Kim reported earlier tonight that half the people she's talked to are convinced the Giants will draft a QB at #6 and half are convinced they will take a defensive player.
She said that the Giants are doing a good job of hiding their true intentions.
I don’t know if it’s 6, but he makes sense. Based on what Mara, Gettleman & Eli have all said re: a young QB. Jones seems to fit the offense. Would be a seamless transition from Eli. I’m okay with it.
I don’t know if it’s 6, but he makes sense. Based on what Mara, Gettleman & Eli have all said re: a young QB. Jones seems to fit the offense. Would be a seamless transition from Eli. I’m okay with it.
If seamless transition = plug a guy who looks like Eli in, then yea, Jones will achieve that.
I think people would notice if we try to put Haskins in. He is not an Eli lookalike.
Draft is deep on defense = we take defense later. I like Jones, but QB at 6 sucks.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, especially if you take Gettleman for his word and not forcing a pick.
That said, most of the people I've checked in with say they like Jones. But NO ONE has been prepared to say they like him at #6. (They all hedge their bets on that).
What I do keep hearing is they love a number of defensive guys.
Draft is deep on defense = we take defense later. I like Jones, but QB at 6 sucks.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, especially if you take Gettleman for his word and not forcing a pick.
That said, most of the people I've checked in with say they like Jones. But NO ONE has been prepared to say they like him at #6. (They all hedge their bets on that).
What I do keep hearing is they love a number of defensive guys.
I really don't think this thing is rocket science. If they want a QB, they need to take the guy at 6. It's that simple. If you don't select the guy at 6, you don't care whether or not you get him.
They can proclaim their love for defensive guys all they want, but the question above is all that matters.
Draft is deep on defense = we take defense later. I like Jones, but QB at 6 sucks.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, especially if you take Gettleman for his word and not forcing a pick.
That said, most of the people I've checked in with say they like Jones. But NO ONE has been prepared to say they like him at #6. (They all hedge their bets on that).
What I do keep hearing is they love a number of defensive guys.
I’m afraid the depth on defense may shift the focus to “we can get quality prospects later” ... i really hope i’m Wrong and thanks for the info ... praying they go defense both 1st rounders - as they should
I’d counter that teams don’t just wait to take a QB at 17 if someone is there. If they have such a conviction on any of these guys, they should go get them.
I am saying if they draft a QB. If they don't draft a QB, then it makes no difference. Or if their intention is not to draft a QB, then it makes no difference.
If they have any idea what they are doing as an organization, they should know that if they believe a QB is a franchise QB, they have to select the guy at 6.
Anyone saying the chatter of QB at 17 is real should understand that there should be discussions in that room tomorrow asking whether they can afford to wait, and ultimately deciding to go for the QB at 6.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
I’m with you Giants38, for once we completely agree on something lol. I just have a good feeling about Haskins.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
I’m with you Giants38, for once we completely agree on something lol. I just have a good feeling about Haskins.
If there is a QB to get its him. Least likely to bust of all of them, quickest release and makes great decisions with the ball.
But man oh man if we pass up one of Q or Josh for him....
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
You can lose the attitude tough guy, it was a genuine question.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
“High enough” and “least bust factor” is not what i want from a 6th overall pick ...
I'll never get this whole if you like him at #17 take him at #6... Â
...you guys never take a math class? Umm 6 is higher correct? So it take an entire year for our scouting staff and DG to actually rank the players and develop the Draft board...but NO he's a QB take him at #6 even if we have 10 guys rated higher? That makes no sense.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
“High enough” and “least bust factor” is not what i want from a 6th overall pick ...
For a QB it can be. You want a top decision maker with a strong enough arm who can process quickly and execute. An anticipatory thrower. He is all those things. Super quick release too.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
I think Haskins's upside is tremendous. When you factor in that he played one year of college ball and improved that much from game to game, it gives me comfort.
Obviously, playing QB in the NFL has a lot to do with going through progressions and making reads. It was why Pennington was successful even though he had a noodle for an arm. Of course, you want a QB who is going to be able to sling it and fit the ball into the tight windows as well. Haskins offers that.
I just don't see Lock as that guy. With Jones, the issues are more than just accuracy; it's also ball placement. Think about a pitcher throwing strikes. It's not enough to just throw strikes - you have to locate the ball properly. Too often Jones threw slants and other short passes to his WR's back hip, which stopped them from being able to run after the catch. That is a huge issue, particularly when the QB is supposed to be mechanically sound and well coached.
RE: I'll never get this whole if you like him at #17 take him at #6... Â
...you guys never take a math class? Umm 6 is higher correct? So it take an entire year for our scouting staff and DG to actually rank the players and develop the Draft board...but NO he's a QB take him at #6 even if we have 10 guys rated higher? That makes no sense.
Because the draft is about actually getting the players you like. If you like Haskins, and he won't be there at 17, then you have two options: 1) select him at 6; or 2) offer up additional draft capital to move up and secure him with your second pick. They went through this on NFL Network today as well - if you love a QB, you don't get cute with it. No pick is too high to select your guy.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
I think Haskins's upside is tremendous. When you factor in that he played one year of college ball and improved that much from game to game, it gives me comfort.
Obviously, playing QB in the NFL has a lot to do with going through progressions and making reads. It was why Pennington was successful even though he had a noodle for an arm. Of course, you want a QB who is going to be able to sling it and fit the ball into the tight windows as well. Haskins offers that.
I just don't see Lock as that guy. With Jones, the issues are more than just accuracy; it's also ball placement. Think about a pitcher throwing strikes. It's not enough to just throw strikes - you have to locate the ball properly. Too often Jones threw slants and other short passes to his WR's back hip, which stopped them from being able to run after the catch. That is a huge issue, particularly when the QB is supposed to be mechanically sound and well coached.
This is exactly right and what I tell my son who is a pitcher and QB. Precision accuracy vs. general accuracy. He is the most consistent in this area of all the QBs though Murray has quite an amazing touch too.
'the draft is about actually getting the players you like'... Â
The Draft is about taking the best players available. If those aren't the guys you ranked on your Draft board then you're a dysfunctional staff. That's what we dealt with with Reese and Ross. DG is cut from a different cloth. IF he takes a QB at #6 it will be because he's ranked equally with the other prospects available. He's told us that many, many times now. The only question left is why you guys don't believe him haha.
RE: 'the draft is about actually getting the players you like'... Â
The Draft is about taking the best players available. If those aren't the guys you ranked on your Draft board then you're a dysfunctional staff. That's what we dealt with with Reese and Ross. DG is cut from a different cloth. IF he takes a QB at #6 it will be because he's ranked equally with the other prospects available. He's told us that many, many times now. The only question left is why you guys don't believe him haha.
Lol. Yes sir. Which is why if Allen or Q not there it could get interesting though JT thinks we'd probably go Wilkins at that point.
RE: RE: 'the draft is about actually getting the players you like'... Â
The Draft is about taking the best players available. If those aren't the guys you ranked on your Draft board then you're a dysfunctional staff. That's what we dealt with with Reese and Ross. DG is cut from a different cloth. IF he takes a QB at #6 it will be because he's ranked equally with the other prospects available. He's told us that many, many times now. The only question left is why you guys don't believe him haha.
Lol. Yes sir. Which is why if Allen or Q not there it could get interesting though JT thinks we'd probably go Wilkins at that point.
Look, the asshats have their info. I have my beliefs. This morning, people were reporting that Washington was looking to move into the top 5 to draft Haskins. This afternoon, the Giants leak through Vacchiano their interest in Jones. Now why would they do that? I have my thoughts.
In any event, I will continue to HOPE FOR HASKINS!
RE: 'the draft is about actually getting the players you like'... Â
The Draft is about taking the best players available. If those aren't the guys you ranked on your Draft board then you're a dysfunctional staff. That's what we dealt with with Reese and Ross. DG is cut from a different cloth. IF he takes a QB at #6 it will be because he's ranked equally with the other prospects available. He's told us that many, many times now. The only question left is why you guys don't believe him haha.
The roster as currently constructed screams pass rusher at #6 whether it be a DL or ER. Of course that assessment is based on the assumption that the Giants believe that is their number one need and that there will be a considerable drop off in pass rushing talent at #17.
I’ve seen nothing this off season that convinces me that any of these QBs are worthy of a top 6 pick. I’m not sure what has changed in the last two weeks, other than the usual hype before the draft, to explain this.
Draft is deep on defense = we take defense later. I like Jones, but QB at 6 sucks.
If seamless transition = plug a guy who looks like Eli in, then yea, Jones will achieve that.
I think people would notice if we try to put Haskins in. He is not an Eli lookalike.
Draft is deep on defense = we take defense later. I like Jones, but QB at 6 sucks.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, especially if you take Gettleman for his word and not forcing a pick.
That said, most of the people I've checked in with say they like Jones. But NO ONE has been prepared to say they like him at #6. (They all hedge their bets on that).
What I do keep hearing is they love a number of defensive guys.
At 6? Really?
Ugh, if it must happen, let it happen. If he bombs the sooner this regime is shown the door.
Jones looks VERY athletic. I saw quite a few plays that looked like designed runs and not just sneaks. He had one that looked like a 50+ yard run.
Was Eli ever that athletic? Jones seems like he can move the pocket, were those plays just outliers?
he doesn't seem that much like Eli to me.
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Draft is deep on defense = we take defense later. I like Jones, but QB at 6 sucks.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, especially if you take Gettleman for his word and not forcing a pick.
That said, most of the people I've checked in with say they like Jones. But NO ONE has been prepared to say they like him at #6. (They all hedge their bets on that).
What I do keep hearing is they love a number of defensive guys.
I really don't think this thing is rocket science. If they want a QB, they need to take the guy at 6. It's that simple. If you don't select the guy at 6, you don't care whether or not you get him.
They can proclaim their love for defensive guys all they want, but the question above is all that matters.
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Draft is deep on defense = we take defense later. I like Jones, but QB at 6 sucks.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, especially if you take Gettleman for his word and not forcing a pick.
That said, most of the people I've checked in with say they like Jones. But NO ONE has been prepared to say they like him at #6. (They all hedge their bets on that).
What I do keep hearing is they love a number of defensive guys.
I’m afraid the depth on defense may shift the focus to “we can get quality prospects later” ... i really hope i’m Wrong and thanks for the info ... praying they go defense both 1st rounders - as they should
Thanks, Jon.
I still really don’t understand it- I feel like, if the QB isn’t worth #6, then he’s not the guy you want. Don’t force a QB!
I am saying if they draft a QB. If they don't draft a QB, then it makes no difference. Or if their intention is not to draft a QB, then it makes no difference.
If they have any idea what they are doing as an organization, they should know that if they believe a QB is a franchise QB, they have to select the guy at 6.
Anyone saying the chatter of QB at 17 is real should understand that there should be discussions in that room tomorrow asking whether they can afford to wait, and ultimately deciding to go for the QB at 6.
You guys are nothing if not consistent. I'm going to continue to Hope for Haskins!
“If there?” Do they like them or not?
Is defense at 17 also a possibility ? I feel like Jones is gonna be available
So, if you are willing to take a QB at 17 but not at 6, how sold on him are you?
To me, that says the team is not sold on him. In that case, why not draft a guy to fill other needs and wait until there is a QB they are sold on?
Thank you for the insight ... hope you guys are rih]ght. QBs at 6 are a nightmare
Jones looks VERY athletic. I saw quite a few plays that looked like designed runs and not just sneaks. He had one that looked like a 50+ yard run.
Was Eli ever that athletic? Jones seems like he can move the pocket, were those plays just outliers?
he doesn't seem that much like Eli to me.
Agreed. Both cerebral QBs but different physical attributes or abilities.
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
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Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
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Is defense at 17 also a possibility ? I feel like Jones is gonna be available
Here's to hoping Jones go EARLY and Allen or Q dropping to 6!
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Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
I’m with you Giants38, for once we completely agree on something lol. I just have a good feeling about Haskins.
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Is defense at 17 also a possibility ? I feel like Jones is gonna be available
Here's to hoping Jones go EARLY and Allen or Q dropping to 6!
Allen is the perfect match of talent/need
Less than 24 hours ... finally
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Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
I’m with you Giants38, for once we completely agree on something lol. I just have a good feeling about Haskins.
If there is a QB to get its him. Least likely to bust of all of them, quickest release and makes great decisions with the ball.
But man oh man if we pass up one of Q or Josh for him....
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Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
she knows just as much as we do.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
You can lose the attitude tough guy, it was a genuine question.
Glad he’s a film junkie, good to know. .
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
“High enough” and “least bust factor” is not what i want from a 6th overall pick ...
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
“High enough” and “least bust factor” is not what i want from a 6th overall pick ...
For a QB it can be. You want a top decision maker with a strong enough arm who can process quickly and execute. An anticipatory thrower. He is all those things. Super quick release too.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
I think Haskins's upside is tremendous. When you factor in that he played one year of college ball and improved that much from game to game, it gives me comfort.
Obviously, playing QB in the NFL has a lot to do with going through progressions and making reads. It was why Pennington was successful even though he had a noodle for an arm. Of course, you want a QB who is going to be able to sling it and fit the ball into the tight windows as well. Haskins offers that.
I just don't see Lock as that guy. With Jones, the issues are more than just accuracy; it's also ball placement. Think about a pitcher throwing strikes. It's not enough to just throw strikes - you have to locate the ball properly. Too often Jones threw slants and other short passes to his WR's back hip, which stopped them from being able to run after the catch. That is a huge issue, particularly when the QB is supposed to be mechanically sound and well coached.
Because the draft is about actually getting the players you like. If you like Haskins, and he won't be there at 17, then you have two options: 1) select him at 6; or 2) offer up additional draft capital to move up and secure him with your second pick. They went through this on NFL Network today as well - if you love a QB, you don't get cute with it. No pick is too high to select your guy.
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We could be wrong but my source hasn't wavered
Cool. And I'm not budging, either. I will continue to Hope for Haskins, and there is nothing anyone can do or say to stop me from that. In 22 hours or so, my hopes might be dashed. But until then, I will keep my faith.
Why do you like Haskins so much
I could just as easily ask why you hate him so much, and your response would be because he had oodles of time.
Haskins is a big time QB in my opinion. He has a strong arm, is accurate, and can read defenses. He improved throughout the season, which is why I am not concerned about him only starting one year.
He is a film junkie and a hard worker. When you combine talent and hard work, you rarely get a player who busts. When you watched him against those tough Ds, he showed the ability to not only make pre-snap reads (calling out blitzes) but post snap ones. He put safeties in binds, looked them off, and then has a quick, compact delivery that allowed him to make throws down the field to take advantage of his IQ. Watch the first TD against Washington, where he looks the safety off and comes back to his second read.
People say that he had time and pass him off as a guy who faced no adversity. But part of that was due to what he did. He studied he ass off and identified the blitzes Michigan was bringing. Remember a few years ago when Romo was calling out every blitz we were bringing? Haskins was doing that to Michigan. Part of the reason he faced no pressure was his ability to call it out before the snap. People seem to ignore that.
Now, let's talk about his talent. Sure, he had a ton of it around him. But let's not make it out like he somehow failed. He threw 50 TDs to only 8 INTs. He destroyed the Big 10 TD record. So, sure, he had talent around him, but he also used it to break records. It's not as if he had an average season with all that talent.
That good enough for you? This kid is going to be a stud, and the naysayers don't deter me from it one bit. This notion of sticking to the board is sheer stupidity if you believe you've identified a franchise QB. If they are willing to pass on a QB to 17, they don't believe the guy is a franchise QB. It's as simple as that.
And that is why I am HOPING FOR HASKINS!
He's the ONLY QB of this group if we are going to take one. Mayyyyybe Lock.
I love Murray as well, but obviously he is not in the discussion. I do not like Lock because he has shown a complete inability to read the field or go through progressions. While Haskins is often criticized for being slow, I think it is Lock - not Haskins - who plays slow.
Haskins does not play slow at all. Lock and Jones have questionable ability to process and make the best decisions.
Haskins may not be the highest upside but its high enough and the least bust factor.
I think Haskins's upside is tremendous. When you factor in that he played one year of college ball and improved that much from game to game, it gives me comfort.
Obviously, playing QB in the NFL has a lot to do with going through progressions and making reads. It was why Pennington was successful even though he had a noodle for an arm. Of course, you want a QB who is going to be able to sling it and fit the ball into the tight windows as well. Haskins offers that.
I just don't see Lock as that guy. With Jones, the issues are more than just accuracy; it's also ball placement. Think about a pitcher throwing strikes. It's not enough to just throw strikes - you have to locate the ball properly. Too often Jones threw slants and other short passes to his WR's back hip, which stopped them from being able to run after the catch. That is a huge issue, particularly when the QB is supposed to be mechanically sound and well coached.
This is exactly right and what I tell my son who is a pitcher and QB. Precision accuracy vs. general accuracy. He is the most consistent in this area of all the QBs though Murray has quite an amazing touch too.
Lol. Yes sir. Which is why if Allen or Q not there it could get interesting though JT thinks we'd probably go Wilkins at that point.
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The Draft is about taking the best players available. If those aren't the guys you ranked on your Draft board then you're a dysfunctional staff. That's what we dealt with with Reese and Ross. DG is cut from a different cloth. IF he takes a QB at #6 it will be because he's ranked equally with the other prospects available. He's told us that many, many times now. The only question left is why you guys don't believe him haha.
Lol. Yes sir. Which is why if Allen or Q not there it could get interesting though JT thinks we'd probably go Wilkins at that point.
Look, the asshats have their info. I have my beliefs. This morning, people were reporting that Washington was looking to move into the top 5 to draft Haskins. This afternoon, the Giants leak through Vacchiano their interest in Jones. Now why would they do that? I have my thoughts.
In any event, I will continue to HOPE FOR HASKINS!
At some point, position matters.
I’ve seen nothing this off season that convinces me that any of these QBs are worthy of a top 6 pick. I’m not sure what has changed in the last two weeks, other than the usual hype before the draft, to explain this.