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superspynyg : 8:32 am
What a wild win last night. I am sorry I missed it. Down 5-0 going into the 6th. Pull out a 6-5 win. I love LeMeheiu.

Last night had it all great def by Trout. The hidden ball trick. Winning it in the 9th. This team just keeps winning. We lost so many starters and we keep grinding out wins.

14-10. 6 game win streak. 2nd n the East and only 1.5 games back from the Rays.

Kudos to Cashman and Boone for keeping this tram in it.
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I'm always leery..  
about pinning things on training staffs because injuries are mostly a result of a small sample size.

A few years ago, the warriors had been one of the most injured teams in the NFL. They brought in a new S&C guy and a new trainer and they were one of the healthiest. The following year, they went back to being one of the most injured.

The only time there has been a correlation to injury was in relation to the playing surfaces. It was one of the main drivers of going away from carpeting on concrete to the FieldTurf we see today.
Sorry..  
NBA - obviously
This "IL" stuff is annoying  
Greg from LI : 10:09 am : link
Makes me think guys are being sent down to Scranton. Changing the name from disabled list to injured list is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. How much of a whiner do you have to be to actually be offended by something so innocuous?
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arcarsenal : 10:10 am : link
I agree, Kyle - they need to look at what Matt Krause is doing and figure out if the methodology is contributing to these injuries somehow. If someone needs to lose a job over this, that's probably the guy... this just doesn't seem right. It's beyond bad luck.

Hell, Stanton is another one... his bicep fully healed, now he's getting a cortisone shot in his shoulder?

How are guys getting injured while they're rehabbing?

Severino was hurt before he ever even took the mound in the Spring. Literally was scheduled to make his first start and got scratched right before it.

Injuries like Andujar or Frazier... I can understand those. They slide into these bags with no give and get jammed and get hurt. Frazier's sliding technique is bad - he needs to fix that. But that's not the point... those injuries make sense.

Betances, I don't know... I guess he altered his pre-season prep on his own accord because he had a kid, etc. But that shouldn't be an excuse. Hicks' back issue seemed to just crop up out of nowhere, too.

I feel like I brought the Mets training staff to the Bronx with me... it's almost hard to believe. But, the Yanks just keep winning and like I keep saying... if they can just hang in there until a bunch of the reinforcements return, I think this will be beneficial in the end because it'll boost the value of a lot of guys and will add depth by way of the Urshela's, Tauchman's, Ford's etc. getting MLB PT and experience.

I would have the injured guys back yesterday if I had my way. But part of me is enjoying this adversity and the way the Yanks just keep finding ways and won't give up. Some major character/team building stuff here.
RE: RE: Wow...  
M.S. : 10:11 am : link
In comment 14403657 Carson53 said:
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In comment 14403485 M.S. said:


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...very, very easy to root for a team like this with so many subs playing big time ball.

As an aside, I don't think Gary Sanchez is the long term solution at catcher.

Assuming he is on this team long term, I believe the Yankees are gonna have to create a hybrid role for this guy where he DHs a lot; maybe plays first base occasionally; and then catches every 3rd or 4th game. Maybe.

But I know what a competent MLB catcher looks like, and he ain't it. I just hope he becomes a reliable guy with the bat who keeps the strikeouts down to a "tolerable" level.

Bottom line: If this guy becomes a reliable bat in critical game situations, that's plenty good enough for me. And, if not, then who really knows the long term future for this guy? An erratic, unpredictable bat combined with bad catching skills is not a recipe for a long term MLB contract.



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Keep in mind, they put up with Posada here as a catcher.
The 2nd half of his career, he wasn't very good behind the plate. He had a lot of passed balls.
I think Sanchez is the type of player, that
you have to stay on him about his work habits.
If he doesn't improve and become average at least, they
may have to do something in the future? At least he can
throw when he is right.

Can you compare Sanchez with Posada? Kinda like two totally different temperaments. Posada was one of the unspoken leaders on those great Yankees teams, and if he ever thought someone was lollygagging, taking it easy, etc., he would get in their face. That ain't Sanchez. Very different dudes.

I just don't know what to think of Sanchez... sure I love the tatters when he's on a hot streak. But this dude will just cost us games behind the plate. His cannon arm down to 2nd base doesn't mean jack-shit when he can't catch/field the ball.

IMO, I think there are loads of Yankee fans who have NOT taken a long, hard, cold look at this player. His power is the seduction and so a lot gets glossed over. I still think it's 50-50 whether or not Cashman signs this guy to a long-term contract. And it may be less than 50% chance.
Certainly possible  
Kyle in NY : 10:11 am : link
that this is just awful luck. Although I think seeing a lot of muscle/soft tissue injuries should spark some questions or at least a bit of introspection about what the heck is going on, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
Hicks has had back injuries before though, hasn't he?  
Greg from LI : 10:12 am : link
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Sanchez is better behind the plate than Posada was  
Greg from LI : 10:12 am : link
Plain and simple.
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arcarsenal : 10:15 am : link
Hicks does have back issues of the "chronic" variety - I don't really blame the Yanks for that flaring back up. Although I think being aware of it, I'd have wanted them to be a little more careful with it... but I realize you can't prevent everything.

Injuries of the Stanton and Judge variety are the hardest ones for me to understand. It's tough to have key sluggers go down just from swinging a bat. They have to swing a bat. It's their job. They can't be pulling and straining muscles that way.

And for Stanton to somehow develop a new shoulder injury while he's on the IL... I just can't understand that.
RE: the hilarious thing is Romine isn't even much of a catcher  
M.S. : 10:15 am : link
In comment 14403701 Greg from LI said:
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For a light-hitting backup, he's very mediocre behind the plate.

I don't think Romine is anything "special" behind the plate, but it only takes an inning or two watching him receive the ball vs Gary Sanchez to realize that the latter is a minus MLB catcher. That's just the way it is. Love Gary's power (when he's hot), but there's very little else about this young man's game that is worth watching. Of all the young stars on this very fine Yankees team, it's my bet that he will be somewhere else one day.

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Kyle in NY : 10:16 am : link
A good test will be when guys start coming back, are they able to stay healthy or do issues crop right back up? It's hard to blame trainers for Andujar jamming his shoulder or Hicks having chronic issues. But we can quantify the impact a bit of their rehab and the timetables being given for these injuries if they come back healthy and ready to go

The Stanton thing is strange, I will say that.
What??  
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IMO, I think there are loads of Yankee fans who have NOT taken a long, hard, cold look at this player.


If anything, it seems like people complaining about Sanchez haven't taken the look.

His power numbers are excellent. And his behind the plate fielding is overblown. I mean - it is even alluded to above that his defense is costing them games. GAMES???

Where's the "hard, cold look" to back that up?
You're wrong  
Greg from LI : 10:17 am : link
Sanchez calls a better game, frames better, and throws infinitely better. Did you notice how teams were running wild on Romine and Higashioka?
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arcarsenal : 10:18 am : link
A few passed balls does not a poor defensive catcher make...
RE: Hicks has had back injuries before though, hasn't he?  
Del Shofner : 10:18 am : link
In comment 14403853 Greg from LI said:
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2017 - oblique
2018 - intercostal (whatever that is)

Not back per se, but core, and core and back have some correlation based on my experience with them.
Urshela is out of options, right?  
wigs in nyc : 10:22 am : link
So if/when they try to send him down he has to pass through wavers, which isn't likely to work out.
From an injury..  
standpoint, I completely understand the swing injuries:

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Injuries of the Stanton and Judge variety are the hardest ones for me to understand. It's tough to have key sluggers go down just from swinging a bat. They have to swing a bat. It's their job. They can't be pulling and straining muscles that way.


If there's an issue - it is in technique, which is a coaching issue, not a training one.

Power hitters these days generate so much torque in their swing to deliver the power. It is what sets them apart as players, but also heightens their risk for oblique, back and arm injuries. We aren't talking about guys casually swinging away like they are Mark Belanger. They are taking some serious hacks!
RE: If some..  
In comment 14403663 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of the guys who post on the Yankee threads got their wish, they'd give Sanchez away for a hot pretzel and be perfectly fine having Romine as the everyday C.

And the Yanks would be a much worse team for it, so they'd move onto the next erroneous thing to bitch about. Like Chapman being very unreliable...


I do enjoy a good hot pretzel.
Put some..  
hot queso on the pretzel and you have yourself a Dirty Sanchez....
RE: From an injury..  
arcarsenal : 10:28 am : link
In comment 14403906 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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standpoint, I completely understand the swing injuries:



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Injuries of the Stanton and Judge variety are the hardest ones for me to understand. It's tough to have key sluggers go down just from swinging a bat. They have to swing a bat. It's their job. They can't be pulling and straining muscles that way.



If there's an issue - it is in technique, which is a coaching issue, not a training one.

Power hitters these days generate so much torque in their swing to deliver the power. It is what sets them apart as players, but also heightens their risk for oblique, back and arm injuries. We aren't talking about guys casually swinging away like they are Mark Belanger. They are taking some serious hacks!


I guess my thinking is that maybe they're not loose enough or not doing the proper stretching/prep and these muscles are grabbing and pulling in some of the colder weather on hard swings.

You're more well-versed in this stuff than I am, so I'll default on that.

I just see this IL list for this team and it seems nearly impossible to happen organically without some sort of contributing issue somewhere internally.... but maybe it really just is terrible, terrible luck.
Anyone burying Sanchez after one bad game  
mfsd : 10:31 am : link
coming back from 3 weeks off need to get a grip
I think..  
there are some contributing issues - just not necessarily on training or S&C.

As you mentioned above, the ankle injuries are a baseball thing sliding into stationary objects. When OF guys crash into a wall or tarp and get injured, that may be an issue with technique, but it also is just an aspect of the game.

I detailed the swing issues above - and those would apply to Hicks, Stanton and Judge (and likely to Sanchez too). Pitching injuries are a crapshoot.

It does suck because the injuries seem so clustered, but I don't think you can point to anything from a training standpoint that is a glaring cause.
interesting musing at RAB this morning  
Greg from LI : 10:35 am : link
Torres has looked much smoother and more comfortable at SS this year than he did at second base last year. Might it not be a better idea to keep him there and move Didi to second when he comes back?
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Following Wednesdays game, the Yankees optioned RHP Jonathan Loaisiga to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
Urshela, Torres and DJM  
Del Shofner : 10:39 am : link
are not a bad 3/4 of an infield defensively or offensively. Funny to think that it's "second string."

On the other hand, the corner OF spots and 1B, we're sort of playing the "third string" right now.

Makes the wins that much sweeter.

RE: interesting musing at RAB this morning  
Kyle in NY : 10:40 am : link
In comment 14403953 Greg from LI said:
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Torres has looked much smoother and more comfortable at SS this year than he did at second base last year. Might it not be a better idea to keep him there and move Didi to second when he comes back?


I'm going to miss RAB sooooooo much
Seeing  
mitch300 : 10:42 am : link
How Wades speed can change a game last night is why him not able to hit is stopping him from being an impact player. For those that didn't see the game ,he gets a hit in the 9th and steals 2nd and scores on LeMahieu single. Unfortunately I think as other do he is a AAAA player.
Cone  
mitch300 : 10:44 am : link
said the other day on the broadcast that the Yankees will do and spend whatever is needed to decrease the injuries. I have ben saying that all along. We no how much money they spend on scouts/analytics etc. I don't think they are going to skimp on training staff and conditioning.
RE: Seeing  
arcarsenal : 10:47 am : link
In comment 14403976 mitch300 said:
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How Wades speed can change a game last night is why him not able to hit is stopping him from being an impact player. For those that didn't see the game ,he gets a hit in the 9th and steals 2nd and scores on LeMahieu single. Unfortunately I think as other do he is a AAAA player.


He was really hesitant in LF, too. Both of those Pujols bloops probably could have been caught if he had a good first step/angle. Especially the first one. He just stood there and let it drop 5 feet in front of him.

His versatility and speed are valuable... I just wish the guy could hit.
sanchez  
2cents : 10:47 am : link
im a proud Gary defender and i think his play this year will silence all of this talk. Strange to see some take such a strong stance on him after his first game back from a IL stint. the guy is an absolute stud and his apparent "defensive liability" gets completely over blown. he will be out backstop for years to come.
Me too  
Greg from LI : 10:47 am : link
I started reading RAB during the 2009 season, and it's been a daily read for me ever since. I don't know what I'll do without it, frankly.
RE: You're wrong  
BigBlueShock : 10:55 am : link
In comment 14403874 Greg from LI said:
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Sanchez calls a better game, frames better, and throws infinitely better. Did you notice how teams were running wild on Romine and Higashioka?

There has been plenty of data that shows that Sanchez is one of the better catchers in baseball defensively. Literally the only negative to that part of his game is the occasional passed ball. Last year, David Cone was doing one of the telecasts laughing at people that continue to shit on Sanchez defense. He said that Sanchez checks out as well above average in every defensive metric but passed balls, and even elite in things like pitch framing.

Yet, fans watching from their couch continue to act like they know what the hell their talking about and kill Sanchez daily. Yankees fans always need a punching bag. Sanchez and Boone are somehow the lucky winners the past couple of years...
RE: Me too  
Kyle in NY : 10:57 am : link
In comment 14404000 Greg from LI said:
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I started reading RAB during the 2009 season, and it's been a daily read for me ever since. I don't know what I'll do without it, frankly.


I'd heard of it for a while but unfortunately didn't start daily reading until the 2016 sell-off. I guess I'll reach the archives once it goes. There's no other blog like it
RE: RE: You're wrong  
M.S. : 11:38 am : link
In comment 14404039 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14403874 Greg from LI said:


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Sanchez calls a better game, frames better, and throws infinitely better. Did you notice how teams were running wild on Romine and Higashioka?


There has been plenty of data that shows that Sanchez is one of the better catchers in baseball defensively. Literally the only negative to that part of his game is the occasional passed ball. Last year, David Cone was doing one of the telecasts laughing at people that continue to shit on Sanchez defense. He said that Sanchez checks out as well above average in every defensive metric but passed balls, and even elite in things like pitch framing.

Yet, fans watching from their couch continue to act like they know what the hell their talking about and kill Sanchez daily. Yankees fans always need a punching bag. Sanchez and Boone are somehow the lucky winners the past couple of years...


Too lazy to post defensive stats, but let's just look at our cross-town rival, the New York Mets.

Their catcher, Travis d'Arnaud, has made 19 Errors in his career out of 3,216 Total Chances. Gary Sanchez: 27 Errors in 2,208 chances.

Here's the AL East (Career Totals):

Baltimore Jess Sucre 7 Errors in 1,772 Total Chances
Tampa Bay's Mike Zunino 22 Errors in 4,809 Total Chances
Boston's Christian Vzquez 18 Errors in 2,515 Total Chances
Toronto's Danny Jansen 3 Errors in 332 Total Chances
Toronto's Luke Maile 14 Errors in 1,381 Total Chances

THAT'S JUST THE AL EAST.

I'll repeat what I said earlier. Out of all the very fine young players that wear Pinstripes, it is my opinion that Gary Sanchez could well be the player that is not offered a long-term contract from Cashman.
You could..  
have just said "too lazy" and left it at that.

Again - how many losses does that translate to? And how many wins does he contribute to?
RE: RE: RE: You're wrong  
mfsd : 11:47 am : link
In comment 14404239 M.S. said:
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In comment 14404039 BigBlueShock said:


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In comment 14403874 Greg from LI said:


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Sanchez calls a better game, frames better, and throws infinitely better. Did you notice how teams were running wild on Romine and Higashioka?


There has been plenty of data that shows that Sanchez is one of the better catchers in baseball defensively. Literally the only negative to that part of his game is the occasional passed ball. Last year, David Cone was doing one of the telecasts laughing at people that continue to shit on Sanchez defense. He said that Sanchez checks out as well above average in every defensive metric but passed balls, and even elite in things like pitch framing.

Yet, fans watching from their couch continue to act like they know what the hell their talking about and kill Sanchez daily. Yankees fans always need a punching bag. Sanchez and Boone are somehow the lucky winners the past couple of years...



Too lazy to post defensive stats, but let's just look at our cross-town rival, the New York Mets.

Their catcher, Travis d'Arnaud, has made 19 Errors in his career out of 3,216 Total Chances. Gary Sanchez: 27 Errors in 2,208 chances.

Here's the AL East (Career Totals):

Baltimore Jess Sucre 7 Errors in 1,772 Total Chances
Tampa Bay's Mike Zunino 22 Errors in 4,809 Total Chances
Boston's Christian Vzquez 18 Errors in 2,515 Total Chances
Toronto's Danny Jansen 3 Errors in 332 Total Chances
Toronto's Luke Maile 14 Errors in 1,381 Total Chances

THAT'S JUST THE AL EAST.

I'll repeat what I said earlier. Out of all the very fine young players that wear Pinstripes, it is my opinion that Gary Sanchez could well be the player that is not offered a long-term contract from Cashman.


So in a world where errors are the only measure of defensive ability and all catchers are of equal ability at the plate, your post holds water.
Per Jack Curry  
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I don't think I'll ever understand  
Mike from SI : 12:19 pm : link
Yankees fans who are so anti-Gary at this stage. It's very strange to me.
RE: You're wrong  
section125 : 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14403874 Greg from LI said:
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Sanchez calls a better game, frames better, and throws infinitely better. Did you notice how teams were running wild on Romine and Higashioka?


You can be a jackass. They were running on the pitchers. Coney clearly said that. Also, Cone said Romine is the better catcher. Romine sucked two games in a row, true. But comes down to whether people trust your opinion or Cone's. I think I would take Cone's.
RE: I don't think I'll ever understand  
M.S. : 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14404460 Mike from SI said:
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Yankees fans who are so anti-Gary at this stage. It's very strange to me.


Definitely not anti-Gary.

When this guy is hot, no ballpark can hold him back.

But he is streaky... and he is a significant defensive liability behind the plate.



RE: You could..  
M.S. : 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14404252 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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have just said "too lazy" and left it at that.

Again - how many losses does that translate to? And how many wins does he contribute to?


Ahhh got it. Just let me know what source contains such information and will be glad to dig out the answer for you.
MS  
Bill2 : 1:26 pm : link
Which team in the major leagues averages the highest late movement on their pitches?

Which major league team averages the highest velocity on their pitches?

Which major league team averages the most number of curving pitch types? (Sliders, Sinkers, Curveballs and Cutters)

Does late sudden movement on fast pitches correlate to making them hard to catch cleanly?

Thanks for making analytically sound observations
players get injured - it happens  
RasputinPrime : 1:40 pm : link
but whether there is blame to be assigned or not, heads gotta roll and more money needs to be spent on better science to keep these guys from missing games. There is too much money on the field to have them watching a triple-A team out there.
RE: MS  
M.S. : 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14404746 Bill2 said:
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Which team in the major leagues averages the highest late movement on their pitches?

Which major league team averages the highest velocity on their pitches?

Which major league team averages the most number of curving pitch types? (Sliders, Sinkers, Curveballs and Cutters)

Does late sudden movement on fast pitches correlate to making them hard to catch cleanly?

Thanks for making analytically sound observations


Since when were catchers' defensive stats adjusted by all the criteria you've listed? And what source do you know about for such Sabermetrics?

In the meantime, let's keep all of your criteria constant as best we can by simply comparing Sanchez with another Yankee who has to deal with the same staff:

Gary Sanchez: 27 Errors in 2,208 chances (.988 Fielding Pct.)

Austin Romine: 10 Errors in 2,150 chances (0.995 Fielding Pct.)



RE: RE: MS  
Greg from LI : 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14405312 M.S. said:
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Since when were catchers' defensive stats adjusted by all the criteria you've listed? And what source do you know about for such Sabermetrics?

In the meantime, let's keep all of your criteria constant as best we can by simply comparing Sanchez with another Yankee who has to deal with the same staff:

Gary Sanchez: 27 Errors in 2,208 chances (.988 Fielding Pct.)

Austin Romine: 10 Errors in 2,150 chances (0.995 Fielding Pct.)


CS%: Romine 21%, Sanchez 35%

rCERA (which is a measure of a catcher's game calling by comparing pitcher performance with that catcher vs other catchers): Sanchez, career total of 7, never been negative (2016 0, 2017 3, 2018 3, 2019 1); Romine, career total of -4.

DRS (Defensive Runs Saved, measures how many runs less/more a player allows than the average at his position): Sanchez 9 for his career, Romine -5 for his career.

rSZ (Strike Zone Runs Saved, a measure of pitch framing): Sanchez 5 for his career, Romine 5.

LOL..  
Huh??

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RE: You could..
M.S. : 1:18 pm : link : reply
In comment 14404252 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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have just said "too lazy" and left it at that.

Again - how many losses does that translate to? And how many wins does he contribute to?


Ahhh got it. Just let me know what source contains such information and will be glad to dig out the answer for you.


Are you familiar with stats? Sanchez offensive WAR is 8.1 for and his defensive WAR is 1.7
Romine is an acceptable backup  
RasputinPrime : 4:47 pm : link
but he has no business starting for us. That said, to my eye alone, Gary has regressed significantly since 2017 behind the plate.
I'm just praying for Torres right now  
NoGainDayne : 5:27 pm : link
it appears being the best batter on this team puts you in some kind of cosmic danger.

Stay safe Gleyber.
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Bill2 : 5:54 pm : link
Since when does the characteristics of the pitching staff affect catchers?

Always

Since when is it reflected in existing stats?

its not

Since when does a stat mean a person should no longer should think past easy and interpret the second and third derivative in making a sound argument?

All stats are the result of weighted, limited and slanted interpretations of a data series.

If we accepted the stats of an era we would still be using BA as the be all and end all metric determining the value of position players
RE: .  
Mike from SI : 5:58 pm : link
In comment 14405809 Bill2 said:
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Since when does the characteristics of the pitching staff affect catchers?

Always

Since when is it reflected in existing stats?

its not

Since when does a stat mean a person should no longer should think past easy and interpret the second and third derivative in making a sound argument?

All stats are the result of weighted, limited and slanted interpretations of a data series.

If we accepted the stats of an era we would still be using BA as the be all and end all metric determining the value of position players


Put another way, focusing exclusively on errors is misguided.
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