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It's becoming more and more realistic that Josh Allen

nyjuggernaut2 : 4/24/2019 12:36 pm
is going to fall to 6. And when he does I'll be doing backflips in my living room.

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Dave Te  
Matt in SGS : 4/24/2019 12:47 pm : link
was talking on his podcast that Hockenson might be the surprise pick by the Raiders at 4, and Oliver would go to the Jets at 3 (or whoever trades with them).

That would leave a scenario that both Williams and Allen are there for the Giants at 6.

Murray, Bosa, Oliver, Hockenson, White, and the Giants are sitting there can't believing their luck.
RE: Also  
Jon in NYC : 4/24/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14401639 figgy2989 said:
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If you believe the rumors that the Raiders aren't going to go DL/ER as most predicted, that too pushes one of these premier guys down a spot.


That would be great news for NYG
RE: Dave Te  
Strip-Sack : 4/24/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14401642 Matt in SGS said:
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was talking on his podcast that Hockenson might be the surprise pick by the Raiders at 4, and Oliver would go to the Jets at 3 (or whoever trades with them).

That would leave a scenario that both Williams and Allen are there for the Giants at 6.

Murray, Bosa, Oliver, Hockenson, White, and the Giants are sitting there can't believing their luck.


Now this is interesting and does make some sense!
RE: Dave Te  
Giants38 : 4/24/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14401642 Matt in SGS said:
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was talking on his podcast that Hockenson might be the surprise pick by the Raiders at 4, and Oliver would go to the Jets at 3 (or whoever trades with them).

That would leave a scenario that both Williams and Allen are there for the Giants at 6.

Murray, Bosa, Oliver, Hockenson, White, and the Giants are sitting there can't believing their luck.


I’ll believe it when I see it that the Jets pass up Quinnen for Oliver.
Yeah, basic math. We sit at 6 and there are 3 premium defensive  
robbieballs2003 : 4/24/2019 12:50 pm : link
players we supposedly like meaning we need 3 non-premium defensive guys to go in the top 5. Murray sounds like 1. Who are the other 2? I agree that Haskins, possibly Lock, Oliver, and White could go. Maybe even a guy like Jonah Williams since Oakland needs to fix their OL but that can happen later in the first.
Stil well under a 50% chance  
jeff57 : 4/24/2019 12:51 pm : link
In my view
RE: Dave Te  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14401642 Matt in SGS said:
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was talking on his podcast that Hockenson might be the surprise pick by the Raiders at 4, and Oliver would go to the Jets at 3 (or whoever trades with them).

That would leave a scenario that both Williams and Allen are there for the Giants at 6.

Murray, Bosa, Oliver, Hockenson, White, and the Giants are sitting there can't believing their luck.


That would be ridiculous and also leave us with quite the choice. Honestly I think they would take Q there.

Best scenario but alot has to work out... would be Allen and then Buckner via trade or Allen and then Wilkins at 17.

Also do Bucs take White over BOTH Allen and Q?
RE: I keep  
81_Great_Dane : 4/24/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14401605 Eric from BBI said:
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seeing people say this, but why are they saying this? Because of the Jets/Oliver rumors?
I think because there's this idea that some team or teams is going to trade up to draft a QB. If Murray, Haskins or Lock or Jones, Williams and Bosa go in the top 5, then it's a matter of who the fifth guy will be. if it's Oliver, then Allen falls to #6.

It's not that farfetched. I suspect it's about 30% chance of that happening.
Raiders do need a TE  
ZogZerg : 4/24/2019 12:55 pm : link
and if they see him as a "gold jacket" guy like many have been touting, then I could see that pick.

DJ has him rated as his #4 overall prospect.
He spent a lot of time with Mayock.

Raiders can't afford to trade down and assume that he'll still be there.
RE: RE: Dave Te  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14401651 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14401642 Matt in SGS said:


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was talking on his podcast that Hockenson might be the surprise pick by the Raiders at 4, and Oliver would go to the Jets at 3 (or whoever trades with them).

That would leave a scenario that both Williams and Allen are there for the Giants at 6.

Murray, Bosa, Oliver, Hockenson, White, and the Giants are sitting there can't believing their luck.



I’ll believe it when I see it that the Jets pass up Quinnen for Oliver.


Perhaps they see too much synergy between their own Williams and him. Oliver would provide a bit of different dynamic.
Any scenario happening that allows Quinnen Williams to get to 6  
sjnyfan : 4/24/2019 12:55 pm : link
I am 100% in on. Give me Brian Burns at 17 then Greg Little at 37 and I will be in a state of euphoria
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 12:57 pm : link
I can't imagine teams would be stupid enough to let Quinnen William slide to #6.
The Raiders are the wild card to me  
RobCarpenter : 4/24/2019 12:58 pm : link
Because they are the Raiders, I imagine they'll do something unexpected/borderline stupid. And do something like draft Metcalf.

Imagine if Q Williams is there at #6. It's not that crazy - the following seems very possible to me:

Cards: Murray
49ers: Bosa
Jets: Oliver (or trade down to someone who takes a QB)
Raiders: Metcalf (or some other stupid pick)
TB: White
I keep seeing it, too ...  
Beezer : 4/24/2019 12:58 pm : link
but I think it's more just a matter of people reading things, getting excited about it, and reiterating it, as if that makes it more possible.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 12:59 pm : link
Regarding Raiders, do you guys REALLY see Mayock doing something stupid? I don't.
RE: The Raiders are the wild card to me  
RobCarpenter : 4/24/2019 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14401675 RobCarpenter said:
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Because they are the Raiders, I imagine they'll do something unexpected/borderline stupid. And do something like draft Metcalf.

Imagine if Q Williams is there at #6. It's not that crazy - the following seems very possible to me:

Cards: Murray
49ers: Bosa
Jets: Oliver (or trade down to someone who takes a QB)
Raiders: Metcalf (or some other stupid pick)
TB: White


Sorry - I didn't read the posts above mine before posting.

Still think the Raiders do something idiotic.
RE: ...  
RobCarpenter : 4/24/2019 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14401680 Eric from BBI said:
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Regarding Raiders, do you guys REALLY see Mayock doing something stupid? I don't.


Yes. They are still the Raiders, Mark Davis is still the owner and Chucky is still the coach.
I've got this feeling that the Cardinals are messing with everyone  
aimrocky : 4/24/2019 1:01 pm : link
and they take Bosa #1. That triggers a defense run that leaves us with a second tier defender.
RE: ...  
Strahan91 : 4/24/2019 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14401680 Eric from BBI said:
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Regarding Raiders, do you guys REALLY see Mayock doing something stupid? I don't.

To me, Hockenson at 4 is far more believable than the Lock/Jones rumors at 4 imo. He's a guy that everyone seems to love and I could see both Gruden and Mayock agreeing on him vs say Jones/Lock. A lot of Raiders fans on twitter think this is the "surprise pick" Rapoport talked about fwiw. He'd be a big help both as a pass catcher and blocker.
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Steve in Greenwich : 4/24/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14401680 Eric from BBI said:
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Regarding Raiders, do you guys REALLY see Mayock doing something stupid? I don't.

I'd be wary on how you perceive Mayock's role as the General Manager. I've heard he was hired to basically provide scouting reports to Chucky for him to decide on personnel. Hence the interviews were for guys who excelled in scouting / not decision making. Remember that was the one position that Reese had a reasonable shot at. Also why they have gone out of their way in keeping the other scouts out of the building the past week and a half.
RE: I've got this feeling that the Cardinals are messing with everyone  
Strahan91 : 4/24/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14401685 aimrocky said:
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and they take Bosa #1. That triggers a defense run that leaves us with a second tier defender.

If you believe hitdog (in the past its been quite foolish not to) then that could mean the Giants go Haskins at 6.
RE: I've got this feeling that the Cardinals are messing with everyone  
robbieballs2003 : 4/24/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14401685 aimrocky said:
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and they take Bosa #1. That triggers a defense run that leaves us with a second tier defender.


So they are Farva in Super Troopers when he puts the bar of soap in the rookie's coffee? What is the point of messing with the NFL? "AH, I GOT YOU GOOD, FUCKER!"
Strahan91  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 1:06 pm : link
I'm with Sy'56 on Hockensen... He's a nice two-way TE, but a top 10 guy? Really?
No way would this guy do something stupid  
eric2425ny : 4/24/2019 1:08 pm : link



RE: No way would this guy do something stupid  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14401711 eric2425ny said:
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Fuck.
It's based on 2 factors  
AcesUp : 4/24/2019 1:10 pm : link
the #3 pick looking more and more like it won't be a consensus Top 3 defender - whether through trade (Redskins heavily rumored) or through a preference for Oliver (which a few plugged in guys have stated he's Greg Williams' guy). The other factor being that the Bucs having tunnel vision on White.
RE: Strahan91  
Strahan91 : 4/24/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14401704 Eric from BBI said:
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I'm with Sy'56 on Hockensen... He's a nice two-way TE, but a top 10 guy? Really?

I wouldn't do it but he's a bit of a throwback player which we know Gruden loves. Miller was a huge reach last year for them so it's not hard for me to see it happening, especially if Gruden overrules Mayock.
RE: No way would this guy do something stupid  
robbieballs2003 : 4/24/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14401711 eric2425ny said:
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Wow, you found him in a real suit and not a jumpsuit?
FWIW  
AcesUp : 4/24/2019 1:11 pm : link
My book has player props for the Giants first pick and Allen has the shortest odds (he's the favorite).
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eric2425ny : 4/24/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14401719 robbieballs2003 said:
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Wow, you found him in a real suit and not a jumpsuit?


He kind of looks like he could be Gruden’s father.
I  
AcidTest : 4/24/2019 1:21 pm : link
still think it's unlikely.

Assuming Murray and Q. Williams go #1 and #2:

(1) Haskins has to go #3 to someone trading with the Jets.
(2) Assuming #1, the Raiders take Bosa.
(3) TB takes White instead of Allen.

That is a lot that has to happen. It will cost a lot to move up to #3, although if that happens, the Raiders are unlikely to take Allen instead of Bosa. But TB could easily take Allen instead of White.

My guess: Oliver, Wilkins, or trade down in that order.
I keep hearing Raiders really like Oliver too  
nyjuggernaut2 : 4/24/2019 1:37 pm : link
Chucky views him as the second coming of Warren Sapp. He could easily be in play at 4 if Jets don't take him at 3.
RE: RE: I keep  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/24/2019 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14401620 Capt. Don said:
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seeing people say this, but why are they saying this? Because of the Jets/Oliver rumors?



2 out of the following 3 need to happen - None are crazy

Jets trade out for someone to take Haskins
Jets/Raiders take Oliver
Bucs take White

Conversely, it could go the other direction rather quickly:

Cardinals pass on Murray and take one of the big three defenders.
Both Allen & Williams may have been overrated too.  
mittenedman : 4/24/2019 1:49 pm : link
And not “slipping”. Its just that better football players may be ahead of them.

QW isnt the best player in the draft - Bosa is.


Then it appears QW & Allen are in that next row with other equally talented players. IMO. Allen has his own buyer beware stuff.
I'm not sold on NYG liking Allen  
Sy'56 : 4/24/2019 2:09 pm : link
His hand aren't heavy and both the FO/coaching staff always say that is one of the top traits they look for in DL/Edge
RE: RE: I'd be psyched  
GothamGiants : 4/24/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14401607 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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equally psyched with Devin White.

My pure joy back flip scenario is one of these two dudes at #6, another edge rush or OT at #17, and Rosen at #37 plus maybe a future pick.

Back flips



My dream draft would be Allen at 6, Devin Bush at 17, Rock Ya Sin in the 2nd, and a trade for Rosen...back flip city lol


Ya Sin or Risner for me and this is a dream come true
RE: ...  
sjnyfan : 4/24/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14401672 Eric from BBI said:
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I can't imagine teams would be stupid enough to let Quinnen William slide to #6.


We have the Jets and Raiders ahead of us. Anything is possible. And if the rumors are true about the Redskins wanting to get into the top 5, even more history of stupid.
becoming more and more realistic  
Torrag : 4/24/2019 4:26 pm : link
I'll believe it when it happens.The Top 3 position players are Bosa, QWill, and Allen. Even if two QB's go before 6(questionable theory imo to begin with) who is going to fuck up and pass on one of those three?

Don't hold your breath fellas, it's a loooongshot.
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GothamGiants : 4/24/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14401672 Eric from BBI said:
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I can't imagine teams would be stupid enough to let Quinnen William slide to #6.


this is exactly what was said about Leonard Williams 4 years ago ... "best player in draft", "top 3 lock", etc.

I will never underestimate the stupidity of the Jets/Raiders ... Oliver/Hockenson isn't that far fetched ... if the Giants come away with Allen or Williams we should be dancing in the streets.
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FrankieR : 4/24/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14401851 GothamGiants said:
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equally psyched with Devin White.

My pure joy back flip scenario is one of these two dudes at #6, another edge rush or OT at #17, and Rosen at #37 plus maybe a future pick.

Back flips



My dream draft would be Allen at 6, Devin Bush at 17, Rock Ya Sin in the 2nd, and a trade for Rosen...back flip city lol



Ya Sin or Risner for me and this is a dream come true


I have started to sour on Rock ya sin for the mean reason being that he tested pretty badly and terms Mobility. Reznor would be good, or even Bobby Evans in the fourth, or even tytus Howard with our 37th pick.
RE: RE: I'd be psyched  
MetsAreBack : 4/24/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14401607 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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My dream draft would be Allen at 6, Devin Bush at 17, Rock Ya Sin in the 2nd, and a trade for Rosen...back flip city lol


Do the Giants have another 2nd round pick it will take, at minimum, to acquire Rosen?
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Gatorade Dunk : 4/24/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14402196 GothamGiants said:
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I can't imagine teams would be stupid enough to let Quinnen William slide to #6.



this is exactly what was said about Leonard Williams 4 years ago ... "best player in draft", "top 3 lock", etc.

I will never underestimate the stupidity of the Jets/Raiders ... Oliver/Hockenson isn't that far fetched ... if the Giants come away with Allen or Williams we should be dancing in the streets.

And yet the Jets, with a fairly well stocked DL at the time, took Leonard Williams. I don't see them passing on the top DL talent this time either unless they trade out.
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Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14402321 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14401672 Eric from BBI said:


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I can't imagine teams would be stupid enough to let Quinnen William slide to #6.



this is exactly what was said about Leonard Williams 4 years ago ... "best player in draft", "top 3 lock", etc.

I will never underestimate the stupidity of the Jets/Raiders ... Oliver/Hockenson isn't that far fetched ... if the Giants come away with Allen or Williams we should be dancing in the streets.


And yet the Jets, with a fairly well stocked DL at the time, took Leonard Williams. I don't see them passing on the top DL talent this time either unless they trade out.


They could go Oliver , Allen or trade down too...
I feel it in the air  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/24/2019 6:24 pm : link
Someone is going to make an early wtf pick, unlike Cedric Jones draft. Allen is the reincarnation of Khalil Mack.
RE: I feel it in the air  
GothamGiants : 4/24/2019 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14402374 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Someone is going to make an early wtf pick, unlike Cedric Jones draft. Allen is the reincarnation of Khalil Mack.


This is why i want a trade up to 3 ... Allen and the Giants is a perfect match, although I don’t think he’s quite as good as Mack
Allen  
MojoEd : 4/24/2019 6:49 pm : link
Found it interesting that in many of the combine interviews I heard, players identified Allen as the toughest player they had to go up against.
I'm not a draft  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2019 6:51 pm : link
expert, but from what I read/watch there is no chance Allen falls to #6.

How do you see the draft falling so here's there at 6?
Why does everyone think Washington is going to move up  
montanagiant : 4/24/2019 7:29 pm : link
When they have supposedly made the best offer for Rosen?
RE: No way would this guy do something stupid  
montanagiant : 4/24/2019 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14401711 eric2425ny said:
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Seriously, what human would think that haircut looks decent? That's worse than Trump's hair
What I’m hoping for  
djm : 4/24/2019 9:33 pm : link
Is there are more blue chip talents or even if there is only the 3 defensive blue chippers (Allen, Williams and Bosa) the giants might have one of those LTs rated as blue chips as well. I’d be ok with either the elite LT or D player there at 6. I’d prefer D there but a big time LT would solidify the OL for years to come.

There might be more than 3 blue chip defensive guys for all we know.
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