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| Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 3h The #Steelers and QB Ben Roethlisberger have made significant progress on a contract extension that will make him, once again, one of the highest paid players, source say. The two sides are in the final stages and a deal could be announced as soon as today. |
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| Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 24m The #Steelers have finalized a 2-year extension for QB Ben Roethlisberger, sources say. He now has 3 years total on his deal and Pittsburgh beats their deadline of the draft. |
OL took a hit
Older and slower
Division is much improved
Heart still a question
He’s still playing at a top 10 QB level.
he led the NFL is passing yards and put up 34 TDs ... he's always been a better player than Eli and still playing at a higher level.
He's also a douche, but he's excellent - and still playing well.
Makes sense for both sides if he stays healthy.
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and needs to be replaced too?
He’s still playing at a top 10 QB level.
At home. Different story on the road. He just throws a lot.
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and needs to be replaced too?
He’s still playing at a top 10 QB level.
At home. Different story on the road. He just throws a lot.
it's been a non-issue since 2017. He's great, he's more talented than Eli, and he's playing better than Eli - as he has for most of his career.
He's a POS and I don't "like" him, but he's an excellent QB - and still is.
it's been a non-issue since 2017. He's great, he's more talented than Eli, and he's playing better than Eli - as he has for most of his career.
He's a POS and I don't "like" him, but he's an excellent QB - and still is.
Yep. Ok. Sure he has....
He can wing it for sure. He had the msot attempts in the NFL last year. There were times they abandoned the run game and I think that actually hurt him. But remmeber Antonio is gone. They lost an ORT as well. Plus Cleveland/Ravens are better. I see him regressing.
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Haven't looked at his home vs road splits, but he still threw for 5,000 yards.
He can wing it for sure. He had the msot attempts in the NFL last year. There were times they abandoned the run game and I think that actually hurt him. But remmeber Antonio is gone. They lost an ORT as well. Plus Cleveland/Ravens are better. I see him regressing.
He did have the most attempts (675), but comparing to Eli (576), that averages to about 6 more attempts per game.
Can you imagine Eli was coming off a year like Ben had last year? You can bet your ass there would be no talk about finding the next QB in this draft.
Ben as a person is an absolute asshole and douche of the highest magnitude, but credit were credit is due, he is still playing damn good football.
He did have the most attempts (675), but comparing to Eli (576), that averages to about 6 more attempts per game.
So thats about 4 completions per game.. at 11 y/c, thats roughly 45 yards per game x 16 which is 720 yards added to Eli's totals which would give him roughly 5020 yards or 100 less than Big ben.
Can you imagine Eli was coming off a year like Ben had last year? You can bet your ass there would be no talk about finding the next QB in this draft.
Ben as a person is an absolute asshole and douche of the highest magnitude, but credit were credit is due, he is still playing damn good football.
I 100% doubt that's true. The majority of anti-Eli people here are ant-Eli. Performance/non-performance is independent.
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why people will go to great lengths to knock Ben or Rivers as if them playing well is some sort of knock to Eli.
Can you imagine Eli was coming off a year like Ben had last year? You can bet your ass there would be no talk about finding the next QB in this draft.
Ben as a person is an absolute asshole and douche of the highest magnitude, but credit were credit is due, he is still playing damn good football.
I 100% doubt that's true. The majority of anti-Eli people here are ant-Eli. Performance/non-performance is independent.
Let me know when there’s a performance to reconsider wanting a change at QB.
Can you imagine Eli was coming off a year like Ben had last year? You can bet your ass there would be no talk about finding the next QB in this draft.
Ben as a person is an absolute asshole and douche of the highest magnitude, but credit were credit is due, he is still playing damn good football.
Ben averaged 7.6 yards per attempt. Eli averaged 7.5.
Ben completed 67% of his passes. Eli completed 66%
Ben threw an INT on 2.4% of his throws. Eli threw an INT on 1.9% of his throws.
Ben threw a TD on 5% of his throws. Eli threw a TD on 3.6% of his throws.
Ben had a better year than Eli last year, but the narrative that he's a top 5-10 QB while Eli is bottom 5-10 doesn't play out when you look at the numbers. And while I'm not terribly familiar with the Steelers roster, I would imagine he had a better supporting cast than Eli.
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why people will go to great lengths to knock Ben or Rivers as if them playing well is some sort of knock to Eli.
Can you imagine Eli was coming off a year like Ben had last year? You can bet your ass there would be no talk about finding the next QB in this draft.
Ben as a person is an absolute asshole and douche of the highest magnitude, but credit were credit is due, he is still playing damn good football.
I 100% doubt that's true. The majority of anti-Eli people here are ant-Eli. Performance/non-performance is independent.
Let me know when there’s a performance to reconsider wanting a change at QB.
It's irrelevant. Your antipathy is visceral.
I know some Asshats in the Steeler organization - half is a stretch and I am not sure about the racist part but he is not well loved in the locker room. The off the field nonsense is will documented but he has done some shady stuff on the field that would call into question his on field character as well. You can make the argument that he has outplayed Eli on the field but we are exceedingly fortunate to have Eli's on field and off field character.
Side note - many in the organization still think the biggest loss of this offseason was not Antonio Brown and not Bell but Mike Munchak. I would expect that to have a ripple effect that will hurt Ben's production.
As for the OL it is aging with Foster being 33, Pouncey and Villanueva are both 30. They obviously need a replacement for Gilbert at RT and the jury is out on Okorafor. The Browns are the favorites in the North IMO.
Ben averaged 7.6 yards per attempt. Eli averaged 7.5.
Ben completed 67% of his passes. Eli completed 66%
Ben threw an INT on 2.4% of his throws. Eli threw an INT on 1.9% of his throws.
Ben threw a TD on 5% of his throws. Eli threw a TD on 3.6% of his throws.
See this is where percentages do not give the overall picture.
Here is another QB for you:
7.9 yards per attempt
64.6 Completion percentage
3.7% Int per throw (I know this is the outlier)
5.0% TD per Throw
You would say that those stats, outside of the the int percentage are similar to Ben and Eli.
And that QB is....Jameis Winston.
Look, I am not here to bash Eli or throw rose pedals at Ben. Obviously the Steelers, who are considered one of the best run franchises in the NFL saw something to give him a 3 year extension. As I said above, credit where credit is due.
Do we look at 1st quarter INT's and label them the reason the team lost? When Ben throws a INT in the end zone at the end of a loss to the Broncos, is that just him trying to make a play, or would it be looked at as the reason for missing the playoffs, like it would be if he were Eli??
Consistency is always good to put into perspective. When SD had seasons with 4 and 5 wins and missed teh playoffs 7 out of 8 seasons, that wasn't Rivers fault, yet Eli is the "only constant" for our playoff drought.
Him being a POS is definitely a separate matter. Them keeping better talent around him is not. That is a huge part of why he puts up great numbers every year. Give this dumb fuck our last 5 years of OL’s and he would have taken himself out each and every year with one mystery injury or another.
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Let me know when there’s a performance to reconsider wanting a change at QB
Do we look at 1st quarter INT's and label them the reason the team lost? When Ben throws a INT in the end zone at the end of a loss to the Broncos, is that just him trying to make a play, or would it be looked at as the reason for missing the playoffs, like it would be if he were Eli??
Consistency is always good to put into perspective. When SD had seasons with 4 and 5 wins and missed teh playoffs 7 out of 8 seasons, that wasn't Rivers fault, yet Eli is the "only constant" for our playoff drought.
I didn’t bring up Rivers or Ben. Bill said people would want Eli gone even if he performed well. There hasn’t been consistently good performances the last three years.
I only care about the QB position for the Giants, if other teams want to hang on to their old QBs that’s for their fans to worry about. Extending Ben is a bad a idea given his age, because they’d didn’t have to and it would be prudent to see how he performs for a full season without Brown or Bell before committing two more years to him.
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And has the accolades to prove it. Whether or not he's a POS is another matter entirely. I'd submit that the Steelers have done a much better job surrounding him with talent than the Giants have done with Eli, but, again that's an entirely different matter.
Him being a POS is definitely a separate matter. Them keeping better talent around him is not. That is a huge part of why he puts up great numbers every year. Give this dumb fuck our last 5 years of OL’s and he would have taken himself out each and every year with one mystery injury or another.
I see your point.
This is was my original point. I just think with all the shit thats going on in Pitt and what they lost - I suspect Ben will be the next QB to show his age.
Makes sense for both sides if he stays healthy.
Led league in attempts and INT's too. Still missed playoffs despite the two best WR's on his team.
I see them trading Dobbs for a decent pick sometime.
I don't believe he's as good as Brown and Bell allowed him to appear to be.
Per a league source, Roethlisberger’s signing bonus will be $37.5 million, and he’ll earn another $2.5 million this year. Added to the $5 million roster bonus earned in March, that’s a grand total of $45 million for 2019.
The two extra years of the contract have a value of $68 million, which is higher than the number previously reported. So the new-money average is $34 million — $500,000 more than Aaron Rodgers‘ $33.5 million figure. Given the $17 million Roethliberger was due to make in 2019, the total value of the deal is $85 million over three years, an average of $28.33 million.
That beats Kirk Cousins‘ average of $28 million on the three-year deal he signed with the Vikings a year ago. Given Cousins’ relative lack of accomplishments, it’s hard not to wonder whether beating Kirk’s three-year cash was a priority for Roethlisberger.
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Talk about a huge cap hit.
No, signing bonus gets spread out
28 a year sounds reasonable when the top guys are getting 34
You can be a Giants fan, appreciate Eli, and still acknowledge reality.
At this point in their careers it’s not even close anymore. Ben is absolutely 1 of the best QBs in the league - still.
(I still think Eli can get this team in the playoffs if they hit on top defensive prospects and can land a guy like Risner ... not an “Eli hater” at all)
Ben is a better, more talented QB. Always has been.
Agree. Put him on the Giants over the past 6 or 7 years and people would be calling him old and washed up. In fact, he probably would have missed significant time with injuries.
Like I said people really overrate players from other teams.
always wished we had drafted Big Ben instead of Eli
better QB definitely and we would not have given up anything to draft him that year ..
always wished we had drafted Big Ben instead of Eli
better QB definitely and we would not have given up anything to draft him that year ..
Glad someone else can acknowledge reality ... Ben is better, doesst mean Eli wasn’t great too ... but its really not even a discussion for anyone other than Giants fans. I’m sure the Eli brigade will be out in full force after their AM coffee
(I love Eli and still think he can play, FYI)
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No, signing bonus gets spread out
Ron, he is getting $45M in cash for 2019. The cap hit for the SB is spread out. But the signing bonus is still paid in 2019. Add on the $5M roster bonus already paid plus the $2.5M salary and Ben's cash earnings for 2019 will be $45M.
You know the story...
You know the story...
Well, that and playing Jax.
You know the story...
Do you provide anything to this site other than stupid shit? It wasn’t funny the first time or 800 tries later.
Christ, there’s days where you make Radar seem like a quality poster.
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always wished we had drafted Big Ben instead of Eli
better QB definitely and we would not have given up anything to draft him that year ..
Glad someone else can acknowledge reality ... Ben is better, doesst mean Eli wasn’t great too ... but its really not even a discussion for anyone other than Giants fans. I’m sure the Eli brigade will be out in full force after their AM coffee
(I love Eli and still think he can play, FYI)
You guys are delusional. Football is a team game. Flip flop Eli and Ben and you would be saying the same about Eli. Their career numbers are very similar and Ben has had a Mich better supporting cast.
Also - Ben is an asshole who would have been torn to shreds by the N.Y. media.
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No, signing bonus gets spread out
Ron, he is getting $45M in cash for 2019. The cap hit for the SB is spread out. But the signing bonus is still paid in 2019. Add on the $5M roster bonus already paid plus the $2.5M salary and Ben's cash earnings for 2019 will be $45M.
I was responding to the "talk about a huge cap hit" comment.
Players always get a lot of cash up front in deals like this. Cap hit will be normal.
He may not be worth that guaranteed money but surely an extension and a lot of bucks were coming his way...
He may not be worth that guaranteed money but surely an extension and a lot of bucks were coming his way...
He’s more average than ever. His mobility is very limited now. It doesn’t means he has been average his career.
But he’s not the QB now that most make him out to be.
Ben hasn't been nor is an average QB. Put down your crystal ball as to what will happen this year unless you want to explain how you are better at evaluating QBs than the Steelers evaluators...
Ben hasn't been nor is an average QB. Put down your crystal ball as to what will happen this year unless you want to explain how you are better at evaluating QBs than the Steelers evaluators...
Well let’s look at stats since everyone at BBI loves to do...
Ben and Eli had the same YPA
Eli has a lower INT %
Ben has a higher TD%
Difference was Ben threw a shit more than eli last year. However most of Bens stats were pretty much middle of the road as far as his peer. That’s throwing to 2 stud WRs and having a pro bowl RB.
So again, color me unimpressed. But again whenever you have a chance to shit on Eli - well you know the story...
He’s more average than ever. His mobility is very limited now. It doesn’t means he has been average his career.
But he’s not the QB now that most make him out to be.
dep, I know you like to shit on every QB in the league not named Eli, but come on. Coming off a 5,000 yard 34TD season is more average now than ever?
You can be a middle of the road QB and win with elite talent around you. Obviously Ben can’t since he’s had elite talent around him for years and still didn’t win, right??
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He’s more average than ever. His mobility is very limited now. It doesn’t means he has been average his career.
But he’s not the QB now that most make him out to be.
dep, I know you like to shit on every QB in the league not named Eli, but come on. Coming off a 5,000 yard 34TD season is more average now than ever?
The more you throw, the more you pile on stats, right?
And I don’t shit on every QB. That’s just bullshit. I give high praise to QBs who carry their teams.
Roll your eyes all you want at the cost of this extension, but Big Ben has not been nor is an average QB...
And I showed how if Eli threw as much as Ben did how comparable their stats would be.
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Some who stomp their feet and say Eli can still be a winning QB in the league are calling Ben a middle of the road QB.
You can be a middle of the road QB and win with elite talent around you. Obviously Ben can’t since he’s had elite talent around him for years and still didn’t win, right??
The Steelers have made the playoffs 6 of the last 9 years and haven’t had a losing season since 2003.
Maybe Ben threw more last year because he’s the better QB and the Steelers had more faith in him throwing the football.
Not all stats are created equal.
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I showed it above regarding the percentage stats, they don't tell the whole story. Jameis Winston had a higher TD percentage per throw compared to Eli, does that make him a better QB?
And I showed how if Eli threw as much as Ben did how comparable their stats would be.
Right, and if Winston threw as much as Eli, his stats would be similar. See, we can play this game all day. That is exactly what percentages are.
TD% - 18th
INT% - 19th
YPA - 15th
AY/A - 14th
YPC - 16th
Hmmmm.... But I am sure people are going to tell me I am wrong.
TD% - 18th
INT% - 19th
YPA - 15th
AY/A - 14th
YPC - 16th
Hmmmm.... But I am sure people are going to tell me I am wrong.
Now do Eli’s.
If you read one of my earleir posts, I said I am doing it for the stat lovers. I guess you are discounting them now, since it proves you wrong???
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Funny that air yards per attempt all of a sudden matter.
If you read one of my earleir posts, I said I am doing it for the stat lovers. I guess you are discounting them now, since it proves you wrong???
I never said Ben was good, I even said earlier that he shouldn’t have been paid. He has though, been better than Eli the past several years.
TD - 25th
INT - 12th
YPA - 16
A/YPA - 18th
So Ben TD% is obviously better. The other categories are very similar. And I am not sure where this turned into an Eli thing. The fct that Ben is more of an average QB (my initial statement) rings truer by the second.
TD% - 18th
INT% - 19th
YPA - 15th
AY/A - 14th
YPC - 16th
Hmmmm.... But I am sure people are going to tell me I am wrong.
Now here are Eli's
Completion percentage - 12th (Eli 17th)
TD% - 18th (Eli 25th)
INT% - 19th (Eli 12th)
YPA - 15th (Eli 16th)
AY/A - 14th (Eli 18th)
YPC - 16th (Eli 17th)
So whats your point?
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Completion percentage - 12th
TD% - 18th
INT% - 19th
YPA - 15th
AY/A - 14th
YPC - 16th
Hmmmm.... But I am sure people are going to tell me I am wrong.
Now here are Eli's
Completion percentage - 12th (Eli 17th)
TD% - 18th (Eli 25th)
INT% - 19th (Eli 12th)
YPA - 15th (Eli 16th)
AY/A - 14th (Eli 18th)
YPC - 16th (Eli 17th)
So whats your point?
My initial point was the Ben was more of an average QB than a top 5 QB. My stats back it up. You guys turned this into an Eli thing.
But I guess poeople here rather shit on Eli on any thread possible.
As you can see.... heres my initial post that was then backed up with actual facts.
He is. I backed it up with information. You back it up with ...
Did I say he was bad or average? Dont make up shit because I proved you wrong.
And thank you for acknowledging you brought up Eli just to shit on him. Its what you do.
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Because to attack anyone who says he’s been bad, but are quick to dismiss Ben as bad.
Did I say he was bad or average? Dont make up shit because I proved you wrong.
And thank you for acknowledging you brought up Eli just to shit on him. Its what you do.
I never said Ben was good so I don’t know how you proved me wrong but whatever makes you feel better.
I never said Ben was good so I don’t know how you proved me wrong but whatever makes you feel better.
Because you told me I was wrong and then I backed it up with information you live and die by. Good re-direct. Have a nice day.
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I never said Ben was good so I don’t know how you proved me wrong but whatever makes you feel better.
Because you told me I was wrong and then I backed it up with information you live and die by. Good re-direct. Have a nice day.
Interesting because my initial post neither mentioned you or quoted your post.
I’m glad you’ve finally come around on stats mattering, baby steps.
Not all stats are created equal.
Let me guess the ones that are not equal are the ones that support Eli?
Again, thanks for acknowledging you came to this thread for the sole purpose of shitting on Eli.
And thanks for admitting that not all stats are equal. Something I have preached for over a decade here. You're coming around.
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its ponderous how you consider Big Ben average...
He is. I backed it up with information. You back it up with ...
Put all the stats you want from football history on this thread, the concept of you stating Big Ben was and is an average QB is simply wrong.
Convincing yourself that your right shouldn't take that much based on what I read...
Put all the stats you want from football history on this thread, the concept of you stating Big Ben was and is an average QB is simply wrong.
Convincing yourself that your right shouldn't take that much based on what I read...
I said he was average last year. I never called him average for his career. So please stop making up shit to start an argument. Ben was the epitome of average last year. Sometimes the truth hurts.
And yet you still havent proved how he was NOT average last year.
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trying to prop up Eli?
Ben hasn't been nor is an average QB. Put down your crystal ball as to what will happen this year unless you want to explain how you are better at evaluating QBs than the Steelers evaluators...
Well let’s look at stats since everyone at BBI loves to do...
Ben and Eli had the same YPA
Eli has a lower INT %
Ben has a higher TD%
Difference was Ben threw a shit more than eli last year. However most of Bens stats were pretty much middle of the road as far as his peer. That’s throwing to 2 stud WRs and having a pro bowl RB.
So again, color me unimpressed. But again whenever you have a chance to shit on Eli - well you know the story...
Ben has a better career TD% and better (lower) INT %
Eli actually averages 1 more attempt per game over their careers
Ben significantly higher career QB Rating
This year, Ben was somehow “middle of the road” ... by leading the NFL in passing yards and top 5 in TDs
Better over his career, better last year, better now. You can love Eli, like i do, and still acknowledge reality.
This year, Ben was somehow “middle of the road” ... by leading the NFL in passing yards and top 5 in TDs
most passing yards and TD due to amount of throws. All stats compared to his peers aver borderline average as I already proved.
As far as his career..... Ill say that he has accomplished as much as Eli with far, far, far more talent. Consistent top 5 defense, run game - and some of the best WRs in the game.
And when it comes to playoff time - Ben usually folds.
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Not all stats are created equal.
Let me guess the ones that are not equal are the ones that support Eli?
Again, thanks for acknowledging you came to this thread for the sole purpose of shitting on Eli.
And thanks for admitting that not all stats are equal. Something I have preached for over a decade here. You're coming around.
Have you? Because you shit on anyone who questions Eli’s.
Sure if Eli had the same number of attempts his yardage would have been the same, but there’s a reason Tomlin trusted Ben throwing that many times and Shurmur didn’t Eli.
Have you? Because you shit on anyone who questions Eli’s.
Sure if Eli had the same number of attempts his yardage would have been the same, but there’s a reason Tomlin trusted Ben throwing that many times and Shurmur didn’t Eli.
See again, you are making up shit because you dont have much substance. I have never once shitted on a person who said Eli is in decline. I never once shitted on a person who thinks we should move on. You jsut come here and pass this narrative because I have stuck up for him in the past. And before you try to deny this, you can ask any poster who I wanted in last years draft, and they will tell you it wasnt Barkley. So again, stop with the lying to make yourself look smart.
And your last statement makes little sense. They trusted Ben to make plays? Well it didnt really work out to well huh? Because HE WAS AN AVERAGE QB LAST YEAR. And Tomlin was ripped constantly for not running the ball enough. Connor averaged over 4.5 YPC last year, and was very effective. And heres another thingto know. The Giants ran the ball only 9 more times than Pitt last year.
The reason why Ben threw the ball more was because they had the ball more which is a symptom of their defnese getting off the field. Their defense ranked 6th in the NFL in yards per game - a sign of getting off the field quickly. You know where the Giants ranked? 24th.
Are you confused yet? Ben threw more and accumulated stats. But it doesnt mean he was more effective than the average QB.
Ben hasn't been nor is an average QB. Put down your crystal ball as to what will happen this year unless you want to explain how you are better at evaluating QBs than the Steelers evaluators...
I find it kind of odd that you would criticize someone else for not adding something to this site. I have literally never seen a comment from you that does not directly or indirectly shit on Eli. You lack self awareness.
They were playing for a playoff the last game of the season, despite losing their star running back and probably make the playoffs if their star WR doesn’t go AWOL.
I’d say it worked out well, just not well enough.
They were playing for a playoff the last game of the season, despite losing their star running back and probably make the playoffs if their star WR doesn’t go AWOL.
I’d say it worked out well, just not well enough.
They won their last week and Brown played the first 15 games. Brown missing the last week had nothing to do with them missing the playoffs. Its also why he was suspended, because if they needed the win - he would have played.
The average QBR btw was around 58.
And all of his splits were very good - away/home, month by month, etc.
Statistically, Roethlisberger was far from average.
Subjectively? Roethlisberger had three rough spots - Cleveland, Jax, Denver. But every QB has a few bad spots. But if you feel compelled to put more weight on those three games, then maybe one can stretch the argument to get to “average”...
The average QBR btw was around 58.
And all of his splits were very good - away/home, month by month, etc.
Statistically, Roethlisberger was far from average.
Subjectively? Roethlisberger had three rough spots - Cleveland, Jax, Denver. But every QB has a few bad spots. But if you feel compelled to put more weight on those three games, then maybe one can stretch the argument to get to “average”...
Thats why using forumalas is not good. Forumalas on how to rate players is mind blowing as people take them as law. Use actual game stats that showed what axtually happened.
Every statisical game stat showed he was as an average QB last year. Except for yards and TDs because of the amount of times he threw the ball.
Every statisical game stat showed he was as an average QB last year. Except for yards and TDs because of the amount of times he threw the ball.
Are you sure you are comfortable with "every statistical game stat" on this?
Or maybe a better question is what are these stats to which you refer?
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Every statisical game stat showed he was as an average QB last year. Except for yards and TDs because of the amount of times he threw the ball.
Are you sure you are comfortable with "every statistical game stat" on this?
Or maybe a better question is what are these stats to which you refer?
Read the thread. Ive posted them and it has been quoted many times already.