NFT: Aaron Boone is perplexing

he has a script and he has to follow it, analytics will kill the yankees..

They do not believe in hot, so voigt could be sat tonight if it is a planned rest, it doesnt matter how good he is hitting right now...

in April have anything to do with the playoffs, unless you are suggesting they miss the playoffs entirely? Will judge be getting rest days in the post season?

lineup, and some of you guys can only complain.

Bullpen was taxed after back to back extra inning games (with a west coast flight in between), so he tried to get too much out of Green, who’s struggling.

But the big picture is pretty good right now - another great start for German...Britton nails it down while Chapman gets a blow...Yanks are getting big hits from Voit and some guys named Ford, Urshela, Tauchman et al.

Also notable - amusingly, the folks who like to criticize Cashman are nowhere to be found. Unbelievable job he’s done so far filling productive players in for our walking wounded.

it but that isn't what this is about. Analytics aren't about what the opening post is talking about. Green didn't have shit and it was beyond obvious. He was missing almost every one of his pitches. He had no control let alone command of his pitches. When he loaded up the bases he should have been out. That's not analytics.

The same criticisms were leveled at Girardi when Betances was going through his rough patch. It’s a good thing that the Yankees had patience with him.

In comment 14400837 robbieballs2003 said:

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it but that isn't what this is about. Analytics aren't about what the opening post is talking about. Green didn't have shit and it was beyond obvious. He was missing almost every one of his pitches. He had no control let alone command of his pitches. When he loaded up the bases he should have been out. That's not analytics.

It isn’t, but not having a feel for the game isn’t it either. You guys make it seem like Boone didn’t know the situation Green put himself in. He clearly had a reason for keeping him in. This whole “feel” thing is weird to prove anyway. I read Alex Cora had great feel for the game last year, does his feel suck now?

The Yankees have won 5 in a row and 7 of 8 playing a bunch of AA and AAA guys. 13 incredibly important players on the DL. And how do Yankees fans react? By spending every game thread complaining about the manager and now starting separate threads to do more of it. Incredible.

Chad Green is very important to the long term success of this team. They are trying to get him straightened out. A 7-1 game in April against the awful Angels is exactly the right time to do it. The bullpen is over worked. It didn’t work out but they still won the game, which is why it was a good time to give Green some mound time. If he doesn’t have it, they still have a huge lead to work with.

Yankees fans killing the manager at every turn is as predictable as death and taxes...

perplexes me more is the timing of this moronic, dumbass thread.

Chad Green gave up a Grand Slam, and the Yanks still won. You do realize that with a big lead, players are given more leeway, right?

So by this reasoning, Gardy hitting a GS to win a game last week was the opposing manager's fault?

Same shit every April.

Last year we had the fucking guy talking about Cora managing circles around Boone. Where the fuck is he now?? The Yanks are winning with a AAA lineup. But a thread needed to be started about the manager.

Fuck off.

by the decisions their manager makes. It's one of the things we love about the game.

I don't think the way he handled Green last night had a lot to do with analytics or a truly long leash.

His team is less than 48 hours into a west coast road trip that began with no off day for travel. They played 14 innings the night prior with 7 innings from 5 bullpen guys.

They've shown that they're going to take bullpen workloads pretty seriously (I think they should). So there weren't a lot of guys on the table for him there.

I think he just felt like the risk/reward of making Green try to work through it made sense. The decision didn't go well for him, but the lead was big enough that they were still able to win the game.

Nice stuff from Cessa once again to take the air out of the balloon in the 8th.

Needs to work this out in AAA

might be a valid criticism. Bringing him with a large cushion, is not, IMO. Green has earned some slack.

In comment 14400849 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14400837 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: it but that isn't what this is about. Analytics aren't about what the opening post is talking about. Green didn't have shit and it was beyond obvious. He was missing almost every one of his pitches. He had no control let alone command of his pitches. When he loaded up the bases he should have been out. That's not analytics. It isn’t, but not having a feel for the game isn’t it either. You guys make it seem like Boone didn’t know the situation Green put himself in. He clearly had a reason for keeping him in. This whole “feel” thing is weird to prove anyway. I read Alex Cora had great feel for the game last year, does his feel suck now?

That isn't a feel. It is fact that Green didn't have shit yesterday. Not sure how that is debatable.

that Boone was too stupid to realize it? Or is it more likely he used the big cushion to get him work and hopefully build his confidence?

I saw the same posts last year with Shreve. 5 run lead and bitching about bringing him in. There’s a reason for it, one you may not agree with but a reason nonetheless.

These guys need work. They need to get out of jams and right the ship. It’s a long season.

and had a taxed bullpen. You live with Chad Green pitching with the bases loaded. If the worst thing happens, and a grand slam is hit, you still have a 2-run lead late in the 8th inning.

It's easy to criticize in hindsight, but people are acting like the odds of him giving up a grand slam were significant. Bour's best career season was hitting a HR 1 every 15 at bats.

It's also a relatively low-risk opportunity to allow Green to work out of a jam. You want him feeling confident with the bases loaded in a big spot for down the road.

How often will he have a more low-risk opportunity to do so than a 6 run lead in the 8th inning?

Taking Green out there because of concern over a 6-run lead that late in the game is how a team destroys a bullpen over a season.

don't know how this is overlooked:

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These guys need work. They need to get out of jams and right the ship. It’s a long season.

Last night was a perfect time to get a pitcher who was struggling a chance to work out of it. Especially with a thin pen and him being one of the less used arms.

And for all we know - they have been discussing a stint at AAA. But as a manager, you only get so many chances to experiment in games.

Boone is getting killed by the OP and in the game thread, but in actuality, he's finding things out that he needs to know for the season.

This constant over-reaction to a bad inning really is ponderous stuff.

"Joey Binders has no feel for the game!" They say this because "feel" is nebulous, essentially meaningless term that is a convenient catchall description of any decision a manager makes that backfires.

I have plenty of concerns about Aaron Boone, and yes, he has a track record from last year's playoffs of leaving struggling pitchers in too long. That said, it's April and it would be to their great benefit to get Green back on track, so they're giving him chances to pitch with huge leads. It hasn't worked, but if you're not going to pitch Green with a six run lead, when would you?

In comment 14400918 UConn4523 said:

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that Boone was too stupid to realize it? Or is it more likely he used the big cushion to get him work and hopefully build his confidence? I saw the same posts last year with Shreve. 5 run lead and bitching about bringing him in. There’s a reason for it, one you may not agree with but a reason nonetheless. These guys need work. They need to get out of jams and right the ship. It’s a long season.

You need to relax. Why are you being a dick and putting words in my mouth. He is worried about his bullpen and giving Green an opportunity to prove himself. The problem is that it put this team in a tough situation and if anything else destroyed Green's confidence more. He doesn't have it right now. An extra batter wasn't going to change anything. Do I have a problem with him coming into the game? No, not at all. I just disagree with leaving him out there for slaughter.

I am not coming on here to just criticize the team. They have been playing awesome with an insane amount of starters out. With that said, this thread is about Green so I commented. So, again, fuckin relax.

and not being a dick at all. I’m asking a question and didn’t curse at you or insult you. Disagree with me, but leave the rest out of it.

if I am reading the standings correctly.

Pretty good considering the injuries and terrible start.

In comment 14400793 nygiants16 said:

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he has a script and he has to follow it, analytics will kill the yankees.. They do not believe in hot, so voigt could be sat tonight if it is a planned rest, it doesnt matter how good he is hitting right now...

Analytics are the reason the Yankees have still been able to win without their huge payroll advantage they enjoyed in the 90s and early 00s. So they shouldn't rely on stats and go old school? Are you Mike Francesa? Analytics have allowed them to find players who are carrying them when everyone is hurt. This isn't 1985. It ain't even 1995. Don't dumb down the Yankees.

It's not America's pastime anymore. The fans baseball does have left are very hardcore though. I guess you would compare them to foreign soccer fans. So they go overboard with everything and don't really enjoy the game anymore. The RiverAveBlues game threads were notorious with people threatening suicide if a Yankees pitcher gave up a hit. Now it's Yankees twitter that goes inane over everything.

To these fans Boone is an idiot and moron and should be fired cause of something. Last week it was Cashman should be fired even though the Yankees are winning with talent Cashman found off the scrap heap rather than big name players.

It is up to the reasonable fans left to talk them down or just ignore them and leave them to their misery.

Now really isn't the time to get on Boone.

The Yanks are 3 games over .500 and have just won 5 in a row with literally the most extensive and damaging injury list the league has seen one team endure in who the hell knows how long.

I was annoyed that Green stayed in as long as he did - I would have yanked him after the first 2 guys got on. Cessa should have been ready. Only because we've all seen how much Green is struggling right now. And this was 2 times in the last 3 games now that the team had to find a way to win in spite of a terrible RAPP late in a game.

Absolutely no issue bringing him into the game where he came in - the pen was taxed. Otto, Chapman, and Holder were all unavailable. He didn't want to use Kahnle either.

The plan last night was to piggyback German with Loaisiga if he didn't give them length, and then use Green/Cessa to piece together the rest and use Britton to close - we didn't have a ton of flexibility.

I just thought he left Greenie in too long.. but it is what it is.

Hard to blame Boone for much of anything otherwise. The guy is working with like 40% of what he was supposed to have.

the second best run differential in the AL. This is with everything that could have gone wrong, having gone wrong, and more. People are certainly entitled to their opinions, and I'm not into name-calling, but dumping on Boone and Cashman strikes me as irrational in view of the facts.

Also, I said this in another thread... but this season is really a testament to how good a GM Brian Cashman is.

To lose this many guys, and then STILL have players like Gio Urshela, Mike Tauchman, Mike Ford, Thairo Estrada, etc... come up and find ways to contribute to wins. It's impressive.

It shows you how much work they put into organizational depth and why it's so important.

Eventually, we'll need some of our big boppers back... and we're getting one back tonight (Sanchez) - but, I think if the Yanks make it all the way out of this mess, Cashman should be one of the first guys to get credit for it.

is also illustrating how not getting Machado or Harper was at least the right move in the short term.

We built depth, much to the chagrin of a lot of fans who had no clue who some of these guys were.

In comment 14401484 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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is also illustrating how not getting Machado or Harper was at least the right move in the short term. We built depth, much to the chagrin of a lot of fans who had no clue who some of these guys were.

Not sure I agree there. We could build depth and still go get a great player when available. Not mutually exclusive. If anything, the short term is where it made sense, while the Yankees are right in a the middle of a championship window. The long term ramifications of those contracts made it more dicey. But it's a moot point.

anybody complaining about Boone when we're keeping our heads above water with a lineup that'd fit better in Scranton is misguided.

In comment 14400861 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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perplexes me more is the timing of this moronic, dumbass thread. Chad Green gave up a Grand Slam, and the Yanks still won. You do realize that with a big lead, players are given more leeway, right? So by this reasoning, Gardy hitting a GS to win a game last week was the opposing manager's fault? Same shit every April. Last year we had the fucking guy talking about Cora managing circles around Boone. Where the fuck is he now?? The Yanks are winning with a AAA lineup. But a thread needed to be started about the manager. Fuck off.

Fatman -- please tone it down -- attack the post and not the poster

Despite the entire team residing on the IL. Boone was hired as an analytics guy. It’s why he is here.

Perplexing? No.

In comment 14400837 robbieballs2003 said:

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it but that isn't what this is about. Analytics aren't about what the opening post is talking about. Green didn't have shit and it was beyond obvious. He was missing almost every one of his pitches. He had no control let alone command of his pitches. When he loaded up the bases he should have been out. That's not analytics.

That’s fair but the deck isn’t exactly loaded and was next to dead at this point.

Right now Boone has no margin for error and they are winning.

Has done a great job and I was not a fan of signing him at all. There is nothing to do but praise him at this point. You can't look at the day to day moves and knock every move, it is as stupid a thing as there is. This has been done with every Yankee manager, Torre, Girardi, and now Boone. How many times it is explained that you don't know what is going on behind the scenes, there are reasons these moves are made with information we do not have. Like it was said, sometimes you have to learn about a player, so you can make a future move that is going to be needed to be made in a week, few weeks, or tomorrow. Green is not here today, is he?

New 2nd favorite player for me. Love what I've seen so far. He's got Willie's number too. I hope he sticks around for a while.

In comment 14401614 gidiefor said:

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In comment 14400861 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: perplexes me more is the timing of this moronic, dumbass thread. Chad Green gave up a Grand Slam, and the Yanks still won. You do realize that with a big lead, players are given more leeway, right? So by this reasoning, Gardy hitting a GS to win a game last week was the opposing manager's fault? Same shit every April. Last year we had the fucking guy talking about Cora managing circles around Boone. Where the fuck is he now?? The Yanks are winning with a AAA lineup. But a thread needed to be started about the manager. Fuck off. Fatman -- please tone it down -- attack the post and not the poster

No offense, but I called it a dumbass thread - I didn't say anything about the poster.

the past 5 games but haven't they been playing against teams with their own AA lineups?

In comment 14401953 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 14401614 gidiefor said: Quote: In comment 14400861 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: perplexes me more is the timing of this moronic, dumbass thread. Chad Green gave up a Grand Slam, and the Yanks still won. You do realize that with a big lead, players are given more leeway, right? So by this reasoning, Gardy hitting a GS to win a game last week was the opposing manager's fault? Same shit every April. Last year we had the fucking guy talking about Cora managing circles around Boone. Where the fuck is he now?? The Yanks are winning with a AAA lineup. But a thread needed to be started about the manager. Fuck off. Fatman -- please tone it down -- attack the post and not the poster No offense, but I called it a dumbass thread - I didn't say anything about the poster.

Fatman -- it was a little more than that -- you told him to Fuck off.

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New 2nd favorite player for me. Love what I've seen so far. He's got Willie's number too. I hope he sticks around for a while.

I was surprised he got such a good number so fast.

He impressed me last night, though... I hope there's more where that came from. Thairo had a nice spring too and I think he's been on the radar for a bit. He was discussed when Miggy first got hurt as a potential option before they decided to give Urshela a shot.

The injuries fucking suck, but it's been cool to see all of these guys get a chance and produce. All of them seem to be finding ways to contribute.

I still don't think Tyler Wade can hit MLB pitching... but a couple of the others may be able to keep it up for a bit.

In comment 14402065 arcarsenal said:

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I still don't think Tyler Wade can hit MLB pitching... but a couple of the others may be able to keep it up for a bit.

Agree on Wade, unfortunately. I haven't been staying up for the West Coast games but from the weekend games it looked like Wade was back to being overmatched at the plate. Would love to be proven wrong about that.

In comment 14402111 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14402019 gidiefor said: Quote: Fatman -- it was a little more than that -- you told him to Fuck off. prdave73 is one of the absolute worst posters here. You really have no reason to play white knight for that jackass.

When is the last time gidie showed up on a random Yankee thread? Unless he’s become suddenly curious about Aaron Boone, I’m guessing someone whined to him via email. Probably someone that shakes his head a lot...

the brand is strong.

are among the lowest forms of life on earth.

In comment 14402139 Greg from LI said:

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are among the lowest forms of life on earth.

+1

Smh smh....

Smh smh.

but we did get a complaint

your post was deleted --

I am warning you guys personal attacks are off limits