bosa/ QW seem trremendous but I don’t think Allen is quite that level.
nowturnyourheadandcoughlin  
Jay in Toronto : 4/24/2019 4:19 am : link
Again, you're handling too many testicles.

Give it a rest.

Please.
RE: RE: Also this needs to be added.  
nowturnyourheadandcoughlin : 4/24/2019 4:20 am : link
In comment 14400695 FrankieR said:
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In comment 14400644 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:


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I know a dog walker whose neighbor is a janitor at a school where a wife's husband used to work but is now an NFL scout.

He says that Christian Wilkins is a homosexual athlete like Michael Sam. He has yet to come out, but his draft stock is falling because he's gay. Here's video of Christian Wilkins sexually assaulting an Ohio player during a game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDgJJuyXHY

Montez Sweat was kicked out of MSU for smoking weed. A lot of teams have questions on his draft stock since a lot of recent players have trouble stopping their drug use (Josh Gordon and Randy Gregory come to mind).

Ed Oliver has anger issues. Some question if he will be a problem to coach because of his tendency to have anger flare ups.

Jeffery Simmons is considered one of the best players in this draft class. He tore his ACL at the end of the season. That will ruin his draft stock. To make things worse he also has massive character issues. I won't link the video but several years ago he was caught on video brutally punching a girl repeatedly in the face. The Cowboys can't wait to draft him.

Some people are making T.J. Hockenson out to be the next TE great. O.J. Howard was a higher rated prospect coming out of college. He was selected 19th overall. Since this is the first year that Gronk is retired obviously the next white prospect needs to be called the next Gronk. He's not complaining.




Youre not a good poster
You're not good with apostrophes.
Wilkins  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 5:34 am : link
Has played running back, full back, TE and even decoyed at safety. He is an ultra smart fire plug player. Whos football iQ, get off, reaction time and awareness are off the charts.

He is a football player with excellent character. Is six a little high for him? Depends on whose left. But I think as a 3-4 versatile linemen he will be better than Gary all around and a high pressure guy just maybe not a Super High sack guy.

I still probably take Allen over him but will see what happens.
Josh Allen  
jacob12 : 4/24/2019 6:10 am : link
Trace McSorley said that Allen is the best pass rusher Penn State played against in the last 2 years. He said that Josh has an explosive first step and a great closing burst.Penn State faced Bosa, Gary, and many other top pass rushers. Trace is the fastest QB in the draft and Allen sacked him 3 times.

Penn State players raved about Josh Allen. Josh is an outstanding pass rusher and he has a very high ceiling. I think Allen will be an exceptional NFL player.

Murray going #1, that's low hanging fruit  
ZogZerg : 4/24/2019 6:15 am : link
Not sure I get all of the Bosa love.
I'd be more concerned with injuries than I guess teams are.
Vin  
joeinpa : 4/24/2019 6:41 am : link
Very informative post, exactly one of best parts of BBI during pre draft times.

That you felt the need to qualify it with an apology is a testament to some of the knuckleheads here

Seriously really good info. Also reinforces that just like taking any of the quarterbacks, there are risks involved with some of the elite defenders at the top of the draft
Greedy sounds a lot like apple.  
bradshaw44 : 4/24/2019 7:00 am : link
No thank you.
RE: Greedy sounds a lot like apple.  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 7:03 am : link
In comment 14400757 bradshaw44 said:
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No thank you.


Apple doesn't have nearly the natural man coverage ability that Greedy has.
RE: Also this needs to be added.  
figgy2989 : 4/24/2019 7:08 am : link
In comment 14400644 nowturnyourheadandcoughlin said:
Quote:
I know a dog walker whose neighbor is a janitor at a school where a wife's husband used to work but is now an NFL scout.

He says that Christian Wilkins is a homosexual athlete like Michael Sam. He has yet to come out, but his draft stock is falling because he's gay. Here's video of Christian Wilkins sexually assaulting an Ohio player during a game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDgJJuyXHY

Montez Sweat was kicked out of MSU for smoking weed. A lot of teams have questions on his draft stock since a lot of recent players have trouble stopping their drug use (Josh Gordon and Randy Gregory come to mind).

Ed Oliver has anger issues. Some question if he will be a problem to coach because of his tendency to have anger flare ups.

Jeffery Simmons is considered one of the best players in this draft class. He tore his ACL at the end of the season. That will ruin his draft stock. To make things worse he also has massive character issues. I won't link the video but several years ago he was caught on video brutally punching a girl repeatedly in the face. The Cowboys can't wait to draft him.

Some people are making T.J. Hockenson out to be the next TE great. O.J. Howard was a higher rated prospect coming out of college. He was selected 19th overall. Since this is the first year that Gronk is retired obviously the next white prospect needs to be called the next Gronk. He's not complaining.


I think  
Bones : 4/24/2019 7:35 am : link
We are starting to see that the defensive players are not as can’t miss as we were led to believe a few months ago. I’m expecting OT to be in play at 6.
I believe the internal evaluation of Lorenzo Carter  
Bob in Newburgh : 4/24/2019 8:10 am : link
may make the drafting of Josh Allen highly unlikely.

bpa must always be tempered with a needs analysis.

To me, Carter and Allen are the same player.
I don't even know where to start with this:  
Section331 : 4/24/2019 8:15 am : link
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I know a dog walker whose neighbor is a janitor at a school where a wife's husband used to work but is now an NFL scout.


We've gotten to the point where our asshats are dog walkers. Good God.
Darnell Savage has rocketed up the boards  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 4/24/2019 8:41 am : link
Seeing a lot of first-round grades on him now.
RE: I believe the internal evaluation of Lorenzo Carter  
Jay in Toronto : 4/24/2019 8:50 am : link
In comment 14400843 Bob in Newburgh said:
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may make the drafting of Josh Allen highly unlikely.

bpa must always be tempered with a needs analysis.

To me, Carter and Allen are the same player.


Wouldn't he be the heir to Ogletree and eventually, his contract?
Bosa..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/24/2019 8:52 am : link
will end up being a lot like his brother.

Productive when he plays and often injured.

You can guess the reason why
RE: Bosa..  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 4/24/2019 8:54 am : link
In comment 14400916 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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will end up being a lot like his brother.

Productive when he plays and often injured.

You can guess the reason why


Because their dad was the same way?
RE: RE: I believe the internal evaluation of Lorenzo Carter  
Bob in Newburgh : 4/24/2019 8:58 am : link
In comment 14400915 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 14400843 Bob in Newburgh said:


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may make the drafting of Josh Allen highly unlikely.

bpa must always be tempered with a needs analysis.

To me, Carter and Allen are the same player.



Wouldn't he be the heir to Ogletree and eventually, his contract?


I view Ogletree as strictly inside. Allen and Carter as edge players.
Maybe..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/24/2019 9:04 am : link
the Dad needed to be!!

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Because their dad was the same way?



He was a first round pick that only lasted three years in the league.

What would be interesting is if he has had a Marv Marinovich impact on the sons. Maybe as their supplier!
Thanks Vin  
sjnyfan : 4/24/2019 9:07 am : link
I agree with just about everything here.
RE: I believe the internal evaluation of Lorenzo Carter  
Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14400843 Bob in Newburgh said:
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may make the drafting of Josh Allen highly unlikely.

bpa must always be tempered with a needs analysis.

To me, Carter and Allen are the same player.


Josh Allen is a MUCH better player then Lorenzo Carter is. It's a good thing they are similar. You want ERs who can rush the passer and drop into coverage.

That's like saying you wouldn't draft Tuck, because of Strahan. There are two ERs on the field at all times. Why not have two guys who are very versatile?
Great  
AcidTest : 4/24/2019 9:21 am : link
post. Thanks.
RE: RE: I believe the internal evaluation of Lorenzo Carter  
Bob in Newburgh : 4/24/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14401001 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 14400843 Bob in Newburgh said:


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may make the drafting of Josh Allen highly unlikely.

bpa must always be tempered with a needs analysis.

To me, Carter and Allen are the same player.



Josh Allen is a MUCH better player then Lorenzo Carter is. It's a good thing they are similar. You want ERs who can rush the passer and drop into coverage.

That's like saying you wouldn't draft Tuck, because of Strahan. There are two ERs on the field at all times. Why not have two guys who are very versatile?


Great analogy (sarcasm on)! Vast difference between a 3rd rd pick and the 6th pick in the draft. Not prudent to double uo when there are major needs to fill and options to fill them.
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