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Whenever I see Marc Ross on the NFLN I switch channels...

NYRiese : 4/24/2019 9:42 am
Just can't stand listening to him and his opinions on the draft after what he and Reese did to the Giants.

I feel better now.
I agree  
tator : 4/24/2019 9:44 am : link
1000%
I do as well  
Chip : 4/24/2019 9:45 am : link
He is an asshole
He s arrogant and seems bitter  
joeinpa : 4/24/2019 9:46 am : link
With a reported poor work ethic, how d he keep that job so long

I agree 100% as well
What is even more head scratching...  
figgy2989 : 4/24/2019 9:47 am : link
Is how does the NFL Network continue put this guy on the air? What type of track record does he have that warrants putting him on as some kind of expert?



Marc Ross  
Trainmaster : 4/24/2019 9:48 am : link
should be flipping burgers somewhere.
RE: He s arrogant and seems bitter  
ColHowPepper : 4/24/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14401083 joeinpa said:
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With a reported poor work ethic, how d he keep that job so long
Because talent obviously recognized talent!
He  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 9:49 am : link
always rubbed me the wrong way... there was an unearned arrogance about him.

Even Handley was smart enough to know to stay out of the picture after it was over. Not this clown.
I would  
cokeduplt : 4/24/2019 9:58 am : link
Who wants to watch a segment on Giants bashing by a guy who greatly contributed to their current state
Please tell me he is not going to be part of their draft coverage  
jlukes : 4/24/2019 10:00 am : link
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Why don't they ask Matt Millen what the Lions should do?  
David B. : 4/24/2019 10:00 am : link
That would be about equally valid to asking Ross about the Giants. IF HE HADN'T FLAMED OUT AT HIS JOB, HE'D STILL BE THERE.

Yeah, I can't stand him or watch him either.
Eric  
Chip : 4/24/2019 10:07 am : link
How about smug
Ross - Reese  
Archer : 4/24/2019 10:09 am : link
The issue with Ross and Reese is that they did not have a plan.

They were constantly looking for the best players without regard for position, team concept, personality, etc.

At least Gettleman has an overall image of what the team should look like. The coaches are in lockstep.
So when Gettleman drafts an offensive lineman he will fit the image of a "hog mollie". You will not be getting a fines zone blocking lineman.

The same applies to all other positions.

It appears that Ross and Reese lost sight of the bigger team picture and only focused on player.

This was never more apparent than in their selection of offensive linemen. They were a mismatch of types of players. An undersized center and left guard, an immobile LT. A lot of draft capital spent on divergent players.


RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14401134 Chip said:
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How about smug


How about putz.
+1  
Andrew in Austin : 4/24/2019 10:11 am : link
I can't stand that smug guy. Totally screwed this team up.
RE: He  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/24/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14401100 Eric from BBI said:
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always rubbed me the wrong way... there was an unearned arrogance about him.

Even Handley was smart enough to know to stay out of the picture after it was over. Not this clown.


Handley probably didn't want to be recognized too broadly at rest area bathrooms....
Archer  
ColHowPepper : 4/24/2019 10:14 am : link
think it more they both sucked at talent evaluation for the most part, and rather than function constructively as offsets, as checks, to one another's orientation toward player selection, each reenforced the other's worse traits.
right or wrong the team is currently  
Enzo : 4/24/2019 10:18 am : link
a laughingstock. As long as the team continues to lose and the GM makes "curious" moves/statements - guys like Ross will continue to get airtime.
To Reese's credit he hasn't said word one about NYG since he was fired  
FranknWeezer : 4/24/2019 10:22 am : link
He's stayed completely out of the limelight. No doubt has passed up the chance to give soundbytes on the state of the team, etc. Kudos to him in that regard.
Ross is a joke  
Justlurking : 4/24/2019 10:27 am : link
Reese may have flamed out but its complete horseshit to equate Ross and him as equals. Reese is a class act who helped build 2 championship teams. Ross is a clown who helped destroy them.
archer and col pepper  
bluetothegrave : 4/24/2019 10:28 am : link
Ill add one more to your right on evaluation, They were both not able to handle criticism, which is a terrible trait in any job.

I have no idea why sometimes guys are on TV. Why was Herm Edwards on espn for so long. The guy never added anything except bullshit coach speak. He was the most useless analyist and a horrendous..horiffic NFL head coach. All his motivational bullshit, guy couldn't coach. Yet everyone called him "coach" Now he is the figure head of a head coach at arizona st. I am surprised he is actually doing ok but he has like 14 assistants, he is more the rah rah guy and recruiter which in College def goes a long way. Marc Ross follows the same mode, a disaster of an NFL guy. Anyone could have done a better job then that guy. He's handsome and speaks well. I guess that will get you on the NFL Network even though you clearly sucked at your job. What a mess Gettlemen and co inherited.

I never ever liked ross, i did like reese early on. I thought we had a smart, hard working, flexible Gm. I was so so so very wrong.
Hopefully  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/24/2019 10:30 am : link
S. O'Hara put him in his place again.
When Carl Banks calls you out,  
morrison40 : 4/24/2019 10:30 am : link
Like He did to Ross...Nuff Said !
RE: What is even more head scratching...  
Jim Bur(n)t : 4/24/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14401089 figgy2989 said:
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Is how does the NFL Network continue put this guy on the air? What type of track record does he have that warrants putting him on as some kind of expert?




Agree - Labeling him as a Front Office Expert is just fraudulent.
Watched a little last night  
Southern Man : 4/24/2019 10:34 am : link
Bugs me that the on-screen resume for Ross mentions 2 SB championships. On the other hand, I found James Jones to be really good. In the session I watched Ross thought it would be a fine idea to have both Murray and Rosen on the Cards, Jones shook his head, baffled, and explained exactly why that would be a terrible idea.
FatMan in Charlotte  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 10:35 am : link
At the time, those Handley years seemed dreadful. Because his direct comparison was Parcells. But given that Parcells and Belichick both left, and Handley was left with a QB controversy, I wonder if we are sometimes a bit too hard on the guy.

Simms used to defend him (I don't know if he still does). But once that locker room turned on him (especially the defense), it was over.

Handley wasn't supposed to be the head coach. In a way, he's a tragic figure.
It doesn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/24/2019 10:36 am : link
take a lot to get on the NFLN.

You have former players who can barely form cogent sentences being trotted out each week.

Louis Riddick has been used as an NFL insider and executive.

The network is there to entertain - not have some guy give mumbly GM speak.
Eric..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/24/2019 10:37 am : link
I agree on Handley. I was just getting a jab in on the rumored rest area shenanigans he reportedly partook/partakes in
RE: Eric..  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14401247 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I agree on Handley. I was just getting a jab in on the rumored rest area shenanigans he reportedly partook/partakes in


I know you were, but I just wanted to get that out there. If you ask me, there have been some more cringe-worthy figures in NYG history. Ross is one of them.
Ross is the ultimate culprit IMO  
Greg from LI : 4/24/2019 10:41 am : link
The draft went to hell when he took over college scouting. Reese bears the responsibility because Ross worked for him, but I think Jerry's a very good scout. Ross is a terrible scout.
RE: What is even more head scratching...  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/24/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14401089 figgy2989 said:
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Is how does the NFL Network continue put this guy on the air? What type of track record does he have that warrants putting him on as some kind of expert?




He horrible at his job for both teams he worked for. Finally gets justifiably fired and the NFL Network Horse him why? For all the shit and jokes about Quinn having pics of Mara how the fuck does this asshole Keep getting jobs?
And I agree...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/24/2019 10:43 am : link
on Ross by all counts. Where Reese had at least a track record of success to point to, Ross never could make that same claim. When he was elevated to a position of influence, that was at the time the team started to sharply decline.
RE: Ross is the ultimate culprit IMO  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14401262 Greg from LI said:
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The draft went to hell when he took over college scouting. Reese bears the responsibility because Ross worked for him, but I think Jerry's a very good scout. Ross is a terrible scout.


He didn't do well wherever he went. Yet for some reason, he thought he was some super-scout.
RE: When Carl Banks calls you out,  
mfsd : 4/24/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14401218 morrison40 said:
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Like He did to Ross...Nuff Said !


I loved that. Banks is the man. Ross is a failure.
Ross is such an asshole  
Jay on the Island : 4/24/2019 10:45 am : link
I put him at the top of the list for biggest embarrassments ahead of Handley and McAdoo. Ross had the audacity to go on television last year and criticize the Giants for the terrible state of the franchise. The fucking guy who was the architect in it's downfall was criticizing the state of the team. I can't stand people with an undeserved sense of accomplishment.

I genuinely wonder what might have been had Reese never hired Ross. There is a good chance that Reese would still be the GM had he never hired Ross or fired him years ago.
I’ve suspected part of the reason Gettleman has been outspoken  
mfsd : 4/24/2019 10:46 am : link
about cleaning house/changing culture is he’s always been a little raw about the Giants going with the Reese/Ross regime over DG in 2007. There’s no doubt it’s a little personal for DG now
God sorry. Cracked iPhone  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/24/2019 10:46 am : link
Screen. Typo city
RE: And I agree...  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/24/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14401266 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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on Ross by all counts. Where Reese had at least a track record of success to point to, Ross never could make that same claim. When he was elevated to a position of influence, that was at the time the team started to sharply decline.


What puzzled me was why Reese kept Ross? Reese as ykunsaybwas very good at prior position. What happened Over the years was on him for keeping that asshole
I couldn't stand that smug, smirking, son-of-a-bitch...  
Klaatu : 4/24/2019 10:51 am : link
And his "I'm smarter than everyone else" attitude. What a disgrace.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/24/2019 10:53 am : link
I think BBI's aggregate dislike and downright hatred of Marc Ross might be one of the most unifying things we have on this entire board.
Eric....  
dep026 : 4/24/2019 10:54 am : link
In your next collection..... can we garner enough money to send him flowers everyday for a year to remind him or the worst pick in Giants history?
Didn't Ross suck in Buffalo too?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/24/2019 10:55 am : link
It's not like he was just bad here.
I had the same reaction yesterday...  
bw in dc : 4/24/2019 10:57 am : link
when I saw him on NFLN.

He’s unbearable.
I cannot stand Marc Ross  
sjnyfan : 4/24/2019 10:59 am : link
This guy ruined one franchise after the other through the draft, three to be exact, but none longer than the Giants where he caused the most damage.

Reese's biggest flaw was loyalty to a fault. Exhibit A was Ross. I feel like where Reese got himself in trouble was always covering for Ross's drafts with overpaying in free agency and finding stopgaps in other positions we couldn't afford because of the high price tags to some of those signings. It ruined Eli's prime. Overall I like Reese and I hope he works in the league again. I still think he would be great as someone's director of college scouting. But if I ever saw Marc Ross in public I may become internet famous.
RE: .  
ron mexico : 4/24/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14401307 arcarsenal said:
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I think BBI's aggregate dislike and downright hatred of Marc Ross might be one of the most unifying things we have on this entire board.


Imagine in Weber made an "I hate Marc Ross" version of their Grills?

RE: .  
figgy2989 : 4/24/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14401307 arcarsenal said:
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I think BBI's aggregate dislike and downright hatred of Marc Ross might be one of the most unifying things we have on this entire board.


arc, you ain't kidding. There are rarely things on BBI Giants related that everyone can get behind. I have never seen one post or thread saying anything positive about Ross.
ross also sucked with  
japanhead : 4/24/2019 11:00 am : link
the eagles. guy has ruined teams wherever he's gone..
Marc Ross and his idiotic  
BBelle21 : 4/24/2019 11:07 am : link
“basketball on grass” philosophy enabled that clown McAdoo to get hired to “modernize” the Giants. Glad those days are over. For Carl Banks to call out Ross the way he did speaks volumes.

If Gettleman, Shurmur and Eli win a SB for the Giants I wanna see Marc Ross on NFLN the morning after. Prick.
i feel bad reese got so much slack  
Platos : 4/24/2019 11:19 am : link
in the end he could've ditched Ross but who knows. maybe they were old pals.

i think Ross took advantage of Reese's love for small school prospects and guys with long and hard to pronounce african names...
RE: Didn't Ross suck in Buffalo too?  
Jay on the Island : 4/24/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14401314 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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It's not like he was just bad here.

Yes he came over from Buffalo. During his time there Buffalo was among the worst drafting teams in football with Ross at the helm. What Reese saw in this guy is beyond me.
RE: RE: And I agree...  
Greg from LI : 4/24/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14401289 LauderdaleMatty said:
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What puzzled me was why Reese kept Ross? Reese as ykunsaybwas very good at prior position. What happened Over the years was on him for keeping that asshole


That's the million dollar question. I have no idea what Reese saw in Ross in the first place, nor do I know why he kept Ross on long after it became apparent that Ross was utterly incompetent.
RE: Ross - Reese  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/24/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14401138 Archer said:
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The issue with Ross and Reese is that they did not have a plan.

They were constantly looking for the best players without regard for position, team concept, personality, etc.

At least Gettleman has an overall image of what the team should look like. The coaches are in lockstep.
So when Gettleman drafts an offensive lineman he will fit the image of a "hog mollie". You will not be getting a fines zone blocking lineman.

The same applies to all other positions.

It appears that Ross and Reese lost sight of the bigger team picture and only focused on player.

This was never more apparent than in their selection of offensive linemen. They were a mismatch of types of players. An undersized center and left guard, an immobile LT. A lot of draft capital spent on divergent players.


Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he. Proverbs 29:18

Sickened me to see Mara and Tisch throw the coaches under the bus meanwhile this smug asshole and the FO were untouched.
I laugh when the hosts on those shows  
Mr. Bungle : 4/24/2019 11:41 am : link
refer to Ross as an expert or imply that he has expertise. Just because you had a job doing something, it doesn't mean you're an expert in that something. Especially after you got fired for sucking so badly at that something.
RE: archer and col pepper  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/24/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14401209 bluetothegrave said:
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Ill add one more to your right on evaluation, They were both not able to handle criticism, which is a terrible trait in any job.

I have no idea why sometimes guys are on TV. Why was Herm Edwards on espn for so long. The guy never added anything except bullshit coach speak. He was the most useless analyist and a horrendous..horiffic NFL head coach. All his motivational bullshit, guy couldn't coach. Yet everyone called him "coach" Now he is the figure head of a head coach at arizona st. I am surprised he is actually doing ok but he has like 14 assistants, he is more the rah rah guy and recruiter which in College def goes a long way. Marc Ross follows the same mode, a disaster of an NFL guy. Anyone could have done a better job then that guy. He's handsome and speaks well. I guess that will get you on the NFL Network even though you clearly sucked at your job. What a mess Gettlemen and co inherited.

I never ever liked ross, i did like reese early on. I thought we had a smart, hard working, flexible Gm. I was so so so very wrong.

Dude is a huge loudmouth who loves to here himself talk, obviously the reason other teams were so zoned in on jumping us in the draft. Belongs on ESPN.
figgy2989  
arniefez : 4/24/2019 11:50 am : link
That's your head scratcher how/why the NFLN network hired him?

Maybe it was the 11 years he worked for the Mara's? 11 years. Last 5 years VP of Player Evaluation.

SR VP Player Evaluation is Chris Mara. Enough said.

Ross May be a failure  
Les in TO : 4/24/2019 11:51 am : link
but he was one of only 4 GM candidates interviewed by Mara and Accorsi and has been interviewed for six other GM positions. So people whose opinions count obviously feel he’s not a complete reject
He also..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/24/2019 11:53 am : link
fulfills the Rooney Rule requirement.

Which is exactly why the Rooney Rule is archaic and should be scrapped.
RE: figgy2989  
figgy2989 : 4/24/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14401472 arniefez said:
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That's your head scratcher how/why the NFLN network hired him?

Maybe it was the 11 years he worked for the Mara's? 11 years. Last 5 years VP of Player Evaluation.

SR VP Player Evaluation is Chris Mara. Enough said.


Arnie, unsure what that actually means. Having a job title and being terrible at that job results in getting a gig on the NFL Network?
RE: He also..  
Les in TO : 4/24/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14401485 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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fulfills the Rooney Rule requirement.

Which is exactly why the Rooney Rule is archaic and should be scrapped.
Whether the Rooney Rule should be scrapped is debatable though hopefully in the future it won’t be necessary. Mara also interviewed Riddick who also fulfills the Rooney Rule so his interview of Ross was not necessarily a compliance requirement.
RE: Ross May be a failure  
Jay on the Island : 4/24/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14401477 Les in TO said:
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but he was one of only 4 GM candidates interviewed by Mara and Accorsi and has been interviewed for six other GM positions. So people whose opinions count obviously feel he’s not a complete reject

He is only interviewed to comply with the Rooney rule. At least one franchise interviewed him this offseason but it was confirmed that it was strictly to comply with the Rooney rule. There is a reason he is out of the NFL.
RE: Ross May be a failure  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/24/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14401477 Les in TO said:
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but he was one of only 4 GM candidates interviewed by Mara and Accorsi and has been interviewed for six other GM positions. So people whose opinions count obviously feel he’s not a complete reject


Mara hired McAdoo without a real search. And has his job due to The D A lottery. Let’s not confuse inheriting a business to great acumen or skill.

How many other teams has he interviewed for? Because I’d suggest if he was such a respected talent we wouldn’t be posting about him being on the NFL network.

This same crap was said about McAdoo. That he would be back coaching ASAP. Mara thinking a guy is a good candidate is pretty much meaningless after much of his tenure running the show as the team has shit the bed due to many of his choices.
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