Adam Schefter on @MutCallahan says the Cardinals do not have a deal in place to trade Josh Rosen and have not spoken to the Patriots this offseason about a potential trade. They have talked to only two teams — Dolphins and Giants.
Here's hoping we go all defense in the first round and #37 for Rosen. Sign me up.
then it's almost certain that the Giants are interested in Rosen, despite whatever any BBIers claim to the contrary.
All depends on how the conversation went. We know DG isn't making the first call. So if Keim called DG to gauge his interest, it could have been a very quick call.
Keim: Hey, Dave. How are you doing? Any interest in Josh?
DG: Doing well, Steve. Have you been drinking? You have to lay off the sauce. Bye, Steve.
Cardinals trying to drum up interest. They thought they would have teams banging there door down for Rosen but it hasn't happened
Probably. Because NFL teams know that they can wait them out tonight with Murray. It's the scenario we've discussed all along. I still wonder if at the end of all this, they trade him to the Chargers for their late first rounder. I think the price tag to beat is #37 with the Giants.
Probably. Because NFL teams know that they can wait them out tonight with Murray. It's the scenario we've discussed all along. I still wonder if at the end of all this, they trade him to the Chargers for their late first rounder. I think the price tag to beat is #37 with the Giants.
Peter Schrager's take last night I thought sounded entirely plausible; the Giants want to come out of the draft with a QB one way or another (just not at #6), but are comfortable with Jones or Lock or Rosen; which will allow them to sit at 17 rather than play chicken with the Redskins at 15. They know if come pick 17 neither Jones or Lock are on the board they can just execute a deal for Rosen since nothing the Cards have gotten for offers could beat the 37th pick. He also opined that quite frankly there's no indication that the Cardinals have even gotten a 2nd round offer at all yet, but thought the Giants 3rd was too low by itself and at that point they would rather just keep Rosen as a backup if all they can get is an end of the 3rd round pick.
I know the opinions on Rosen are all over the map Â
but if the Giants come out of tonight without taking a QB AND acquiring Rosen for #37, I'll be doing cartwheels all the way to work tomorrow... That would be the pie in the sky scenario for me. I desperately wanted Rosen last year, and if we can get him for $0.60 on the dollar this year, I'll be thrilled.
Cardinals trying to drum up interest. They thought they would have teams banging there door down for Rosen but it hasn't happened
but if it was the cardinals leaking to drum upninterest wouldnt they say multiple teams have called them?
Saying only 2 teams called means the price will be lower not higher
This.
It's FAR more likely that the source is coming from the NYG or MIA FO, assuming it's valid in the first place.
I just have a feeling that by the end of the day tomorrow (or even tonight) there's going to be a lot of wondering how the inside info was off the mark this year. And while I do enjoy getting the info that our asshats provide, I also do think that it'll be an encouraging development if the leaks have finally dried up.
2019 5th and a conditional 2022 2nd rounder that drops to a 4th if Rosen doesn't start 85% of the games in 2020 and 2021. But, management *has* to commit to going hard, including a massive trade for a 2020 QB (ranked as one of the top 4 QB's in the draft).
and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..
I don't quite understand the downside of having a young viable alternative in case Eli struggles at 38 years old. If you're confident in Eli's ability, what's the problem? Has he at any point ever seemed like he was remotely affected by criticism?
If there was ever a QB who was seemingly engineered to navigate a would-be QB controversy with poise, it's Eli.
and he follows the team just as closely as we do the Giants and he is adamant that the Dolphins do not really want Rosen and that they are fully committed to landing Tua in 2020. If he is right then that would leave the Giants as the only true suitor currently. That could all change tonight if a team like Washington misses out on their top 2 QB's or maybe SD or NE were waiting until draft day to show their interest.
and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..
This mentality should terrify fans. If a team with 8 combined wins over 2 years, has a lame duck, 38-year-old QB who struggles, we should worry the 2nd year top 10 draft pick will play?
and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..
I don't quite understand the downside of having a young viable alternative in case Eli struggles at 38 years old. If you're confident in Eli's ability, what's the problem? Has he at any point ever seemed like he was remotely affected by criticism?
If there was ever a QB who was seemingly engineered to navigate a would-be QB controversy with poise, it's Eli.
and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..
This mentality should terrify fans. If a team with 8 combined wins over 2 years, has a lame duck, 38-year-old QB who struggles, we should worry the 2nd year top 10 draft pick will play?
If Eli struggles or the team struggles they should be playing any young QB they have.
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and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..
I don't quite understand the downside of having a young viable alternative in case Eli struggles at 38 years old. If you're confident in Eli's ability, what's the problem? Has he at any point ever seemed like he was remotely affected by criticism?
If there was ever a QB who was seemingly engineered to navigate a would-be QB controversy with poise, it's Eli.
#2 pick for Rosen. I would give a 3rd and a 4th though. Best part about that would be if in 2 years we are somehow in play for the QB from Clemson then nothing lost by doing that.
Of Rosen and Peterson is available, I would gladly trade our #17 pick for that straight up. Would take our secondary from a major weakness to a strength in one move, and provide a future plan for life after Eli. I think when you look back on the Beckham trade and if you land that, people will view it as a win.
Of Rosen and Peterson is available, I would gladly trade our #17 pick for that straight up. Would take our secondary from a major weakness to a strength in one move, and provide a future plan for life after Eli. I think when you look back on the Beckham trade and if you land that, people will view it as a win.
I would sign up for this in a heartbeat ... PP is only 28 and still playing at an elite level
Of Rosen and Peterson is available, I would gladly trade our #17 pick for that straight up. Would take our secondary from a major weakness to a strength in one move, and provide a future plan for life after Eli. I think when you look back on the Beckham trade and if you land that, people will view it as a win.
I would sign up for this in a heartbeat ... PP is only 28 and still playing at an elite level
love to get Rosen for #37, but trust the insiders JonC and jtgiants that the Giants don't want to pay that much. But their interest level and that of other teams may well increase based on what happens in the draft.
and then a trade for rosen with only pick #37. like the OP says. Sorry Eli, I love you..i really..really do. However if we do that trade you are the backup. No way..no way do I at all stunt the growth of rosen to make Eli happy. He will be the highest paid backup in nfl history for a year. Its already on the cap, he already made his bonus so he can tutor rosen and be our backup even if for this year they are similar. If we do this trade rosen should start right away.
So curious as to what DG and PS think of JR.
Dave Te posted last night that the Cards are close to a deal Â
Of Rosen and Peterson is available, I would gladly trade our #17 pick for that straight up. Would take our secondary from a major weakness to a strength in one move, and provide a future plan for life after Eli. I think when you look back on the Beckham trade and if you land that, people will view it as a win.
I would sign up for this in a heartbeat ... PP is only 28 and still playing at an elite level
Holy crap. That would be an amazing score.
Getting both for 17 and a 4th would be amazing. Don't see the Giants taking on Rosen though.
RE: Dave Te posted last night that the Cards are close to a deal Â
Devin Bush at 17
Josh Rosen for pick 37
Mike Remmers in FA
Sign me up NOW!
It's a bit silly, but it would make me smile if after passing on the QBs last year, the Giants come away from this draft with Josh Rosen and (a) Josh Allen.
Especially considering the differences in politics. Or maybe he and his scouting department just see better value in Haskins or another rookie QB. I also wonder if everyone is writing off Alex Smith too soon.
My opinion, it's less about Politics (although Rosen may share similar views in DC) and more about decision making. Everyone has a bias or view, but everybody doesn't advertise it. I'm guessing teams want their QB to be the face of the organization not trying to antagonize 1/2 the fan base.
I'd be very happy if DG pulled off a big trade with AZ and came away with Rosen and Peterson, similar to what the Browns trade ended up being (Zeitler, Peppers, 1, 3, for Vernon and OBJ).
That would allow the Giants to cut Jenkins and replace him with a cheaper, younger, and actually good CB.
But that's not coming cheap. That would take the 6th overall +.
undervaluing Rosen. He's better than any of the QBs in this draft. I would offer them 17 if the are willing to give us 65. It allows them to save face and is perfectly reasonable from the Giants standpoint. Also fills that gap in our picks that Gettleman is stressing about.
I also wonder if everyone is writing off Alex Smith too soon.
Writing off Alex Smith too soon? He had a compound fracture, a spiral fracture, and had to spend a month in the hospital fighting an infection in his leg. It's not like people are claiming he's in an age-related decline. He genuinely may never play football again.
The Cardinals will want a deal done before they take Murray Â
However, if the Giants do indeed trade for Rosen before the draft, they need to make sure that it doesn't break until after their 17th pick. We still would want other teams that QB is a real option for us.
All that said, I trust JT and JonC. They have been very consistent in saying that Rosen is not in play.
However, if the Giants do indeed trade for Rosen before the draft, they need to make sure that it doesn't break until after their 17th pick. We still would want other teams that QB is a real option for us.
All that said, I trust JT and JonC. They have been very consistent in saying that Rosen is not in play.
How does Rosen's value drop? That makes no sense. The moment they even entertain a Rosen trade, it becomes clear that it's with the intent of taking Murray.
If anything, taking Murray at least gives them a concrete reason to be trading Rosen other than simply wanting to trade Rosen. Trading Rosen after one year without that context is far more damaging to his trade value than waiting until after they've picked Murray.
The timing is almost irrelevant; maximizing their return has much, much more to do with getting multiple teams into the bidding and virtually nothing to do with making sure they trade him before they pick tonight.
RE: RE: Snyder may feel that Rosen and Washington DC are not a good match Â
I also wonder if everyone is writing off Alex Smith too soon.
Writing off Alex Smith too soon? He had a compound fracture, a spiral fracture, and had to spend a month in the hospital fighting an infection in his leg. It's not like people are claiming he's in an age-related decline. He genuinely may never play football again.
I've heard that Smith will likely not be able to play again. He probably won't retire until his contract ends unless he gets a full settlement, but his prospects of playing again were estimated to be less than 25% from a source I respect well.
All depends on how the conversation went. We know DG isn't making the first call. So if Keim called DG to gauge his interest, it could have been a very quick call.
Keim: Hey, Dave. How are you doing? Any interest in Josh?
DG: Doing well, Steve. Have you been drinking? You have to lay off the sauce. Bye, Steve.
Probably. Because NFL teams know that they can wait them out tonight with Murray. It's the scenario we've discussed all along. I still wonder if at the end of all this, they trade him to the Chargers for their late first rounder. I think the price tag to beat is #37 with the Giants.
I can't believe this is true though. I imagine a lot of teams are in on Rosen.
I've been consistent with a 3rd and a 5th for Rosen.
Of course, the Giants 3rd Rd. pick is the Pats pick
(via Clev.) at the end of the 3rd?
Probably. Because NFL teams know that they can wait them out tonight with Murray. It's the scenario we've discussed all along. I still wonder if at the end of all this, they trade him to the Chargers for their late first rounder. I think the price tag to beat is #37 with the Giants.
Peter Schrager's take last night I thought sounded entirely plausible; the Giants want to come out of the draft with a QB one way or another (just not at #6), but are comfortable with Jones or Lock or Rosen; which will allow them to sit at 17 rather than play chicken with the Redskins at 15. They know if come pick 17 neither Jones or Lock are on the board they can just execute a deal for Rosen since nothing the Cards have gotten for offers could beat the 37th pick. He also opined that quite frankly there's no indication that the Cardinals have even gotten a 2nd round offer at all yet, but thought the Giants 3rd was too low by itself and at that point they would rather just keep Rosen as a backup if all they can get is an end of the 3rd round pick.
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Cardinals trying to drum up interest. They thought they would have teams banging there door down for Rosen but it hasn't happened
but if it was the cardinals leaking to drum upninterest wouldnt they say multiple teams have called them?
Saying only 2 teams called means the price will be lower not higher
This.
It's FAR more likely that the source is coming from the NYG or MIA FO, assuming it's valid in the first place.
I just have a feeling that by the end of the day tomorrow (or even tonight) there's going to be a lot of wondering how the inside info was off the mark this year. And while I do enjoy getting the info that our asshats provide, I also do think that it'll be an encouraging development if the leaks have finally dried up.
I don't quite understand the downside of having a young viable alternative in case Eli struggles at 38 years old. If you're confident in Eli's ability, what's the problem? Has he at any point ever seemed like he was remotely affected by criticism?
If there was ever a QB who was seemingly engineered to navigate a would-be QB controversy with poise, it's Eli.
Concussion history and........
....yeah, that's about it.
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So many reasons to not want him on the Giants.
Concussion history and........
....yeah, that's about it.
Yeah, otherwise how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln.
This mentality should terrify fans. If a team with 8 combined wins over 2 years, has a lame duck, 38-year-old QB who struggles, we should worry the 2nd year top 10 draft pick will play?
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and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..
I don't quite understand the downside of having a young viable alternative in case Eli struggles at 38 years old. If you're confident in Eli's ability, what's the problem? Has he at any point ever seemed like he was remotely affected by criticism?
If there was ever a QB who was seemingly engineered to navigate a would-be QB controversy with poise, it's Eli.
Eli’s feelings > winning in 2019 ...
That hot take just won't die, will it?
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and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..
This mentality should terrify fans. If a team with 8 combined wins over 2 years, has a lame duck, 38-year-old QB who struggles, we should worry the 2nd year top 10 draft pick will play?
If Eli struggles or the team struggles they should be playing any young QB they have.
Makes sense
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and Rosen's second year makes this lean toward the unlikely side IMO. All Eli has to to is start to struggle and boom..
I don't quite understand the downside of having a young viable alternative in case Eli struggles at 38 years old. If you're confident in Eli's ability, what's the problem? Has he at any point ever seemed like he was remotely affected by criticism?
If there was ever a QB who was seemingly engineered to navigate a would-be QB controversy with poise, it's Eli.
this is the sane way of looking at it
IMO, that's a fair price, and one I'd be willing to pay.
IMO, that's a fair price, and one I'd be willing to pay.
Ive been saying 37 and conditional 2020 pick all offseason
Rosen would be in play at 6 overall in this draft, its a no brainer
I would sign up for this in a heartbeat ... PP is only 28 and still playing at an elite level
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Of Rosen and Peterson is available, I would gladly trade our #17 pick for that straight up. Would take our secondary from a major weakness to a strength in one move, and provide a future plan for life after Eli. I think when you look back on the Beckham trade and if you land that, people will view it as a win.
I would sign up for this in a heartbeat ... PP is only 28 and still playing at an elite level
Holy crap. That would be an amazing score.
So curious as to what DG and PS think of JR.
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Of Rosen and Peterson is available, I would gladly trade our #17 pick for that straight up. Would take our secondary from a major weakness to a strength in one move, and provide a future plan for life after Eli. I think when you look back on the Beckham trade and if you land that, people will view it as a win.
I would sign up for this in a heartbeat ... PP is only 28 and still playing at an elite level
Holy crap. That would be an amazing score.
Getting both for 17 and a 4th would be amazing. Don't see the Giants taking on Rosen though.
Missed that...where do you see that?
Didn't Dave Te also say the Giants were trading for Alvin Kamara?
I'll take Schefters's word over Dave Te anyday. Especially on draft day. Not a knock on Dave Te. It's just Schefter is the best in the game.
Josh Rosen for pick 37
Mike Remmers in FA
Sign me up NOW!
It's a bit silly, but it would make me smile if after passing on the QBs last year, the Giants come away from this draft with Josh Rosen and (a) Josh Allen.
That would be impressive....
I don't see that.
D at #6,
Trade #17 for a lower 1st Rd pick and a 2nd/3rd
Get more D and OL in the 1st-3rd rounds
Future QB, Starters on D, potential OL starter.
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...with Kerry Collins's arm.
I don't see that.
Yeah, I don't have the slightest idea what that comparison is based on, either.
My opinion, it's less about Politics (although Rosen may share similar views in DC) and more about decision making. Everyone has a bias or view, but everybody doesn't advertise it. I'm guessing teams want their QB to be the face of the organization not trying to antagonize 1/2 the fan base.
That would allow the Giants to cut Jenkins and replace him with a cheaper, younger, and actually good CB.
But that's not coming cheap. That would take the 6th overall +.
That's it.
People are acting like he's Alec Baldwin.
Writing off Alex Smith too soon? He had a compound fracture, a spiral fracture, and had to spend a month in the hospital fighting an infection in his leg. It's not like people are claiming he's in an age-related decline. He genuinely may never play football again.
However, if the Giants do indeed trade for Rosen before the draft, they need to make sure that it doesn't break until after their 17th pick. We still would want other teams that QB is a real option for us.
All that said, I trust JT and JonC. They have been very consistent in saying that Rosen is not in play.
However, if the Giants do indeed trade for Rosen before the draft, they need to make sure that it doesn't break until after their 17th pick. We still would want other teams that QB is a real option for us.
All that said, I trust JT and JonC. They have been very consistent in saying that Rosen is not in play.
How does Rosen's value drop? That makes no sense. The moment they even entertain a Rosen trade, it becomes clear that it's with the intent of taking Murray.
If anything, taking Murray at least gives them a concrete reason to be trading Rosen other than simply wanting to trade Rosen. Trading Rosen after one year without that context is far more damaging to his trade value than waiting until after they've picked Murray.
The timing is almost irrelevant; maximizing their return has much, much more to do with getting multiple teams into the bidding and virtually nothing to do with making sure they trade him before they pick tonight.
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I also wonder if everyone is writing off Alex Smith too soon.
Writing off Alex Smith too soon? He had a compound fracture, a spiral fracture, and had to spend a month in the hospital fighting an infection in his leg. It's not like people are claiming he's in an age-related decline. He genuinely may never play football again.
I've heard that Smith will likely not be able to play again. He probably won't retire until his contract ends unless he gets a full settlement, but his prospects of playing again were estimated to be less than 25% from a source I respect well.
That is shocking to me. He's a great athlete who throws a beautiful ball. We'll see if that holds.
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just said on air that no team has even offered a 2nd round pick for Rosen; kind of confirming what Schrager was saying last night.
That is shocking to me. He's a great athlete who throws a beautiful ball. We'll see if that holds.
Same, unless its just a formality and not wanting to be the team that "sets the bar".
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just said on air that no team has even offered a 2nd round pick for Rosen; kind of confirming what Schrager was saying last night.
That is shocking to me. He's a great athlete who throws a beautiful ball. We'll see if that holds.
I think teams are waiting until they pick Murray. More leverage.