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Marc Ross: Giants may be looking at Jonah Williams

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2019 11:17 pm
He said that earlier tonight on the NFL Network. "Maybe laying in the weeds" for the Giants.

Just throwing that out there.
Well  
Trainmaster : 4/24/2019 11:19 pm : link
If Bosa, Q Williams, J Allen, D White and Oliver are gone, I think J Williams makes a lot of sense.
Reminds me of Pugh  
GothamGiants : 4/24/2019 11:21 pm : link
I hate “technicians” ... i want maulers
I've heard they like him  
JonC : 4/24/2019 11:22 pm : link
but not at 6.
RE: Reminds me of Pugh  
eric2425ny : 4/24/2019 11:34 pm : link
In comment 14402945 GothamGiants said:
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I hate “technicians” ... i want maulers


My God, don’t talk about Pugh the night before the draft lol. One of my least favorite first round picks we ever made. His name was fitting for the reaction after being picked at that spot.
RE: RE: Reminds me of Pugh  
GothamGiants : 4/24/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14402981 eric2425ny said:
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I hate “technicians” ... i want maulers



My God, don’t talk about Pugh the night before the draft lol. One of my least favorite first round picks we ever made. His name was fitting for the reaction after being picked at that spot.


I want monsters like Risner or Cody Ford ... not these finesse “technicians”

RE: RE: RE: Reminds me of Pugh  
eric2425ny : 4/24/2019 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14402985 GothamGiants said:
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I hate “technicians” ... i want maulers



My God, don’t talk about Pugh the night before the draft lol. One of my least favorite first round picks we ever made. His name was fitting for the reaction after being picked at that spot.



I want monsters like Risner or Cody Ford ... not these finesse “technicians”


No, I totally agree. I remember all of the analysts talking about Pugh’s T-Rex arms right after he was selected.
Jonah's best technique OT of the draft  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 11:45 pm : link
And can play either LT or RT. Wont be a mauler at RT but man will we have a strong pass protecting right side of the line.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Reminds me of Pugh  
Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2019 11:46 pm : link
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I hate “technicians” ... i want maulers



My God, don’t talk about Pugh the night before the draft lol. One of my least favorite first round picks we ever made. His name was fitting for the reaction after being picked at that spot.



I want monsters like Risner or Cody Ford ... not these finesse “technicians”




No, I totally agree. I remember all of the analysts talking about Pugh’s T-Rex arms right after he was selected.


Jonah is a FAR superior player to Pugh.

Jonah also has much longer arms then Pugh. Jonah has longer arms then Dillard and only 3/8 of inch shorter then Ford & Risner.

Pugh - 32
Jonah - 33 5/8
Dillard - 33 1/2
Ford - 34
Risner - 34
RE: Reminds me of Pugh  
Deejboy : 4/24/2019 11:51 pm : link
In comment 14402945 GothamGiants said:
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I hate “technicians” ... i want maulers

Ereck Flowers was a "mauler". That was basically all he was. Pretty much all the first round tackles and guards that flopped either were because of injuries or they were maulers who couldn't overcome their bad technique and be coached up. Guys like Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Matt Kalil, etc.
Because this is how Ross built the board...  
Hades07 : 4/24/2019 11:53 pm : link
...See hole at RT, draft a RT


Drafting for need never works out well in the long run.
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GothamGiants : 4/24/2019 11:59 pm : link
In comment 14403008 Big Rick in FL said:
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I hate “technicians” ... i want maulers



My God, don’t talk about Pugh the night before the draft lol. One of my least favorite first round picks we ever made. His name was fitting for the reaction after being picked at that spot.



I want monsters like Risner or Cody Ford ... not these finesse “technicians”




No, I totally agree. I remember all of the analysts talking about Pugh’s T-Rex arms right after he was selected.



Jonah is a FAR superior player to Pugh.

Jonah also has much longer arms then Pugh. Jonah has longer arms then Dillard and only 3/8 of inch shorter then Ford & Risner.

Pugh - 32
Jonah - 33 5/8
Dillard - 33 1/2
Ford - 34
Risner - 34


I’ll gladly take Risner 30 picks later
RE: RE: Reminds me of Pugh  
Giantz_comeback : 4/24/2019 11:59 pm : link
In comment 14403019 Deejboy said:
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I hate “technicians” ... i want maulers


Ereck Flowers was a "mauler". That was basically all he was. Pretty much all the first round tackles and guards that flopped either were because of injuries or they were maulers who couldn't overcome their bad technique and be coached up. Guys like Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Matt Kalil, etc.


Yup and Pugh when healthy was very good. It was more a health issue than talent issue with him. Flowers was not good period.
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GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 12:02 am : link
So we should avoid guys like Risner and Ford because Flowers sucked?

Hernandez is a mauler, and i don’t see anyone crying about him. I’ll take 5 guys like that over 5 “technicians”
Reese and Ross might take him at #6...  
Torrag : 4/25/2019 12:06 am : link
...that would be their typical 'reach for need' mentality. DG won't.
RE: Reese and Ross might take him at #6...  
Giantz_comeback : 4/25/2019 12:08 am : link
In comment 14403043 Torrag said:
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...that would be their typical 'reach for need' mentality. DG won't.


I dont think this is for pick #6, I think its in case he drops to 17. In this D rich draft and with other OTs that could go before him its possible.
I dont think this is for pick #6  
Torrag : 4/25/2019 12:26 am : link
He was talking about pick #6. Good chance Jonah is long gone by #17.
RE: I dont think this is for pick #6  
Giantz_comeback : 4/25/2019 12:32 am : link
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He was talking about pick #6. Good chance Jonah is long gone by #17.


Not necessarily. But Jonah at 6 depending on how the other picks fall isn't a terrible reach either (not the way I would choose though).

Hes the top LT/RT in this draft. Black belt technician, Joe Thomas mold. Instant impact starter and basically completes the OL especially if no Remmers.
'isn't a terrible reach either'...  
Torrag : 4/25/2019 12:36 am : link
Yeah it is.
RE: Reminds me of Pugh  
santacruzom : 4/25/2019 2:54 am : link
In comment 14402945 GothamGiants said:
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I hate “technicians” ... i want maulers


Indeed... let's get another Flowers-like mauler instead of a namby-pamby Pugh-style technician.
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santacruzom : 4/25/2019 2:57 am : link
In comment 14403038 GothamGiants said:
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So we should avoid guys like Risner and Ford because Flowers sucked?


Yes, if we should also avoid William's because Pugh wasn't great (but was still much better than Flowers).
How is it a reach for need if Giants have a lot needs everywhere  
USAF NYG Fan : 4/25/2019 4:35 am : link
This draft lines up all nice and neat to meet up with need and strength of the draft. Pass rusher is a need and a draft strength. I'd say it's a deeper draft for pass rushers as well. Would it be a reach if they took a pass rusher because they need one? Some of you don't make any sense. Sy gave Jonah the top rating (tied with Bosa with an 87 grade).

They should be looking at OT this year and next year. We don't have a starter at RT right now. Mike Remmers has bounced around the league, played RG last year, is 30 years old, and rumor is he can't be signed yet because he can't pass a physical. Even if he is signed he's good for what, 2 years at best. Is that your solution for RT? Solder is 31 and likely will not be on the team in 2 years.

If you follow Sy's rankings, like I do, there really is no way that Jonah would be a reach. Remember the Giants pick 6th.

Jonah wouldn't be getting drafted to play RT. He would be drafted to play LT. He would compete for LT and would win it in a year or two.
He’s been my sleeper pick at 6  
jeff57 : 4/25/2019 5:11 am : link
If Giants don’t take him don’t be surprised if Jacksonville or Buffalo do.
I do not see him as hogmollie enough  
George from PA : 4/25/2019 5:58 am : link
DG wants more beef.
Love me some risner  
eli4life : 4/25/2019 6:15 am : link
Big fan after seeing the amount of charity work he’s done since starting college. Great human being
Ross was smug douche when he said that  
ZogZerg : 4/25/2019 6:20 am : link
He was really taking dig at Giants saying they are moving to a run offense, sticking with Eli, and Eli needs everything to be perfect to be any good.

He is a fucking clown. It's amazing Coughlin won 2 Superbowls with these clowns running the show.
Totally agree with Gotham  
Chris L. : 4/25/2019 7:06 am : link
the guy is too light. Justin Pugh redo. I want a tackle who can move guys off the line of scrimmage. Plus way too many good defenders out there. If they make this pick it is a big indictment of the Solder signing because they will be picking him to move in at left tackle.
Looking at as many mock drafts as possible  
figgy2989 : 4/25/2019 7:08 am : link
I am curious to see how the middle to late first round plays out. You could see a run on OT's in the middle which might push down higher rated defensive players.

Let's hope the Giants stay true to their draft board. A ton of day 3 picks could be used towards building depth on the OL and hopefully finding a diamond in the rough.
A lot of teams  
mittenedman : 4/25/2019 7:11 am : link
are targeting Jonah. Tells you something right there.
I wonder whether any of the scouts still talk to Ross.  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/25/2019 7:21 am : link
He comes across as a guy who would be a lousy boss - the type whose calls you would stop taking the day he got fired. But work relationships can be funny things, and besides, everyone needs to maintain their network. Another NFL team might actually hire Ross someday. BAHAHAHAHAH.
Hah  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/25/2019 8:53 am : link
If Ross says it -- it may be the kiss of death on that pick -- Gettleman does not like or appreciate Ross
RE: Hah  
Dan in the Springs : 4/25/2019 8:58 am : link
In comment 14403483 gidiefor said:
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If Ross says it -- it may be the kiss of death on that pick -- Gettleman does not like or appreciate Ross


Honestly, was thinking the same thing.
If anyone in the organization is still feeding Ross inside info...  
EricJ : 4/25/2019 9:04 am : link
then we have more people to fire
I think there might be a run on OTs  
Jay in Toronto : 4/25/2019 9:07 am : link
so the guys we are hoping for at 37 and even 17 may not be there.

makes  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/25/2019 9:09 am : link
sense that the GIants would draft an OL now that Marc Ross is gone.

10 years as the director of player personnel while we had a franchise QB who was always a non-running, in-the-pocket QB, and his strategy was to draft 10 OL compared with 8 RBs over that span.

How about he speaks not on why the Giants may draft an OT this year, but why he did such a bad job with the line during his decade tenure?
RE: I wonder whether any of the scouts still talk to Ross.  
FStubbs : 4/25/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14403242 Big Blue Blogger said:
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He comes across as a guy who would be a lousy boss - the type whose calls you would stop taking the day he got fired. But work relationships can be funny things, and besides, everyone needs to maintain their network. Another NFL team might actually hire Ross someday. BAHAHAHAHAH.


The rumor is when Reese was fired, people within the organization were sad to see him go, wished him luck, etc. When Ross was fired, it was more "good riddance".
Not  
AcidTest : 4/25/2019 9:40 am : link
at #6. He doesn't really fit the definition of a "hog molly."
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