Kim reported earlier tonight that half the people she's talked to are convinced the Giants will draft a QB at #6 and half are convinced they will take a defensive player.
She said that the Giants are doing a good job of hiding their true intentions.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
You can lose the attitude tough guy, it was a genuine question.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
“High enough” and “least bust factor” is not what i want from a 6th overall pick ...
I'll never get this whole if you like him at #17 take him at #6... Â
...you guys never take a math class? Umm 6 is higher correct? So it take an entire year for our scouting staff and DG to actually rank the players and develop the Draft board...but NO he's a QB take him at #6 even if we have 10 guys rated higher? That makes no sense.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
“High enough” and “least bust factor” is not what i want from a 6th overall pick ...
For a QB it can be. You want a top decision maker with a strong enough arm who can process quickly and execute. An anticipatory thrower. He is all those things. Super quick release too.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
I think Haskins's upside is tremendous. When you factor in that he played one year of college ball and improved that much from game to game, it gives me comfort.
Obviously, playing QB in the NFL has a lot to do with going through progressions and making reads. It was why Pennington was successful even though he had a noodle for an arm. Of course, you want a QB who is going to be able to sling it and fit the ball into the tight windows as well. Haskins offers that.
I just don't see Lock as that guy. With Jones, the issues are more than just accuracy; it's also ball placement. Think about a pitcher throwing strikes. It's not enough to just throw strikes - you have to locate the ball properly. Too often Jones threw slants and other short passes to his WR's back hip, which stopped them from being able to run after the catch. That is a huge issue, particularly when the QB is supposed to be mechanically sound and well coached.
RE: I'll never get this whole if you like him at #17 take him at #6... Â
...you guys never take a math class? Umm 6 is higher correct? So it take an entire year for our scouting staff and DG to actually rank the players and develop the Draft board...but NO he's a QB take him at #6 even if we have 10 guys rated higher? That makes no sense.
Because the draft is about actually getting the players you like. If you like Haskins, and he won't be there at 17, then you have two options: 1) select him at 6; or 2) offer up additional draft capital to move up and secure him with your second pick. They went through this on NFL Network today as well - if you love a QB, you don't get cute with it. No pick is too high to select your guy.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
I think Haskins's upside is tremendous. When you factor in that he played one year of college ball and improved that much from game to game, it gives me comfort.
Obviously, playing QB in the NFL has a lot to do with going through progressions and making reads. It was why Pennington was successful even though he had a noodle for an arm. Of course, you want a QB who is going to be able to sling it and fit the ball into the tight windows as well. Haskins offers that.
I just don't see Lock as that guy. With Jones, the issues are more than just accuracy; it's also ball placement. Think about a pitcher throwing strikes. It's not enough to just throw strikes - you have to locate the ball properly. Too often Jones threw slants and other short passes to his WR's back hip, which stopped them from being able to run after the catch. That is a huge issue, particularly when the QB is supposed to be mechanically sound and well coached.
This is exactly right and what I tell my son who is a pitcher and QB. Precision accuracy vs. general accuracy. He is the most consistent in this area of all the QBs though Murray has quite an amazing touch too.
'the draft is about actually getting the players you like'... Â
The Draft is about taking the best players available. If those aren't the guys you ranked on your Draft board then you're a dysfunctional staff. That's what we dealt with with Reese and Ross. DG is cut from a different cloth. IF he takes a QB at #6 it will be because he's ranked equally with the other prospects available. He's told us that many, many times now. The only question left is why you guys don't believe him haha.
RE: 'the draft is about actually getting the players you like'... Â
The Draft is about taking the best players available. If those aren't the guys you ranked on your Draft board then you're a dysfunctional staff. That's what we dealt with with Reese and Ross. DG is cut from a different cloth. IF he takes a QB at #6 it will be because he's ranked equally with the other prospects available. He's told us that many, many times now. The only question left is why you guys don't believe him haha.
Lol. Yes sir. Which is why if Allen or Q not there it could get interesting though JT thinks we'd probably go Wilkins at that point.
RE: RE: 'the draft is about actually getting the players you like'... Â
The Draft is about taking the best players available. If those aren't the guys you ranked on your Draft board then you're a dysfunctional staff. That's what we dealt with with Reese and Ross. DG is cut from a different cloth. IF he takes a QB at #6 it will be because he's ranked equally with the other prospects available. He's told us that many, many times now. The only question left is why you guys don't believe him haha.
Lol. Yes sir. Which is why if Allen or Q not there it could get interesting though JT thinks we'd probably go Wilkins at that point.
Look, the asshats have their info. I have my beliefs. This morning, people were reporting that Washington was looking to move into the top 5 to draft Haskins. This afternoon, the Giants leak through Vacchiano their interest in Jones. Now why would they do that? I have my thoughts.
In any event, I will continue to HOPE FOR HASKINS!
RE: 'the draft is about actually getting the players you like'... Â
The Draft is about taking the best players available. If those aren't the guys you ranked on your Draft board then you're a dysfunctional staff. That's what we dealt with with Reese and Ross. DG is cut from a different cloth. IF he takes a QB at #6 it will be because he's ranked equally with the other prospects available. He's told us that many, many times now. The only question left is why you guys don't believe him haha.
The roster as currently constructed screams pass rusher at #6 whether it be a DL or ER. Of course that assessment is based on the assumption that the Giants believe that is their number one need and that there will be a considerable drop off in pass rushing talent at #17.
I’ve seen nothing this off season that convinces me that any of these QBs are worthy of a top 6 pick. I’m not sure what has changed in the last two weeks, other than the usual hype before the draft, to explain this.
I'm not a college football expert, but when Jones started becoming a more realistic option I began looking at his youtube highlights.
Jones looks VERY athletic. I saw quite a few plays that looked like designed runs and not just sneaks. He had one that looked like a 50+ yard run.
Was Eli ever that athletic? Jones seems like he can move the pocket, were those plays just outliers?
he doesn't seem that much like Eli to me.
He is more athletic than Eli. He ran a different offense than Eli and is not as good of a deep ball thrower or have as much arm strength. His physique is similar to Eli, he looks slightly like Eli and he was taught footwork, fundamentals and reads like Eli and Peyton were taught by Cut (no one was as good as Peyton though). Also, his personality is viewed as being similar to Eli -- smart, respectful, won't rock the boat, etc. But I'll agree that the comparisons with Eli and Peyton are far overblown and would not exist if he wasn't coached by Cutcliffe.
I’d counter that teams don’t just wait to take a QB at 17 if someone is there. If they have such a conviction on any of these guys, they should go get them.
Yes, remember when Gettleman said last year that in order to take a QB at the top of the draft, you have to love him, otherwise you'll be second guessing yourself and regretting it? So that was partially his reason for passing on Rosen, Darnold, Allen and taking Barkley. Yes he thought Barkley was too good to pass up, but he also said at many points that if you love a QB, you gotta take him. He didn't take one, so he didn't love him.
Now he's saying that if he has a first round grade on a QB, he "loves" him, even if he passes him with the 6th pick. His rationales are totally inconsistent--essentially BS rationales being used to justify passing on a QB at 6 but possibly taking one at 17. I couldn't disagree more with that rationale. If you think a QB is really a franchise QB and that good, you take him at 6 because you have him ranked that highly and you "love" him. Otherwise, don't take a QB at all, because if you pass him at 6 but are willing to take him at 17 or trade up a bit for him from 17, that's not loving him. That's -- we like him but can live just fine without him if he's gone and we're really not sure how good he is or if we really want him.
...this is how 'teams' with QB's like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson get rings. They drafted the right players almost everytime.
There's some truth to that, but go check out the Bucs and Ravens records in the few years after their super bowls. Notice the generally substantial drop off in their records? That's because those teams were built on great defenses (from excellent drafting), but great defenses (as much as I love them) do not stay together for many years in the modern NFL because of free agency and, even if they do manage to stay together for a couple years, one or more of those defenders who were great in the super bowl year will be past his prime the following year and the year after that, and the defense will not be as good anymore. Look at the Jaguars as a recent example. In the AFC Championship 2 years ago with a great defense. This past year they end up with the 7th pick in the draft. Same players on defense, inconsistently bad QB. Yes, Fournette was injured for part of the year this year too, but the Jaguars D wasn't as good as the year before and, without a stabilizing force at QB, the team tanked. That's the modern NFL.
I’d counter that teams don’t just wait to take a QB at 17 if someone is there. If they have such a conviction on any of these guys, they should go get them.
Yes, remember when Gettleman said last year that in order to take a QB at the top of the draft, you have to love him, otherwise you'll be second guessing yourself and regretting it? So that was partially his reason for passing on Rosen, Darnold, Allen and taking Barkley. Yes he thought Barkley was too good to pass up, but he also said at many points that if you love a QB, you gotta take him. He didn't take one, so he didn't love him.
Now he's saying that if he has a first round grade on a QB, he "loves" him, even if he passes him with the 6th pick. His rationales are totally inconsistent--essentially BS rationales being used to justify passing on a QB at 6 but possibly taking one at 17. I couldn't disagree more with that rationale. If you think a QB is really a franchise QB and that good, you take him at 6 because you have him ranked that highly and you "love" him. Otherwise, don't take a QB at all, because if you pass him at 6 but are willing to take him at 17 or trade up a bit for him from 17, that's not loving him. That's -- we like him but can live just fine without him if he's gone and we're really not sure how good he is or if we really want him.
This analysis is spot on. If they pass on a QB at 6, it is almost certainly indicative of the fact that they did not love the guy. The only exception could be that a guy like Bosa or Quinnen falls, and those guys are ranked so highly that they simply cannot pass on them for a QB.
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I don’t know if it’s 6, but he makes sense. Based on what Mara, Gettleman & Eli have all said re: a young QB. Jones seems to fit the offense. Would be a seamless transition from Eli. I’m okay with it.
If seamless transition = plug a guy who looks like Eli in, then yea, Jones will achieve that.
I think people would notice if we try to put Haskins in. He is not an Eli lookalike.
Draft is deep on defense = we take defense later. I like Jones, but QB at 6 sucks.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, especially if you take Gettleman for his word and not forcing a pick.
That said, most of the people I've checked in with say they like Jones. But NO ONE has been prepared to say they like him at #6. (They all hedge their bets on that).
What I do keep hearing is they love a number of defensive guys.
Its obvious don't kid yourself
I’m starting to think the Giants have thrown enough Â
Misinformation out there that people desperate for a QB are going to try and jump them which will push a top DL prospect down to them at 6. It’s intentional.
...this is how 'teams' with QB's like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson get rings. They drafted the right players almost everytime.
There's some truth to that, but go check out the Bucs and Ravens records in the few years after their super bowls. Notice the generally substantial drop off in their records? That's because those teams were built on great defenses (from excellent drafting), but great defenses (as much as I love them) do not stay together for many years in the modern NFL because of free agency and, even if they do manage to stay together for a couple years, one or more of those defenders who were great in the super bowl year will be past his prime the following year and the year after that, and the defense will not be as good anymore. Look at the Jaguars as a recent example. In the AFC Championship 2 years ago with a great defense. This past year they end up with the 7th pick in the draft. Same players on defense, inconsistently bad QB. Yes, Fournette was injured for part of the year this year too, but the Jaguars D wasn't as good as the year before and, without a stabilizing force at QB, the team tanked. That's the modern NFL.
Danny’s 100% spot on. It’s much harder to maintain continuous success relying on a defense rather than a franchise QB. Defensive play usually doesn’t translate year to year minus a few outliers
...just one side note about Haskins. Coach Pat Shurmur mentioned awhile ago a crucial aspect to the QB position, which, on the one hand, was not a direct swipe at Eli; but, on the other hand, was an obvious aspect to Eli's game that is simply missing.
In so many words, while Shurmur doesn't want a QB who can scramble and run all over the place, he feels very strongly that there certain crucial times in a game where a QB just has to make a first down with his legs because there is no other option.
That ain't Haskins' game.
(As an aside, my guess is that the Giants go Haskins if he's there at 6).
So Eli won’t be upset? So fans won’t clamor for Jones to play in ‘19?
At 6? Really?
Ugh, if it must happen, let it happen. If he bombs the sooner this regime is shown the door.
Jim, I agree that a Giants selection of their next quarterback should have nothing to do with Eli. They should not be worried about a quarterback controversy, or the chemistry between the new guy and Eli.
Is A Daniel Jones selection the one pick that will reinforce your belief that Eli is a factor?
The Giants aren't selecting any QB based on how he fits with Eli Â
I’d counter that teams don’t just wait to take a QB at 17 if someone is there. If they have such a conviction on any of these guys, they should go get them.
Yes, remember when Gettleman said last year that in order to take a QB at the top of the draft, you have to love him, otherwise you'll be second guessing yourself and regretting it? So that was partially his reason for passing on Rosen, Darnold, Allen and taking Barkley. Yes he thought Barkley was too good to pass up, but he also said at many points that if you love a QB, you gotta take him. He didn't take one, so he didn't love him.
Now he's saying that if he has a first round grade on a QB, he "loves" him, even if he passes him with the 6th pick. His rationales are totally inconsistent--essentially BS rationales being used to justify passing on a QB at 6 but possibly taking one at 17. I couldn't disagree more with that rationale. If you think a QB is really a franchise QB and that good, you take him at 6 because you have him ranked that highly and you "love" him. Otherwise, don't take a QB at all, because if you pass him at 6 but are willing to take him at 17 or trade up a bit for him from 17, that's not loving him. That's -- we like him but can live just fine without him if he's gone and we're really not sure how good he is or if we really want him.
So you are saying, if you have a QB ranked #17 on your board and some other team has that QB ranked higher, you select the QB rather than the player you like better because of some other team's board?
I get the QB may have more value, but all that does is move him up on your board. You don't go rating players based on what other teams might do.
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Build the team with the best players. Since the QB is the lesser of not only all the potential picks (both 6 and 17 and probably 37 for that matter) but also of the 2020Qb's, the smart move is get the best players now and the best QB next year.
Its so obvious that based on the "lack of talking about" theory Â
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I'm not a college football expert, but when Jones started becoming a more realistic option I began looking at his youtube highlights.
Jones looks VERY athletic. I saw quite a few plays that looked like designed runs and not just sneaks. He had one that looked like a 50+ yard run.
Was Eli ever that athletic? Jones seems like he can move the pocket, were those plays just outliers?
he doesn't seem that much like Eli to me. /////
Agreed. Both cerebral QBs but different physical attributes or abilities.
shhh, don't tell Ira, who believes Jones is slower, less mobile than Eli (:
If the Giants are truly following the Best Player Available concept, then I can't see them bypassing a strong defensive prospect for a QB in this particular class at #6.
If the Giants are truly following the Best Player Available concept, then I can't see them bypassing a strong defensive prospect for a QB in this particular class at #6.
This is going to be a loooong day.
THIS. Gettleman has been adamant about this. You reach for a qb you get in trouble. BPA all day.
Build the team with the best players. Since the QB is the lesser of not only all the potential picks (both 6 and 17 and probably 37 for that matter) but also of the 2020Qb's, the smart move is get the best players now and the best QB next year.
Im hearing the exact same still. D at 6 and lock or Jones at 17 if there.
Lock and Jones will be gone by #17. Will the Giants trade up to get either? I don't think so, unless the cost is just a few day three picks.
Acid, I’m guessing you’re right on the trade up. DJ indicate he thought the draft was loaded through the 4th round, I don’t see him giving up those picks lightly.
I have not been a proponent of drafting Haskins with the sixth pick.
My problem with him is as follows;
Contrary to what I have heard he does not seem to have an exceptional arm. His arm is OK. He has great touch and anticipation. But, he does not throw with velocity and the ball takes a while to get to the receiver.
I know that arm strength is overrated but, he puts a lot of air on his deep throws and sideline patterns.
These throws will work in college but not in the NFL.
Haskins is not a great athlete. Some people compare him to big Ben. Ben when he came out ran a 4:75 forty at the combine, and was timed as fast as 4.69.
Haskins does extend plays and can make some short yardage runs, but, he is not the newer version RPO type of QB.
When Haskins is pressured he does not perform to his statistics. He does slide well in the pocket and can avoid pressure. But on the rare occasions when he was pressured, he looked human. OSU had one of the worst records within the redzone. Much of this is due to Haskins feeling pressure and unloading to a short outlet.
The QB has to be the leader of the team. I am concerned that Haskins was not in shape for the Combine or for that matter his pro day. I do not know Haskins, but, I am concerned that he came unprepared to his greatest job interview. There is no excuse for running a 5:04 forty and not participating in the other drills. I heard that he may have tweaked his hamstring, well then to dispel any doubts you do what Oliver did and wow everyone with a complete workout at your pro day.
I am not a fan of statistics as statistics can be interpreted to prove a position. Haskins had arguably one of the greatest College football seasons ever for a QB.
But, this cannot be viewed in a vacuum. OSU played a very easy schedule. The schedule included Tulane, Rutgers, Oregon State, TCU, Penn. State, Indiana, Minn., Purdue, Nebraska, Mich. State, Maryland. Mich., North Western , and Washington. I am a Tulane alum. and played FB/RB for them. So I took a particular interest in that game. Tulane was a bad team beaten into a pulp by a far superior OSU team. This was indicative of most of OSU's games. They were heavily favored in every game they played. The question came up and I believe that it is fair, how would Haskins have fared if he played for Duke?
What I can say emphatically is that he would not have had 50 tds. and he would not be considered for the sixth pick.
I happen to like Haskins as a player and person, but, I do not believe that he is worthy of the 6th pick.
I think that Haskins at the end of the first round would be good value. I also would hate Jones, Lock, for the sixth pick. I do not believe that there is a QB, other than possibly Murray, that I would draft with the sixth pick.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
she knows just as much as we do.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
You can lose the attitude tough guy, it was a genuine question.
Glad he’s a film junkie, good to know. .
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
“High enough” and “least bust factor” is not what i want from a 6th overall pick ...
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
“High enough” and “least bust factor” is not what i want from a 6th overall pick ...
For a QB it can be. You want a top decision maker with a strong enough arm who can process quickly and execute. An anticipatory thrower. He is all those things. Super quick release too.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
I think Haskins's upside is tremendous. When you factor in that he played one year of college ball and improved that much from game to game, it gives me comfort.
Obviously, playing QB in the NFL has a lot to do with going through progressions and making reads. It was why Pennington was successful even though he had a noodle for an arm. Of course, you want a QB who is going to be able to sling it and fit the ball into the tight windows as well. Haskins offers that.
I just don't see Lock as that guy. With Jones, the issues are more than just accuracy; it's also ball placement. Think about a pitcher throwing strikes. It's not enough to just throw strikes - you have to locate the ball properly. Too often Jones threw slants and other short passes to his WR's back hip, which stopped them from being able to run after the catch. That is a huge issue, particularly when the QB is supposed to be mechanically sound and well coached.
Because the draft is about actually getting the players you like. If you like Haskins, and he won't be there at 17, then you have two options: 1) select him at 6; or 2) offer up additional draft capital to move up and secure him with your second pick. They went through this on NFL Network today as well - if you love a QB, you don't get cute with it. No pick is too high to select your guy.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
I think Haskins's upside is tremendous. When you factor in that he played one year of college ball and improved that much from game to game, it gives me comfort.
Obviously, playing QB in the NFL has a lot to do with going through progressions and making reads. It was why Pennington was successful even though he had a noodle for an arm. Of course, you want a QB who is going to be able to sling it and fit the ball into the tight windows as well. Haskins offers that.
I just don't see Lock as that guy. With Jones, the issues are more than just accuracy; it's also ball placement. Think about a pitcher throwing strikes. It's not enough to just throw strikes - you have to locate the ball properly. Too often Jones threw slants and other short passes to his WR's back hip, which stopped them from being able to run after the catch. That is a huge issue, particularly when the QB is supposed to be mechanically sound and well coached.
This is exactly right and what I tell my son who is a pitcher and QB. Precision accuracy vs. general accuracy. He is the most consistent in this area of all the QBs though Murray has quite an amazing touch too.
Lol. Yes sir. Which is why if Allen or Q not there it could get interesting though JT thinks we'd probably go Wilkins at that point.
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The Draft is about taking the best players available. If those aren't the guys you ranked on your Draft board then you're a dysfunctional staff. That's what we dealt with with Reese and Ross. DG is cut from a different cloth. IF he takes a QB at #6 it will be because he's ranked equally with the other prospects available. He's told us that many, many times now. The only question left is why you guys don't believe him haha.
Lol. Yes sir. Which is why if Allen or Q not there it could get interesting though JT thinks we'd probably go Wilkins at that point.
Look, the asshats have their info. I have my beliefs. This morning, people were reporting that Washington was looking to move into the top 5 to draft Haskins. This afternoon, the Giants leak through Vacchiano their interest in Jones. Now why would they do that? I have my thoughts.
In any event, I will continue to HOPE FOR HASKINS!
At some point, position matters.
I’ve seen nothing this off season that convinces me that any of these QBs are worthy of a top 6 pick. I’m not sure what has changed in the last two weeks, other than the usual hype before the draft, to explain this.
Jones looks VERY athletic. I saw quite a few plays that looked like designed runs and not just sneaks. He had one that looked like a 50+ yard run.
Was Eli ever that athletic? Jones seems like he can move the pocket, were those plays just outliers?
he doesn't seem that much like Eli to me.
He is more athletic than Eli. He ran a different offense than Eli and is not as good of a deep ball thrower or have as much arm strength. His physique is similar to Eli, he looks slightly like Eli and he was taught footwork, fundamentals and reads like Eli and Peyton were taught by Cut (no one was as good as Peyton though). Also, his personality is viewed as being similar to Eli -- smart, respectful, won't rock the boat, etc. But I'll agree that the comparisons with Eli and Peyton are far overblown and would not exist if he wasn't coached by Cutcliffe.
Yes, remember when Gettleman said last year that in order to take a QB at the top of the draft, you have to love him, otherwise you'll be second guessing yourself and regretting it? So that was partially his reason for passing on Rosen, Darnold, Allen and taking Barkley. Yes he thought Barkley was too good to pass up, but he also said at many points that if you love a QB, you gotta take him. He didn't take one, so he didn't love him.
Now he's saying that if he has a first round grade on a QB, he "loves" him, even if he passes him with the 6th pick. His rationales are totally inconsistent--essentially BS rationales being used to justify passing on a QB at 6 but possibly taking one at 17. I couldn't disagree more with that rationale. If you think a QB is really a franchise QB and that good, you take him at 6 because you have him ranked that highly and you "love" him. Otherwise, don't take a QB at all, because if you pass him at 6 but are willing to take him at 17 or trade up a bit for him from 17, that's not loving him. That's -- we like him but can live just fine without him if he's gone and we're really not sure how good he is or if we really want him.
There's some truth to that, but go check out the Bucs and Ravens records in the few years after their super bowls. Notice the generally substantial drop off in their records? That's because those teams were built on great defenses (from excellent drafting), but great defenses (as much as I love them) do not stay together for many years in the modern NFL because of free agency and, even if they do manage to stay together for a couple years, one or more of those defenders who were great in the super bowl year will be past his prime the following year and the year after that, and the defense will not be as good anymore. Look at the Jaguars as a recent example. In the AFC Championship 2 years ago with a great defense. This past year they end up with the 7th pick in the draft. Same players on defense, inconsistently bad QB. Yes, Fournette was injured for part of the year this year too, but the Jaguars D wasn't as good as the year before and, without a stabilizing force at QB, the team tanked. That's the modern NFL.
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I’d counter that teams don’t just wait to take a QB at 17 if someone is there. If they have such a conviction on any of these guys, they should go get them.
Yes, remember when Gettleman said last year that in order to take a QB at the top of the draft, you have to love him, otherwise you'll be second guessing yourself and regretting it? So that was partially his reason for passing on Rosen, Darnold, Allen and taking Barkley. Yes he thought Barkley was too good to pass up, but he also said at many points that if you love a QB, you gotta take him. He didn't take one, so he didn't love him.
Now he's saying that if he has a first round grade on a QB, he "loves" him, even if he passes him with the 6th pick. His rationales are totally inconsistent--essentially BS rationales being used to justify passing on a QB at 6 but possibly taking one at 17. I couldn't disagree more with that rationale. If you think a QB is really a franchise QB and that good, you take him at 6 because you have him ranked that highly and you "love" him. Otherwise, don't take a QB at all, because if you pass him at 6 but are willing to take him at 17 or trade up a bit for him from 17, that's not loving him. That's -- we like him but can live just fine without him if he's gone and we're really not sure how good he is or if we really want him.
This analysis is spot on. If they pass on a QB at 6, it is almost certainly indicative of the fact that they did not love the guy. The only exception could be that a guy like Bosa or Quinnen falls, and those guys are ranked so highly that they simply cannot pass on them for a QB.
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I don’t know if it’s 6, but he makes sense. Based on what Mara, Gettleman & Eli have all said re: a young QB. Jones seems to fit the offense. Would be a seamless transition from Eli. I’m okay with it.
If seamless transition = plug a guy who looks like Eli in, then yea, Jones will achieve that.
I think people would notice if we try to put Haskins in. He is not an Eli lookalike.
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Draft is deep on defense = we take defense later. I like Jones, but QB at 6 sucks.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, especially if you take Gettleman for his word and not forcing a pick.
That said, most of the people I've checked in with say they like Jones. But NO ONE has been prepared to say they like him at #6. (They all hedge their bets on that).
What I do keep hearing is they love a number of defensive guys.
Its obvious don't kid yourself
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...this is how 'teams' with QB's like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson get rings. They drafted the right players almost everytime.
There's some truth to that, but go check out the Bucs and Ravens records in the few years after their super bowls. Notice the generally substantial drop off in their records? That's because those teams were built on great defenses (from excellent drafting), but great defenses (as much as I love them) do not stay together for many years in the modern NFL because of free agency and, even if they do manage to stay together for a couple years, one or more of those defenders who were great in the super bowl year will be past his prime the following year and the year after that, and the defense will not be as good anymore. Look at the Jaguars as a recent example. In the AFC Championship 2 years ago with a great defense. This past year they end up with the 7th pick in the draft. Same players on defense, inconsistently bad QB. Yes, Fournette was injured for part of the year this year too, but the Jaguars D wasn't as good as the year before and, without a stabilizing force at QB, the team tanked. That's the modern NFL.
Danny’s 100% spot on. It’s much harder to maintain continuous success relying on a defense rather than a franchise QB. Defensive play usually doesn’t translate year to year minus a few outliers
...just one side note about Haskins. Coach Pat Shurmur mentioned awhile ago a crucial aspect to the QB position, which, on the one hand, was not a direct swipe at Eli; but, on the other hand, was an obvious aspect to Eli's game that is simply missing.
In so many words, while Shurmur doesn't want a QB who can scramble and run all over the place, he feels very strongly that there certain crucial times in a game where a QB just has to make a first down with his legs because there is no other option.
That ain't Haskins' game.
(As an aside, my guess is that the Giants go Haskins if he's there at 6).
At 6? Really?
Ugh, if it must happen, let it happen. If he bombs the sooner this regime is shown the door.
Jim, I agree that a Giants selection of their next quarterback should have nothing to do with Eli. They should not be worried about a quarterback controversy, or the chemistry between the new guy and Eli.
Is A Daniel Jones selection the one pick that will reinforce your belief that Eli is a factor?
You people that post this nonsense and actually believe it crack me up.
I’m getting a little tired of hearing about this “QB conviction” and reaching high.
If you have three or four guys in same tier at a position, you can wait until 17.
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I’d counter that teams don’t just wait to take a QB at 17 if someone is there. If they have such a conviction on any of these guys, they should go get them.
Yes, remember when Gettleman said last year that in order to take a QB at the top of the draft, you have to love him, otherwise you'll be second guessing yourself and regretting it? So that was partially his reason for passing on Rosen, Darnold, Allen and taking Barkley. Yes he thought Barkley was too good to pass up, but he also said at many points that if you love a QB, you gotta take him. He didn't take one, so he didn't love him.
Now he's saying that if he has a first round grade on a QB, he "loves" him, even if he passes him with the 6th pick. His rationales are totally inconsistent--essentially BS rationales being used to justify passing on a QB at 6 but possibly taking one at 17. I couldn't disagree more with that rationale. If you think a QB is really a franchise QB and that good, you take him at 6 because you have him ranked that highly and you "love" him. Otherwise, don't take a QB at all, because if you pass him at 6 but are willing to take him at 17 or trade up a bit for him from 17, that's not loving him. That's -- we like him but can live just fine without him if he's gone and we're really not sure how good he is or if we really want him.
So you are saying, if you have a QB ranked #17 on your board and some other team has that QB ranked higher, you select the QB rather than the player you like better because of some other team's board?
I get the QB may have more value, but all that does is move him up on your board. You don't go rating players based on what other teams might do.
You people that post this nonsense and actually believe it crack me up.
Taking Jones makes it even more believable.
All you have to do is look at the Giants reaction to the fans reaction to the benching and all their subsequent moves.
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I'm not a college football expert, but when Jones started becoming a more realistic option I began looking at his youtube highlights.
Jones looks VERY athletic. I saw quite a few plays that looked like designed runs and not just sneaks. He had one that looked like a 50+ yard run.
Was Eli ever that athletic? Jones seems like he can move the pocket, were those plays just outliers?
he doesn't seem that much like Eli to me. /////
Agreed. Both cerebral QBs but different physical attributes or abilities.
This is going to be a loooong day.
Lock and Jones will be gone by #17. Will the Giants trade up to get either? I don't think so, unless the cost is just a few day three picks.
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Im hearing the exact same still. D at 6 and lock or Jones at 17 if there.
Lock and Jones will be gone by #17. Will the Giants trade up to get either? I don't think so, unless the cost is just a few day three picks.
Maybe, maybe not. Rosen may take one team out of the running and these QBs aside from Haskins and Murray don't touch last years top 4.
This is going to be a loooong day.
THIS. Gettleman has been adamant about this. You reach for a qb you get in trouble. BPA all day.
This ! This ! This !
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Im hearing the exact same still. D at 6 and lock or Jones at 17 if there.
Lock and Jones will be gone by #17. Will the Giants trade up to get either? I don't think so, unless the cost is just a few day three picks.
Acid, I’m guessing you’re right on the trade up. DJ indicate he thought the draft was loaded through the 4th round, I don’t see him giving up those picks lightly.
Draft is deep on defense = we take defense later. I like Jones, but QB at 6 sucks.
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"It wasn't blatantly obvious."
My problem with him is as follows;
Contrary to what I have heard he does not seem to have an exceptional arm. His arm is OK. He has great touch and anticipation. But, he does not throw with velocity and the ball takes a while to get to the receiver.
I know that arm strength is overrated but, he puts a lot of air on his deep throws and sideline patterns.
These throws will work in college but not in the NFL.
Haskins is not a great athlete. Some people compare him to big Ben. Ben when he came out ran a 4:75 forty at the combine, and was timed as fast as 4.69.
Haskins does extend plays and can make some short yardage runs, but, he is not the newer version RPO type of QB.
When Haskins is pressured he does not perform to his statistics. He does slide well in the pocket and can avoid pressure. But on the rare occasions when he was pressured, he looked human. OSU had one of the worst records within the redzone. Much of this is due to Haskins feeling pressure and unloading to a short outlet.
The QB has to be the leader of the team. I am concerned that Haskins was not in shape for the Combine or for that matter his pro day. I do not know Haskins, but, I am concerned that he came unprepared to his greatest job interview. There is no excuse for running a 5:04 forty and not participating in the other drills. I heard that he may have tweaked his hamstring, well then to dispel any doubts you do what Oliver did and wow everyone with a complete workout at your pro day.
I am not a fan of statistics as statistics can be interpreted to prove a position. Haskins had arguably one of the greatest College football seasons ever for a QB.
But, this cannot be viewed in a vacuum. OSU played a very easy schedule. The schedule included Tulane, Rutgers, Oregon State, TCU, Penn. State, Indiana, Minn., Purdue, Nebraska, Mich. State, Maryland. Mich., North Western , and Washington. I am a Tulane alum. and played FB/RB for them. So I took a particular interest in that game. Tulane was a bad team beaten into a pulp by a far superior OSU team. This was indicative of most of OSU's games. They were heavily favored in every game they played. The question came up and I believe that it is fair, how would Haskins have fared if he played for Duke?
What I can say emphatically is that he would not have had 50 tds. and he would not be considered for the sixth pick.
I happen to like Haskins as a player and person, but, I do not believe that he is worthy of the 6th pick.
I think that Haskins at the end of the first round would be good value. I also would hate Jones, Lock, for the sixth pick. I do not believe that there is a QB, other than possibly Murray, that I would draft with the sixth pick.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
You and I are completely simpatico on this.
Your analysis is on point.
I want Haskins bad!!