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So much discussion from the media about how the Giants

barens : 4/25/2019 2:06 pm
need a QB, you almost start to believe it yourself.

Who knows what is going to happen, but I hope Gettleman sort of sticks to what he's preaching and not trade up or reach for a QB. With a better offensive line, and a great running game, if they could conceivably have Manning as the starting QB for the next 2 or 3 years, would that be so bad?

I just keep seeing so many media talking heads mentioning how Giant fans would be enraged if they don't move heaven and earth for a QB, me personally, I just don't get it.
Make No Mistake  
Giants38 : 4/25/2019 2:07 pm : link
They NEED a QB. Whether they get one is another story.
this!  
Platos : 4/25/2019 2:08 pm : link
everyone i talk to just assumes we HAVE to take a QB. like a new QB is the answer. if that was the case couldn't we just start Tanney or Lauletta?

much bigger holes on this team than Eli.

give him a real line, a running game, and he can show the league how he's the best play action passer there is.
Eli is 38, what’s to get?  
Torrag : 4/25/2019 2:09 pm : link
We need some talent in the QB pipeline badly. Doesn’t mean we should force a pick but we should be proactive in seeking solutions.
But they don't need a quarterback, they have there  
barens : 4/25/2019 2:09 pm : link
starting QB for 2019.
If we rip off seasons of double digit wins with Eli, great!  
ron mexico : 4/25/2019 2:14 pm : link
but that hasn't been the case and doesn't look to be the case this year from my uneducated opinion.



Could be a different ballgame with this new OL  
TMS : 4/25/2019 2:14 pm : link
and some top flight defensive help. Keep the faith.
RE: Eli is 38, what’s to get?  
barens : 4/25/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14404929 Torrag said:
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We need some talent in the QB pipeline badly. Doesn’t mean we should force a pick but we should be proactive in seeking solutions.


But he is the starter for 2019..let me at least ask you this, would you be disappointed if they came out of the first round without a QB? I, for one, would not. I think most beat writers would make it seem like the end of the world in that scenario.
RE: But they don't need a quarterback, they have there  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/25/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14404932 barens said:
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starting QB for 2019.


GMs arent paid to operate one year at a time. That's not the job description.
While I'm not thrilled with this QB class  
Blue The Dog : 4/25/2019 2:15 pm : link
and would be okay with passing on a QB this year, its only because its a weak class. We need a QB. There isn't much disputing that. While its clear that Eli is the starter this year (no matter what any of us think of that decision) you don't draft for next season. You draft for the next 5+ seasons.
I really don't want them to take a QB  
OdellBeckhamJr : 4/25/2019 2:16 pm : link
and I'll love it if they don't just to hear the takes from big draft media analysts that had us taking QB
Talk radio  
Fish : 4/25/2019 2:18 pm : link
Most notable Canty, Roth and DP heads would explode if Giants didn’t come out with a QB this year.
They do not need a QB to be successful this year.  
larryflower37 : 4/25/2019 2:22 pm : link
A rebuilt defense is more of a priority.
You can win with Eli for 2 years with a strong O-line, Running game, and Defense.
If I am the GM you need to put a winning product on the field as soon as possible and a new QB doesn't do that as fast as other positions on this team.
RE: Make No Mistake  
since1925 : 4/25/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14404920 Giants38 said:
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They NEED a QB. Whether they get one is another story.


Not for a couple of years. No sense bringing a young guy in to get his brains bashed out. Eli can keep us competitive for a couple of years as we build up the team foe a GOOD young guy. Not just who's available at the time.
RE: Talk radio  
BlueHurricane : 4/25/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14404973 Fish said:
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Most notable Canty, Roth and DP heads would explode if Giants didn’t come out with a QB this year.


Which makes me want this to happen in the worst way.

And then I want the rebuilt D (hopefully from this draft) and O lines to dominate the trenches and Eli to lead the Giants to the playoffs.
RE: Talk radio  
Klaatu : 4/25/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14404973 Fish said:
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Most notable Canty, Roth and DP heads would explode if Giants didn’t come out with a QB this year.


Reason enough not to draft one.
They do need a QB  
GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 2:31 pm : link
but that doesn’t mean you do what stupid teams do and draft for “need”

Best. Player. Available.
RE: Eli is 38, what’s to get?  
joeinpa : 4/25/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14404929 Torrag said:
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We need some talent in the QB pipeline badly. Doesn’t mean we should force a pick but we should be proactive in seeking solutions.


I don’t understand why people don’t get this.

For me it’s has never been about can Eli still play, I think he can and so do the Giants. It s about the glaring hole behind him.

I think those that don’t want quarterback will continue to look to the short term til Eli is gone
You create competition at every position  
rasbutant : 4/25/2019 2:38 pm : link
But yah i agree with the idea of the discussion. Everyone mentions his age. But people have no problem with Big Ben's age, Brady's, Bree's, Rivers... Build a team around Eli and he will be fine.

But that doesn't take away the need to add a QB in the draft. The Giants need at QB is as great as the Pats and Saints for example.
RE: They do need a QB  
Giants38 : 4/25/2019 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14405023 GothamGiants said:
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but that doesn’t mean you do what stupid teams do and draft for “need”

Best. Player. Available.


BPA never happens. It’s absolute stupid talk. Jonathan Taylor is available next year. There’s a decent chance he could be BPA when we pick. Still going BPA? Just stop. It’s a need based league and a need based draft. Now, we have enough needs that the pick will probably fill a need anyway, but NFL teams simply don’t select BPA.

When the Rangers secured the #2 pick, reporters asked if they would target a position. Gorton said this isn’t the NFL where you target needs. GMs from other leagues see this. Why can’t people on this site?
RE: RE: Eli is 38, what’s to get?  
larryflower37 : 4/25/2019 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14405048 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14404929 Torrag said:


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We need some talent in the QB pipeline badly. Doesn’t mean we should force a pick but we should be proactive in seeking solutions.



I don’t understand why people don’t get this.

For me it has never been about can Eli still play, I think he can and so do the Giants. It is about the glaring hole behind him.

I think those that don’t want quarterback will continue to look to the short term til Eli is gone


It's not about looking to the short term.
I would love a young QB to groom and replace Eli but you gotta love the pick and if they did they would have moved up to 1 or 2 to get him.
Address other needs right now and hope you can address QB next year or the year after.
Eli is serviceable this year and maybe next. They are not winning anything next year anyway.
Does a QB drafted this year add to your win total?
RE: RE: Make No Mistake  
BlueVinnie : 4/25/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14405002 since1925 said:
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Not for a couple of years. No sense bringing a young guy in to get his brains bashed out. Eli can keep us competitive for a couple of years as we build up the team foe a GOOD young guy. Not just who's available at the time.


It depends on how you define competitive. If you're talking 8-8, I guess maybe we could win 8 games with Eli as QB. I don't think we will but it's not out of the question.

The goal should be to win championships. It's something that's just not going to happen with Eli. It's over. If they don't love a QB this year they should probably pass. However, if they do, they *MUST* draft one next year. Hopefully we wouldn't have to mortgage the future to heavily to get one but that's now a concern since management will have put our back against the wall.
Media  
bluetothegrave : 4/25/2019 3:06 pm : link
The posts have been better and better. Its us against them boys. The media for the most part when it comes to the Giants is absolutely horrendous. They know..much...much less than the average bbi'r. Their opinions are largely dreadful and full of PC bullshit and just seemingly goes with what the other guy said. Ranaan is horrible, Jay glazer now has become just ok, Peter King has always been awful. Prisco on CBS possibly the worst..the worst journalist that makes a living writing or vloging or whatever that no nothing does about sports.Michael Kay definitely made a deal with the devil. He is wrong about 90% of the time None of them seem good. Mayock was great, I kind of like louis riddick but . Golic also lately seems terrible just to name a few. Boomer is too busy trying to clock dollars to really do any research his partner is a right place right time disaster. They all have agenda's and narratives to try to push their career's along. I think mcvay and kiper also have jumped the shark. I swear that ranaan comes on here and steals what sy or others say. Carl Banks is the best in the business. Papa pretty good.

Lots of members of the media make it seem like when a player or coach doesn't talk to them that it's doing the fans such a big disservice. They are the voice of the fans...LOL. I could give two fucks if my head coach or my star running back ever talks to the media. I want my head coaches surly and secretive and my players too tired to talk after games and wanting to get home to their families or girlfriends.

It's the "opposite" theory. You know like when a horrendous gambler loves a team you go the other way. That's what the media is like. They are all screaming to replace eli..thats when you know that for now it might be best to sit tight and see if Eli has one more year in him with a real offensive line. Ill admit I am an Eli lover, humble, animalistic worker...so so so tough without being a self proclaimed "tough guy". The 2 Superbowl runs he was magnificent. I love the guy.
Yes...it seems he has even less mobility now and it looks like he may have lost something off his fastball but I am actually willing to give him one more year to disprove that and see if he still "got it". Give me the defensive studs and lets go to battle with our leader one more time. Josh allen or Q at 6 and another defensive stalwart at 17.

I apologize about the long post. I am incredibly excited about tonight.
RE: RE: Make No Mistake  
Nine-Tails : 4/25/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14405002 since1925 said:
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In comment 14404920 Giants38 said:


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They NEED a QB. Whether they get one is another story.



Not for a couple of years. No sense bringing a young guy in to get his brains bashed out. Eli can keep us competitive for a couple of years as we build up the team foe a GOOD young guy. Not just who's available at the time.


Lmao competitive? Like the past 2 years, right?
RE: RE: RE: Eli is 38, what’s to get?  
BlueVinnie : 4/25/2019 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14405131 larryflower37 said:
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Eli is serviceable this year and maybe next. They are not winning anything next year anyway.
Does a QB drafted this year add to your win total?



Huh? You're right. We're not winning this year and if Eli is still the QB, we won't win anything next year. That begs the question, why would you continue to start a 38 year old QB?

In answer to your question, no, a QB drafted this year will not add to our win total this year. However, if you give that QB at least 4 starts at the end of this season, it will most likely increase our win total in 2020 and will certainly give us hope for the future. I'm not talking one of 3rd or 4th round QB specials, I'm talking a guy they believe is a 1st round pick. Personally I think if you take one in the first round this year he should be starting as soon as possible.

Last year they had a chance to draft a QB that was a consensus Top 10 maybe Top 5 player in the draft and passed. Gettleman is on record as saying he believes there are 1st round QBs in this draft. Again, he's on record as saying that. So if he passes again this year, you really have to question what the hell is going on around here.
RE: But they don't need a quarterback, they have there  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/25/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14404932 barens said:
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starting QB for 2019.


The draft isn't about immediate need.
RE: RE: But they don't need a quarterback, they have there  
barens : 4/25/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14405291 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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starting QB for 2019.



The draft isn't about immediate need.


I get it, but my post is about forcing the issue, even if we have other players rated higher. I'm totally fine with trading for Rosen, or taking a QB in the middle rounds, but if their guy isn't their in round 1, a pass rusher is sorely needed, and there happens to be a strong contingent at the top of the draft.
RE: this!  
FranchiseQB : 4/25/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14404927 Platos said:
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everyone i talk to just assumes we HAVE to take a QB. like a new QB is the answer. if that was the case couldn't we just start Tanney or Lauletta?

much bigger holes on this team than Eli.

give him a real line, a running game, and he can show the league how he's the best play action passer there is.


the best play action QB in the league? Maybe if you mean a robot who checks down to his back on 3rd and 14.
RE: RE: But they don't need a quarterback, they have there  
Bill L : 4/25/2019 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14405291 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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starting QB for 2019.



The draft isn't about immediate need.
Well, we actually do have immediate needs. Just not at QB. Better to fill what we really d need. Especially with the fortuitous bonus that our needs match up with the best players versus the modest QBs whereas next year, when we actually do need a QB matches perfectly with the best players. It’s kismet.
Rappoport just mentioned  
JonC : 4/25/2019 4:11 pm : link
Giants possibly trading up from #37 with an eye on Finley as well as Grier, if Jones is gone.
RE: RE: They do need a QB  
GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14405075 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14405023 GothamGiants said:


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but that doesn’t mean you do what stupid teams do and draft for “need”

Best. Player. Available.



BPA never happens. It’s absolute stupid talk. Jonathan Taylor is available next year. There’s a decent chance he could be BPA when we pick. Still going BPA? Just stop. It’s a need based league and a need based draft. Now, we have enough needs that the pick will probably fill a need anyway, but NFL teams simply don’t select BPA.

When the Rangers secured the #2 pick, reporters asked if they would target a position. Gorton said this isn’t the NFL where you target needs. GMs from other leagues see this. Why can’t people on this site?


Chill cranky pants. No, they shouldn’t take a RB when they already have the best RB in the league.

You’re using a quote from a hockey GM as support for this argument? “Just stop.”
RE: Rappoport just mentioned  
GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14405427 JonC said:
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Giants possibly trading up from #37 with an eye on Finley as well as Grier, if Jones is gone.


I’m more concerned with your thoughts than Ian’s ... QB hot takes seem to be all over the place
RE: this!  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/25/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14404927 Platos said:
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give him a real line, a running game, and he can show the league how he's the best play action passer there is.

RE: Rappoport just mentioned  
barens : 4/25/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14405427 JonC said:
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Giants possibly trading up from #37 with an eye on Finley as well as Grier, if Jones is gone.


I'd be happy with that...that said, one of many possibilities that have been mentioned. I do love the mystery of it all.
RE: RE: Rappoport just mentioned  
JonC : 4/25/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14405477 GothamGiants said:
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In comment 14405427 JonC said:


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Giants possibly trading up from #37 with an eye on Finley as well as Grier, if Jones is gone.



I’m more concerned with your thoughts than Ian’s ... QB hot takes seem to be all over the place


I don't see a slam dunk successor in this draft. To me, they're burning resources if they trade up for one, or reach for one, eg, at #6.
99% of the idiotic media takes involve whomever they draft  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/25/2019 4:41 pm : link
as being Eli's superior almost immediately OR Eli as the main reason the Giants were bad last season, as opposed to being the least talented defensive team in the sport.

Draft a QB day 2 or 3, but the idea that the Giants absolutely MUST draft a QB on day 1 is pure media bullshit. And that's coming from someone who would've already dumped Eli. Drafting a guy they don't really believe will be the man at the position for the next decade doesn't help the franchise.
To the OP...just want to confirm your point...  
Jimmy Googs : 4/25/2019 4:42 pm : link
Would it be bad to have Eli as the starting QB in 3 years?
RE: To the OP...just want to confirm your point...  
barens : 4/25/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14405564 Jimmy Googs said:
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Would it be bad to have Eli as the starting QB in 3 years?


Most likely, yes. But I guess for me, I'd rather take that chance, than take a chance on a QB I don't have ranked very high, and not have that work out.
Desparation pick  
micky : 4/25/2019 4:52 pm : link
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RE: RE: To the OP...just want to confirm your point...  
Jimmy Googs : 4/25/2019 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14405573 barens said:
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In comment 14405564 Jimmy Googs said:


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Would it be bad to have Eli as the starting QB in 3 years?



Most likely, yes. But I guess for me, I'd rather take that chance, than take a chance on a QB I don't have ranked very high, and not have that work out.


That must be some ranking system you have if u don't think there could be a QB that we can get our hands that could play better than Eli anytime over the next 3 years...
if there planning on extending eli they should punt the qb until next  
CGiants07 : 4/25/2019 6:22 pm : link
if not we shoulld pick one
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