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Allen in CNJ : 4/25/2019 5:12 am
There are so many threads on the draft, it's hard to sift through all of them and find a common link so if a similar thread exists, please accept my apology ahead of time!

In my opinion, based on actual team need, and DG's thinking of taking the best player available to him and NOT forcing a pick, I sincerely doubt that we will be going anywhere OUTSIDE defense with pick #6.

All of the experts draft boards, including Daniel Jeremiah, McShay, and Kiper have defensive players atop their boards within the top 10 or so with the exception of Kyler Murray being right in the mix, but towards the bottom of that top 10.

I would think the Giants draft board is similar, but who knows. It's GLARINGLY obvious that defensive players are the premier talents in this draft, and if any of them "fall" to the Giants at 6, they're going to take them, without question. 17 is very much up in the air, and that seems like a more logical position to take a QB, but if another top tier talent falls, especially a guy like Brian Burns or Greedy Williams, you have to take them there.

This is how I see it playing out 1-17:
1) AZ - Murray
2) SF - Bosa
3) Jets - Q Williams
4) Oak - Ed Oliver
5) (trade) Was - Haskins
6) NYG - Allen
7) Jax - Jonah Williams
8) Hou - Dillard
9) Buf - Hockenson
10) Den - Lock
11) Cin - Gary (if he doesn't fall b/c of injury)
12) GB - Taylor (OT)
13) Mia - Daniel Jones!
14) Atl - Ford
15) (trade) TB - Burns
16) Car - Rock Ya Sin OR Greedy
17) NYG - Wilkins

This is a wishlist kinda thing, however it could play out like this. Obviously no one knows. But, if we walk away with both Josh Allen and Christian Wilkins on Day 1, Remmers gets signed and is healthy, we can either draft a skill guy (AJ Brown!) at 37 OR a versatile O-Lineman or CB/S.

Should be fun!
Are you connected to Josh Allen  
George from PA : 4/25/2019 5:21 am : link
As a local kid, we assume his friends or family might be lurking.

We as fans, would love to get him, the ideal OLB!
The Giants really need DLine help, in the worst way  
JohnB : 4/25/2019 5:25 am : link
and this draft is top heavy with high quality DLinemen.

It only makes sense that #6 is a DLineman.
I'm not saying the Giants should draft Jonah Williams  
USAF NYG Fan : 4/25/2019 5:40 am : link
but I think the draft will actually fall so that Jonah is the highest rated player on their board at pick #6. This is especially true if no QBs are taken ahead in picks 1-5. This is even true if only 1 QB is taken in picks 1-5. Like the OP posted though if 2 QBs are taken I think one of the remaining defenders are rated higher than Jonah is (on the Giants' board anyway).

Just because there are a lot of high rated pass rusher/DL in this draft that one will be there at #6 rated higher than Jonah. You don't draft the position, you draft the player.

This is a great draft for the Giants IMHO. Their biggest needs are this drafts' strengths.
I honestly don't get the rationale for picking a QB of the future  
bigbluescot : 4/25/2019 6:00 am : link
at #17. Yes, you may be able to get the guy there, but if he's the guy you've decided is the guy to go forward with, you may not. The position is too important to dick around with: if you think Jones or Lock is the guy then go get him. If you're playing value games with the QB of the future then it's representative of an underlying doubt in the viability of the candidate, and you probably shouldn't be picking the candidate just to fill a need.

If they need to take a QB, I'm leaning to just trading Rosen if the cost is the rumored 3rd this year, and a conditional 2020 pick. Simply because the opportunity cost is so much less. If Rosen comes sits for a year and is a dick (which fundamentally is probably the main issue with Rosen: his fragility is overblown he took a beating last year), then move on with no cap hit and it's cost you only a 3rd, and you can draft someone next year.

To me this QB class is 2011 redux. People convinced themselves that Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder were somehow first half of the 1st round picks. Murray is clearly talented but the size is a major concern (especially when the OL will be more compressed in the NFL) as is the one season of starts, Haskins has potential but has very few starts, Lock's mechanics are all over the shop and Jones processes the field slowly and floats the deep out.
Rock ya sin  
Tuckrule : 4/25/2019 8:32 am : link
Going to Steelers at 20 per Dave Te. He was pretty sure about that pick
RE: I honestly don't get the rationale for picking a QB of the future  
Bill L : 4/25/2019 8:44 am : link
In comment 14403162 bigbluescot said:
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at #17. Yes, you may be able to get the guy there, but if he's the guy you've decided is the guy to go forward with, you may not. The position is too important to dick around with: if you think Jones or Lock is the guy then go get him. If you're playing value games with the QB of the future then it's representative of an underlying doubt in the viability of the candidate, and you probably shouldn't be picking the candidate just to fill a need.

If they need to take a QB, I'm leaning to just trading Rosen if the cost is the rumored 3rd this year, and a conditional 2020 pick. Simply because the opportunity cost is so much less. If Rosen comes sits for a year and is a dick (which fundamentally is probably the main issue with Rosen: his fragility is overblown he took a beating last year), then move on with no cap hit and it's cost you only a 3rd, and you can draft someone next year.

To me this QB class is 2011 redux. People convinced themselves that Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder were somehow first half of the 1st round picks. Murray is clearly talented but the size is a major concern (especially when the OL will be more compressed in the NFL) as is the one season of starts, Haskins has potential but has very few starts, Lock's mechanics are all over the shop and Jones processes the field slowly and floats the deep out.


I don't think fragility is the question. He has a concussion history and likely propensity. That doesn't come under the heading of fragility. It's a real risk IMO that the next concussion he gets, he says enough is enough, especially in the CTE era.
If we get Allen AND Wilkins  
BlueHurricane : 4/25/2019 8:54 am : link
I will do back flips
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