"That's their guy," an NFL source told SNY on Wednesday. "They love him and they have for a while. I can't imagine they'll wait until 17. He's not likely to last that long."
predict that all the predictions are wrong because we are actually taking one of the following:
Bugs Bunny.
Elmer Fudd.
Daffy Duck.
Seriously? Did you see Fudd's 40 time? He is definitely going after Foghorn..
True.
Though Fudd is a good passer he operated mainly in the shotgun.
Not of fan of Foghorn, he has kind of a high cut and is weak in the legs and seat... someone would say he has chicken legs.
This post would win the internet for the day, except you referred to his seat, instead of his bubble.... Scouting is performed by a close knit group of pros, and they don't take well to non gay sounding references to players body parts....
Redskins trying to trade up into top 5 ahead of NYG for Jones per Greg Gabriel. Link - ( New Window )
I've thought from the very beginning the Giants would have to trade up for Jones. Here we go. He is a lot closer to Carson Wentz than people are giving him credit for. Big tough hard-nosed dude who can run. He doesn't have the arm Wentz does, but he's much more polished coming out.
RE: I am not saying Jones won't be a good player Â
As a Jones fan, I cant see them taking him at 6....I just cant. Gotta explore a trade down if Q, Allen, Oliver are all gone. But if they truly love Jones, we are in for a miserable year and a half on BBI.
I truly think they stay put and draft Hockenson or Dillard or Taylor.
On the other hand, if Murray goes #1 and Haskins goes somewhere else in the top 5, any illusions DG may have had about being able to wait until #17 for Jones go right out the window.
That would be some irony, wouldn't it? We all expect that the Giants would stay true to their board in that scenario, but it's not completely farfetched that the exact set of events that could push a blue chip defender to #6 would also serve to artificially inflate the demand side for QBs and force DJ to be picked earlier than projected.
On the other hand, if Murray goes #1 and Haskins goes somewhere else in the top 5, any illusions DG may have had about being able to wait until #17 for Jones go right out the window.
That would be some irony, wouldn't it? We all expect that the Giants would stay true to their board in that scenario, but it's not completely farfetched that the exact set of events that could push a blue chip defender to #6 would also serve to artificially inflate the demand side for QBs and force DJ to be picked earlier than projected.
predict that all the predictions are wrong because we are actually taking one of the following:
Bugs Bunny.
Elmer Fudd.
Daffy Duck.
Seriously? Did you see Fudd's 40 time? He is definitely going after Foghorn..
True.
Though Fudd is a good passer he operated mainly in the shotgun.
Not of fan of Foghorn, he has kind of a high cut and is weak in the legs and seat... someone would say he has chicken legs.
Daffy Ducks 3-cone sucks, and Bugs is really stiff in the hips. Can't make the turn in coverage. Give my Foghorn all day long, his power coming out of his stance is All-Pro like
On the other hand, if Murray goes #1 and Haskins goes somewhere else in the top 5, any illusions DG may have had about being able to wait until #17 for Jones go right out the window.
That would be some irony, wouldn't it? We all expect that the Giants would stay true to their board in that scenario, but it's not completely farfetched that the exact set of events that could push a blue chip defender to #6 would also serve to artificially inflate the demand side for QBs and force DJ to be picked earlier than projected.
So the exact opposite of what Gettleman and Mara said? Doubt it. They had years of bad drafting and bad drafting happens when you pass on better players for clearly worse players at areas of need. That is the reason we are draftinf near the top of the draft the last 4 years or so. So, you think we are going to revert back to the old way? No fuckin way. If they felt that way they'd say it publicly. Why would they say they are taking the best player available? That's because they know that is the best way to draft. I'm not getting into specifics on how need does factor in. Also, teams go through many different situations prior to the draft. The earlier you pick the less potential outcomes so all of this has been discussed. They aren't going to be panicking if 2 or 3 QBs go off the board in the top 5 picks. In fact, they'll probably be jumping up and down with joy.
I would love to hear them break down these QB prospects, know what they really think. We will never know but it would be great to have that insight and let that help inform the reaction.
IF Jones goes #6 I think this website will be straight chaos for a while. I don’t know how I feel, he seems like a good hard working kid but I would love it if he were more naturally gifted. I heard Daniel Jeremiah describe his floor as Ryan Tannehill and his ceiling as Matt Ryan. I could live with Matt Ryan obviously.
He wouldn't "REACH" for Darnold or Rosen at 2 last year -- which wouldn't have been much of a reach, but all of the sudden he WILL REACH this year for a guy who's biggest proponents say he's a mid 1st round talent AT BEST, and others have him way lower?
You might make the case at 17 (and I wouldn't)
If Jones is THE BEST GUY ON THIER BOARD at 6, there's something dreadfully wrong with their scouting.
On the other hand, if Murray goes #1 and Haskins goes somewhere else in the top 5, any illusions DG may have had about being able to wait until #17 for Jones go right out the window.
That would be some irony, wouldn't it? We all expect that the Giants would stay true to their board in that scenario, but it's not completely farfetched that the exact set of events that could push a blue chip defender to #6 would also serve to artificially inflate the demand side for QBs and force DJ to be picked earlier than projected.
So the exact opposite of what Gettleman and Mara said? Doubt it. They had years of bad drafting and bad drafting happens when you pass on better players for clearly worse players at areas of need. That is the reason we are draftinf near the top of the draft the last 4 years or so. So, you think we are going to revert back to the old way? No fuckin way. If they felt that way they'd say it publicly. Why would they say they are taking the best player available? That's because they know that is the best way to draft. I'm not getting into specifics on how need does factor in. Also, teams go through many different situations prior to the draft. The earlier you pick the less potential outcomes so all of this has been discussed. They aren't going to be panicking if 2 or 3 QBs go off the board in the top 5 picks. In fact, they'll probably be jumping up and down with joy.
Oh, I don't think that they'd shift gears in that scenario. I even said that we'd all expect them to stick to their board; that includes me. I'm just saying that the sequence of events that pushes a blue chipper to the Giants also has the unintended consequence of creating a bit of QB scarcity. It's easier to wait on a prospect like Jones if you think that he's probably the 3rd or 4th QB on many teams' boards. It gets more difficult with each QB that's picked.
That said, if they DO somehow take Jones (or any QB) at #6 with one or more of those blue chippers on the board, there really can't be any doubting that they had conviction on the guy, for better or worse.
it would be odd if we passed on QB at 2 last year, and then took one at 6 last year who appears to be a lesser prospect. That would make many latch on to the idea that Gettleman is sort of throwing shit at the wall here
it would be odd if we passed on QB at 2 last year, and then took one at 6 last year who appears to be a lesser prospect. That would make many latch on to the idea that Gettleman is sort of throwing shit at the wall here
There's no Barkley in this draft. That's the most significant YOY variance, IMO.
I'd be extremely upset w Jones at 6 but I think its funny how sometimes the order of transactions governs the reaction.
Exhibit A: If the OBJ trade was:
OBJ
OV
for
Zeitel
Peppers
the 17th pick
the 95th pick
instead of a disjointed version of that, i think people would have been less upset.
If RD1 tomorrow turns out to be Wilkins at 6 and Jones at 17, I think Giant fans will be somewhat less likely to jump out windows than if the reverse order.
After listening it left me wondering if the Giants, who have 12 picks, wouldn't be better off picking 2 or 3 QBs in this draft.
I think one of the really interesting developments in recent years was the Redskins taking both RG3 and Cousins in the same draft. In the end that approach worked out for them...they ended up covered at QB for 6 years despite losing one to injury and general incompetence.
Would the Giants be well served to, say, draft Finley and Stidham both?
I'd be extremely upset w Jones at 6 but I think its funny how sometimes the order of transactions governs the reaction.
Exhibit A: If the OBJ trade was:
OBJ
OV
for
Zeitel
Peppers
the 17th pick
the 95th pick
instead of a disjointed version of that, i think people would have been less upset.
If RD1 tomorrow turns out to be Wilkins at 6 and Jones at 17, I think Giant fans will be somewhat less likely to jump out windows than if the reverse order.
of posts sort of assume that people know more than actual evaluators:
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That would literally fly in the face of everything DG has said
David B. : 3:24 pm : link : reply
AND lived last year.
He wouldn't "REACH" for Darnold or Rosen at 2 last year -- which wouldn't have been much of a reach, but all of the sudden he WILL REACH this year for a guy who's biggest proponents say he's a mid 1st round talent AT BEST, and others have him way lower?
You might make the case at 17 (and I wouldn't)
If Jones is THE BEST GUY ON THIER BOARD at 6, there's something dreadfully wrong with their scouting.
Killing any prospect and determining whose board is right or wrong is the part that is "throwing shit on the wall" to quote another comment.
Jones is going to be a polarizing guy to rate because his team was dogshit.
Glad I won't be watching the draft with you.
Why would they cut him. We still need a backup and he can always sell the number away.
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but if Josh Allen or Q Williams is siting there and we take Jones I will shit my pants.
Glad I won't be watching the draft with you.
Could be gif of the year
I think this is EXACTLY whats going on.
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and then they give him # 17 .. lol
Why would they cut him. We still need a backup and he can always sell the number away.
With the sense that the Giants are not so pleased with KL and if Jones would be the pick I would like to think he would be the backup with Tanney.
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predict that all the predictions are wrong because we are actually taking one of the following:
Bugs Bunny.
Elmer Fudd.
Daffy Duck.
Seriously? Did you see Fudd's 40 time? He is definitely going after Foghorn..
True.
Though Fudd is a good passer he operated mainly in the shotgun.
Not of fan of Foghorn, he has kind of a high cut and is weak in the legs and seat... someone would say he has chicken legs.
This post would win the internet for the day, except you referred to his seat, instead of his bubble.... Scouting is performed by a close knit group of pros, and they don't take well to non gay sounding references to players body parts....
I'm assuming that's from his higher ups but look at the topics he writes on/the headlines they use and how he sources certain things.
Omg!
Oh my god....
I've thought from the very beginning the Giants would have to trade up for Jones. Here we go. He is a lot closer to Carson Wentz than people are giving him credit for. Big tough hard-nosed dude who can run. He doesn't have the arm Wentz does, but he's much more polished coming out.
A: The value might be too good for what? If we have a QB rated in the first round, we love him.
This tells me they take a QB at 6 or if need be move up if they identified a QB they love.
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but if Josh Allen or Q Williams is siting there and we take Jones I will shit my pants.
Hi, I'm Carl and I'm pissed
Omg!
As a Jones fan, I cant see them taking him at 6....I just cant. Gotta explore a trade down if Q, Allen, Oliver are all gone. But if they truly love Jones, we are in for a miserable year and a half on BBI.
I truly think they stay put and draft Hockenson or Dillard or Taylor.
Omg!
And we take a punter
SMOKEEEEEEE
Smokey, this isn't Vietnam, this is bowling. There are rules.
Give him #13.
I count Q. Williams, N. Bosa, and J. Allen as "Blue chip" defenders.
Who's left at 6 that you consider Blue Chip?
On the other hand, if Murray goes #1 and Haskins goes somewhere else in the top 5, any illusions DG may have had about being able to wait until #17 for Jones go right out the window.
That would be some irony, wouldn't it? We all expect that the Giants would stay true to their board in that scenario, but it's not completely farfetched that the exact set of events that could push a blue chip defender to #6 would also serve to artificially inflate the demand side for QBs and force DJ to be picked earlier than projected.
Let's call them top targets rather than blue chips.
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pushes a blue chip defender to #6.
On the other hand, if Murray goes #1 and Haskins goes somewhere else in the top 5, any illusions DG may have had about being able to wait until #17 for Jones go right out the window.
That would be some irony, wouldn't it? We all expect that the Giants would stay true to their board in that scenario, but it's not completely farfetched that the exact set of events that could push a blue chip defender to #6 would also serve to artificially inflate the demand side for QBs and force DJ to be picked earlier than projected.
Yep but I'd be ok with it.
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predict that all the predictions are wrong because we are actually taking one of the following:
Bugs Bunny.
Elmer Fudd.
Daffy Duck.
Seriously? Did you see Fudd's 40 time? He is definitely going after Foghorn..
True.
Though Fudd is a good passer he operated mainly in the shotgun.
Not of fan of Foghorn, he has kind of a high cut and is weak in the legs and seat... someone would say he has chicken legs.
Daffy Ducks 3-cone sucks, and Bugs is really stiff in the hips. Can't make the turn in coverage. Give my Foghorn all day long, his power coming out of his stance is All-Pro like
He says he cant see them waiting till 17 to get him. That more than likely implies a move from 17 back to 9 or so to grab the QB they want.
Ralph says 6 because now everybody is linking his article and clicking on his page.
Unnamed source and molding the words in his favor...typical.
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pushes a blue chip defender to #6.
On the other hand, if Murray goes #1 and Haskins goes somewhere else in the top 5, any illusions DG may have had about being able to wait until #17 for Jones go right out the window.
That would be some irony, wouldn't it? We all expect that the Giants would stay true to their board in that scenario, but it's not completely farfetched that the exact set of events that could push a blue chip defender to #6 would also serve to artificially inflate the demand side for QBs and force DJ to be picked earlier than projected.
So the exact opposite of what Gettleman and Mara said? Doubt it. They had years of bad drafting and bad drafting happens when you pass on better players for clearly worse players at areas of need. That is the reason we are draftinf near the top of the draft the last 4 years or so. So, you think we are going to revert back to the old way? No fuckin way. If they felt that way they'd say it publicly. Why would they say they are taking the best player available? That's because they know that is the best way to draft. I'm not getting into specifics on how need does factor in. Also, teams go through many different situations prior to the draft. The earlier you pick the less potential outcomes so all of this has been discussed. They aren't going to be panicking if 2 or 3 QBs go off the board in the top 5 picks. In fact, they'll probably be jumping up and down with joy.
IF Jones goes #6 I think this website will be straight chaos for a while. I don’t know how I feel, he seems like a good hard working kid but I would love it if he were more naturally gifted. I heard Daniel Jeremiah describe his floor as Ryan Tannehill and his ceiling as Matt Ryan. I could live with Matt Ryan obviously.
He wouldn't "REACH" for Darnold or Rosen at 2 last year -- which wouldn't have been much of a reach, but all of the sudden he WILL REACH this year for a guy who's biggest proponents say he's a mid 1st round talent AT BEST, and others have him way lower?
You might make the case at 17 (and I wouldn't)
If Jones is THE BEST GUY ON THIER BOARD at 6, there's something dreadfully wrong with their scouting.
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pushes a blue chip defender to #6.
On the other hand, if Murray goes #1 and Haskins goes somewhere else in the top 5, any illusions DG may have had about being able to wait until #17 for Jones go right out the window.
That would be some irony, wouldn't it? We all expect that the Giants would stay true to their board in that scenario, but it's not completely farfetched that the exact set of events that could push a blue chip defender to #6 would also serve to artificially inflate the demand side for QBs and force DJ to be picked earlier than projected.
So the exact opposite of what Gettleman and Mara said? Doubt it. They had years of bad drafting and bad drafting happens when you pass on better players for clearly worse players at areas of need. That is the reason we are draftinf near the top of the draft the last 4 years or so. So, you think we are going to revert back to the old way? No fuckin way. If they felt that way they'd say it publicly. Why would they say they are taking the best player available? That's because they know that is the best way to draft. I'm not getting into specifics on how need does factor in. Also, teams go through many different situations prior to the draft. The earlier you pick the less potential outcomes so all of this has been discussed. They aren't going to be panicking if 2 or 3 QBs go off the board in the top 5 picks. In fact, they'll probably be jumping up and down with joy.
Oh, I don't think that they'd shift gears in that scenario. I even said that we'd all expect them to stick to their board; that includes me. I'm just saying that the sequence of events that pushes a blue chipper to the Giants also has the unintended consequence of creating a bit of QB scarcity. It's easier to wait on a prospect like Jones if you think that he's probably the 3rd or 4th QB on many teams' boards. It gets more difficult with each QB that's picked.
That said, if they DO somehow take Jones (or any QB) at #6 with one or more of those blue chippers on the board, there really can't be any doubting that they had conviction on the guy, for better or worse.
There's no Barkley in this draft. That's the most significant YOY variance, IMO.
No guts, no glory!
Exhibit A: If the OBJ trade was:
OBJ
OV
for
Zeitel
Peppers
the 17th pick
the 95th pick
instead of a disjointed version of that, i think people would have been less upset.
If RD1 tomorrow turns out to be Wilkins at 6 and Jones at 17, I think Giant fans will be somewhat less likely to jump out windows than if the reverse order.
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would be bad drafting and against DG philosophy
No guts, no glory!
I think one of the really interesting developments in recent years was the Redskins taking both RG3 and Cousins in the same draft. In the end that approach worked out for them...they ended up covered at QB for 6 years despite losing one to injury and general incompetence.
Would the Giants be well served to, say, draft Finley and Stidham both?
Exhibit A: If the OBJ trade was:
OBJ
OV
for
Zeitel
Peppers
the 17th pick
the 95th pick
instead of a disjointed version of that, i think people would have been less upset.
If RD1 tomorrow turns out to be Wilkins at 6 and Jones at 17, I think Giant fans will be somewhat less likely to jump out windows than if the reverse order.
That's actually a great point.
But wait until it's Jones at #6 and Gary at #17!
David B. : 3:24 pm : link : reply
AND lived last year.
He wouldn't "REACH" for Darnold or Rosen at 2 last year -- which wouldn't have been much of a reach, but all of the sudden he WILL REACH this year for a guy who's biggest proponents say he's a mid 1st round talent AT BEST, and others have him way lower?
You might make the case at 17 (and I wouldn't)
If Jones is THE BEST GUY ON THIER BOARD at 6, there's something dreadfully wrong with their scouting.
Killing any prospect and determining whose board is right or wrong is the part that is "throwing shit on the wall" to quote another comment.
Jones is going to be a polarizing guy to rate because his team was dogshit.