Is how does the NFL Network continue put this guy on the air? What type of track record does he have that warrants putting him on as some kind of expert?
The issue with Ross and Reese is that they did not have a plan.
They were constantly looking for the best players without regard for position, team concept, personality, etc.
At least Gettleman has an overall image of what the team should look like. The coaches are in lockstep.
So when Gettleman drafts an offensive lineman he will fit the image of a "hog mollie". You will not be getting a fines zone blocking lineman.
The same applies to all other positions.
It appears that Ross and Reese lost sight of the bigger team picture and only focused on player.
This was never more apparent than in their selection of offensive linemen. They were a mismatch of types of players. An undersized center and left guard, an immobile LT. A lot of draft capital spent on divergent players.
think it more they both sucked at talent evaluation for the most part, and rather than function constructively as offsets, as checks, to one another's orientation toward player selection, each reenforced the other's worse traits.
He's stayed completely out of the limelight. No doubt has passed up the chance to give soundbytes on the state of the team, etc. Kudos to him in that regard.
Reese may have flamed out but its complete horseshit to equate Ross and him as equals. Reese is a class act who helped build 2 championship teams. Ross is a clown who helped destroy them.
Ill add one more to your right on evaluation, They were both not able to handle criticism, which is a terrible trait in any job.
I have no idea why sometimes guys are on TV. Why was Herm Edwards on espn for so long. The guy never added anything except bullshit coach speak. He was the most useless analyist and a horrendous..horiffic NFL head coach. All his motivational bullshit, guy couldn't coach. Yet everyone called him "coach" Now he is the figure head of a head coach at arizona st. I am surprised he is actually doing ok but he has like 14 assistants, he is more the rah rah guy and recruiter which in College def goes a long way. Marc Ross follows the same mode, a disaster of an NFL guy. Anyone could have done a better job then that guy. He's handsome and speaks well. I guess that will get you on the NFL Network even though you clearly sucked at your job. What a mess Gettlemen and co inherited.
I never ever liked ross, i did like reese early on. I thought we had a smart, hard working, flexible Gm. I was so so so very wrong.
Is how does the NFL Network continue put this guy on the air? What type of track record does he have that warrants putting him on as some kind of expert?
Agree - Labeling him as a Front Office Expert is just fraudulent.
Bugs me that the on-screen resume for Ross mentions 2 SB championships. On the other hand, I found James Jones to be really good. In the session I watched Ross thought it would be a fine idea to have both Murray and Rosen on the Cards, Jones shook his head, baffled, and explained exactly why that would be a terrible idea.
At the time, those Handley years seemed dreadful. Because his direct comparison was Parcells. But given that Parcells and Belichick both left, and Handley was left with a QB controversy, I wonder if we are sometimes a bit too hard on the guy.
Simms used to defend him (I don't know if he still does). But once that locker room turned on him (especially the defense), it was over.
Handley wasn't supposed to be the head coach. In a way, he's a tragic figure.
I agree on Handley. I was just getting a jab in on the rumored rest area shenanigans he reportedly partook/partakes in
I know you were, but I just wanted to get that out there. If you ask me, there have been some more cringe-worthy figures in NYG history. Ross is one of them.
The draft went to hell when he took over college scouting. Reese bears the responsibility because Ross worked for him, but I think Jerry's a very good scout. Ross is a terrible scout.
Is how does the NFL Network continue put this guy on the air? What type of track record does he have that warrants putting him on as some kind of expert?
He horrible at his job for both teams he worked for. Finally gets justifiably fired and the NFL Network Horse him why? For all the shit and jokes about Quinn having pics of Mara how the fuck does this asshole Keep getting jobs?
on Ross by all counts. Where Reese had at least a track record of success to point to, Ross never could make that same claim. When he was elevated to a position of influence, that was at the time the team started to sharply decline.
The draft went to hell when he took over college scouting. Reese bears the responsibility because Ross worked for him, but I think Jerry's a very good scout. Ross is a terrible scout.
He didn't do well wherever he went. Yet for some reason, he thought he was some super-scout.
I put him at the top of the list for biggest embarrassments ahead of Handley and McAdoo. Ross had the audacity to go on television last year and criticize the Giants for the terrible state of the franchise. The fucking guy who was the architect in it's downfall was criticizing the state of the team. I can't stand people with an undeserved sense of accomplishment.
I genuinely wonder what might have been had Reese never hired Ross. There is a good chance that Reese would still be the GM had he never hired Ross or fired him years ago.
I’ve suspected part of the reason Gettleman has been outspoken Â
about cleaning house/changing culture is he’s always been a little raw about the Giants going with the Reese/Ross regime over DG in 2007. There’s no doubt it’s a little personal for DG now
on Ross by all counts. Where Reese had at least a track record of success to point to, Ross never could make that same claim. When he was elevated to a position of influence, that was at the time the team started to sharply decline.
What puzzled me was why Reese kept Ross? Reese as ykunsaybwas very good at prior position. What happened Over the years was on him for keeping that asshole
I couldn't stand that smug, smirking, son-of-a-bitch... Â
This guy ruined one franchise after the other through the draft, three to be exact, but none longer than the Giants where he caused the most damage.
Reese's biggest flaw was loyalty to a fault. Exhibit A was Ross. I feel like where Reese got himself in trouble was always covering for Ross's drafts with overpaying in free agency and finding stopgaps in other positions we couldn't afford because of the high price tags to some of those signings. It ruined Eli's prime. Overall I like Reese and I hope he works in the league again. I still think he would be great as someone's director of college scouting. But if I ever saw Marc Ross in public I may become internet famous.
I think BBI's aggregate dislike and downright hatred of Marc Ross might be one of the most unifying things we have on this entire board.
arc, you ain't kidding. There are rarely things on BBI Giants related that everyone can get behind. I have never seen one post or thread saying anything positive about Ross.
“basketball on grass” philosophy enabled that clown McAdoo to get hired to “modernize” the Giants. Glad those days are over. For Carl Banks to call out Ross the way he did speaks volumes.
If Gettleman, Shurmur and Eli win a SB for the Giants I wanna see Marc Ross on NFLN the morning after. Prick.
Yes he came over from Buffalo. During his time there Buffalo was among the worst drafting teams in football with Ross at the helm. What Reese saw in this guy is beyond me.
What puzzled me was why Reese kept Ross? Reese as ykunsaybwas very good at prior position. What happened Over the years was on him for keeping that asshole
That's the million dollar question. I have no idea what Reese saw in Ross in the first place, nor do I know why he kept Ross on long after it became apparent that Ross was utterly incompetent.
The issue with Ross and Reese is that they did not have a plan.
They were constantly looking for the best players without regard for position, team concept, personality, etc.
At least Gettleman has an overall image of what the team should look like. The coaches are in lockstep.
So when Gettleman drafts an offensive lineman he will fit the image of a "hog mollie". You will not be getting a fines zone blocking lineman.
The same applies to all other positions.
It appears that Ross and Reese lost sight of the bigger team picture and only focused on player.
This was never more apparent than in their selection of offensive linemen. They were a mismatch of types of players. An undersized center and left guard, an immobile LT. A lot of draft capital spent on divergent players.
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he. Proverbs 29:18
Sickened me to see Mara and Tisch throw the coaches under the bus meanwhile this smug asshole and the FO were untouched.
refer to Ross as an expert or imply that he has expertise. Just because you had a job doing something, it doesn't mean you're an expert in that something. Especially after you got fired for sucking so badly at that something.
Ill add one more to your right on evaluation, They were both not able to handle criticism, which is a terrible trait in any job.
I have no idea why sometimes guys are on TV. Why was Herm Edwards on espn for so long. The guy never added anything except bullshit coach speak. He was the most useless analyist and a horrendous..horiffic NFL head coach. All his motivational bullshit, guy couldn't coach. Yet everyone called him "coach" Now he is the figure head of a head coach at arizona st. I am surprised he is actually doing ok but he has like 14 assistants, he is more the rah rah guy and recruiter which in College def goes a long way. Marc Ross follows the same mode, a disaster of an NFL guy. Anyone could have done a better job then that guy. He's handsome and speaks well. I guess that will get you on the NFL Network even though you clearly sucked at your job. What a mess Gettlemen and co inherited.
I never ever liked ross, i did like reese early on. I thought we had a smart, hard working, flexible Gm. I was so so so very wrong.
Dude is a huge loudmouth who loves to here himself talk, obviously the reason other teams were so zoned in on jumping us in the draft. Belongs on ESPN.
but he was one of only 4 GM candidates interviewed by Mara and Accorsi and has been interviewed for six other GM positions. So people whose opinions count obviously feel he’s not a complete reject
Which is exactly why the Rooney Rule is archaic and should be scrapped.
Whether the Rooney Rule should be scrapped is debatable though hopefully in the future it won’t be necessary. Mara also interviewed Riddick who also fulfills the Rooney Rule so his interview of Ross was not necessarily a compliance requirement.
but he was one of only 4 GM candidates interviewed by Mara and Accorsi and has been interviewed for six other GM positions. So people whose opinions count obviously feel he’s not a complete reject
He is only interviewed to comply with the Rooney rule. At least one franchise interviewed him this offseason but it was confirmed that it was strictly to comply with the Rooney rule. There is a reason he is out of the NFL.
but he was one of only 4 GM candidates interviewed by Mara and Accorsi and has been interviewed for six other GM positions. So people whose opinions count obviously feel he’s not a complete reject
Mara hired McAdoo without a real search. And has his job due to The D A lottery. Let’s not confuse inheriting a business to great acumen or skill.
How many other teams has he interviewed for? Because I’d suggest if he was such a respected talent we wouldn’t be posting about him being on the NFL network.
This same crap was said about McAdoo. That he would be back coaching ASAP. Mara thinking a guy is a good candidate is pretty much meaningless after much of his tenure running the show as the team has shit the bed due to many of his choices.
I agree 100% as well
Even Handley was smart enough to know to stay out of the picture after it was over. Not this clown.
Yeah, I can't stand him or watch him either.
They were constantly looking for the best players without regard for position, team concept, personality, etc.
At least Gettleman has an overall image of what the team should look like. The coaches are in lockstep.
So when Gettleman drafts an offensive lineman he will fit the image of a "hog mollie". You will not be getting a fines zone blocking lineman.
The same applies to all other positions.
It appears that Ross and Reese lost sight of the bigger team picture and only focused on player.
This was never more apparent than in their selection of offensive linemen. They were a mismatch of types of players. An undersized center and left guard, an immobile LT. A lot of draft capital spent on divergent players.
How about putz.
Even Handley was smart enough to know to stay out of the picture after it was over. Not this clown.
Handley probably didn't want to be recognized too broadly at rest area bathrooms....
I have no idea why sometimes guys are on TV. Why was Herm Edwards on espn for so long. The guy never added anything except bullshit coach speak. He was the most useless analyist and a horrendous..horiffic NFL head coach. All his motivational bullshit, guy couldn't coach. Yet everyone called him "coach" Now he is the figure head of a head coach at arizona st. I am surprised he is actually doing ok but he has like 14 assistants, he is more the rah rah guy and recruiter which in College def goes a long way. Marc Ross follows the same mode, a disaster of an NFL guy. Anyone could have done a better job then that guy. He's handsome and speaks well. I guess that will get you on the NFL Network even though you clearly sucked at your job. What a mess Gettlemen and co inherited.
I never ever liked ross, i did like reese early on. I thought we had a smart, hard working, flexible Gm. I was so so so very wrong.
Agree - Labeling him as a Front Office Expert is just fraudulent.
Simms used to defend him (I don't know if he still does). But once that locker room turned on him (especially the defense), it was over.
Handley wasn't supposed to be the head coach. In a way, he's a tragic figure.
You have former players who can barely form cogent sentences being trotted out each week.
Louis Riddick has been used as an NFL insider and executive.
The network is there to entertain - not have some guy give mumbly GM speak.
I know you were, but I just wanted to get that out there. If you ask me, there have been some more cringe-worthy figures in NYG history. Ross is one of them.
He horrible at his job for both teams he worked for. Finally gets justifiably fired and the NFL Network Horse him why? For all the shit and jokes about Quinn having pics of Mara how the fuck does this asshole Keep getting jobs?
He didn't do well wherever he went. Yet for some reason, he thought he was some super-scout.
I loved that. Banks is the man. Ross is a failure.
I genuinely wonder what might have been had Reese never hired Ross. There is a good chance that Reese would still be the GM had he never hired Ross or fired him years ago.
What puzzled me was why Reese kept Ross? Reese as ykunsaybwas very good at prior position. What happened Over the years was on him for keeping that asshole
He’s unbearable.
Reese's biggest flaw was loyalty to a fault. Exhibit A was Ross. I feel like where Reese got himself in trouble was always covering for Ross's drafts with overpaying in free agency and finding stopgaps in other positions we couldn't afford because of the high price tags to some of those signings. It ruined Eli's prime. Overall I like Reese and I hope he works in the league again. I still think he would be great as someone's director of college scouting. But if I ever saw Marc Ross in public I may become internet famous.
Imagine in Weber made an "I hate Marc Ross" version of their Grills?
arc, you ain't kidding. There are rarely things on BBI Giants related that everyone can get behind. I have never seen one post or thread saying anything positive about Ross.
If Gettleman, Shurmur and Eli win a SB for the Giants I wanna see Marc Ross on NFLN the morning after. Prick.
i think Ross took advantage of Reese's love for small school prospects and guys with long and hard to pronounce african names...
Yes he came over from Buffalo. During his time there Buffalo was among the worst drafting teams in football with Ross at the helm. What Reese saw in this guy is beyond me.
That's the million dollar question. I have no idea what Reese saw in Ross in the first place, nor do I know why he kept Ross on long after it became apparent that Ross was utterly incompetent.
They were constantly looking for the best players without regard for position, team concept, personality, etc.
At least Gettleman has an overall image of what the team should look like. The coaches are in lockstep.
So when Gettleman drafts an offensive lineman he will fit the image of a "hog mollie". You will not be getting a fines zone blocking lineman.
The same applies to all other positions.
It appears that Ross and Reese lost sight of the bigger team picture and only focused on player.
This was never more apparent than in their selection of offensive linemen. They were a mismatch of types of players. An undersized center and left guard, an immobile LT. A lot of draft capital spent on divergent players.
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he. Proverbs 29:18
Sickened me to see Mara and Tisch throw the coaches under the bus meanwhile this smug asshole and the FO were untouched.
I have no idea why sometimes guys are on TV. Why was Herm Edwards on espn for so long. The guy never added anything except bullshit coach speak. He was the most useless analyist and a horrendous..horiffic NFL head coach. All his motivational bullshit, guy couldn't coach. Yet everyone called him "coach" Now he is the figure head of a head coach at arizona st. I am surprised he is actually doing ok but he has like 14 assistants, he is more the rah rah guy and recruiter which in College def goes a long way. Marc Ross follows the same mode, a disaster of an NFL guy. Anyone could have done a better job then that guy. He's handsome and speaks well. I guess that will get you on the NFL Network even though you clearly sucked at your job. What a mess Gettlemen and co inherited.
I never ever liked ross, i did like reese early on. I thought we had a smart, hard working, flexible Gm. I was so so so very wrong.
Dude is a huge loudmouth who loves to here himself talk, obviously the reason other teams were so zoned in on jumping us in the draft. Belongs on ESPN.
Maybe it was the 11 years he worked for the Mara's? 11 years. Last 5 years VP of Player Evaluation.
SR VP Player Evaluation is Chris Mara. Enough said.
Which is exactly why the Rooney Rule is archaic and should be scrapped.
Maybe it was the 11 years he worked for the Mara's? 11 years. Last 5 years VP of Player Evaluation.
SR VP Player Evaluation is Chris Mara. Enough said.
Arnie, unsure what that actually means. Having a job title and being terrible at that job results in getting a gig on the NFL Network?
Which is exactly why the Rooney Rule is archaic and should be scrapped.
He is only interviewed to comply with the Rooney rule. At least one franchise interviewed him this offseason but it was confirmed that it was strictly to comply with the Rooney rule. There is a reason he is out of the NFL.
Mara hired McAdoo without a real search. And has his job due to The D A lottery. Let’s not confuse inheriting a business to great acumen or skill.
How many other teams has he interviewed for? Because I’d suggest if he was such a respected talent we wouldn’t be posting about him being on the NFL network.
This same crap was said about McAdoo. That he would be back coaching ASAP. Mara thinking a guy is a good candidate is pretty much meaningless after much of his tenure running the show as the team has shit the bed due to many of his choices.