I will preface my remarks by saying I simply didn't watch Rosen play for the Cardinals last season.
But I find it absolutely stunning that someone who was considered one of the top prospects one year ago has fallen so far.
If reports are to be believed, the Cardinals may be having issues finding ANY team willing to give up a #1 pick for him.
A lot of fans say he looked bad last year because the Cards were so bad. I get that. But don't NFL teams understand that too?
What is going on here? There must be more to the story.
You slow roll this out, reel it in during the draft or hell, day 2. You let Arizona get more desperate, with less leverage.
1) Suffered two injuries in 2018 including a hand and toe injury. Injuries were already a concern with him coming out of the draft so those don't help.
2) Team loses a year of control relative to last year (4 years of control vs 5).
3) Teams are just playing hardball and waiting for Arizona to cave because it'll be messy if both Murray and Rosen are on the team.
I don't think he's good, but even I'd still roll the dice at what it looks like the price to acquire him is.
Also Cardinals have less trade leverage because there has been so much hype about them taking Murray, every team knows that they wouldn't carry both of them on the roster...
This. Kingsbury gets fired from Texas Tech, but somehow will transition into being the next offensive guru who lights up the NFL?
...painting themselves into a corner by committing to Kyler Murray early on and then finding their asking price for Josh Rosen consequently diminished.
What NFL team would give up a first rounder for Rosen when they know the Cards want to jettison him?
Physically, he showcased his deadly pocket passing when given the chance.
I can't see how anything he did last year would've negatively affected him with the experts.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Giants have a standing offer of their 2nd round pick.
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Why on earth would we give up 6 or (17 + 34)?
I still think they pass on Murray and stick with Rosen.
Rosen proved a lot last year about his toughness and desire to play football.
Going to be a fun night if they Cards draft Murray or not.
2a) The Cards Oline is shit and can't possibly be rebuilt completely, while learning a new system in one offseason.
2b)With that in mind they need a VERY mobile QB to make the offense work and help make the OLine need not as big as it currently stands.
3) They can change their scheme and entire team while getting something in return for an asset they currently own. If they Draft Murray and Rosen sits a year they will be getting peanuts at best for him..
1) Suffered two injuries in 2018 including a hand and toe injury. Injuries were already a concern with him coming out of the draft so those don't help.
2) Team loses a year of control relative to last year (4 years of control vs 5).
3) Teams are just playing hardball and waiting for Arizona to cave because it'll be messy if both Murray and Rosen are on the team.
I think he also has a history of concussions although I don't think he had any last season.
They know as soon as the Cards expose their lust for Murray with pick 1, Rosen becomes a much more depreciated asset.
I think teams are willing to wait it out and toss their offers in right at or after the 1st pick.
^This. But the answer to your question to me is "nothing." Rosen played for a terrible team, with an OL worse than ours. I didn't want him at #2 last year because of injury concerns, specifically concussions. But he stayed healthy last year, and now the discussion is about pick #37.
I like him much better than any QB in this draft. Sy said he'd trade #6 for him IIRC. There is also no guarantee that we'll be able to get Herbert, Fromm, or Tua next year, and even if we can, it would be extremely expensive in terms of draft capital. Rosen costs almost no draft capital, and his contract is also extremely cheap.
I would guess to one of Giants, Dolphins, Chargers or Patriots.
1) Murray is a superior athlete, that can run and throw with anyone. He's short, but the #1 thing he has going for him is he knows the Kliff's offense already. There is absolutely no learning curve to be had there. He will be plugged in and know the offense day 1. He'll just be learning the simple nuances of Kliff's offense.
2) No team was going to trade for him before draft day. You give up way to much leverage in doing so. Now the price will drop a bit, and he will be moved if they take Murray.
I think Kingsbury really just likes Murray more for the Air Raid concepts he wants to run there and thinks he's a better fit, and they are in a position to take him if they want him - so, they're likely going to do that.
But, they know if they make it clear that they're taking Murray, Rosen's value suddenly plummets because they probably won't carry both and teams are just going to sweat them out of the office by refusing to offer a haul when they know Arizona may get into a spot where "take the best offer" is their only route.
Thus, the Bosa leaks, the nonsense that came out Sunday about them no longer taking Murray, etc.
They want teams to think they're okay with keeping Rosen even if they draft Murray so that they'll bump up their offers a bit to shake him loose. But I think teams are calling their bluff.
Just my guess.
The market clearly isn't there.
If you NEEDED a QB...like the Redskins... and you had a shot to trade for a guy who you really thought could be your franchise QB, would you nickel and dime the Cardinals?
The market clearly isn't there.
Why would any team overpay now, when they wait and pay less?
I don't discount this, but this would have to assume that Gettleman and Shurmur are good with "the guy who will be available."
For the starting QB position of the New York Giants?
Is anyone even offering a #1?
They'd have to determine that they like him more than the QB's that will be available to them in the draft, or QB's they may be interested in trading up for.
Some teams may not like that he's already a year into his contact clock or that he already took a bit of a beating behind a horrid Arizona OL.
I think given the other available options, teams are probably comfortable playing the leverage game up until the buzzer to see if Arizona blinks first.
Perhaps the thought process is more... "we really like Rosen and would like to acquire him, but we're also very comfortable making a move for (insert 2019 QB here) if the price moves into a territory where we don't like the value as much"
I don't think there's much going on behind the scenes here other than that.
Who that's involved with the Cards did you hear that from? I haven't heard anything about him being a jerk here in Phoenix.
I think we are jumping the gun a little bit here.
They pointed out the concerns related to his potentially upsetting a fan base because of his political views.
This may be overblown, but it makes sense as a possible red flag to me.
FWIW, count me in with those who think getting Rosen would be smart.
I think we are jumping the gun a little bit here.
That doesn't make sense to me. They pick #1. No one will draft Murray in front of them.