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Britt in VA : 4/24/2019 10:52 am
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The #Steelers and QB Ben Roethlisberger have made significant progress on a contract extension that will make him, once again, one of the highest paid players, source say. The two sides are in the final stages and a deal could be announced as soon as today.


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The #Steelers have finalized a 2-year extension for QB Ben Roethlisberger, sources say. He now has 3 years total on his deal and Pittsburgh beats their deadline of the draft.
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RE: big ben  
GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 7:47 am : link
In comment 14403282 giantfan2000 said:
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always wished we had drafted Big Ben instead of Eli

better QB definitely and we would not have given up anything to draft him that year ..


Glad someone else can acknowledge reality ... Ben is better, doesst mean Eli wasn’t great too ... but its really not even a discussion for anyone other than Giants fans. I’m sure the Eli brigade will be out in full force after their AM coffee

(I love Eli and still think he can play, FYI)
RE: RE: So basically Roethlisberger gets 45 million for 2019 alone.  
Diver_Down : 4/25/2019 7:48 am : link
In comment 14403262 ron mexico said:
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No, signing bonus gets spread out


Ron, he is getting $45M in cash for 2019. The cap hit for the SB is spread out. But the signing bonus is still paid in 2019. Add on the $5M roster bonus already paid plus the $2.5M salary and Ben's cash earnings for 2019 will be $45M.
Big Ben only threw a lot of interceptions because  
Jimmy Googs : 4/25/2019 7:50 am : link
his receivers ran the wrong routes on a bunch of plays.

You know the story...
RE: Big Ben only threw a lot of interceptions because  
Diver_Down : 4/25/2019 7:52 am : link
In comment 14403292 Jimmy Googs said:
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his receivers ran the wrong routes on a bunch of plays.

You know the story...


Well, that and playing Jax.
RE: Big Ben only threw a lot of interceptions because  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 7:53 am : link
In comment 14403292 Jimmy Googs said:
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his receivers ran the wrong routes on a bunch of plays.

You know the story...


Do you provide anything to this site other than stupid shit? It wasn’t funny the first time or 800 tries later.

Christ, there’s days where you make Radar seem like a quality poster.
RE: RE: big ben  
Scuzzlebutt : 4/25/2019 7:53 am : link
In comment 14403285 GothamGiants said:
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In comment 14403282 giantfan2000 said:


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always wished we had drafted Big Ben instead of Eli

better QB definitely and we would not have given up anything to draft him that year ..



Glad someone else can acknowledge reality ... Ben is better, doesst mean Eli wasn’t great too ... but its really not even a discussion for anyone other than Giants fans. I’m sure the Eli brigade will be out in full force after their AM coffee

(I love Eli and still think he can play, FYI)


You guys are delusional. Football is a team game. Flip flop Eli and Ben and you would be saying the same about Eli. Their career numbers are very similar and Ben has had a Mich better supporting cast.

Also - Ben is an asshole who would have been torn to shreds by the N.Y. media.
RE: RE: RE: So basically Roethlisberger gets 45 million for 2019 alone.  
ron mexico : 4/25/2019 7:54 am : link
In comment 14403288 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14403210 Britt in VA said:


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No, signing bonus gets spread out



Ron, he is getting $45M in cash for 2019. The cap hit for the SB is spread out. But the signing bonus is still paid in 2019. Add on the $5M roster bonus already paid plus the $2.5M salary and Ben's cash earnings for 2019 will be $45M.


I was responding to the "talk about a huge cap hit" comment.

Players always get a lot of cash up front in deals like this. Cap hit will be normal.
Easy big guy...  
Jimmy Googs : 4/25/2019 7:56 am : link
don't get too big for your britches. The posts above portraying Ben as average are way off base.

He may not be worth that guaranteed money but surely an extension and a lot of bucks were coming his way...
RE: Easy big guy...  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 7:58 am : link
In comment 14403308 Jimmy Googs said:
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don't get too big for your britches. The posts above portraying Ben as average are way off base.

He may not be worth that guaranteed money but surely an extension and a lot of bucks were coming his way...


He’s more average than ever. His mobility is very limited now. It doesn’t means he has been average his career.

But he’s not the QB now that most make him out to be.
Do you provide anything to this site other than directly or indirectly  
Jimmy Googs : 4/25/2019 8:04 am : link
trying to prop up Eli?

Ben hasn't been nor is an average QB. Put down your crystal ball as to what will happen this year unless you want to explain how you are better at evaluating QBs than the Steelers evaluators...
It’s interesting  
ajr2456 : 4/25/2019 8:06 am : link
Some who stomp their feet and say Eli can still be a winning QB in the league are calling Ben a middle of the road QB.
RE: Do you provide anything to this site other than directly or indirectly  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:08 am : link
In comment 14403335 Jimmy Googs said:
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trying to prop up Eli?

Ben hasn't been nor is an average QB. Put down your crystal ball as to what will happen this year unless you want to explain how you are better at evaluating QBs than the Steelers evaluators...


Well let’s look at stats since everyone at BBI loves to do...

Ben and Eli had the same YPA
Eli has a lower INT %
Ben has a higher TD%

Difference was Ben threw a shit more than eli last year. However most of Bens stats were pretty much middle of the road as far as his peer. That’s throwing to 2 stud WRs and having a pro bowl RB.

So again, color me unimpressed. But again whenever you have a chance to shit on Eli - well you know the story...
RE: RE: Easy big guy...  
figgy2989 : 4/25/2019 8:09 am : link
In comment 14403315 dep026 said:
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He’s more average than ever. His mobility is very limited now. It doesn’t means he has been average his career.

But he’s not the QB now that most make him out to be.


dep, I know you like to shit on every QB in the league not named Eli, but come on. Coming off a 5,000 yard 34TD season is more average now than ever?
RE: It’s interesting  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:09 am : link
In comment 14403343 ajr2456 said:
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Some who stomp their feet and say Eli can still be a winning QB in the league are calling Ben a middle of the road QB.


You can be a middle of the road QB and win with elite talent around you. Obviously Ben can’t since he’s had elite talent around him for years and still didn’t win, right??
RE: RE: RE: Easy big guy...  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:10 am : link
In comment 14403347 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 14403315 dep026 said:


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He’s more average than ever. His mobility is very limited now. It doesn’t means he has been average his career.

But he’s not the QB now that most make him out to be.



dep, I know you like to shit on every QB in the league not named Eli, but come on. Coming off a 5,000 yard 34TD season is more average now than ever?


The more you throw, the more you pile on stats, right?

And I don’t shit on every QB. That’s just bullshit. I give high praise to QBs who carry their teams.
dep  
figgy2989 : 4/25/2019 8:11 am : link
I showed it above regarding the percentage stats, they don't tell the whole story. Jameis Winston had a higher TD percentage per throw compared to Eli, does that make him a better QB?
Your devotion to Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 4/25/2019 8:12 am : link
blinds you.

Roll your eyes all you want at the cost of this extension, but Big Ben has not been nor is an average QB...
RE: dep  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:12 am : link
In comment 14403353 figgy2989 said:
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I showed it above regarding the percentage stats, they don't tell the whole story. Jameis Winston had a higher TD percentage per throw compared to Eli, does that make him a better QB?


And I showed how if Eli threw as much as Ben did how comparable their stats would be.
RE: RE: It’s interesting  
ajr2456 : 4/25/2019 8:13 am : link
In comment 14403348 dep026 said:
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In comment 14403343 ajr2456 said:


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Some who stomp their feet and say Eli can still be a winning QB in the league are calling Ben a middle of the road QB.



You can be a middle of the road QB and win with elite talent around you. Obviously Ben can’t since he’s had elite talent around him for years and still didn’t win, right??


The Steelers have made the playoffs 6 of the last 9 years and haven’t had a losing season since 2003.

Maybe Ben threw more last year because he’s the better QB and the Steelers had more faith in him throwing the football.

Not all stats are created equal.
RE: RE: dep  
figgy2989 : 4/25/2019 8:14 am : link
In comment 14403356 dep026 said:
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In comment 14403353 figgy2989 said:


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I showed it above regarding the percentage stats, they don't tell the whole story. Jameis Winston had a higher TD percentage per throw compared to Eli, does that make him a better QB?



And I showed how if Eli threw as much as Ben did how comparable their stats would be.


Right, and if Winston threw as much as Eli, his stats would be similar. See, we can play this game all day. That is exactly what percentages are.
Ben's ranks amongst peers  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:16 am : link
Completion percentage - 12th
TD% - 18th
INT% - 19th
YPA - 15th
AY/A - 14th
YPC - 16th


Hmmmm.... But I am sure people are going to tell me I am wrong.
RE: Ben's ranks amongst peers  
ajr2456 : 4/25/2019 8:17 am : link
In comment 14403360 dep026 said:
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Completion percentage - 12th
TD% - 18th
INT% - 19th
YPA - 15th
AY/A - 14th
YPC - 16th


Hmmmm.... But I am sure people are going to tell me I am wrong.


Now do Eli’s.
Its also  
ajr2456 : 4/25/2019 8:17 am : link
Funny that air yards per attempt all of a sudden matter.
RE: Its also  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:22 am : link
In comment 14403365 ajr2456 said:
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Funny that air yards per attempt all of a sudden matter.


If you read one of my earleir posts, I said I am doing it for the stat lovers. I guess you are discounting them now, since it proves you wrong???
RE: RE: Its also  
ajr2456 : 4/25/2019 8:24 am : link
In comment 14403381 dep026 said:
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In comment 14403365 ajr2456 said:


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Funny that air yards per attempt all of a sudden matter.



If you read one of my earleir posts, I said I am doing it for the stat lovers. I guess you are discounting them now, since it proves you wrong???


I never said Ben was good, I even said earlier that he shouldn’t have been paid. He has though, been better than Eli the past several years.
ELi's  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:24 am : link
Completion percentage - 17th
TD - 25th
INT - 12th
YPA - 16
A/YPA - 18th

So Ben TD% is obviously better. The other categories are very similar. And I am not sure where this turned into an Eli thing. The fct that Ben is more of an average QB (my initial statement) rings truer by the second.
RE: Ben's ranks amongst peers  
figgy2989 : 4/25/2019 8:25 am : link
In comment 14403360 dep026 said:
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Completion percentage - 12th
TD% - 18th
INT% - 19th
YPA - 15th
AY/A - 14th
YPC - 16th


Hmmmm.... But I am sure people are going to tell me I am wrong.



Now here are Eli's

Completion percentage - 12th (Eli 17th)
TD% - 18th (Eli 25th)
INT% - 19th (Eli 12th)
YPA - 15th (Eli 16th)
AY/A - 14th (Eli 18th)
YPC - 16th (Eli 17th)

So whats your point?
RE: RE: Ben's ranks amongst peers  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:26 am : link
In comment 14403396 figgy2989 said:
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Completion percentage - 12th
TD% - 18th
INT% - 19th
YPA - 15th
AY/A - 14th
YPC - 16th


Hmmmm.... But I am sure people are going to tell me I am wrong.




Now here are Eli's

Completion percentage - 12th (Eli 17th)
TD% - 18th (Eli 25th)
INT% - 19th (Eli 12th)
YPA - 15th (Eli 16th)
AY/A - 14th (Eli 18th)
YPC - 16th (Eli 17th)

So whats your point?


My initial point was the Ben was more of an average QB than a top 5 QB. My stats back it up. You guys turned this into an Eli thing.

But I guess poeople here rather shit on Eli on any thread possible.
RE: People really overrate Ben  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:28 am : link
In comment 14403268 dep026 said:
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These days. He’s much closer to a middle of the road QB than a top 5 one.


As you can see.... heres my initial post that was then backed up with actual facts.
As I guote one of the funnier terms used on this site  
Jimmy Googs : 4/25/2019 8:33 am : link
its ponderous how you consider Big Ben average...
RE: As I guote one of the funnier terms used on this site  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:33 am : link
In comment 14403423 Jimmy Googs said:
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its ponderous how you consider Big Ben average...


He is. I backed it up with information. You back it up with ...
It became an Eli thing  
ajr2456 : 4/25/2019 8:36 am : link
Because to attack anyone who says he’s been bad, but are quick to dismiss Ben as bad.
RE: It became an Eli thing  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:38 am : link
In comment 14403432 ajr2456 said:
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Because to attack anyone who says he’s been bad, but are quick to dismiss Ben as bad.


Did I say he was bad or average? Dont make up shit because I proved you wrong.

And thank you for acknowledging you brought up Eli just to shit on him. Its what you do.
RE: RE: It became an Eli thing  
ajr2456 : 4/25/2019 8:40 am : link
In comment 14403441 dep026 said:
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Because to attack anyone who says he’s been bad, but are quick to dismiss Ben as bad.



Did I say he was bad or average? Dont make up shit because I proved you wrong.

And thank you for acknowledging you brought up Eli just to shit on him. Its what you do.


I never said Ben was good so I don’t know how you proved me wrong but whatever makes you feel better.
RE: RE: RE: It became an Eli thing  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:42 am : link
In comment 14403445 ajr2456 said:
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I never said Ben was good so I don’t know how you proved me wrong but whatever makes you feel better.


Because you told me I was wrong and then I backed it up with information you live and die by. Good re-direct. Have a nice day.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It became an Eli thing  
ajr2456 : 4/25/2019 8:54 am : link
In comment 14403453 dep026 said:
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In comment 14403445 ajr2456 said:


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I never said Ben was good so I don’t know how you proved me wrong but whatever makes you feel better.



Because you told me I was wrong and then I backed it up with information you live and die by. Good re-direct. Have a nice day.


Interesting because my initial post neither mentioned you or quoted your post.

I’m glad you’ve finally come around on stats mattering, baby steps.
RE: RE: RE: It’s interesting  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 8:59 am : link
In comment 14403357 ajr2456 said:
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Not all stats are created equal.


Let me guess the ones that are not equal are the ones that support Eli?

Again, thanks for acknowledging you came to this thread for the sole purpose of shitting on Eli.

And thanks for admitting that not all stats are equal. Something I have preached for over a decade here. You're coming around.
RE: RE: As I guote one of the funnier terms used on this site  
Jimmy Googs : 4/25/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14403426 dep026 said:
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In comment 14403423 Jimmy Googs said:


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its ponderous how you consider Big Ben average...



He is. I backed it up with information. You back it up with ...


Put all the stats you want from football history on this thread, the concept of you stating Big Ben was and is an average QB is simply wrong.

Convincing yourself that your right shouldn't take that much based on what I read...
RE: RE: RE: As I guote one of the funnier terms used on this site  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 9:07 am : link
In comment 14403547 Jimmy Googs said:
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Put all the stats you want from football history on this thread, the concept of you stating Big Ben was and is an average QB is simply wrong.

Convincing yourself that your right shouldn't take that much based on what I read...


I said he was average last year. I never called him average for his career. So please stop making up shit to start an argument. Ben was the epitome of average last year. Sometimes the truth hurts.

And yet you still havent proved how he was NOT average last year.
RE: RE: Do you provide anything to this site other than directly or indirectly  
GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 9:12 am : link
In comment 14403344 dep026 said:
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In comment 14403335 Jimmy Googs said:


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trying to prop up Eli?

Ben hasn't been nor is an average QB. Put down your crystal ball as to what will happen this year unless you want to explain how you are better at evaluating QBs than the Steelers evaluators...



Well let’s look at stats since everyone at BBI loves to do...

Ben and Eli had the same YPA
Eli has a lower INT %
Ben has a higher TD%

Difference was Ben threw a shit more than eli last year. However most of Bens stats were pretty much middle of the road as far as his peer. That’s throwing to 2 stud WRs and having a pro bowl RB.

So again, color me unimpressed. But again whenever you have a chance to shit on Eli - well you know the story...


Ben has a better career TD% and better (lower) INT %
Eli actually averages 1 more attempt per game over their careers
Ben significantly higher career QB Rating

This year, Ben was somehow “middle of the road” ... by leading the NFL in passing yards and top 5 in TDs

Better over his career, better last year, better now. You can love Eli, like i do, and still acknowledge reality.



RE: RE: RE: Do you provide anything to this site other than directly or indirectly  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14403574 GothamGiants said:
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This year, Ben was somehow “middle of the road” ... by leading the NFL in passing yards and top 5 in TDs



most passing yards and TD due to amount of throws. All stats compared to his peers aver borderline average as I already proved.

As far as his career..... Ill say that he has accomplished as much as Eli with far, far, far more talent. Consistent top 5 defense, run game - and some of the best WRs in the game.

And when it comes to playoff time - Ben usually folds.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It’s interesting  
ajr2456 : 4/25/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14403519 dep026 said:
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Not all stats are created equal.



Let me guess the ones that are not equal are the ones that support Eli?

Again, thanks for acknowledging you came to this thread for the sole purpose of shitting on Eli.

And thanks for admitting that not all stats are equal. Something I have preached for over a decade here. You're coming around.


Have you? Because you shit on anyone who questions Eli’s.

Sure if Eli had the same number of attempts his yardage would have been the same, but there’s a reason Tomlin trusted Ben throwing that many times and Shurmur didn’t Eli.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It’s interesting  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 9:33 am : link
In comment 14403622 ajr2456 said:
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Have you? Because you shit on anyone who questions Eli’s.

Sure if Eli had the same number of attempts his yardage would have been the same, but there’s a reason Tomlin trusted Ben throwing that many times and Shurmur didn’t Eli.


See again, you are making up shit because you dont have much substance. I have never once shitted on a person who said Eli is in decline. I never once shitted on a person who thinks we should move on. You jsut come here and pass this narrative because I have stuck up for him in the past. And before you try to deny this, you can ask any poster who I wanted in last years draft, and they will tell you it wasnt Barkley. So again, stop with the lying to make yourself look smart.

And your last statement makes little sense. They trusted Ben to make plays? Well it didnt really work out to well huh? Because HE WAS AN AVERAGE QB LAST YEAR. And Tomlin was ripped constantly for not running the ball enough. Connor averaged over 4.5 YPC last year, and was very effective. And heres another thingto know. The Giants ran the ball only 9 more times than Pitt last year.

The reason why Ben threw the ball more was because they had the ball more which is a symptom of their defnese getting off the field. Their defense ranked 6th in the NFL in yards per game - a sign of getting off the field quickly. You know where the Giants ranked? 24th.

Are you confused yet? Ben threw more and accumulated stats. But it doesnt mean he was more effective than the average QB.
RE: Do you provide anything to this site other than directly or indirectly  
Scuzzlebutt : 4/25/2019 9:41 am : link
In comment 14403335 Jimmy Googs said:
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trying to prop up Eli?

Ben hasn't been nor is an average QB. Put down your crystal ball as to what will happen this year unless you want to explain how you are better at evaluating QBs than the Steelers evaluators...


I find it kind of odd that you would criticize someone else for not adding something to this site. I have literally never seen a comment from you that does not directly or indirectly shit on Eli. You lack self awareness.
You mentioned winning before  
ajr2456 : 4/25/2019 9:46 am : link
and say Ben throwing more didn’t work out.

They were playing for a playoff the last game of the season, despite losing their star running back and probably make the playoffs if their star WR doesn’t go AWOL.

I’d say it worked out well, just not well enough.
RE: You mentioned winning before  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14403725 ajr2456 said:
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and say Ben throwing more didn’t work out.

They were playing for a playoff the last game of the season, despite losing their star running back and probably make the playoffs if their star WR doesn’t go AWOL.

I’d say it worked out well, just not well enough.


They won their last week and Brown played the first 15 games. Brown missing the last week had nothing to do with them missing the playoffs. Its also why he was suspended, because if they needed the win - he would have played.
Roethlisberger’s QBR was 72 last year...  
bw in dc : 4/25/2019 10:07 am : link
4th in the NFL. And third in raw QBR.

The average QBR btw was around 58.

And all of his splits were very good - away/home, month by month, etc.

Statistically, Roethlisberger was far from average.

Subjectively? Roethlisberger had three rough spots - Cleveland, Jax, Denver. But every QB has a few bad spots. But if you feel compelled to put more weight on those three games, then maybe one can stretch the argument to get to “average”...
RE: Roethlisberger’s QBR was 72 last year...  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14403830 bw in dc said:
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4th in the NFL. And third in raw QBR.

The average QBR btw was around 58.

And all of his splits were very good - away/home, month by month, etc.

Statistically, Roethlisberger was far from average.

Subjectively? Roethlisberger had three rough spots - Cleveland, Jax, Denver. But every QB has a few bad spots. But if you feel compelled to put more weight on those three games, then maybe one can stretch the argument to get to “average”...


Thats why using forumalas is not good. Forumalas on how to rate players is mind blowing as people take them as law. Use actual game stats that showed what axtually happened.

Every statisical game stat showed he was as an average QB last year. Except for yards and TDs because of the amount of times he threw the ball.
RE: RE: Roethlisberger’s QBR was 72 last year...  
bw in dc : 4/25/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14403841 dep026 said:
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Every statisical game stat showed he was as an average QB last year. Except for yards and TDs because of the amount of times he threw the ball.


Are you sure you are comfortable with "every statistical game stat" on this?

Or maybe a better question is what are these stats to which you refer?
RE: RE: RE: Roethlisberger’s QBR was 72 last year...  
dep026 : 4/25/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14404106 bw in dc said:
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Every statisical game stat showed he was as an average QB last year. Except for yards and TDs because of the amount of times he threw the ball.



Are you sure you are comfortable with "every statistical game stat" on this?

Or maybe a better question is what are these stats to which you refer?


Read the thread. Ive posted them and it has been quoted many times already.
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