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Schefter: Cardinals only talked to 2 teams. NYG and MIA

LawrenceTaylor56 : 4/25/2019 7:58 am
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Adam Schefter on @MutCallahan says the Cardinals do not have a deal in place to trade Josh Rosen and have not spoken to the Patriots this offseason about a potential trade. They have talked to only two teams — Dolphins and Giants.


Here's hoping we go all defense in the first round and #37 for Rosen. Sign me up.


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RE: If Schefter says the Cardinals talked to the Giants,  
Diver_Down : 4/25/2019 8:52 am : link
In comment 14403368 Mr. Bungle said:
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then it's almost certain that the Giants are interested in Rosen, despite whatever any BBIers claim to the contrary.


All depends on how the conversation went. We know DG isn't making the first call. So if Keim called DG to gauge his interest, it could have been a very quick call.

Keim: Hey, Dave. How are you doing? Any interest in Josh?
DG: Doing well, Steve. Have you been drinking? You have to lay off the sauce. Bye, Steve.
RE: Or it's the  
Matt in SGS : 4/25/2019 8:56 am : link
In comment 14403382 jtgiants said:
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Cardinals trying to drum up interest. They thought they would have teams banging there door down for Rosen but it hasn't happened


Probably. Because NFL teams know that they can wait them out tonight with Murray. It's the scenario we've discussed all along. I still wonder if at the end of all this, they trade him to the Chargers for their late first rounder. I think the price tag to beat is #37 with the Giants.
RE: If this rumor is true ...  
Carson53 : 4/25/2019 8:59 am : link
In comment 14403461 FStubbs said:
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... then Kurt Warner was right, Rosen's value is a third rounder.

I can't believe this is true though. I imagine a lot of teams are in on Rosen.
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I've been consistent with a 3rd and a 5th for Rosen.
Of course, the Giants 3rd Rd. pick is the Pats pick
(via Clev.) at the end of the 3rd?
RE: RE: Or it's the  
Steve in Greenwich : 4/25/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14403496 Matt in SGS said:
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Probably. Because NFL teams know that they can wait them out tonight with Murray. It's the scenario we've discussed all along. I still wonder if at the end of all this, they trade him to the Chargers for their late first rounder. I think the price tag to beat is #37 with the Giants.

Peter Schrager's take last night I thought sounded entirely plausible; the Giants want to come out of the draft with a QB one way or another (just not at #6), but are comfortable with Jones or Lock or Rosen; which will allow them to sit at 17 rather than play chicken with the Redskins at 15. They know if come pick 17 neither Jones or Lock are on the board they can just execute a deal for Rosen since nothing the Cards have gotten for offers could beat the 37th pick. He also opined that quite frankly there's no indication that the Cardinals have even gotten a 2nd round offer at all yet, but thought the Giants 3rd was too low by itself and at that point they would rather just keep Rosen as a backup if all they can get is an end of the 3rd round pick.
I know the opinions on Rosen are all over the map  
aimrocky : 4/25/2019 9:08 am : link
but if the Giants come out of tonight without taking a QB AND acquiring Rosen for #37, I'll be doing cartwheels all the way to work tomorrow... That would be the pie in the sky scenario for me. I desperately wanted Rosen last year, and if we can get him for $0.60 on the dollar this year, I'll be thrilled.
Wasting Picks On Rosen Is A Remote Throw  
Trainmaster : 4/25/2019 9:09 am : link
So many reasons to not want him on the Giants.
RE: RE: Or it's the  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/25/2019 9:10 am : link
In comment 14403390 nygiants16 said:
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Cardinals trying to drum up interest. They thought they would have teams banging there door down for Rosen but it hasn't happened



but if it was the cardinals leaking to drum upninterest wouldnt they say multiple teams have called them?

Saying only 2 teams called means the price will be lower not higher

This.

It's FAR more likely that the source is coming from the NYG or MIA FO, assuming it's valid in the first place.

I just have a feeling that by the end of the day tomorrow (or even tonight) there's going to be a lot of wondering how the inside info was off the mark this year. And while I do enjoy getting the info that our asshats provide, I also do think that it'll be an encouraging development if the leaks have finally dried up.
My best offer...  
Bill L : 4/25/2019 9:13 am : link
2019 5th and a conditional 2022 2nd rounder that drops to a 4th if Rosen doesn't start 85% of the games in 2020 and 2021. But, management *has* to commit to going hard, including a massive trade for a 2020 QB (ranked as one of the top 4 QB's in the draft).
RE: With Eli in the fold  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/25/2019 9:13 am : link
In comment 14403380 Chef said:
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and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..

I don't quite understand the downside of having a young viable alternative in case Eli struggles at 38 years old. If you're confident in Eli's ability, what's the problem? Has he at any point ever seemed like he was remotely affected by criticism?

If there was ever a QB who was seemingly engineered to navigate a would-be QB controversy with poise, it's Eli.
My buddy is a Dolphins fan  
Jay on the Island : 4/25/2019 9:13 am : link
and he follows the team just as closely as we do the Giants and he is adamant that the Dolphins do not really want Rosen and that they are fully committed to landing Tua in 2020. If he is right then that would leave the Giants as the only true suitor currently. That could all change tonight if a team like Washington misses out on their top 2 QB's or maybe SD or NE were waiting until draft day to show their interest.
RE: Wasting Picks On Rosen Is A Remote Throw  
Mr. Bungle : 4/25/2019 9:14 am : link
In comment 14403565 Trainmaster said:
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So many reasons to not want him on the Giants.

Concussion history and........


....yeah, that's about it.
RE: RE: Wasting Picks On Rosen Is A Remote Throw  
Bill L : 4/25/2019 9:15 am : link
In comment 14403587 Mr. Bungle said:
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So many reasons to not want him on the Giants.


Concussion history and........


....yeah, that's about it.


Yeah, otherwise how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln.
RE: With Eli in the fold  
christian : 4/25/2019 9:16 am : link
In comment 14403380 Chef said:
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and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..


This mentality should terrify fans. If a team with 8 combined wins over 2 years, has a lame duck, 38-year-old QB who struggles, we should worry the 2nd year top 10 draft pick will play?
RE: RE: With Eli in the fold  
GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14403578 Gatorade Dunk said:
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and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..


I don't quite understand the downside of having a young viable alternative in case Eli struggles at 38 years old. If you're confident in Eli's ability, what's the problem? Has he at any point ever seemed like he was remotely affected by criticism?

If there was ever a QB who was seemingly engineered to navigate a would-be QB controversy with poise, it's Eli.


Eli’s feelings > winning in 2019 ...
Jesus..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/25/2019 9:19 am : link
Fucking Christ.

That hot take just won't die, will it?
RE: RE: With Eli in the fold  
Big Rick in FL : 4/25/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14403592 christian said:
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and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..



This mentality should terrify fans. If a team with 8 combined wins over 2 years, has a lame duck, 38-year-old QB who struggles, we should worry the 2nd year top 10 draft pick will play?


If Eli struggles or the team struggles they should be playing any young QB they have.
RE: If Schefter says the Cardinals talked to the Giants,  
joeinpa : 4/25/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14403368 Mr. Bungle said:
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then it's almost certain that the Giants are interested in Rosen, despite whatever any BBIers claim to the contrary.


Makes sense
RE: RE: With Eli in the fold  
ron mexico : 4/25/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14403578 Gatorade Dunk said:
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and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..


I don't quite understand the downside of having a young viable alternative in case Eli struggles at 38 years old. If you're confident in Eli's ability, what's the problem? Has he at any point ever seemed like he was remotely affected by criticism?

If there was ever a QB who was seemingly engineered to navigate a would-be QB controversy with poise, it's Eli.


this is the sane way of looking at it
How would you guys feel  
Metnut : 4/25/2019 9:25 am : link
about pick #37, and our 2020 third round pick for Rosen?

IMO, that's a fair price, and one I'd be willing to pay.
I wouldnt give a  
lecky : 4/25/2019 9:25 am : link
#2 pick for Rosen. I would give a 3rd and a 4th though. Best part about that would be if in 2 years we are somehow in play for the QB from Clemson then nothing lost by doing that.
RE: How would you guys feel  
GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14403617 Metnut said:
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about pick #37, and our 2020 third round pick for Rosen?

IMO, that's a fair price, and one I'd be willing to pay.


Ive been saying 37 and conditional 2020 pick all offseason

Rosen would be in play at 6 overall in this draft, its a no brainer
I am still hoping a package  
beatrixkiddo : 4/25/2019 9:42 am : link
Of Rosen and Peterson is available, I would gladly trade our #17 pick for that straight up. Would take our secondary from a major weakness to a strength in one move, and provide a future plan for life after Eli. I think when you look back on the Beckham trade and if you land that, people will view it as a win.
RE: I am still hoping a package  
GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14403703 beatrixkiddo said:
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Of Rosen and Peterson is available, I would gladly trade our #17 pick for that straight up. Would take our secondary from a major weakness to a strength in one move, and provide a future plan for life after Eli. I think when you look back on the Beckham trade and if you land that, people will view it as a win.


I would sign up for this in a heartbeat ... PP is only 28 and still playing at an elite level
RE: RE: I am still hoping a package  
Johnny5 : 4/25/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14403718 GothamGiants said:
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Of Rosen and Peterson is available, I would gladly trade our #17 pick for that straight up. Would take our secondary from a major weakness to a strength in one move, and provide a future plan for life after Eli. I think when you look back on the Beckham trade and if you land that, people will view it as a win.



I would sign up for this in a heartbeat ... PP is only 28 and still playing at an elite level

Holy crap. That would be an amazing score.
I'd  
AcidTest : 4/25/2019 9:55 am : link
love to get Rosen for #37, but trust the insiders JonC and jtgiants that the Giants don't want to pay that much. But their interest level and that of other teams may well increase based on what happens in the draft.
I would love the first 2 picks to be d  
bluetothegrave : 4/25/2019 9:56 am : link
and then a trade for rosen with only pick #37. like the OP says. Sorry Eli, I love you..i really..really do. However if we do that trade you are the backup. No way..no way do I at all stunt the growth of rosen to make Eli happy. He will be the highest paid backup in nfl history for a year. Its already on the cap, he already made his bonus so he can tutor rosen and be our backup even if for this year they are similar. If we do this trade rosen should start right away.

So curious as to what DG and PS think of JR.
Dave Te posted last night that the Cards are close to a deal  
Spider56 : 4/25/2019 10:10 am : link
With Rosen going to the Chargers for a 1st rounder.
Thinks can change in a flash  
ZogZerg : 4/25/2019 10:17 am : link
if a Team planning to draft a QB tonight doesn't land one because a surprise team takes one before they have a chance.
RE: RE: RE: I am still hoping a package  
Giantz_comeback : 4/25/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14403766 Johnny5 said:
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In comment 14403703 beatrixkiddo said:


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Of Rosen and Peterson is available, I would gladly trade our #17 pick for that straight up. Would take our secondary from a major weakness to a strength in one move, and provide a future plan for life after Eli. I think when you look back on the Beckham trade and if you land that, people will view it as a win.



I would sign up for this in a heartbeat ... PP is only 28 and still playing at an elite level


Holy crap. That would be an amazing score.


Getting both for 17 and a 4th would be amazing. Don't see the Giants taking on Rosen though.
RE: Dave Te posted last night that the Cards are close to a deal  
Giantz_comeback : 4/25/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14403844 Spider56 said:
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With Rosen going to the Chargers for a 1st rounder.


Missed that...where do you see that?
RE: Dave Te posted last night that the Cards are close to a deal  
Big Rick in FL : 4/25/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14403844 Spider56 said:
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With Rosen going to the Chargers for a 1st rounder.


Didn't Dave Te also say the Giants were trading for Alvin Kamara?

I'll take Schefters's word over Dave Te anyday. Especially on draft day. Not a knock on Dave Te. It's just Schefter is the best in the game.
RE: Josh Allen at 6  
jhibb : 4/25/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14403322 superspynyg said:
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Devin Bush at 17
Josh Rosen for pick 37
Mike Remmers in FA

Sign me up NOW!


It's a bit silly, but it would make me smile if after passing on the QBs last year, the Giants come away from this draft with Josh Rosen and (a) Josh Allen.

A trade..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/25/2019 10:26 am : link
to the Chargers without talking to them!!

That would be impressive....
Rosen is better than any QB in this draft.  
Since1965 : 4/25/2019 10:32 am : link
Go get him, even if what they have to give up is perceived as a slight overpay. We're talking QB here.
RE: Rosen is Phil Simms...  
upnyg : 4/25/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14403366 Milton said:
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...with Kerry Collins's arm.


I don't see that.
I think its time for DG to get on the phone and do a deal  
PatersonPlank : 4/25/2019 10:34 am : link
Rosen for #37 and something else, then we go:

D at #6,
Trade #17 for a lower 1st Rd pick and a 2nd/3rd
Get more D and OL in the 1st-3rd rounds

Future QB, Starters on D, potential OL starter.
RE: RE: Rosen is Phil Simms...  
Mr. Bungle : 4/25/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14403946 upnyg said:
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...with Kerry Collins's arm.



I don't see that.

Yeah, I don't have the slightest idea what that comparison is based on, either.
RE: Snyder may feel that Rosen and Washington DC are not a good match  
upnyg : 4/25/2019 10:37 am : link
In comment 14403462 Milton said:
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Especially considering the differences in politics. Or maybe he and his scouting department just see better value in Haskins or another rookie QB. I also wonder if everyone is writing off Alex Smith too soon.


My opinion, it's less about Politics (although Rosen may share similar views in DC) and more about decision making. Everyone has a bias or view, but everybody doesn't advertise it. I'm guessing teams want their QB to be the face of the organization not trying to antagonize 1/2 the fan base.
...  
christian : 4/25/2019 10:38 am : link
I'd be very happy if DG pulled off a big trade with AZ and came away with Rosen and Peterson, similar to what the Browns trade ended up being (Zeitler, Peppers, 1, 3, for Vernon and OBJ).

That would allow the Giants to cut Jenkins and replace him with a cheaper, younger, and actually good CB.

But that's not coming cheap. That would take the 6th overall +.
The politics thing is so stupid.  
Mr. Bungle : 4/25/2019 10:43 am : link
He wore a hat on a golf course.

That's it.

People are acting like he's Alec Baldwin.
I think the press and BBI are  
Pete in VA : 4/25/2019 10:43 am : link
undervaluing Rosen. He's better than any of the QBs in this draft. I would offer them 17 if the are willing to give us 65. It allows them to save face and is perfectly reasonable from the Giants standpoint. Also fills that gap in our picks that Gettleman is stressing about.
My offer  
Pete in VA : 4/25/2019 10:47 am : link
is the equivalent of the 27th pick in Jimmie Johnson points.
RE: Snyder may feel that Rosen and Washington DC are not a good match  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/25/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14403462 Milton said:
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I also wonder if everyone is writing off Alex Smith too soon.

Writing off Alex Smith too soon? He had a compound fracture, a spiral fracture, and had to spend a month in the hospital fighting an infection in his leg. It's not like people are claiming he's in an age-related decline. He genuinely may never play football again.
The Cardinals will want a deal done before they take Murray  
Capt. Don : 4/25/2019 10:48 am : link
Once they take Murray, Rosen's trade value drops.

However, if the Giants do indeed trade for Rosen before the draft, they need to make sure that it doesn't break until after their 17th pick. We still would want other teams that QB is a real option for us.

All that said, I trust JT and JonC. They have been very consistent in saying that Rosen is not in play.
Schefter  
Steve in Greenwich : 4/25/2019 10:50 am : link
just said on air that no team has even offered a 2nd round pick for Rosen; kind of confirming what Schrager was saying last night.
RE: The Cardinals will want a deal done before they take Murray  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/25/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14404002 Capt. Don said:
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Once they take Murray, Rosen's trade value drops.

However, if the Giants do indeed trade for Rosen before the draft, they need to make sure that it doesn't break until after their 17th pick. We still would want other teams that QB is a real option for us.

All that said, I trust JT and JonC. They have been very consistent in saying that Rosen is not in play.

How does Rosen's value drop? That makes no sense. The moment they even entertain a Rosen trade, it becomes clear that it's with the intent of taking Murray.

If anything, taking Murray at least gives them a concrete reason to be trading Rosen other than simply wanting to trade Rosen. Trading Rosen after one year without that context is far more damaging to his trade value than waiting until after they've picked Murray.

The timing is almost irrelevant; maximizing their return has much, much more to do with getting multiple teams into the bidding and virtually nothing to do with making sure they trade him before they pick tonight.
RE: RE: Snyder may feel that Rosen and Washington DC are not a good match  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/25/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14403996 Gatorade Dunk said:
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I also wonder if everyone is writing off Alex Smith too soon.


Writing off Alex Smith too soon? He had a compound fracture, a spiral fracture, and had to spend a month in the hospital fighting an infection in his leg. It's not like people are claiming he's in an age-related decline. He genuinely may never play football again.


I've heard that Smith will likely not be able to play again. He probably won't retire until his contract ends unless he gets a full settlement, but his prospects of playing again were estimated to be less than 25% from a source I respect well.
RE: Schefter  
Pete in VA : 4/25/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14404010 Steve in Greenwich said:
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just said on air that no team has even offered a 2nd round pick for Rosen; kind of confirming what Schrager was saying last night.

That is shocking to me. He's a great athlete who throws a beautiful ball. We'll see if that holds.
RE: RE: Schefter  
UConn4523 : 4/25/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14404025 Pete in VA said:
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just said on air that no team has even offered a 2nd round pick for Rosen; kind of confirming what Schrager was saying last night.


That is shocking to me. He's a great athlete who throws a beautiful ball. We'll see if that holds.


Same, unless its just a formality and not wanting to be the team that "sets the bar".
RE: RE: Schefter  
Capt. Don : 4/25/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14404025 Pete in VA said:
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In comment 14404010 Steve in Greenwich said:


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just said on air that no team has even offered a 2nd round pick for Rosen; kind of confirming what Schrager was saying last night.


That is shocking to me. He's a great athlete who throws a beautiful ball. We'll see if that holds.


I think teams are waiting until they pick Murray. More leverage.
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