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| Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 3h The #Steelers and QB Ben Roethlisberger have made significant progress on a contract extension that will make him, once again, one of the highest paid players, source say. The two sides are in the final stages and a deal could be announced as soon as today. |
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| Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 24m The #Steelers have finalized a 2-year extension for QB Ben Roethlisberger, sources say. He now has 3 years total on his deal and Pittsburgh beats their deadline of the draft. |
OL took a hit
Older and slower
Division is much improved
Heart still a question
He’s still playing at a top 10 QB level.
he led the NFL is passing yards and put up 34 TDs ... he's always been a better player than Eli and still playing at a higher level.
He's also a douche, but he's excellent - and still playing well.
Makes sense for both sides if he stays healthy.
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and needs to be replaced too?
He’s still playing at a top 10 QB level.
At home. Different story on the road. He just throws a lot.
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and needs to be replaced too?
He’s still playing at a top 10 QB level.
At home. Different story on the road. He just throws a lot.
it's been a non-issue since 2017. He's great, he's more talented than Eli, and he's playing better than Eli - as he has for most of his career.
He's a POS and I don't "like" him, but he's an excellent QB - and still is.
it's been a non-issue since 2017. He's great, he's more talented than Eli, and he's playing better than Eli - as he has for most of his career.
He's a POS and I don't "like" him, but he's an excellent QB - and still is.
Yep. Ok. Sure he has....
He can wing it for sure. He had the msot attempts in the NFL last year. There were times they abandoned the run game and I think that actually hurt him. But remmeber Antonio is gone. They lost an ORT as well. Plus Cleveland/Ravens are better. I see him regressing.
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Haven't looked at his home vs road splits, but he still threw for 5,000 yards.
He can wing it for sure. He had the msot attempts in the NFL last year. There were times they abandoned the run game and I think that actually hurt him. But remmeber Antonio is gone. They lost an ORT as well. Plus Cleveland/Ravens are better. I see him regressing.
He did have the most attempts (675), but comparing to Eli (576), that averages to about 6 more attempts per game.
Can you imagine Eli was coming off a year like Ben had last year? You can bet your ass there would be no talk about finding the next QB in this draft.
Ben as a person is an absolute asshole and douche of the highest magnitude, but credit were credit is due, he is still playing damn good football.
He did have the most attempts (675), but comparing to Eli (576), that averages to about 6 more attempts per game.
So thats about 4 completions per game.. at 11 y/c, thats roughly 45 yards per game x 16 which is 720 yards added to Eli's totals which would give him roughly 5020 yards or 100 less than Big ben.
Can you imagine Eli was coming off a year like Ben had last year? You can bet your ass there would be no talk about finding the next QB in this draft.
Ben as a person is an absolute asshole and douche of the highest magnitude, but credit were credit is due, he is still playing damn good football.
I 100% doubt that's true. The majority of anti-Eli people here are ant-Eli. Performance/non-performance is independent.
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why people will go to great lengths to knock Ben or Rivers as if them playing well is some sort of knock to Eli.
Can you imagine Eli was coming off a year like Ben had last year? You can bet your ass there would be no talk about finding the next QB in this draft.
Ben as a person is an absolute asshole and douche of the highest magnitude, but credit were credit is due, he is still playing damn good football.
I 100% doubt that's true. The majority of anti-Eli people here are ant-Eli. Performance/non-performance is independent.
Let me know when there’s a performance to reconsider wanting a change at QB.
Can you imagine Eli was coming off a year like Ben had last year? You can bet your ass there would be no talk about finding the next QB in this draft.
Ben as a person is an absolute asshole and douche of the highest magnitude, but credit were credit is due, he is still playing damn good football.
Ben averaged 7.6 yards per attempt. Eli averaged 7.5.
Ben completed 67% of his passes. Eli completed 66%
Ben threw an INT on 2.4% of his throws. Eli threw an INT on 1.9% of his throws.
Ben threw a TD on 5% of his throws. Eli threw a TD on 3.6% of his throws.
Ben had a better year than Eli last year, but the narrative that he's a top 5-10 QB while Eli is bottom 5-10 doesn't play out when you look at the numbers. And while I'm not terribly familiar with the Steelers roster, I would imagine he had a better supporting cast than Eli.
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why people will go to great lengths to knock Ben or Rivers as if them playing well is some sort of knock to Eli.
Can you imagine Eli was coming off a year like Ben had last year? You can bet your ass there would be no talk about finding the next QB in this draft.
Ben as a person is an absolute asshole and douche of the highest magnitude, but credit were credit is due, he is still playing damn good football.
I 100% doubt that's true. The majority of anti-Eli people here are ant-Eli. Performance/non-performance is independent.
Let me know when there’s a performance to reconsider wanting a change at QB.
It's irrelevant. Your antipathy is visceral.
I know some Asshats in the Steeler organization - half is a stretch and I am not sure about the racist part but he is not well loved in the locker room. The off the field nonsense is will documented but he has done some shady stuff on the field that would call into question his on field character as well. You can make the argument that he has outplayed Eli on the field but we are exceedingly fortunate to have Eli's on field and off field character.
Side note - many in the organization still think the biggest loss of this offseason was not Antonio Brown and not Bell but Mike Munchak. I would expect that to have a ripple effect that will hurt Ben's production.
As for the OL it is aging with Foster being 33, Pouncey and Villanueva are both 30. They obviously need a replacement for Gilbert at RT and the jury is out on Okorafor. The Browns are the favorites in the North IMO.
Ben averaged 7.6 yards per attempt. Eli averaged 7.5.
Ben completed 67% of his passes. Eli completed 66%
Ben threw an INT on 2.4% of his throws. Eli threw an INT on 1.9% of his throws.
Ben threw a TD on 5% of his throws. Eli threw a TD on 3.6% of his throws.
See this is where percentages do not give the overall picture.
Here is another QB for you:
7.9 yards per attempt
64.6 Completion percentage
3.7% Int per throw (I know this is the outlier)
5.0% TD per Throw
You would say that those stats, outside of the the int percentage are similar to Ben and Eli.
And that QB is....Jameis Winston.
Look, I am not here to bash Eli or throw rose pedals at Ben. Obviously the Steelers, who are considered one of the best run franchises in the NFL saw something to give him a 3 year extension. As I said above, credit where credit is due.
Do we look at 1st quarter INT's and label them the reason the team lost? When Ben throws a INT in the end zone at the end of a loss to the Broncos, is that just him trying to make a play, or would it be looked at as the reason for missing the playoffs, like it would be if he were Eli??
Consistency is always good to put into perspective. When SD had seasons with 4 and 5 wins and missed teh playoffs 7 out of 8 seasons, that wasn't Rivers fault, yet Eli is the "only constant" for our playoff drought.
Him being a POS is definitely a separate matter. Them keeping better talent around him is not. That is a huge part of why he puts up great numbers every year. Give this dumb fuck our last 5 years of OL’s and he would have taken himself out each and every year with one mystery injury or another.
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Let me know when there’s a performance to reconsider wanting a change at QB
Do we look at 1st quarter INT's and label them the reason the team lost? When Ben throws a INT in the end zone at the end of a loss to the Broncos, is that just him trying to make a play, or would it be looked at as the reason for missing the playoffs, like it would be if he were Eli??
Consistency is always good to put into perspective. When SD had seasons with 4 and 5 wins and missed teh playoffs 7 out of 8 seasons, that wasn't Rivers fault, yet Eli is the "only constant" for our playoff drought.
I didn’t bring up Rivers or Ben. Bill said people would want Eli gone even if he performed well. There hasn’t been consistently good performances the last three years.
I only care about the QB position for the Giants, if other teams want to hang on to their old QBs that’s for their fans to worry about. Extending Ben is a bad a idea given his age, because they’d didn’t have to and it would be prudent to see how he performs for a full season without Brown or Bell before committing two more years to him.
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And has the accolades to prove it. Whether or not he's a POS is another matter entirely. I'd submit that the Steelers have done a much better job surrounding him with talent than the Giants have done with Eli, but, again that's an entirely different matter.
Him being a POS is definitely a separate matter. Them keeping better talent around him is not. That is a huge part of why he puts up great numbers every year. Give this dumb fuck our last 5 years of OL’s and he would have taken himself out each and every year with one mystery injury or another.
I see your point.
This is was my original point. I just think with all the shit thats going on in Pitt and what they lost - I suspect Ben will be the next QB to show his age.
Makes sense for both sides if he stays healthy.
Led league in attempts and INT's too. Still missed playoffs despite the two best WR's on his team.
I see them trading Dobbs for a decent pick sometime.
I don't believe he's as good as Brown and Bell allowed him to appear to be.
Per a league source, Roethlisberger’s signing bonus will be $37.5 million, and he’ll earn another $2.5 million this year. Added to the $5 million roster bonus earned in March, that’s a grand total of $45 million for 2019.
The two extra years of the contract have a value of $68 million, which is higher than the number previously reported. So the new-money average is $34 million — $500,000 more than Aaron Rodgers‘ $33.5 million figure. Given the $17 million Roethliberger was due to make in 2019, the total value of the deal is $85 million over three years, an average of $28.33 million.
That beats Kirk Cousins‘ average of $28 million on the three-year deal he signed with the Vikings a year ago. Given Cousins’ relative lack of accomplishments, it’s hard not to wonder whether beating Kirk’s three-year cash was a priority for Roethlisberger.
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Talk about a huge cap hit.
No, signing bonus gets spread out
28 a year sounds reasonable when the top guys are getting 34
You can be a Giants fan, appreciate Eli, and still acknowledge reality.
At this point in their careers it’s not even close anymore. Ben is absolutely 1 of the best QBs in the league - still.
(I still think Eli can get this team in the playoffs if they hit on top defensive prospects and can land a guy like Risner ... not an “Eli hater” at all)
Ben is a better, more talented QB. Always has been.
Agree. Put him on the Giants over the past 6 or 7 years and people would be calling him old and washed up. In fact, he probably would have missed significant time with injuries.
Like I said people really overrate players from other teams.
always wished we had drafted Big Ben instead of Eli
better QB definitely and we would not have given up anything to draft him that year ..
always wished we had drafted Big Ben instead of Eli
better QB definitely and we would not have given up anything to draft him that year ..
Glad someone else can acknowledge reality ... Ben is better, doesst mean Eli wasn’t great too ... but its really not even a discussion for anyone other than Giants fans. I’m sure the Eli brigade will be out in full force after their AM coffee
(I love Eli and still think he can play, FYI)